Toyota has decided to not aggressively develop BEVs because they have calculated that there is not enough electrical generation and distribution capacity anywhere in the world to support any significant percentage of fully electric vehicles.
Look at CA - when it got hot and everyone was running AC full blast, the first thing they did was ask people to not charge their EV's to relive stress on the grid.
If you're in New Orleans, no power for 2-3 weeks. How useful will your EV be?
Smartphones are a prime example of what you're saying. They're a wonderful device for spying on each and every aspect of someone's life. Moreover, people gladly pay almost $1K for the latest devices that have all of the bells and whistles to make spying even easier!
Absolutely. What would be the icing on the cake would be the ability for portable devices to extract the hydrogen fuel from water using a chemical reaction vs. requiring electricity to do the job.
no, its actually BOLT. they made both models, the VOLT is a gas/electric hybrid and is not having the same issues as it has an older, less volatile battery chemistry. It was discontinued around 2018/2019. The BOLT is (was) still in production.
The Volt was well engineered (and not being a big GM fan, it pains me to say that :-) ), but I think they were way too dependent on subsidies to get them sold (of course, that would make it a failure overall).
So, I recently bought a chevy bolt. I keep seeing his misconception all of us buy electric cars b/c we're a bunch of climate hippies bent on "SAviNg tHe pLaNeT"
Pre Biden, I was spending about $200 a month on gas. When the plandemic happened, i was WFH. And I watched the gas prices go up. I knew my $200/month was easily going to be $300 now and then we had that gas shortage that spiked it even more. I wanted an alternate source of fuel in case gas became a huge problem obtaining. So, traded in my gas guzzler for a EV. And now that I've adjusted to driving an EV I can honestly say I'm never going back. I love love love one pedal driving.
ditto, I bought my Tesla not because I was concerned about climate change. I bought it because it was economical long term and it doesn't hurt that the car is a blast to drive and autopilot is a big help in the freeway.
THIS. My place of employment has 2 electric Renault Kangoo, and just driving them has been a lot of pleasure. True the range isn't that great, at about 250km (155 miles), and recharging 120km takes the night on the small charger.
Environment-wise, in France we are mostly powered by nuclear fission with a bit of solar and wind, except where I live, powered by fuel generators and a bit of solar. The benefits of electric cars here is thus reduced, which is why additional solar panels have been installed over the parking of my place of employment, helping charging the cars and making them greener.
Do I want the end of petrol? No. Do I want less CO2 in the oceans? Yes. It follows that the solution lies in recycling CO2, not cutting energy sources.
I'm into EVs since I am an electrical engineering nerd and love the fact that electric motors are kicking off a whole new trend in modding cars to use electric engines :-). I simply want my batteries to use the most horrible, toxic chemicals known to mankind to make up for their cleaner emissions :-) .
The electric vehicle was invented in the 19th century. After all this time it isn't going to be used in mass because there are too many concerns with full on electric vehicles.
A couple months ago I got one of their "magazines" in the mail. in the back were all of the news cars that were going to be offered. I was shocked to see that most of them were electric vehicles. IIRC, only the Malibu was going to have a gasoline engine (as far as cars go.)
I thought at the time that this was a bit of a radical move for them. I don't know too many people who would put up with having to stop and spend hours waiting for a full charge -- especially if they were going somewhere that was at a distance. Not to mention that in my area there is no infrastructure currently for charging them.
I'm overjoyed to see that their wokeness is costing them. Hopefully, they -- and other car manufacturers -- will soon come to their senses.
One thing I've been wondering about: I've been doing some reading on Nikola Tesla's discoveries. As I understand it, he found a way to wirelessly transmit electricity. Is it possible that this could be used to power an electric car? If so, it would seem that you would no longer need a battery, as you could get the current straight out of the air. It would completely solve the problem of these nasty polluting and outright dangerous batteries, while still being able to produce a clean vehicle.
So, couple things, I don't know if Tesla envisioned highways lined with Tesla coils to power cars, but I think Netherlands has a road with induction charging but into the road.
Also, this battery problem is solved with solid state batteries. Graffeine layered matrix batteries work like a super capacitor. Charge very quickly, like 20 mins or less and discharge like a normal battery. The tech still needs some improvement, but its already 80% there and no nasty battery acid.
Yeah I hear you. I mean, budgets, lots more roads in N America compared to Netherlands, and a greater seasonal temperature swing, makes the road heave, at least in Northern states. I imagine budgets are a big factor. Also roads in Europe generally don't have as heavy traffic, including trucks due to better rail infrastructure.
I'm not excusing n America, but these are some valid reasons.
I don't really hate EVs, but I loathe the push to force them onto all of us. Like someone else pointed out, Toyota, the biggest auto maker in the world, has already calculated there's literally not enough electrical output to support a large scale EV takeover.
I DO believe, there is a place for EVs in the future, most in performance and utility applications. For example, Rimac is making amazing EV hyper cars that outperform Bugatti, Koenigsegg, etc. That level of technology and application makes perfect sense, since it's not meant to be a daily driver, but a really fun toy for all intents and purposes.
Another example would be like the new Ford F150 lightning. It's basically a giant mobile generator you can move around a job site, so it make perfect sense from a utility stand point. Most job sites have a central hub they operate from where they could charge such vehicles before sending them out where a power source is needed.
That being said, it's all nice tech anyway. All of this crap about it being "renewable" and "carbon neutral" is going up in smoke, and it'll be put on the backburner in the next decade thanks to VW and Porsche. Most people don't know this, but VW, and Porsche specifically, have been investing billions of dollars over the past decade to create a viable bio fuel alternative. And as of last year, they have a viable alternative that's 95% energy efficient compared to traditional gas/diesel and only costs 5-10% more to make.
I'm not the biggest science nerd, but from my understanding, it's made by condensing carbon dioxide, either from the atmosphere or directly from emissions from power plants, into a liquid form that can then be refined into a crude oil substitute.
So as a said, this EV still is probably going to be relegated to a niche industry in the next 10 years, and we'll see an explosion in the biofuel industry. Probably going to see an increase in infrastructure as well. I'm imagining massive commercial faming towers the size of skyscrapers that have multiple levels of "fields" that only grow trash organic products solely to burn for fuel production.
I think the plug in hybrids are the way to go for most people. They tend to have about 30 miles of all electric range and also have a big enough fuel tank for the ICE for panic-free highway travel.
Most car related environmental issues are due to traffic congestion. If these dipshits had any genuine environmental concerns, they'd be pushing PHEVs as a viable solution. They don't want solutions though. Most of these greenies hate PHEVs since they still use gas engines.
There are other technologies that can reduce the emissions of gas engines to even lower numbers. Variable valve timing is one of them. A couple of companies out there have had some success using pneumatic solenoids to control valves (you can do all sorts of really neat shit with that tech ... like virtually shut down some cylinders if the demand for additional power isn't there ... MPGs go thru the roof :-) ), but it's still not reliable enough to go into mass production ... yet. Hyundai has recently engineered a mechanical variable valve timing solution that looks really cool ... I believe that has entered production already. Their solution is really elegant and it doesn't look like something that will be prone to failure.
Just imagine the money that local farmers could make by growing soybean or other crops to power cars, the demand and lack of production would make that very lucrative.
Chevy’s truck platform was great right up until 2004 and the changed to shity Chinese made engines and crappy electronic interface and they outsourced almost all production to Mexico. That being said, I would never buy another new current day vehicle - I would lease one - it’s impossible to buy and drive modern cars into the ground. If you bought any car today and tried to hold it for 20 plus years it would be almost impossible to maintain, that and by years 8-10 that’s when the electronics start acting up and start to become obsolete.
I was gonna buy an electric car but they charge too much.
😜
Grade A dad-joke right there.
Hah, this guy here.
Toyota has decided to not aggressively develop BEVs because they have calculated that there is not enough electrical generation and distribution capacity anywhere in the world to support any significant percentage of fully electric vehicles.
Look at CA - when it got hot and everyone was running AC full blast, the first thing they did was ask people to not charge their EV's to relive stress on the grid.
If you're in New Orleans, no power for 2-3 weeks. How useful will your EV be?
They are working on the hydrogen cell.
Although I would love to see practical hydrogen cell technology, "they" have been working on it for decades without real success.
Smartphones are a prime example of what you're saying. They're a wonderful device for spying on each and every aspect of someone's life. Moreover, people gladly pay almost $1K for the latest devices that have all of the bells and whistles to make spying even easier!
Hyundai Nexo was a hydrogen cell car, but only was produced for 2 years and is found only in CA and AZ.
I knew someone who had one as part of a testing program. Seemed to work OK and they really liked it but eventually had to return the vehicle.
Makes more sense though than electric connected to the grid.
Absolutely. What would be the icing on the cake would be the ability for portable devices to extract the hydrogen fuel from water using a chemical reaction vs. requiring electricity to do the job.
There is no shortage of hydrogen on the planet!
That's the Chevy VOLT, not "Bolt".
It will go down in the annals of history as being the "Ford Pinto" of the new age.
no, its actually BOLT. they made both models, the VOLT is a gas/electric hybrid and is not having the same issues as it has an older, less volatile battery chemistry. It was discontinued around 2018/2019. The BOLT is (was) still in production.
Chevy DOLT
Both cars were failures. I can see how it's easy to get them mixed up.
I had two Volts, a 14 and 17, they are great cars.
Fair enough. I never had so I was talking out my ass based only on them being GM vehicles.
The Volt was well engineered (and not being a big GM fan, it pains me to say that :-) ), but I think they were way too dependent on subsidies to get them sold (of course, that would make it a failure overall).
That's some fantastic marketing, right there. Brand confusion that could be mistaken for a typo.
LOL!
So, I recently bought a chevy bolt. I keep seeing his misconception all of us buy electric cars b/c we're a bunch of climate hippies bent on "SAviNg tHe pLaNeT"
Pre Biden, I was spending about $200 a month on gas. When the plandemic happened, i was WFH. And I watched the gas prices go up. I knew my $200/month was easily going to be $300 now and then we had that gas shortage that spiked it even more. I wanted an alternate source of fuel in case gas became a huge problem obtaining. So, traded in my gas guzzler for a EV. And now that I've adjusted to driving an EV I can honestly say I'm never going back. I love love love one pedal driving.
ditto, I bought my Tesla not because I was concerned about climate change. I bought it because it was economical long term and it doesn't hurt that the car is a blast to drive and autopilot is a big help in the freeway.
THIS. My place of employment has 2 electric Renault Kangoo, and just driving them has been a lot of pleasure. True the range isn't that great, at about 250km (155 miles), and recharging 120km takes the night on the small charger.
Environment-wise, in France we are mostly powered by nuclear fission with a bit of solar and wind, except where I live, powered by fuel generators and a bit of solar. The benefits of electric cars here is thus reduced, which is why additional solar panels have been installed over the parking of my place of employment, helping charging the cars and making them greener.
Do I want the end of petrol? No. Do I want less CO2 in the oceans? Yes. It follows that the solution lies in recycling CO2, not cutting energy sources.
I'm into EVs since I am an electrical engineering nerd and love the fact that electric motors are kicking off a whole new trend in modding cars to use electric engines :-). I simply want my batteries to use the most horrible, toxic chemicals known to mankind to make up for their cleaner emissions :-) .
Diesel generators are essential for electric cars.
The electric vehicle was invented in the 19th century. After all this time it isn't going to be used in mass because there are too many concerns with full on electric vehicles.
A couple months ago I got one of their "magazines" in the mail. in the back were all of the news cars that were going to be offered. I was shocked to see that most of them were electric vehicles. IIRC, only the Malibu was going to have a gasoline engine (as far as cars go.)
I thought at the time that this was a bit of a radical move for them. I don't know too many people who would put up with having to stop and spend hours waiting for a full charge -- especially if they were going somewhere that was at a distance. Not to mention that in my area there is no infrastructure currently for charging them.
I'm overjoyed to see that their wokeness is costing them. Hopefully, they -- and other car manufacturers -- will soon come to their senses.
One thing I've been wondering about: I've been doing some reading on Nikola Tesla's discoveries. As I understand it, he found a way to wirelessly transmit electricity. Is it possible that this could be used to power an electric car? If so, it would seem that you would no longer need a battery, as you could get the current straight out of the air. It would completely solve the problem of these nasty polluting and outright dangerous batteries, while still being able to produce a clean vehicle.
So, couple things, I don't know if Tesla envisioned highways lined with Tesla coils to power cars, but I think Netherlands has a road with induction charging but into the road.
Also, this battery problem is solved with solid state batteries. Graffeine layered matrix batteries work like a super capacitor. Charge very quickly, like 20 mins or less and discharge like a normal battery. The tech still needs some improvement, but its already 80% there and no nasty battery acid.
" I think Netherlands has a road with induction charging built into the road."
And, yet, we can't seem to build a road that doesn't become pothole-ridden in just a couple of years and requires constant patching and repaving.
Yeah I hear you. I mean, budgets, lots more roads in N America compared to Netherlands, and a greater seasonal temperature swing, makes the road heave, at least in Northern states. I imagine budgets are a big factor. Also roads in Europe generally don't have as heavy traffic, including trucks due to better rail infrastructure.
I'm not excusing n America, but these are some valid reasons.
Maybe if we stopped sending money to fund transgender research in Pakistan we’d have money for roads.
What an amazing and novel idea! I completely agree!
mass production is the major problem with graphene battery tech.
Yes it is.... hopefully sometime in the near future it won't be.
If Tesla's discovery worked there would be so many benefits. We'll have to wait and see.
Agreed. Just cutting the electric cord alone would change the world in a major way.
I don't really hate EVs, but I loathe the push to force them onto all of us. Like someone else pointed out, Toyota, the biggest auto maker in the world, has already calculated there's literally not enough electrical output to support a large scale EV takeover.
I DO believe, there is a place for EVs in the future, most in performance and utility applications. For example, Rimac is making amazing EV hyper cars that outperform Bugatti, Koenigsegg, etc. That level of technology and application makes perfect sense, since it's not meant to be a daily driver, but a really fun toy for all intents and purposes.
Another example would be like the new Ford F150 lightning. It's basically a giant mobile generator you can move around a job site, so it make perfect sense from a utility stand point. Most job sites have a central hub they operate from where they could charge such vehicles before sending them out where a power source is needed.
That being said, it's all nice tech anyway. All of this crap about it being "renewable" and "carbon neutral" is going up in smoke, and it'll be put on the backburner in the next decade thanks to VW and Porsche. Most people don't know this, but VW, and Porsche specifically, have been investing billions of dollars over the past decade to create a viable bio fuel alternative. And as of last year, they have a viable alternative that's 95% energy efficient compared to traditional gas/diesel and only costs 5-10% more to make.
I'm not the biggest science nerd, but from my understanding, it's made by condensing carbon dioxide, either from the atmosphere or directly from emissions from power plants, into a liquid form that can then be refined into a crude oil substitute.
So as a said, this EV still is probably going to be relegated to a niche industry in the next 10 years, and we'll see an explosion in the biofuel industry. Probably going to see an increase in infrastructure as well. I'm imagining massive commercial faming towers the size of skyscrapers that have multiple levels of "fields" that only grow trash organic products solely to burn for fuel production.
I think the plug in hybrids are the way to go for most people. They tend to have about 30 miles of all electric range and also have a big enough fuel tank for the ICE for panic-free highway travel.
Most car related environmental issues are due to traffic congestion. If these dipshits had any genuine environmental concerns, they'd be pushing PHEVs as a viable solution. They don't want solutions though. Most of these greenies hate PHEVs since they still use gas engines.
There are other technologies that can reduce the emissions of gas engines to even lower numbers. Variable valve timing is one of them. A couple of companies out there have had some success using pneumatic solenoids to control valves (you can do all sorts of really neat shit with that tech ... like virtually shut down some cylinders if the demand for additional power isn't there ... MPGs go thru the roof :-) ), but it's still not reliable enough to go into mass production ... yet. Hyundai has recently engineered a mechanical variable valve timing solution that looks really cool ... I believe that has entered production already. Their solution is really elegant and it doesn't look like something that will be prone to failure.
Just imagine the money that local farmers could make by growing soybean or other crops to power cars, the demand and lack of production would make that very lucrative.
If we don't get saved from the Globalist Reset, I don't think many will be able to travel far - if at all.
RIP Camaro
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-gm-chevy-volt-fire-risk-battery-20210821-cdx767ceundzphbmvqnqbsmk5q-story.html
Chevy can't make shit, and haven't since the mid 90s. Buy a Toyota
Chevy’s truck platform was great right up until 2004 and the changed to shity Chinese made engines and crappy electronic interface and they outsourced almost all production to Mexico. That being said, I would never buy another new current day vehicle - I would lease one - it’s impossible to buy and drive modern cars into the ground. If you bought any car today and tried to hold it for 20 plus years it would be almost impossible to maintain, that and by years 8-10 that’s when the electronics start acting up and start to become obsolete.
Because of bad press they will no longer call the car "The Bolt". The new name is, "The Screw".
L.O.L.!!!!!!!
Well damn, that can't be good for the environment.
Can we all take a stab at where the battery's are made? Yes, exactly where you're thinking.
Which is why they are cr@p
Another bail out on the way?
They stopped making the Volt in 2019.