A reasonable, responsible government that actually cared about people's lives would not be screaming "HORSE DEWORMER, HORSE DEWORMER!"
A reasonable, responsible government would be saying exactly this:
"Even though ivermectin has not been approved by the FDA to treat covid-19, there is still some evidence to suggest it can help reduce the severity and duration of illness. If you attempt to use Ivermectin formulated for large farm animals, make sure to reduce the dosage accordingly to adjust for human body weight so you do do not overdose on medication."
But no, they started screaming, "HORSE DEWORMER!!!"
I hate these people.
OP is on point. People would not be attempting to self medicate if the FDA, CDC, and the AMA weren’t playing this game. Instead they choose to stick with the definition of insanity and continue to do the same thing over and over again with the same results.
These organizations are not accustomed to being questioned and certainly not to people using facts and data to push back on them. But always remember it took President Trump to force them to accept compassionate use for terminally ill patients. Withholding potentially lifesaving medications from dying people is not a new thing for them.
The drug use that the "drug war" is coming after would have minimal casualties if it weren't for prohibition.
Walter White quality cocaine isn't killing people. Being cut with shit like fentanyl is killing people. Gangsters are killing people.
Yeah. I just saw yesterday that the AMA has moved to ban it. Unless you're an Afghan "refugee"........
pure evil. and it says it all about what they want for all of us. it's disheartening to see so many people still believing them when we are trying to tell people. my mom just laughs when i talk about ivermectin or doesn't respond lol. they just cannot believe the govt actually wants to hurt us and deprive us.
Get the word out that horse paste more than doubles the size of a mans erection and we can end this pandemic in a week.
We'll get legit OD's for it from the micropenis crowd though :/
So...win win!
Also if all this was about health, they would be educating the public about boosting their immune systems with simple C, D, zinc and quercetin.
FYI - I KNOW I am over the target because the Reddit Qult Mods are showing up in person to try and heckle me. They're sending out their elite tactical shill brigade for this one. LOL
Psh, that's flattering of you to say, but no. You just are talking about something I have quite a bit of experience in understanding. I'm not heckling you by discussing the topic you posted to a board on the open internet just because I disagree with you.
You have experience in ivermectin?
What's your take on the Japanese Medical Association recommending it for patients?
What's your take on India getting Covid-19 epidemic under control with ivermectin?
I do not have direct experience with ivermectin.
I do have experience researching chemical MSDS sheets and understanding the many complexities that go into how and why certain medications are approved or not.
I am staunchly against big pharma for many reasons, and have been fighting with them for longer than Q has even existed, but I do not see taking the route of using livestock medication to be a particularly well-thought-out strategy for fighting them.
The Japan thing was the chairperson recommending ivermectin back in February, and he did not set it as policy. Months later (today), ivermectin is still not approved in Japan, as far as I can tell.
India is very much still struggling with COVID-19, but has over 150,000,000 people vaccinated currently, and is developing brand new DNA vaccines to use. I'm not entirely sure what your source is, but I also doubt you'd believe mine, so we might be stuck there.
In many countries hydrochloroquine and ivermectin are OTC. The vaccines maim and are more costly-a win win as far as the evil groups and people are concerned. They don’t care if you live a life of endless medical issues or die. Hopefully Bill and Melinda Gates, Fauci, Soros, Klaus Schwab, Rockefeller’s, Rothchild, and all their off spring gets what is coming to them. Throw in the FDA, CDC, NIH, WHO, CCP, NSA, CIA, IRS, and others.
Spot on.
That is great news if you think about it.
That $6 tube of ivermectin is meant for 1,200 pound horse. That’s 6X 200 pound men or 12x 100 pound women’s worth of paste in one tube.
Price has quadrupled since word got out....
I have five friends and family that tested positive for Covid and started immediately on Ivermectin, one had a compromised immune system, and yet all five fully recovered in three to five days.
Everyone please quit using the "concentrated" language. It is a talking point of the globalist. It is no more concentrated for a horse than you. It is taken by weight. You are furthering their op by saying it.
This right here. Stop using the fucking BS buzzwords meant to sensationalize.
Horses are different from people. One animal has a larger brain and one has a larger body. Go to AmericasFrontlineDoctors. It costs more to get the human ivermectin, but you talk to a Dr. who is against the FDA, CDC, WHO agenda. They'll discuss your specific treatment options taking into consideration your specific condition. It costs more, but these aren't skilttles. I called them and got the Azithromycin, HCQ, Ivermectin in the spring. I've since got the Zelenko protocol Quercetin, Vitamin D3 and zinc, and vitamin C. I know it's for the flu, but I can use this stuff for family if they get sick. And it's starting to look like the HCQ and quercetin have other benefits, besides fighting the flu or a cold. If you can't afford the AFD drugs, follow the Zelenko protocol.
How bouts they just prescribe the pill and leave the guesswork out of it
Or, I know it sounds crazy, encourage doctors to prescribe it and require pharmacies to fill it
This should be their advice on horse ivermectin:
Take just a small pea-sized amount of the greasy green gunk. Take it early.
Or just allow doctors to prescribe the human version.
Wouldn't Trump's "Right to try" cover this??
Great point in the headline.
Unfortunately, pure dosage is not the only issue.
Ivermectin is not sold over-the-counter for people for a reason. One of the big reasons is that it can interact with other medications (like blood thinners) to create serious problems. Also, it can make breathing problems like asthma worse. Which is why they want doctors to be the ones prescribing it, so they can ensure that side effects and potential interactions with meds, foods, and lifestyle can be monitored safely.
And as I've mentioned before, ivermectin is not the only ingredient in any livestock dewormer. Those pastes are mixed with plenty of ingredients that are inactive in HORSES, but have not been tested for safety in people. Because they never thought people were actually going to take it.
This is different than "human" ivermectin, which is compiled only with ingredients that have been tested and confirmed safe in people. And under MUCH tighter chemical control.
What you decide to put into your body is your choice. But please don't believe that some back-of-the-napkin body weight math is all it takes to beat the system.
Unless you know how to chemically, precisely extract ivermectin from the horse paste into a known, pure concentration (I do not), then you're taking ivermectin PLUS some mystery assortment of chemicals that nobody has bothered to evaluate in people for health effects.
https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ivermectin-Paste_Bimeda_112015_SDS.pdf
Checkmate. This is the MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET for Ivermectin paste. The Material Safety Data Sheet outlines safety hazards around ingestion of a substance, and must include safety hazards for humans associated with all sources, not just for horses.
It lists some proprietary ingredients, and EXPLICITLY STATES they are not classified as dangerous.
That is a dangerous, bullshit, red-herring, gaslighting argument. You have been debunked.
It should be ashamed of itself for supporting the cabal vax control mechanism.
It's just performing it's function. If it didn't it would be replaced by another. Shills have to shill.
I'm actually impressed that you pulled out the MSDS for this. I have a lot of experience reading these.
Can you tell me exactly which part you say, "EXPLICITLY STATES" that these proprietary ingredients are not classified as dangerous?
Section 2.1 is the part that talks about hazards, and it pretty clearly states that there are hazards involved with taking this. Which is why it gets the H203 classification.
3.2 talks about the proprietary ingredients, and states they're not classified. If they were confirmed not to be dangerous, they would be classified. Not being classified means it wasn't tested.
Which isn't uncommon in inactive ingredients in medications not designed for humans. Because they aren't going to risk testing things in people that they don't reasonably expect people to eat.
That is per 1910.1200 a5.iii, which discusses chemicals they don't need to label.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/1910.1200
If they WERE dangerous, they'd be a real big hurry to classify them. Since they are not dangerous, they couldn't be bothered to. That's the way it works. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, man.
If they CARED if it was dangerous for people, then it would be tested and classified. If they expect people to eat it, they will classify it. No question. End of story. Even if they believed it was safe.
Even water has an MSDS sheet, and we literally die without it. It's classified because people will consume it.
https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/00199.htm
They do not care about classifying everything in horse medication, because they didn't expect people to eat horse medication.
There is no hurry or requirement that they test proprietary chemicals designed for and tested for horses if it's exclusively being used in a medication not designed for people.
Testing chemicals on people requires people volunteers. If there is no reasonable expectation that people will be consuming a chemical, they not only WON'T test it on people, but they wouldn't even get approval from the ethics board to do so.
Human testing requires ENORMOUS justification. Legally, ethically, and scientifically.
The fact that you're choosing to eat this stuff does not mean they were expected to predict that people would be eating this stuff. There's not an MSDS for some of the stuff in Tide Pods, either.
They're obligated to care if it's dangerous to people. PEOPLE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS STUFF WHEN THEY ARE MAKING IT.
THATS WHAT THE MSDS IS FOR LMFAO.
Your logic is so ass backwards.
People aren't required to eat this when they're handling it...
That reasoning is specifically why I do not believe there is any hazard of accidentally ingesting the filler ingredients in small amounts. Because there would be a warning to the employees that work with it if there was.
But they're generally going to be required (either by regulators or insurance companies) to have warnings and instructions about what happens if you accidentally do end up doing it, because these company's legal departments typically go to great lengths to cover their ass in the event of any sort of liability, even if it's unrealistic or potentially laughable that people might ingest it in such a way.
That's why they included toxicity information for the ivermectin in the same document. In case it's accidentally ingested or an employee is accidentally exposed to some quantity of it while producing it.
Have you ever dewormed a horse? It’s much more of a contact sport than you’d believe. Deworming generally happens every 6-8 weeks for the whole barn at the same time. I guarantee you if I deworm 25 horses, at least 5 of them are slinging that paste directly at my face….
This explains how Corminaty was approved by the FDA without these tests.
Okay, so then they put out a disclaimer telling you what medications you can't take with ivermectin.
And most of the filler ingredients are just that, filler ingredients. You know, to give the paste its consistency or give it apple flavor. These aren't totally crazy untested drugs that are generally put in there.
As I've mentioned before, a "filler" ingredient for a horse is not necessarily inactive in a human.
Example: theobromine. It's in chocolate.
It's not an active ingredient in humans. We eat it, we metabolize it, and it passes through with no interesting effects.
You give it to a dog, and it will kill them, because they cannot metabolize it. Because their body chemistry is different.
Theobromine is inactive in humans and in products that humans eat without us even noticing.
Theobromine is active in dogs, and therefore, would be listed as being present in ANYTHING that is marketed around pet supplies.
"Filler" that has been tested as boring, inactive ingredient in a horse, but has NOT been tested in a human, CANNOT then logically be said to be inactive in a human.
Because it hasn't been tested.
You guys want years and years of more tests for the vaccine before you'd consider it even remotely safe or worthy of FDA approval. This shouldn't be a particularly difficult point for me to make regarding unknown potentially active, untested ingredients in horse medication, but again, it's your choice on what risks you choose to take.
Trying to equate theobromine with filler materials used to make the substance into a paste, or apple flavoring, is laughable and just makes you look stupid.
There's no mystery substance in there that's going to kill humans dead, and you just look like an idiot for gaslighting us.
Then you must work for the horse dewormer companies and could potentially identify the chemical components of the proprietary substances listed on your MSDS that were not tested nor classified.
If you can provide me with the chemical formulae of those substances, I can run a secondary MSDS check on them and tell you what I come up with. I have some time today.
No, it's just that there's no logical reason to believe there would be anything other than a paste of some kind, which is probably made out of food grade ingredients, which renders the consistency they want it to be, and some flavoring, which is probably also food grade.
There's no logical reason to expect any other "mystery" ingredients there that will be highly toxic to humans, and I disagree that chocolate is a good example. Food grade pastes are common in pharmaceuticals and food, and there's no logical reason to expect why one food grade paste filler material would be toxic to humans and unsafe to use.
You're putting up some air of mystery around it that is unwarranted and unreasonable and it just kind of makes you look stupid. You're like the the Wizard in Oz putting up this big show but behind the curtain there isn't a goddamn thing.
I'll bet you anything the paste they use to thicken it is mostly freaking cornstarch. Lmfao
What you believe to be a logical assumption is not really an argument when it comes to things like this.
You believe that there's no logical reason that this paste would be harmful to humans.
The people who made this saw no logical reason to test this paste on people, to care what sort of ingredients might be harmful to humans, and so forth.
Also, "highly toxic" is a matter of dosage, and since you don't know the dosage of the other ingredients in the paste that may be potentially active in humans, you have no way to determine whether or not you're ingesting a potentially toxic dose of a "low" toxicity proprietary ingredient that, again, has never been tested in humans.
At the end of the day, I don't tend to put things into my body that don't even have a complete MSDS sheet filled out on them.
You will put such things into your body.
That's just a difference between us. And you can disagree with me about our willingness to risk it, but I think people should have an informed consent, and while you are consenting, it's impossible for you to be informed when the information needed for you to consent doesn't even exist.
As proven by the MSDS sheet that YOU provided to this conversation.
But we're going in circles. Like I said, take the risk if you wish. Just trying to make sure people are getting the full information about the risk they're taking before they decide whether or not it's worth it.
And if you're asking me whether or not I'd bet my life on that logic, you can be DAMN SURE I WOULD.
And also, if the substance WERE extremely dangerous, you can bet your ass they'd be in a real big hurry to classify it. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. If it's not poisoning anyone, they won't bother to classify it because there's no need.
This practice was born out of desperation. People have seen multiple doctors praising the effects of Ivermectin in relation to covid, touting their great success and cure rates for the virus. A virus that people have been led to believe could wipe out a huge percentage of humanity. They've also seen far more doctors and pharmacists, vilifying it, refusing to prescribe it or even to fill a duly authorized prescription. Because of this, the desperate have turned to the now infamous 'horse de-wormer.' The OP is correct. If the media and government hadn't scoffed at and created so much derision for the 'miracle drug,' then perhaps doctors wouldn't be terrified of losing everything by prescribing it and this whole situation would never have arisen.
I'm not endorsing or contesting any of that. You can choose to take a risk if you want.
I'm just trying to lay out clearly what that risk is.
People here deride the vaccine because they believe that they don't know everything that's in it, and that any official ingredient lists are lies. Or that the ingredients we are aware of are more dangerous than are being revealed. And so forth.
With "horse dewormer", we don't even know WHAT those ingredients will do in people. We know it doesn't hurt horses. That's it.
But horses have a very different metabolism and body chemistry than we do. So it's a risk.
Maybe you'll be fine. Hopefully you'll be fine. But people deserve to be informed about the risks they're taking by taking medication mixed for horses, even if they're insistent that the vaccine is a greater risk.
ESPECIALLY if they're on any other medications right now, because nothing fucks people up out of nowhere like an unexpected medication interaction.
I'm 100% okay with using the metric of "it's safe for a horse to eat" as a judge of whether or not it's safe for me to eat. The chances of me having a horrible fatal reaction to some filler materials and flavoring (which is probably food grade flavoring, anyway), is miniscule as long as the dosage is correct.
You trust your math a lot more than I do. I have a background in chemistry, and there is no way in hell I'd trust myself to do the kind of chemical mathematics that you're attempting, even with my background in the field. But I'm not the one who is carrying your risk.
Joe Rogan purchased ivermectin pills made for humans.
Your argument is moot.
I didn't bring up Joe Rogan, but if he took pills designed for people, then most of my worries about this dissolve. At least those medications only contain stuff tested for and mixed for people.
And if it came from a doctor, then Rogan ostensibly has been cleared medically for these pills by people who know what to look for as far as side effects and interactions.
I don't have a problem with people taking Ivermectin. I worry about people who try to do a complex pharmacological calculation with no real training or expertise in order to take a "safe" amount of ivermectin from a formula that was never intended for human consumption in the first place and contains definitionally confounding variables.
As I've said, I have done these type of calculations before, and they are WAY more complicated than simply dividing by body weight or something. Chemistry is a fickle bitch, and even when you do it perfectly, entropy will work against you.
It just so happens the CDC recommends a 200µg/kg (0.2mg/kg) dose for humans using it to fight a scabies infections.
https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/scabies/health_professionals/meds.html
The Durvet Ivermectin horse paste is at 1.87% concentration and contains 6.08 grams, which means each tube contains .11 grams of Ivermectin. Convert that to mg and you get 110mg.
Since a kg is 2.2 lbs, you can divide .2mg by 2.2 and you'll get 0.09 mg/lb .
If you weigh 180 lbs., that works out to a 16.2 mg dose (multiply 180 by .09), so roughly 6.79 doses in a tube of horse paste.
If you weigh 250 lbs, it works out to a 22.5 mg dose or roughly 4.888 doses in a tube.
It appears the dosage for humans per pound is virtually identical to what's given to horses as there's 5 large notches on the tube labeled 250, 500, 750, 1000, 1250.
There was nothing particularly hard about that calculation and I only took chemistry in high school.
Personally, I'm not taking horse paste and would get it prescribed by a doctor if I really wanted it.
I have horses. I also have Durvet 1.87% ivermectin on hand. The box lists only the ivermectin and no other ingredients. Are you saying they're lying to me about what I'm giving my horses?
Looking at a label for one of these boxes right now online. Tell me, does it say, "All ingredients" or "active ingredients"?
Because the one I'm looking at only lists on the box the ACTIVE ingredient.
And you can only label an ingredient as active or inactive for the exact animal species its tested for. Inactive ingredients are rarely listed on animal medication.
An ingredient that is inactive in a horse is not necessarily inactive in a human.
Think about this: a dog cannot eat chocolate. Why not?
It contains theobromine.
In humans, this is an inactive ingredient. We can metabolize it just fine and it does nothing interesting.
Dogs cannot metabolize it. Its an ACTIVE ingredient for them. Which is why it can make them sick or kill them.
Since the box I'm looking at is only listing the ACTIVE ingredient for the horse (the ivermectin) and not the INACTIVE ingredients for the horse, then you can't be sure that any ingredient that is considered inactive in a horse (and therefore not worth listing on the box) is not ACTIVE in a human being.
Because it hasn't been tested in people for activity.
Does that make sense?
Have you looked at the ingredients in vaccines? Many if not all of them include aluminum, formaldehyde and thimerosal, and who in their right mind would want to put that crap in their bodies? You're telling me that the horse de-wormer may be tainted, and I'm telling you that at least some Big Pharma products, by the very ingredients listed, ARE tainted. Additionally, many Big Pharma products, by their own admission, can induce a whole host of unpleasant side effects, including death. IMO, all of this pretty much puts the lie to what Big Pharma's testing for human consumption is all about.
I took an entire tube of horse de-wormer over the course of a couple weeks for a suspected parasite infestation. I'm not dead and the only 'side-effect' I've noticed is that my energy level, which had been depleted for the past year, returned to normal (parasites deplete energy). I also know a lot of other people that have taken the horse de-wormer. They aren't dead, they no longer have the virus they took it for, and they report no ill effects.
I'm glad to hear that you're okay.
And on the converse, I was vaccinated with two shots of Pfizer back in January, along with all of my coworkers, and none of us have had any side effects or medical problems despite being among the first people in the country to be vaccinated.
But the plural of anecdotes is not data. Not for me, not for you.
The stuff included in the vaccines is not anecdotal. And all testing data of pharmaceutical products is anecdotal until enough outcomes are compiled to call the results data.
Hope you remain healthy, even through virus season this fall. Or maybe all you got was the saline solution.
If I got the saline solution, I'm due an enormous payday from the White Hats when I bring out my contract and show that they injected me with a chemical that was not what I legally agreed to.
Doesn't really matter who did the injecting, or what they injected me with, or what their motivation was, or how safe the injected chemical was. It's a pretty significant crime, and I suppose my life post Great Awakening is going to be one of wealth and luxury at the expense of the White Hat coffers. So now I can REALLY look forward to the Plan.
I will likely be getting the booster when it's available to me, so I am an excellent test subject for you guys to keep an eye on. I have promised to update you if I get any sort of medical problems as a result of my reckless impulsivity toward vaccination, and I will keep that promise. Stay well.
The White Hats may owe you nothing. I've read and heard from multiple sources that the clinical trial continues, only now in a much bigger population than historically done. Clinical trials require a control group, in which case the saline solutions are being distributed by the whomever is controlling the clinical trials, which I assume is Pfizer, Moderna, Astra-Zeneca and J&J.
I hope you fare well.
Mostly bullshit.