When a person's 'sign of life' quits.....it's because of one of the following reason:
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They suffered from natural causes and no longer had the ability to continue surviving in their aged body.
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Because of some medical reason in which they couldn't overcome.
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Murder.
There's nothing natural about removing parts of a baby out of a woman and therefore killing it. There's nothing medical about removing parts of a baby out of a woman and therefore killing it. There is, however, something called murder when you end a person/baby's 'sign of life', by removing their body parts and therefore killing it.
It doesn't take intelligence to figure this out. Just morals. We unfortunately lack a massive amount of both nowadays.
In the words of Tom Macdonald:
"Bacteria is life on Mars but a heartbeat isn't life on Earth? Weird."
Ha! Beat me to it! Memo to myself: check the comments below before you write!
The only women who opposed TX abortion laws are WHORES
It is a way for women who get abortions to cope with what they know internally is wrong
Unfortunately this dialogue and line of reasoning has been used as amplification to the point of extreme noise.
In a society of grounded morals and sound reasoning this discussion can actually occur, but this is hardly the case.
The main issue is the minds that want abortion have already made up their mind, to them that goal is immovable. So then, the process of subversion is the ammo that is used.
The playbook is to turn attention and focus on the extremes, why? Because the extremes is where the ambiguity is most pronounced and emotion reign supreme. So if you’re debating against each other from each extreme… then it’s easier to divide. The only way to counter act the extreme is to meet it with an equal and opposite force…
Dark v Light
Good v Evil
Life v Death
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The next step is to then sow confusion by inserting fallacy and relativism in the argument.
For us who are grounded on Christian morals, the foundation is strong and many miles deep.. the immovable object. But if your foundation is free-moving, doesn’t this appeal to those who see it as progression, ‘keeping up with the times?’, of ‘open-ness’, etc?
True progress is building on-top of a strong foundation.
False progress seek to create NEW foundations… which is far easier to do.
A battle as old as when the first of us walked in the garden.
Ah the ol' rape pregnency argument. This is such an extreme outlier it's statistically insignificant. However, most pro lifers would agree this is one of the only two reasons abortion is justified. The other being if the mothers life is in jeapordy. Again, a very rare outlier.
What an evil little weasel phrase that is: "pro-choice". Like all the evils the Left push, it makes it sound so progressive and liberating.
Very well stated!
Just because a fetus doesn't have a detectable heartbeat at less than 6 weeks doesn't mean that it wouldn't if left to develop. I'm pretty sure God would say that life begins at conception. I hope to get to ask Him someday.
100% agreed on conception, the creation of a unique set of DNA, is when life begins.
I disagree with the use of the word fetus. It's doublespeak used by the indoctrinated to dehumanize the baby.
I agree with your feeling that the word fetus is dehumanizing to a developing baby. I used it in this instance to distinguish between a growing embryo and a fully formed birthed baby.
A drop of water on Mars is life; a fetus in its mother's womb isn't. Evil leftwing logic.
Aren't we all - us, plants, animals - here because a couple of cells did their thing?
Was it not life until humans came around and named it? What a silly way to think.
I'm adopted so I'm obviously, horribly biased on abortion lol. I mean, product of rape I can see it. If you KNOW the baby is going to severely handicapped - that's a life of hell - I can see it.
Can't really tell about the latter though, until well into the pregnancy so, that would negate me "seeing it" in the end.
Totally open door here : My ex, I probably should've married. Drop dead gorgeous, good heart, never got upset, was big time in love with me, would've given me anything / done anything. She told me about 4 months before I ended it that she had two abortions with her ex. We live in New Brunswick, so they drove down to Maine to have them done.
Why would you tell that to someone YOU KNOW is adopted that you are supposedly in love with? She was, and still is, a good person. I just couldn't get past it.
Rape is a significantly low percent reported for abortion, 1-2 percent. You can't justifythe other 98 percent on that alone.
RIght. re read my comment lol
"Can't really tell about the latter though, until well into the pregnancy so, that would negate me "seeing it" in the end."
She probably told you because she felt guilty
Maybe, she honestly wasn't really the sharpest tool in the shed ; a little ditzy if I'm being honest. One of those types who sometimes doesn't clue in they've just made a fairly large faux pas. I think she totally clued out / forgot I was adopted lol.
Damn. Probably should have stayed. The abortions are obviously major baggage that will haunt her forever, a horrible mistake women are too-often tricked into by way of too many people OK'ing the decision.
I had this part originally, but I took it out :
She's married to a non cucked military guy. He's a good guy. They have two beautiful kids. We are still in contact. I've been lucky that all my exes and I are still on pretty good terms.
She's happy and has a good life. I DO wonder, a lot, if she ever thinks about her past when she looks at her kids.
When I collapsed and died from anaphylaxis, they had stuck those paddle stickers on me. Even though I was not producing a heartbeat, they did not press the button to jolt my heart, because there was a sign of electricity. The heart restarted on its own.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but I think that lowers the threshold to even less than a heartbeat as a sign of life.
Gotta pick a bone here. No heartbeat does not mean dead. That is why we have CPR.
You have to meet criteria to be "dead". Normally it means irreversible damage to brain function causing no consciousness or irreversible loss of respiratory or circulatory function.
Other wise, good post!
So well written. When was this any less true?
Thank you for this , I’ve never heard this analogy , God Bless our children both born and unborn ! That pig murderer Killery came out screaming that she will do what it takes to stop the Texas law , my God when will this end ! Not that that pig can do anything !
Abortion is a distraction. Signal, focus on the signal, how many times has Bannon said that?
You add proteins and a regeant to animal derived stem cells, you can have beating heart cells in a petri dish. It's not "life", it is a science experiment a college student can replicate.
Social piety does not excuse forcing any belief on an entire population. The audacity of man to say "I know God thinks life begins at conception" and "abortion is the same as murdering a 5 year old" is mind boggling.
We are the ONLY species that self polices reproduction. Higher domain mammals with no sin infanticide with no hesitation if there's no viability. The mother itself decides it if the environment and resources are not sufficient and the offspring has no chance at survival.
Am I suggesting post term abortions should be legalized? No. Not at all. There's adoption wait lists a mile long, any near full term or post full term should be adopted. In fact, adoption should be easier for everyone involved. I've seen the process and it's logistical hell for the mother and the people wanting to adopt.
Hard line abortion bans, based on religious precedent and emotional irrationality is forcing a cruel destiny on two animals. Essentially that's what humans are. There is no great pretense to people who have sex on an instinctual level. Sex to humans with no religious code is not constrained in morality and doctrine, and concepts such as "abstinence" and "fornication" don't exist
Have fun with a forever welfare state. It's not affluent babies being aborted. It's the Tessica Browns of the world (and even she has 5 kids..all living off the taxpayer)
:The audacity of man to say "I know God thinks life begins at conception" and "abortion is the same as murdering a 5 year old" is mind boggling" You're own audacity and assumptions are egocentric and hypocritical. T The point is if you cant just get free abortions anytime you choose to, you would make the choice to use birth control. Consequences work. This birth control would lead to lower STD rates as a positive byproduct. Ever look up STD rates by race? Hint the ones who get the most abortions have by far the most STDs. Moving on, I would rather have 18 years with a terrible parent (i did) than no life. Who are you to choose for the unborn child which would be better? I see your own grandiose idea of self causes you to miss the forest for the trees. And you sound like a damn eugenicist. Im sure you dont have kids.
Yeah ... leave it to the doctors ...... is a call to external authority.
In this sense I agree with OP: logical thinking and morals .... but ... morals based on natural law, not some emotional hanky panky with some book written 2600 years ago. It is incumbent on each and everyone of us to be with the knowledge on Natural Law.
Really? I thought they checked your insurance papers first to see how much treatment they can provide. In 2021, a heart beat is a trivial matter that can be overcome.
Its not about the facts. Its about the MONEY. Project Veritas proved that.
Sure you can try to reason with the left...
If you accept the premise that human beings are spiritual beings inhabiting a meat body, the question then becomes: when does the spirit join the body? Some people believe that it's the moment a sperm joins a zygote. Others believe that it is not until shortly before birth or even at birth. That is the crucial question in deciding whether abortion should be a crime, not a heartbeat. The answer? I dunno. It's true that life begins at fertilization but is it a human being's life?
They check for a pulse, but they are also not allowed to call it. The rules and laws of different medical systems in current countries is also irrelevant.
So, I agree that abortion is wrong, but not because of a heartbeat or related rules. The heartbeat is irrelevant. Life starts at conception.
I see your points, but in those cases the person was assumed to be living independently of something. I understand the signs of life side of the argument, but to that point, what would you say to someone on life support? Is it ok to give the ok to pull the plug? I bring that up because I see the mother as the life support system in this equation (up until the point where the baby can survive outside the womb).
Lol they're not presumed dead without a heartbeat, they're presumed to be in cardiac arrest. Based on other factors EMS decides to perform or not perform CPR e.g. body otherwise destroyed beyond repair and obviously/apparently deceased.
Even without a heartbeat there may be some electrical sign of brain activity.
Even without some electrical sign of brain activity there have been cases where the body, left alone, comes to life.
Even when a body doesn't immediately come to life, if for some reason it doesn't take on the obvious signs of death like rigor mortis, no one in their right mind would embalm and bury the body
Pulse. They check for a pulse. Very different.