Any business that mandates a vaccination, which Covid isn’t a vaccine because of the short duration of efficacy and EUA status, is guilty of a crime and must be held accountable for any harm done. By compelling patrons and/or employees to submit to a shot that has questionable safety, short and long term side effects, including death, when there are safer treatments available is against the law. Massive numbers of people will be out of work, lose their homes, families, businesses and lives.
Agree with your reasoning/conclusion that coercive compliace with mandates is unlawful on multiple fronts. No question. Sadly, our challenge is upholding the rule of law amidst rampant lawlessness and state corruption. It's much like speeding on the highway. It's against the law yet there are places where people speed with impunity because everyone in that neighborhood knows the police don't enforce the speed limit on that stretch of road.
I feel it could be another way for ds to ruin us if they get companies to comply and then we sue them. So many businesses would go under causing a big economic issue. Companies need to not comply to avoid this imo.
I was thinking the same. , Now that we know the vaccinated spread and get the virus at the same rate as the unvaccinated. The businesses have lost their only case for mandates which was to providing a safe work place. Should also prevent the OSHA regs but who knows they simply ignore facts.
glad to see the politicians humiliating themselves with the mask wearing. I get a kek out of it every time I see resident biden or ho harris wearing theirs.
I think much better arguments could be made through concepts of discrimination and human rights violations. When did a person lose their right to be secure in their own body? When can a medical choice be used by government to discriminate between people? If they can discriminate between between people taking a Covid vax, how about compelling women to take birth control? What about compelling men to undergo vasectomies? How about forcing overweight people to undergo bariatric surgery? If government can invade a person's privacy and force medical procedures there's no end to what they could do. This is what happens in Chyna. The state mandates you will have no more than one child. All additional pregnancies are aborted. This is what happens when Communism takes over. They always say it's for the good of the many and wipe out individual rights. This is today's Democrat (Communist) Party.
Jacobson vs mass is very different than this situation now. For example small pox death rate was 33% vs 0.05% for covid. And the vax was already around for 10 + year before forced vax. It may lead to come clarification...hopefully of that ruling.
Also, were there other effective treatments available for smallpox? Many treatments exist for WUHAN that are much more effective and much safer to use than this 'vax'. See Uttar Pradesh.
Eh the real small pox (variola minor/alastrim) had a fatality rate of less than 1%. The genetically modified variola major is the disease with a fatality rate between 30-60%.
I do believe it won’t matter, the same way Roe v Wade didn’t legalize infant murder for a specific gestation - 9 weeks or 9 months.
I really do hope its overturned, but its already being used to justify these vaccine mandates in appellate courts.
And, "what medical procedures are employers, and the govt. not allowed to impose on people, and why?" What is the needed legal criteria to disallow any medical procedure?
Exactly. Why not have uncle Joe just mandate one of your extra kidneys to keep you co-worker (commie bossman) healthy for the "greater good" because bossman is more valuable to society, comrade?
No, they're saying it'll open Pandora's box. If they can force vaccinate, why can't they force other medical procedures? Forced sterilization? Whatever they want.
They don't. It's called involuntary servitude; and it's illegal, it says so in the 13 amendment.
Involuntary Servitude
Slavery; the condition of an individual who works for another individual against his or her will as a result of force, coercion, or imprisonment, regardless of whether the individual is paid for the labor.
So the employers are forced(coerced) into working for the government with no pay whatsoever, only threats of penalties. Same with our taxes, the employer has no business being the middleman for the IRS.
the vax is so heavily politicized getting one is a form of political speech. compelling someone to get one is compelling them to make a political statement.
Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are the same thing, according to the law. An employer acting on behalf of a state ordered dictate (not an actual law) designed to discriminate against people who express themselves by keeping their medical status private, or express dissenting views of the vax are in effect violating those persons civil rights. And, because they are acting on behalf of the govt. those private businesses can no longer hide behind their private ownership protections, and can now have the piss sued out of them. And hopefully as class-action lawsuits, with punitive damages applied.
The socialists should be thrilled about this. Vax lawsuits could very well become the greatest transfer of wealth away from corporate interests in American history.
You know, the same reasoning could be applied to the lncome Tax. As it is, private employers are forced to report employee earnings to the state (state actor). And they are forced to testify that their workers' earnings are taxable income (compelled speech).
How about non government agencies acting as government agents enforcing law?
There is a u.s. code that forbids any person or entity from enforcing any government law, rule, regulation etc. The fine is a million per person doing it and 100 million for an entity.
If the government makes you an official agent then you may be covered. Otherwise it's fucking illegal as hell.
I'm not a lawyer and don't know if the argument will work. But I never fail to mention to anyone (even strangers) when the stab mandates come up in conversation and frame the situation in that: "Brandon mandates may not be legal but they are using "mandates" to bully the corporations and smaller businesses into doing the govts'-globalists dirty work. Same tactic as BLM did. Mafia-type Protection Racket on world scale. Protection from whatever works for the scheme: Federal Taxes, Fines, or burning property, fear of boycotts, etc. These people make the Mafia look like pikers.
Easy to "enforce" with a WH phone call to IRS and voila...a non-compliant, non-vax mandating corp. gets auditted to hell and back. Or a call to Pentagon and Govt. contracts dry up. Endless pay-back options available to "enforce" a defiant business.
Any business that mandates a vaccination, which Covid isn’t a vaccine because of the short duration of efficacy and EUA status, is guilty of a crime and must be held accountable for any harm done. By compelling patrons and/or employees to submit to a shot that has questionable safety, short and long term side effects, including death, when there are safer treatments available is against the law. Massive numbers of people will be out of work, lose their homes, families, businesses and lives.
Agree with your reasoning/conclusion that coercive compliace with mandates is unlawful on multiple fronts. No question. Sadly, our challenge is upholding the rule of law amidst rampant lawlessness and state corruption. It's much like speeding on the highway. It's against the law yet there are places where people speed with impunity because everyone in that neighborhood knows the police don't enforce the speed limit on that stretch of road.
Yeah... not going to lie this really black pills me sometimes.
I feel it could be another way for ds to ruin us if they get companies to comply and then we sue them. So many businesses would go under causing a big economic issue. Companies need to not comply to avoid this imo.
It’s only the liberal snowflake companies that are complying. Honestly, we’re better off with them failing.
Ill go for that
I was thinking the same. , Now that we know the vaccinated spread and get the virus at the same rate as the unvaccinated. The businesses have lost their only case for mandates which was to providing a safe work place. Should also prevent the OSHA regs but who knows they simply ignore facts.
Masks are compelled speech also. Especially the way the resemble underwear on our faces. Mass humiliation ritual speech.
Mask humiliation.
glad to see the politicians humiliating themselves with the mask wearing. I get a kek out of it every time I see resident biden or ho harris wearing theirs.
Especially when players on their team keeps reporting new cases of the ‘rona since PoopyPants went on world tour.
Totally.
I think much better arguments could be made through concepts of discrimination and human rights violations. When did a person lose their right to be secure in their own body? When can a medical choice be used by government to discriminate between people? If they can discriminate between between people taking a Covid vax, how about compelling women to take birth control? What about compelling men to undergo vasectomies? How about forcing overweight people to undergo bariatric surgery? If government can invade a person's privacy and force medical procedures there's no end to what they could do. This is what happens in Chyna. The state mandates you will have no more than one child. All additional pregnancies are aborted. This is what happens when Communism takes over. They always say it's for the good of the many and wipe out individual rights. This is today's Democrat (Communist) Party.
Mandate diet and exercise and we will have a revolution in 3 days.
Not just mandate but force it. Make everyone eat "Uncle Sam's" brand of Soylent Green manufactured by Pfizer as seen on TV promoted by Anthony Fauci.
If the courts don't cuck out this could be the big one to go up to the supremes and kill the jabtards. u/#Pepenuke
I wouldn't be so confident the SC would rule on the side of reason, considering some of their recent decisions.
Especially considering it would overturn Jacobson vs Massachusetts. I just can’t see the SC judges doing this.
Jacobson vs mass is very different than this situation now. For example small pox death rate was 33% vs 0.05% for covid. And the vax was already around for 10 + year before forced vax. It may lead to come clarification...hopefully of that ruling.
Fascism doesn't care about your facts
Also, were there other effective treatments available for smallpox? Many treatments exist for WUHAN that are much more effective and much safer to use than this 'vax'. See Uttar Pradesh.
Jacobson v Mass was cited as a reason the Maine healthcare workers lost their case at the SC.
Eh the real small pox (variola minor/alastrim) had a fatality rate of less than 1%. The genetically modified variola major is the disease with a fatality rate between 30-60%. I do believe it won’t matter, the same way Roe v Wade didn’t legalize infant murder for a specific gestation - 9 weeks or 9 months. I really do hope its overturned, but its already being used to justify these vaccine mandates in appellate courts.
How about, "When does the Federal government have the right to tell a private company what medical procedures employees must endure?"
And, "what medical procedures are employers, and the govt. not allowed to impose on people, and why?" What is the needed legal criteria to disallow any medical procedure?
Exactly. Why not have uncle Joe just mandate one of your extra kidneys to keep you co-worker (commie bossman) healthy for the "greater good" because bossman is more valuable to society, comrade?
The medical procedure known as "covid vaccinations". Are you being facetious?
No, they're saying it'll open Pandora's box. If they can force vaccinate, why can't they force other medical procedures? Forced sterilization? Whatever they want.
Forced sterilization is real and did happen. Buck v Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
They don't. It's called involuntary servitude; and it's illegal, it says so in the 13 amendment.
Slavery; the condition of an individual who works for another individual against his or her will as a result of force, coercion, or imprisonment, regardless of whether the individual is paid for the labor.
So the employers are forced(coerced) into working for the government with no pay whatsoever, only threats of penalties. Same with our taxes, the employer has no business being the middleman for the IRS.
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Involuntary+Servitude
I like that one.
Great title, OP. Moar heavy lifting from Ghost 😎
the vax is so heavily politicized getting one is a form of political speech. compelling someone to get one is compelling them to make a political statement.
It sure as hell is a political statement. Watch how fast mostpeople shy away from the subject in public.
Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are the same thing, according to the law. An employer acting on behalf of a state ordered dictate (not an actual law) designed to discriminate against people who express themselves by keeping their medical status private, or express dissenting views of the vax are in effect violating those persons civil rights. And, because they are acting on behalf of the govt. those private businesses can no longer hide behind their private ownership protections, and can now have the piss sued out of them. And hopefully as class-action lawsuits, with punitive damages applied.
The socialists should be thrilled about this. Vax lawsuits could very well become the greatest transfer of wealth away from corporate interests in American history.
You know, the same reasoning could be applied to the lncome Tax. As it is, private employers are forced to report employee earnings to the state (state actor). And they are forced to testify that their workers' earnings are taxable income (compelled speech).
We’ve paid for our our destruction.
It's an interesting argument, and it's hilarious to see the hospital pissed.
Lets pray it's in front of the right judge.
How about non government agencies acting as government agents enforcing law?
There is a u.s. code that forbids any person or entity from enforcing any government law, rule, regulation etc. The fine is a million per person doing it and 100 million for an entity.
If the government makes you an official agent then you may be covered. Otherwise it's fucking illegal as hell.
The other argument is to use roe v Wade against them. If there's a right to medical privacy then there's a right to medical privacy in all things.
I'm not a lawyer and don't know if the argument will work. But I never fail to mention to anyone (even strangers) when the stab mandates come up in conversation and frame the situation in that: "Brandon mandates may not be legal but they are using "mandates" to bully the corporations and smaller businesses into doing the govts'-globalists dirty work. Same tactic as BLM did. Mafia-type Protection Racket on world scale. Protection from whatever works for the scheme: Federal Taxes, Fines, or burning property, fear of boycotts, etc. These people make the Mafia look like pikers.
Whos enforcing this lol OSHA has less employees than a walmart distribution center
Easy to "enforce" with a WH phone call to IRS and voila...a non-compliant, non-vax mandating corp. gets auditted to hell and back. Or a call to Pentagon and Govt. contracts dry up. Endless pay-back options available to "enforce" a defiant business.
You know, like in communist countries because commies don’t care about laws.
Fucking of course they are state actors. The Government forcing employers to force you to do something is the Government forcing you to do something.
Do religious exemptions work for avoiding testing?
You had me at "Trump's impeachment lawyer is brilliant". Yes he certainly is. Can't wait to show this to the wife. Big fans, both of us.