I work for the DOD under the Department if the Navy. I was suspended last week for not taking the covid test so i talked to a lawyer and I was shocked by what the lawyer had to tell me. This lawyer specializes in Federal Employee cases.
I brought up my issues with the test including informed consent and the fact no one evee responded to my, or any of my fellow coworkers', exemption request. None of us have ever seen an MSDS for the chemicals used on the test, namely ethylene oxide and sodium azide, nor has anyone verbally communicated what is on the tests or the possible effects of these chemicals. I specifically pointed to 21 CFR which covers drug and experimental drugs. 21 CFR explicitly states that any patient must be informed of the testing materials and possible side effects. I also showed the OSHA website FAQ page that says they don't keep track of vax vs unvaxxed injuries or deaths because they dont want to stop people from getting the shots.
I brought up the issue of harassment and discrimination based on religion. None of us heard back about our religious exemptions, so why were we all suspended from work last week?
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Your religious exemption is only for the vaccine, not the test. According to the lawyer, the mask, social distancing, "vaccine", and testing mandates are all separate. Meaning you must apply for a religious or medical exemption for EACH ONE.
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"The mandates are legal because the democrats interpret the law in way that, since the Constitution does not say they cant do a mandate, they can." Obviously, my immediate response was, "thats not what the 9th and 10th amendments say."
She claimed that these mandates are legal until the cases go to SCOTUS and they say its not legal. Basically, we dont have a constitution anymore. They operate on a guilty until proven innocent mindset.
- The lawyer also said the informed consent issue falls under the same umbrella as number 2, because the DOD is following their own procedures and is allowed to do that. Its legal until it goes to SCOTUS.
They are allowed to break the Nuremburg code, which is basically what 21 CFR Subpart B section 50 is, "just because"...
4)the recommendations were to fill out a Request for Accommodation. If/when that is denied, then apply an EEO conplaint. Thats it. Thats all we can do. I dont have the money to do a lawsuit unless i hop on a class action. So if hou guys know of any class action suits, please let a brother know.
Lovs you guys!
She's full of crap. The constitution doesn't enumerate what government can't do. It enumerates only the 18 things government can do. Everything else belongs to the States and the People. If the Framers had tried to list the things government can't do they would still be writing today.
Thats what I told her. The constitution is light on purpose. If you get specific, that creates loopholes and the interpretation that, since you didn't specify X, then I can do it. The 9th and 10th amendments specifically say that the government cannot do what they're doing!
Exactly! But just incase knuckleheads can’t comprehend what the Constitutions role is, we also have the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which does, in fact, cover religious discrimination. It’s amazing to me how little lawyers and employers seem to know about this particular act. Then again, they clearly don’t understand the most important document in our nation so I guess I can’t be shocked when other pertinent things fall through the cracks. 🙄🤦🏼♀️
Many were trained in HAaaaRrrVaaaRrd
This was the big debate over the Bill of Rights. The opponents to the Bill of Rights warned this would happen. That anything they didn't explicitly list as a right would then become an assumed power of the state. Most of these guys walked away from the constitutional convention in disgust. Turns out they were right.
Correct.
Everything outside of those 18 things are all illegal.
Time to bring this bitch down….. biblically.
The Federal Gov has slowly, over time, been "taking" powers that belong to the States, for themselves. Doing it slowly we aren't as aware of it being done. People are waking up and finally LEARNING what they didn't (or slept through) in HS Government class.
What people ? No one I know. Everyone is happy no more pussy grabbing mean tweets.
Yep, remember how the Articles of Confederation failed miserably? There was a reason for that....hence...our Constitution.
Thomas Renz, Renz Law, fights vax test/mandate cases.
https://renz-law.com/our-medical-freedom-fight/
Give them a call and they can advise you about their class actions they're involved with now, and more.
I asked a friend of mine, a prominent contract atty, if the Black's Law Dictionary is cited in court filings. She said that if there is a dispute over the meaning of a word that the Black's Law Dictionary is what it used. I asked her to look up "mandate", she said she would and get back to me. That was three weeks ago - no returned call.
So the Q at this time is: did she already know? or is she having an "oh shit" moment and knows if she does call me back that she's gonna lose an argument to someone with only associates degrees?
Yeah that blacks law dictionary is their bible.
Shes clearly not a constitutionalist
Indeed.
OP: if you stick with this lawyer its like sticking with a doctor who constantly tries to jab you. Find a few one.
If a lawyer says "since the Constitution does not say they cant do a mandate, they can" it should immediately mean they are no longer a lawyer.
The constitution doesnt say i cant have an f15
Arms are arms. Bear away. F’n a.
Keep and bear arms, fren.
I agree 100%. I was blown away when she said that.
This is why we have all these ridiculous warning signs everywhere now….”But no one said meh meh meh…whine whine whine whine.”
The bad guys specialize in loopholes. If there is a loophole they will find it and exploit it. If that isn’t bad enough they also specialize in writing loopholes into everything they can.
That’s what the devil does
You talked to a Karen lawyer. Find a new one.
My experience is if I worked on site I would have to test weekly, I believe. If I wanted an exemption from testing in addition to my already granted jab exemption, I would have to request that separately. Thank the good Lord, I am 100 remote so I don't have to test.
You're correct. If you telework, you don't have to test. Thats why I pointed out to them that I want to telework as an accommodation. I can do most (90%) of my job from home.
Ahh yes, “work” from home.
What she is actually saying, should be something you will be heeding.
The USA INC is not authorized to exist since Nov 1999. Hence, what you consider to be Constitution is not in effect, because it has not been correctly authorized by the people.
In 2000 instead of chads of Florida, you should have had a from the ground up re-authorization of all institutions of government.
And since this has not been done, what you are watching is a movie, a ruse.
See: www.lastflagstanding.com
There are non-invasive tests out there, i.e. saliva and/or self-administered snot samples, from outer nasal passages. They are called Rapid Antigen Tests. Those tests still have some toxic stuff in them, but you don't need to put those toxins in your body. Would your organisation accept a result from one of those? Saliva tests are a common ground some people are willing to accept.
Also, the CDC has said that the deeply invasive PCR test is no good, because it cannot diagnose infectivity (it cannot tell if you are going to get Covid, or if you have just had it, neither can it tell the difference between AIDS, Influenza or Coronavirus) on several occasions.
Problem: they sell your DNA to China.
So it's best if we do NO testing AT ALL.
I know most aren't seeing it that way but I hope it will come soon.
Not on the self-administered RAT tests: No-one collect anything!.
https://greatawakening.win/p/140cgEhE0n/u-s-supreme-court--san-diego-id-/c/
Thank you sir!
Thanks for posting this. DH is a fed also and we’ve heard nothing about his religious exemption as well. We have since had covid so now have natural immunity. Did the attorney say anything about that?
She said that the people with natural immunity are under the same umbrella as any other unvaccinated. Since the test mandate is for ALL unvaccinated, it's not discriminatory and no special provisions exist in the mandate for those with immunity.
Dang that's stupid.
If unvaxxed must test, then so must vaxxed, especially because vaxxed are the superspreaders they claimed we were.
Think like the union reps. Tell them you need time to respond to each legal aspect.
I have, but I'm still under suspension. They are punishing as no matter what. I'm waiting for my exemption to be reviewed, I've offered accommodations (telework) and I've offered up pages upon pages of questions and concerns with sources to all information I cite. I've had no response at all except to be told I'm suspended.
Ask them for an interactive process. Make them deny you a face to face meeting
I’m shocked this lawyer isn’t aware of a little thing called the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We don’t need SCOTUS to rule on mandates. The Act covers religious discrimination and they have to make every effort to accommodate your religious exemption. If they claim that your religious exemption will cause their company an undue hardship it better be a legitimate hardship that they can prove w/o a doubt when you sue them in court. A legal advisor did a fantastic workshop on the Civil Rights Act and what it means for employers.
This is the way lawyers are trained. There is no mileage in a lawyer who tells people that they are in fact free, and not subject to statutes.
I talk to a law student sometimes and tbh this is the way they teach them.
If they pass a law or mandate or whatever, its immediately deemed "constitutional" until you take it to the court of law and reject it.
There is no rejecting things based on the constitution, because it simply becomes part of it by being passed at all.
If you dont like it, get different people to write your laws, they say..
Thats amazing... I am astonished that those words came out of her mouth and that's how our laws are passed. It's the same premise as guilty until proven innocent. It's ass backwards.
You need an actual lawyer, not some Sotomayor wannabe.
Get a new lawyer. This bitch sounds like cholomayor
Esquire = owned by the crown.