Sorry but, why is no one on here discussing this today?
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A nothing burger. 98% were forgiven because that was how it was set up.
It's misleading to call them loans at all. They were never intended to be paid back; they were government grants to the businesses they shut down with covid lockdowns so that the whole economy didn't just instantly die.
Likening the PPP program to student loans is the worst kind of intellectual dishonesty, i.e. just another Tuesday in D.C.
EXACTLY
From one angle, this looks very incriminating.
But... the PPP loans were made available for everyone to apply... and it was free money if you were eligible... so if you were eligible and didn't take the free money off the table, then I don't know how else to say it other than you missed out.
Should the PPP loans ever been offered? Well, that's a different debate. The point is, they were offered, so those who played by the rules and took the free money benefited.
Not everyone was able to obtain the monies. Legit small businesses who could have and would have used the monies to stay in business were denied.
We were denied, our banker told us months early to apply, we did, way before the announced date we were filled out and waiting for the programs to begin.
Monies ran out before we were served, I don't know how frauds got in ahead of us but they did, all over the country people defrauded the scam, er system.
We survived, not everyone did. We were deemed an essential business and could not close, not that we wanted to close, we stayed open every day, same as always. It was very difficult, those monies would have helped but not everyone was rewarded, tho plenty of scammers were.
Companies were supposed to meet strict criteria to be eligible for the forgiveness too, if they failed they were supposed to pay it back. Most did not pay it back, regardless of the rules, certainly the scammers could not show the accounting receipts to prove their need and uses of the monies.
Just saying, most of us never had a chance to obtain any help.
That really sucks and I'm bummed for you, and angry that that happened. I was not unaware, though, that scammers existed.
I have no idea what the politicians in this original post applied for, or whether or not they were eligible. I am not assuming, though, that they were scammers.
The program was flawed, for sure. Some states never even used all their money.
Anyway, I'm glad you were able to survive.
There you go!
The ones who offer the money and the ones who (are even given the opportunities to) take up the said offer are the same criminals. It's like that Spiderman pointing to Spiderman meme. Or that Office meme which says "they're the same picture" (Corporate wants you to tell the difference between these two images).
I understand that they participated in a program that they approved. There is no getting around that--that is the way of capitalism: you create things to benefit.
Taking advantage of the stock market is where the criminal activity is. When government leaders do that based on insider info, that's wrong. That's an unfair advantage. The PPP loans were not an unfair advantage.
There's a big difference between PPP loans and Student loans.
I'm dumb, please explain
PPP loans were the ones given out to businesses during covid in order to help them pay their employees while they couldn't work or something along those lines. I think if you used the funds in a certain way then they would be forgiven.
There is certainly a big difference when the government shuts your business down then tries to bribe you with PPP loans, then use that as their "I got you moment". Businesses didn't ask to be shut down, they were forced to. Of course everyone will take the money.
PPP loans came as a result of the government shutting down business, making it impossible for many businesses to stay a float. It was a result of a terrible and wrong act by the government. Student loans are not, they are personal decisions not out of necessity where the responsibility lies with the individual.
The last official act of any gov is to loot the nation. Real question is just how long the looting has been going on.
Rightly said!
As a business owner who had my business shut down for 2 months as a nonessential business by our democrat mayor… what a crock of shit. One loan is to keep employees employees and on payroll. Another is for your education you chose.
Are patriots in control? Expose both sides, light is a great disinfectant.
Hold up, what is wrong with accepting PPP loans when the government shuts down your business? This is not the same as a student loan
They were to be used to pay employees. If paid to employees it was essentially a grant.
Correct
I didn't go to school because I could not afford it. There are many who did, and the simple fact that our own gov gives billions to foreign nations to run welfare programs at our expense irritates me. However, I prefer our tax dollars to be spent on Americans. The outrage shouldn't be the 10k. It should be why so little is wasted on us, vs other nations who hate us.
Outrage should be all of the above.
The thing is, these ones (who already hold great power and prosperity, and can likely pay off their forgiven loans even today) had millions of dollars worth of their debts forgiven. And yet, when someone else, such as students, get what is less than 0.1% the said amount, they all bitch and cry from their high horses.
Of course they need to be named, shamed, called out, exposed, and dragged out of their respective thrones.
There’s nothing corrupt about receiving ppp loans by anyone. Nor having it paid off because from the start it was understood that it was like a grant as long as you qualified
Yes indeed! 👍 Both sides are equally rotten to the core, and we of all people should not shy away from acknowledging that!
As you rightly put, light is a great disinfectant indeed!
Marjorie is also one of the most profitable US politician in stock market.
Because literally no one gives a shit. No laws were broken. This is how Congress passed it. Anyone bringing this up can fuck off.
It's still summer time in the northern hemisphere. Quit being so shilly. If you're from the south side, grab a blanket and quit being shilly.
Plenty of comments here explain this in the correct light.
If calling out millionaire crooks who've abused the system's loopholes to get rich (as they shout and scream against poor students working 3 jobs just to find a decent education) makes me a shill, then I'll proudly put on my shill hat. Hell, if you're a mod reading this, give me my shilliest shill flair already, please.
Any person with a shred of humanity, hell, even basic morality within them would call this BS out for what it is rather than seeing it as some "our side right" "your side wrong" madness. These tweets by WH today were the libs' equivalent of @DefiantL tweets, but hey, they're just way too inconvenient for us, apparently.
Take a breather fren. Then re read the comments. It is explained what is gong on here. I'm not going to repeat what has been repeated. With that, we can agree to disagree. No sweat here.
The White House argument is so moot… You shut down the country forbidding individuals to make money (other than big corporations like Walmart, Amazon, and airlines), provide these individuals with money to subsidize their losses, and then politicize the fact that these loans were forgiven as they were intended to do anyway? All while this liberal administration is sending out billions upon billions of dollars out of the United States….. makes complete sense
By the way, and just to be very, very clear, I do NOT agree with them spending billions and trillions of dollars to fund wars (and the Military Industrial Complex) either. Nor do I support these ones that the WH Twitter has (rightly) exposed today.
I'm against all spending that enriches the dark ones, and for all spending that assists the downtrodden. And this should ideally be every HUMAN'S approach to this, in any case.
The downtrodden can learn to work or go back where they came from
Because we understand propaganda and how it works.
p.s., the PPP loans were offered with expectation they'd be forgiven, unlike the school loans for whatever that's worth
The main point most people seem to miss.
If memory serves - it was only a loan of you didn't meet the expectations - if you did then it was not expected to be repaid
is it propaganda though? even if true, the loans were being offered and the deep state faction of the government itself was the cause of major losses of business. I know many restaurant owners that took advantage and had up to 2.5M in forgiven loans. I dont begrudge them. the fake fiat is about to completely collapse anyway imho
Those tweets are meant to divide us and turn us against each other. [propaganda]
I tend to agree. they gave money to these notable politicians to then use as fodder for why it's ok for them to give away the entire farm to Ukraine and every other cabal money laundering scheme
If it is false, we as a community should have called it out like we call out every other small thing (when the "other side" does it).
Pretending that this MASSIVE development never even HAPPENED exposes our own hypocrisy. And if WE TOO are going to be like that, what RIGHTS then, does it give us to call out the libs?
I didn't say it was false.
It is divisive. They want us divided.
Don't get distracted.
Exposing hypocrisy on our side is not divisive. It serves a purpose, that we are not like them. We will stand for truth. If you do what the left does, then are we any different?
How is this hypocrisy?
Because they are. They abused the system and now don't want others to do so. If you ever got pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning. Then later on in life you decided to become a cop and pull someone over for speeding, and it is the first and only time you have seen them do this, no priors on record, and you give them a ticket, you are in fact a hypocrite.
So they should pay back the loans anyway? Should I refuse a verbal warning from a cop and demand that he give me a ticket?
I don't think you understand what hypocrisy is. Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.
If these people refused to pay back loans and fought to get them forgiven then that would be hypocrisy. Benefiting from the actions of somebody else is not hypocrisy.
If they're gonna bitch and cry and scream about the "unjustness" of people "mis-spending"* taxpayer funds then they should grow a spine - AND a pair - and lead by EXAMPLE because that's what LEADERS DO.
Last I checked, leading by example was a thing, and a very, VERY respectable thing at that.
But naah, they're just gonna piss in their golden toilet bowls tonight while feeling happy that they got their nation's citizens riled up against * checks notes *, poor little students working 3 jobs to make ends meet.
I don't know if you have a moral compass (or even a humanity compass) beyond supporting every evil that capitalism does, but in case you do, I'd suggest that you attempt using it once. Cheers.
Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles. (Moral rules)
Exactly. Besides, I'm sure that these ones can now actually pay off said loans, if they had even a shred of integrity left. In fact, if they had done that before calling out these student loan forgivings, I would have likely taken their words more seriously.
But when was the last time a career politician had any integrity in them lol.
preach it brother.
You’re uninformed and it shows
Because it's all lies. PPP loans are NOT the same as student loans.
Also, they tried to claim Ben Shapiro had taken out PPP loans, but he never has. He's currently on a quest to either get the media to stop claiming this or to sue them.
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Or wonder why this M A S S I V E new development hasn't even as much as been mentioned on here all day yet.
What PPP loans were forgiven and for what?
The way I see it, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz have the least amount of PPP loans forgiven. That is a drop in the bucket compared to some of our representatives (Nancy Pelosi) and what Ukraine ($60 billion plus) got from taxpayers.
Good to see you Don !
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This doesn't surprise me - certainly very disappointing (if true) but they all abuse our money. Let's press all of these dirtbags for their explanations.
What's even worse is that these numbers are in literal million dollars. The audacity these ones have to compare themselves to students whose amounts come down to a meager $10,000 dollars, as also the likelihood that those who've already paid off their loans aren't even going to get any rebates themselves. And yet, these rich, filthy bastards wanting to "lead us" are okay leeching off millions of taxpayer dollars themselves, but God forbid some poor student struggling with three jobs just to get educated gets like, 0.1% or lesser of the money.
Fuck that noise.
Absolutely correct! Just another perfect example of how these so-called leaders could care less about the little people... only themselves.
No and I would have still listened to them if only they'd had any actual integrity left in them to to pay off said loans (now that they very well are rich enough to), before bitching and crying this much about literal poor students.
I don't care who's running the White House account right now, but today, I'm a one hundred percent on their side. Heck, I don't even care if it was the cabal that did it (out of fear or desperation or whatever). Exposure is exposure. Light is light. Truth is truth, no matter where it comes from.
So what, were the PPP loans and forgiveness programs just a trap to get us to accept so they could then tar us for it later?
Who forgave them? Is it ever the fault of the borrower if loans are forgiven?
Wherever they applied for one originally. Could have been a Big Bank (such was PNC), or a small local bank, or even straight through SBA themselves.
I worked on these loans and they were the most aggravating thing, the borrowers did not have to show any proof on how they used the PPP funds.
Many people who have businesses, I noticed gave themselves all of the funds and did not disperse it correctly through payroll. They gave themselves distributions through their K-1s in the amount of the loan. Wrong.
You didn’t even need an EIN number to apply, any willy nilly person who filed a schedule C during the previous tax year was eligible.
To me, PPP loans were for the unfortunate and NOT for the elite. THis country is lost. It's like a rich person going to a soup line for free food! I don't care how you frame it, it is nothing but GREED!
The entire program was corrupt, do we really need to go line by line to identify every individual who exploited it. Should we also make a list of everyone who gets a student loan forgiven under the latest criminal program.
That line of which you speak looks rather short, and the exploiting individuals in question rather huge (not to mention, a tad bit too loud mouthed and arrogant AF about it all)
Love to hear your reaction to the Liberal Hivemind video about this topic. It makes sense to me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RebPdGdsUrc
Darkness to light. How can anyone here be baffled by this?
The dems did it too. Total nobodies fid it. I know of a girl who drives an uber in a small town and she took $10k in PPP claiming she was a "taxi company" For the record this woman is already on disabilty and has been for years
There's plenty of similar fraudsters on reddit