That is cute, but no one will ever convince me that the earth isn't flat.
Our house has a courtyard, and one of our exhaust pipes is lined up exactly below the north star. No matter what time of year it is, or what time it is, the north star is still there in that same exact spot. How is this possible if we are spinning at 1037 mph, speeding around the sun at 66,660 mph, at a tilt of 66.6 degrees (90-23.4), and EDIT: SHOOTING THROUGH SPACE somewhere between 526,282 mph and 457,970.
According to several online calculators...if I set a lazer 6 inches above the water level on one side of Lake Texoma, the lazer will be 42 inches above the water level three miles away. (6+36 due to curvature). Yet this doesn't happen for some reason. Almost as if level actually means level. Go figure.
Why do flight manuals and NASA training materials clearly read "assume a flat earth with zero rotation"?
Why on the Red Bull extreme high jump does the horizon look flat when they open the door to the capsule and only shows curvature when looking through a fish eyed go pro?
These examples can go on and on.
I always wondered why the airlines sometimes made us put our shades down on takeoff and only let us put them up after we were above the clouds. I believe that this is to block our view of reality and what we could possibly see during takeoff.
BTW..can someone show me an actual experiment that shows how gravity works and makes it a fact rather than theory? I can sure show you a million reproducible experiments using Archimedes Principle, Buoyancy and Density.
Also what a coincidence that a lot of these numbers they give us are Satanic: tilt of 66.6 degrees, moving through space at 66,600 MPH and also the curvature they say is 8 inches per mile (or .666 feet per mile). Honestly how can anyone who datefags or looks up deltas and matches up other numerical things miss or ignore these kinda blatant, in-your-face numbers...
Exactly. I wanted to make that in bold but am pretty clueless. According to everything I have read, which makes the calculator wrong, you would figure it at 8 inches X miles squared. In this case 8X(3*3) or 72 inches. Which one calculator did give me. That's a lot of drop over three miles...
But but you forgot to add the math of how the universe is ever expanding, so that surely, somehow accounts for your exhaust pipe/North Star dilemma... no?
Blinded me with Science.
Now, can we talk firmament... and then NASA? Or how about the fact that earth's moon is the ONLY known "satellite" in the observable uni-verse that doesn't rotate on an axis (we see the SAME side of the moon- always) as any planet, moon, asterois, meteor etc doea? And how a lunar or solar eclipse casts an exact size shadow of each other? Odds are flat out astronomical
All major moons of Jupiter are tidal locked and even one of Saturns. There's more, but just de-boonking your ONLY know "satellite" nonsense. Have a great flat-Earth day. LOL
Yeah, its almost like someone set it up that way...lol. I dont think most people here would dispute that. What does that prove though besides intelligent design? There is literally more conclusive evidence that the earth is round than there is that England had Kings and still no one flat earther can explain why the sun is up in china when its down in the continental united states.
The moon does rotate on its axis, it just does so in sync with its orbit around the earth, thus presenting the same side to the earth at all times. This is called tidal locking. Io is tidally locked to Jupiter as well, as Enceladus is to Saturn. Those moon’s rotations are more obvious because we’re not observing them from their respective planet’s surfaces.
If you’re going to spout about how evil and incorrect NASA is, at least educate yourself on the topic first before you embarrass yourself on the internet.
Also, the Earths firmament has been fundamentally misunderstood.
The notion of the firmament being a glass or ice dome above the earth comes from an 19th century scientist (who’s name I can’t recall at the moment) who explicitly stated that he got the idea from pagan mythology.
A better reading of the creation of the firmament indicates that it refers to the earths crust. When the crust was created, it divided the waters on the earth into two, roughly half trapped below and roughly half left above. Denser parts of the crust sank through the lower ocean to connect with the earths mantle, these are the pillars/foundations of the earth mentioned elsewhere in the OT.
During Noah’s flood, this crust ruptured and allowed the lower ocean to jet out and cover the entire earth as Genesis says. Side effects and chain reactions from this effect created all geological features that you see today. Debris from the earth was ejected into outer space, creating asteroids and comets, some of which impacted the moon giving it its distinctive dark spots. Other forces created all current radioactive elements, changed how long the month and the year were, and sorted Flood sediments into the layers that are mistaken to indicate millions of years of evolution.
More details and scientific evidence, see The Hydroplate Theory by Dr Walt Brown. He goes over the scientific evidence for everything I just described and more, along with more general arguments that support creation over evolution.
its almost like the earth is special somehow... despite what they want us to believe about being just one of countless identical planets. From what I understand, their attempts to measure cosmic background radiation also proves that our solar system is the center of the universe.
Earths axial tilt is not 66.6 degrees, it is defined as 23.4 degrees.
Earths orbital velocity is an average figure since earth slightly speeds up and slows down over its orbit. This number can also be expressed as 107,183 km/h.
Earths curvature can also be expressed as 20.32 cm/1.6 km, or 12.6 cm/km.
The number of the beast is 666. Not 66,600, not 0.666, not 66.6. Also, just because the number of the beast is 666 doesn’t mean everything with 666 in it is satanic. This is one of the most common and egregious misinterpretations of Revelation.
You’re deliberately cherry picking data and units to make 666 appear where you want it to be. The fact that you go actively looking for 666 says more about you than it does NASA.
your argument is disingenuous. masons (NASA) use the imperial system. These measurements are derived from their supposed science. why is the number 666 a recurring theme here? This list is far longer than just these 3 examples.
Incorrect, NASA has used the metric system since 1990.
Also, my point is that which measurement system you use is arbitrary, so you’re arbitrarily using the imperial system to make 666 show up because you think that proves something.
Also, if Freemasons were in charge of NASA and/or the govt in general, why would they lie about something that should be so easy to disprove? Why not tell the truth about the big stuff to earn more credibility to cover their lies about things more important to their agenda, like Covid?
What on earth does the cabal gain by lying to people about the earths shape? I have not heard any convincing argument beyond vague, incoherent references to Antarctica, which few if any civilians travel to in the first place.
And the earths axial tilt is defined from the vertical, not from the horizontal.
Changing the definition of earths axial tilt to artificially make 666 show up is disingenuous. You flat earthers love 666 so much I’m starting to think y’all are satanic.
the north star is still there in that same exact spot. How is this possible
Because the stars are really, really, REALLY far away, and the motion isn't detectible without extremely precise instruments. But, over time, it moves. The North Star wasn't always our true north. Ancient Sumerian texts describe other stars, such as Sirius and Betelguese. Vega, the brightest star in Lyra the Harp will eventually become our North Star in about 13,000 years.
Did you know? There are Sumerian ceuniform tablets that describe not only past, previous north stars, but describe ALL of them (as in, when they repeat), around one full rotation around the galactic core? ANCIENT knowledge.
Do you guys have any other arguments other than "it dun non gun nebber make sense to me"??
thats what I keep asking myself. I actually do understand astronomy. I understand orbital mechanics and physics and quantum physics. How could all of these things work so perfectly within our current model if theyre wrong?
I think Michio Kaku might have given us a hint when he commented that what surprised him the most, is that the parallels in the texts of the Zohar and Kaballah and physics are astounding.
I also believe there is a quote from Einstein somewhere that "it matters not if you consider the earth to be moving through the universe at break neck speed or if the earth is standing still and everything in the universe revolves around it- with the calculations for relativity working either way." Of course thats my paraphrased understanding of what was said. What this means is that you cannot prove the earth is moving through observation, and it merely becomes a debate on philosophical grounds.
Here's my current line of thinking- would it be possible for a superior intelligence to devise a model of physics that functions for 99.999% of observation, but is still flawed in such a way as to obscure the truth? What do Jews say about their supposed superior intelligence? Who gave us general relativity? Why does the surname Stein seem to be connected to so many of our current worldly problems?
you argument is taking a demonstrably fabricated history and using it as some sort of proof of a moving North Star. you have 0 physical evidence of it having ever moved. and then you use NASA, an organization made up of freemasons and nazis as evidence that it will be moving in the future too. we just need to wait 13000 years kek.
and you call me arrogant. perhaps you need a mirror.
Those windows you are looking out of probably distorted and curved. Most all of them are. Watch on Rumble: What on Earth Happened - Full Documentary or Parts 1 - 13. They are 20-30 min segments that will tell you how you have been duped.
why does it look just as curved when you're on a high mountain? it must be because your eyeballs are round...lmfao. Ok, back to reality: watch a ship go over the horizon and try to get a laser sight to maintain contact. If it was flat this would be possible. No need to believe me. Try it your self and learn something first hand.
This is the exact illustration of sheer ignorance informed by stupid arrogance. You certainly don't know enough about optics or airplane windows to prove that this is true---for if you did, you would quickly realize that it isn't true. (Speaking as a former optical engineer who worked on intraocular lenses.)
Those windows you are looking out of probably distorted and curved. Most all of them are. Watch on Rumble: What on Earth Happened - Full Documentary or Parts 1 - 13. They are 20-30 min segments that will tell you how you have been duped.
Well if you've ever been to a concert, that thing over the stage with all the lights and PA and shit is referred to as the "rigging." A very loaded word already, innit?
So the sky is like a super-complicated rigging, and it's attended to at all times to give the correct "sky picture"/lighting etc for any given place at any time of day.
Observable facts..what I go on are exactly that. What are your observable facts? I'm not the one depending on lab coats and 13 years MINIMUM spent in a government indoctrination facility.
I was home-schooled so i have less indoctrination than someone like you who believes people who tell him the earth is flat when he could have just gone outside and said to himself "hmmm the sun is down and its night time now. Where is it daytime now? What part of the flat earth is it daytime now? Wait if its flat shouldn't it be nighttime everywhere? Is that true? Hmmmmm?"
I can 'observe' a boat on the water on a clear day miles out..see more of the actual boat when you view from a higher location than from a lower location on the shoreline. That's pretty 'observable' proof right there.
The 66,600 orbital velocity number is an average figure. Orbital mechanics demonstrates that the Earth will slow down a bit at its aphelion (furthest point from the sun) and speed up a bit at perihelion (closest point to the sun). This is true for all orbits as they’re all slightly elliptical.
Axial tilt is 23.4 degrees, not 66.6. Taking the complement of axial tilt and calling it axial tilt just so that you can get a 666 somewhere is inaccurate and disingenuous.
Just because Revelation says that 666 is the number of the beast does not mean that every number with 666 in it is satanic. By necessity at some point in human history there were 666 humans on the planet. Does that mean we’re satanic?
The North Star actually moves ever so slightly in the sky, your eye just isn’t sensitive enough to detect this. The North Star is very closely aligned to Earths spin axis and is also 323 light years away, that’s why it doesn’t appear to move very much.
I obviously can’t see the result from your laser experiment, but other flat earthers have performed similar experiments and accidentally proven that the earth is round.
NASA and flight trainers sometimes assume that the earth is flat because it simplifies calculations in situations that don’t require that level of precision. They don’t make this assumption all the time, and it’s called an assumption for a reason.
The earths curvature is clearly visible from a plane at cruising altitude, and one’s view is not always obstructed by clouds. Airlines are not trying to hide anything from you except the fact that their pilots are dropping dead from the jab.
I would encourage everyone to watch on Rumble What on Earth Happened - Full Documentary or Part 1 - 13. They are 20-30 long and will explain how we have been duped.
Dude, 90 degrees minus 23.4 is 66.6 degrees. Is that a coincidence? Do you believe in coincidences now?
They made up the tilt- and it directly relates to the number of the beast. Along with a plethora of other numbers involving space and a round earth.
I know, it’s a hard one to wrap your head around. The cognitive dissonance is tough with this subject. My advise is to dive into what flat earthers believe and try to prove a globe.
Except that we DO know and you're willingly choosing ignorance. This is one of the many reasons you fundamentalist types that go to this extreme have ZERO business being in any government office.
What’s weird is that I would be considered a fundamentalist Christian, yet I believe in a round earth because that’s what the evidence points to.
I don’t think it’s even fundamentalism that drives flat earthers. For whatever reason they have this insatiable desire to a) be right about something without proving it, and b) having some “secret knowledge” that makes them feel superior to us peons who have been “duped”
I’m definitely not a fundamentalist at all. I do have a college degree, but I question everything. I do power line work, so science is important, but even electricity we know so little about.
And my opinion is earth is likely not flat, but toroidal but I don’t even have enough proof of that.
If you’re going to assert that we’re indoctrinated, you’re going to need to do a better job than “muh 666! NASA bad!”
You have failed to make a single accurate statement in your defense of flat earth, not have you demonstrated how a flat earth does not violate every known law of physics. Why do you call us ignorant and indoctrinated when you can’t defend your own theory?
You're not wrong. The reason why humans used the stars to navigate thousands of years before NASA is because they are predictable and we are not rotating spinning spiraling or zooming anywhere. Open up Antarctica and the truth will be known. Polaris is key.
Cavendish experiment, I have seen the device but never seen the experiment performed. That being said, if the earth being flat is more ridiculous to you than believing we are spinning faster than sound at all times without flying off or getting crushed by gravity at the poles. Idk what to say.
Also the sun rays through the clouds... Makes the sun look like it's really close
That being said, if the earth being flat is more ridiculous to you than believing we are spinning faster than sound at all times without flying off or getting crushed by gravity at the poles. Idk what to say.
Of course you don't, because you're an idiot who couldn't pass middle school physics.
That is cute, but no one will ever convince me that the earth isn't flat.
Oh I'm sure of that, flat earthers aren't interested in observable facts.
Our house has a courtyard, and one of our exhaust pipes is lined up exactly below the north star. No matter what time of year it is, or what time it is, the north star is still there in that same exact spot. How is this possible if we are spinning at 1037 mph, speeding around the sun at 66,660 mph, at a tilt of 66.6 degrees (90-23.4), and somewhere between 526,282 mph and 457,970.
That's because the North star aligns with Earth's axis of rotation so it's always in the same spot in the sky while the rest of the sky rotates around it (why do you think that is?). Also, citing high cosmic speeds as if we should somehow feel them is more proof of your ignorance. You see, space is a vacuum so there's no drag and the speeds are constant so there's no acceleration or force to be felt, like you don't feel anything when driving on a highway. And wouldn't you know it, earth's tilt times two is exactly the difference between peak sun angles on the winter and summer solstices. It's like the changing sun angles caused by the tilt are causing seasons or something, wild I know. Also, the air largely rotates along with the Earth's surface (there is drag there) so we don't live in 1000 mph winds. Rotation is measurable in the Coriolis force and it causes the general east to west movement of global air masses.
Why on the Red Bull extreme high jump does the horizon look flat when they open the door to the capsule and only shows curvature when looking through a fish eyed go pro?
Because in addition to being round, the Earth is really, really big, and any high jump altitude is too low to make out a curve. Put your eye against a beach ball and see if you can tell that it's round. Also, what would you expect a round earth to look like, your back yard curving out of sight? How small would it be then?
According to several online calculators...if I set a lazer 6 inches above the water level on one side of Lake Texoma, the lazer will be 42 inches above the water level three miles away. (6+36 due to curvature). Yet this doesn't happen for some reason. Almost as if level actually means level. Go figure.
But it does happen. In the movie Behind the Curve flat earthers try proving their theory with just such an experiment only to end up proving it's round. They also buy a very expensive gyroscope which proves the Earth is rotating at 15° an hour, much to their dismay.
BTW..can someone show me an actual experiment that shows how gravity works and makes it a fact rather than theory? I can sure show you a million reproducible experiments using Archimedes Principle, Buoyancy and Density.
Go back to middle school.
I always wondered why the airlines sometimes made us put our shades down on takeoff and only let us put them up after we were above the clouds. I believe that this is to block our view of reality and what we could possibly see during takeoff.
And stay off the internet. I just can't with these people.
Not sure what you mean by water “finding it’s balance”, but the movement of water is largely governed by gravity constantly pulling it downward. Hence water always flows downhill (unless there’s enough pressure or a blockage downstream that prevents it from doing so).
The earth and oceans in general are squeezed into a spherical shape because that’s how gravity behaves with sufficiently large masses. That’s why the Sun, the other planets, and any moon or asteroid over 300km in diameter are round. It’s the lowest energy state that an object can take in a gravitational field.
Check out this brainwashed fool. He believes his middle school teacher knows the shape of the earth. Lol. He also thinks the “air” rotates with the earth and that an unprovable “force” can pull billions of pounds of ocean water around a ball. Lol.
But that same magical force doesn’t drop clouds carrying billions of pounds of condensation from the sky. Unless someone turns the gravity on and it rains.
He thinks we should see the North Star every night in the same place because the earth “tilts” that way. Lol. I know. Absolutely retarded indoctrination.
I can’t wait to hear his rebuttal. Maybe he’ll explain what his 7th grade prof said about why the same constellations appear in the same spots every year for thousands of years when we are rocketing through space at Mach 88.
He doesn’t realize the truth yet. Poor dummy. The Great Awakening will happen without him I guess.
The Coriolis force demonstrates that the atmosphere does indeed rotate with the earth.
Not only is gravity a very probable force, but that force is generated in part by the very billions of tons of water you describe. Every object, every particle with mass, generates gravity. It’s a weak force for relatively small masses, but on a planetary scale the forces add up.
Clouds stay in the sky because gravity isn’t the only force at work. There is buoyancy caused by atmospheric density and temperature, which varies both by altitude and latitude. Those billions of pounds of water vapor are not concentrated like liquid water because it’s not in a liquid state (hence the term water VAPOR).
Constellations appear in the same place for thousands of years because a) they’re dozens to hundreds of light years away, and b) because they’re orbiting around the center of the galaxy in the same direction and roughly the same orbital velocity. Eventually the constellations will wander due to slight difference in velocity, but over a time period of tens to hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaking of constellations, the very fact that the constellations precess around the earth in a precise and measurable manner is what allowed ancient humanity to accurately measure the diameter and curvature of the earth when the Great Pyramids were built. This is why the Great Pyramids encode both the radius and diameter of earth at the precise scale of 1:43200.
If you’re going to spout about how round earth is some great deception, at least present some facts.
It took a lot to break my programming. What got me is the obvious lies about the ‘world fairs’ it’s easier to accept the lies when you start to see them everywhere.
My big hurt is more attached to the terrible way the Native Americans were treated. The shape of the earth won’t stop people from waking up but the absolute hatred we’ve been taught toward other cultures - that has to be remedied.
He believes his middle school teacher knows the shape of the earth.
Everyone with a triple digit IQ does.
He also thinks the “air” rotates with the earth and that an unprovable “force” can pull billions of pounds of ocean water around a ball.
If you don't believe in air, try holding your breath or driving without a windshield. The force of gravity increases linearly with mass so the amount of water is irrelevant. That unprovable force is keeping you in your chair right now, otherwise you would freely float away like you see people doing on the space station or those Russian zero-G planes that fly along parabolic trajectories to simulate weightlessness.
But that same magical force doesn’t drop clouds carrying billions of pounds of condensation from the sky. Unless someone turns the gravity on and it rains.
Air contains water vapor that mostly comes off the oceans. Similarly to other gasses in the air, it doesn't fall out of the sky because the buoyancy of the air overcomes the tiny amount of gravity pulling down each molecule. As the concentration of water vapor increases and relative humidity surpasses 100%, the air can no longer contain the individual water molecules and they start to bunch up into tiny droplets that we see as clouds. When these droplets collide and increase in size they reach a mass where gravity overcomes the buoyancy of the air and they fall down as rain.
He thinks we should see the North Star every night in the same place because the earth “tilts” that way. Lol. I know. Absolutely retarded indoctrination.
In the northern hemisphere, in the same location, on a clear night, you do see the North Star in the same place every night. In the southern hemisphere it doesn't appear in the sky at all, I wonder why.
Maybe he’ll explain what his 7th grade prof said about why the same constellations appear in the same spots every year for thousands of years when we are rocketing through space at Mach 88.
That's because these constellations are incredibly far away so our local movement, though fast in the context of daily life, is so insignificant their position hardly changes at all during our lifetime (but it does measurably change). One day you'll learn what a lightyear is, then you'll maybe understand. Stay in school!
That is cute, but no one will ever convince me that the earth isn't flat.
Our house has a courtyard, and one of our exhaust pipes is lined up exactly below the north star. No matter what time of year it is, or what time it is, the north star is still there in that same exact spot. How is this possible if we are spinning at 1037 mph, speeding around the sun at 66,660 mph, at a tilt of 66.6 degrees (90-23.4), and EDIT: SHOOTING THROUGH SPACE somewhere between 526,282 mph and 457,970.
According to several online calculators...if I set a lazer 6 inches above the water level on one side of Lake Texoma, the lazer will be 42 inches above the water level three miles away. (6+36 due to curvature). Yet this doesn't happen for some reason. Almost as if level actually means level. Go figure.
Why do flight manuals and NASA training materials clearly read "assume a flat earth with zero rotation"?
Why on the Red Bull extreme high jump does the horizon look flat when they open the door to the capsule and only shows curvature when looking through a fish eyed go pro?
These examples can go on and on.
I always wondered why the airlines sometimes made us put our shades down on takeoff and only let us put them up after we were above the clouds. I believe that this is to block our view of reality and what we could possibly see during takeoff.
BTW..can someone show me an actual experiment that shows how gravity works and makes it a fact rather than theory? I can sure show you a million reproducible experiments using Archimedes Principle, Buoyancy and Density.
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Also what a coincidence that a lot of these numbers they give us are Satanic: tilt of 66.6 degrees, moving through space at 66,600 MPH and also the curvature they say is 8 inches per mile (or .666 feet per mile). Honestly how can anyone who datefags or looks up deltas and matches up other numerical things miss or ignore these kinda blatant, in-your-face numbers...
Exactly. I wanted to make that in bold but am pretty clueless. According to everything I have read, which makes the calculator wrong, you would figure it at 8 inches X miles squared. In this case 8X(3*3) or 72 inches. Which one calculator did give me. That's a lot of drop over three miles...
But but you forgot to add the math of how the universe is ever expanding, so that surely, somehow accounts for your exhaust pipe/North Star dilemma... no?
Blinded me with Science.
Now, can we talk firmament... and then NASA? Or how about the fact that earth's moon is the ONLY known "satellite" in the observable uni-verse that doesn't rotate on an axis (we see the SAME side of the moon- always) as any planet, moon, asterois, meteor etc doea? And how a lunar or solar eclipse casts an exact size shadow of each other? Odds are flat out astronomical
I somehow forgot the "shooting through space" part in "and somewhere between 526,282 mph and 457,970." oops
All major moons of Jupiter are tidal locked and even one of Saturns. There's more, but just de-boonking your ONLY know "satellite" nonsense. Have a great flat-Earth day. LOL
Yeah, its almost like someone set it up that way...lol. I dont think most people here would dispute that. What does that prove though besides intelligent design? There is literally more conclusive evidence that the earth is round than there is that England had Kings and still no one flat earther can explain why the sun is up in china when its down in the continental united states.
It's called tidal lock. That's what keeps the moon locked that way. Because, science.
Goodbye.
The moon does rotate on its axis, it just does so in sync with its orbit around the earth, thus presenting the same side to the earth at all times. This is called tidal locking. Io is tidally locked to Jupiter as well, as Enceladus is to Saturn. Those moon’s rotations are more obvious because we’re not observing them from their respective planet’s surfaces.
If you’re going to spout about how evil and incorrect NASA is, at least educate yourself on the topic first before you embarrass yourself on the internet.
The moon does rotate on an axis. The fact that you don't know this is astonishing.
Lunar and solar eclipses do not cast shadows of the same size, who told you this garbage?
Uni = one Verse = fictional world
Also, the Earths firmament has been fundamentally misunderstood.
The notion of the firmament being a glass or ice dome above the earth comes from an 19th century scientist (who’s name I can’t recall at the moment) who explicitly stated that he got the idea from pagan mythology.
A better reading of the creation of the firmament indicates that it refers to the earths crust. When the crust was created, it divided the waters on the earth into two, roughly half trapped below and roughly half left above. Denser parts of the crust sank through the lower ocean to connect with the earths mantle, these are the pillars/foundations of the earth mentioned elsewhere in the OT.
During Noah’s flood, this crust ruptured and allowed the lower ocean to jet out and cover the entire earth as Genesis says. Side effects and chain reactions from this effect created all geological features that you see today. Debris from the earth was ejected into outer space, creating asteroids and comets, some of which impacted the moon giving it its distinctive dark spots. Other forces created all current radioactive elements, changed how long the month and the year were, and sorted Flood sediments into the layers that are mistaken to indicate millions of years of evolution.
More details and scientific evidence, see The Hydroplate Theory by Dr Walt Brown. He goes over the scientific evidence for everything I just described and more, along with more general arguments that support creation over evolution.
its almost like the earth is special somehow... despite what they want us to believe about being just one of countless identical planets. From what I understand, their attempts to measure cosmic background radiation also proves that our solar system is the center of the universe.
https://www.crowrivermedia.com/hutchinsonleader/news/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/letter-more-proof-earth-is-at-the-center-of-the-universe/article_4e7665c1-83ae-58a3-87ac-faff519d35ed.html
Earths axial tilt is not 66.6 degrees, it is defined as 23.4 degrees.
Earths orbital velocity is an average figure since earth slightly speeds up and slows down over its orbit. This number can also be expressed as 107,183 km/h.
Earths curvature can also be expressed as 20.32 cm/1.6 km, or 12.6 cm/km.
The number of the beast is 666. Not 66,600, not 0.666, not 66.6. Also, just because the number of the beast is 666 doesn’t mean everything with 666 in it is satanic. This is one of the most common and egregious misinterpretations of Revelation.
You’re deliberately cherry picking data and units to make 666 appear where you want it to be. The fact that you go actively looking for 666 says more about you than it does NASA.
your argument is disingenuous. masons (NASA) use the imperial system. These measurements are derived from their supposed science. why is the number 666 a recurring theme here? This list is far longer than just these 3 examples.
Incorrect, NASA has used the metric system since 1990.
Also, my point is that which measurement system you use is arbitrary, so you’re arbitrarily using the imperial system to make 666 show up because you think that proves something.
Also, if Freemasons were in charge of NASA and/or the govt in general, why would they lie about something that should be so easy to disprove? Why not tell the truth about the big stuff to earn more credibility to cover their lies about things more important to their agenda, like Covid?
What on earth does the cabal gain by lying to people about the earths shape? I have not heard any convincing argument beyond vague, incoherent references to Antarctica, which few if any civilians travel to in the first place.
And the earths axial tilt is defined from the vertical, not from the horizontal.
Changing the definition of earths axial tilt to artificially make 666 show up is disingenuous. You flat earthers love 666 so much I’m starting to think y’all are satanic.
For one this number is associated with one man, one time….Period. It isn’t magical. It has NO power. It isn’t bad luck.
Because the stars are really, really, REALLY far away, and the motion isn't detectible without extremely precise instruments. But, over time, it moves. The North Star wasn't always our true north. Ancient Sumerian texts describe other stars, such as Sirius and Betelguese. Vega, the brightest star in Lyra the Harp will eventually become our North Star in about 13,000 years.
Did you know? There are Sumerian ceuniform tablets that describe not only past, previous north stars, but describe ALL of them (as in, when they repeat), around one full rotation around the galactic core? ANCIENT knowledge.
Do you guys have any other arguments other than "it dun non gun nebber make sense to me"??
That's not true at all. Don't lie.
Watch on Rumble: What on Earth Happened - Full Documentary or Parts 1 - 13. They are 20-30 min segments that will tell you how you have been duped.
be careful about what you believe from our fabricated history lol. "Ancient knowledge" kek
Then why does it all add up if you actually understand astronomy?
thats what I keep asking myself. I actually do understand astronomy. I understand orbital mechanics and physics and quantum physics. How could all of these things work so perfectly within our current model if theyre wrong?
I think Michio Kaku might have given us a hint when he commented that what surprised him the most, is that the parallels in the texts of the Zohar and Kaballah and physics are astounding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PhilosophyofScience/comments/2be7wm/kabbalah_physics_is_there_anything_to_it/
I also believe there is a quote from Einstein somewhere that "it matters not if you consider the earth to be moving through the universe at break neck speed or if the earth is standing still and everything in the universe revolves around it- with the calculations for relativity working either way." Of course thats my paraphrased understanding of what was said. What this means is that you cannot prove the earth is moving through observation, and it merely becomes a debate on philosophical grounds.
Here's my current line of thinking- would it be possible for a superior intelligence to devise a model of physics that functions for 99.999% of observation, but is still flawed in such a way as to obscure the truth? What do Jews say about their supposed superior intelligence? Who gave us general relativity? Why does the surname Stein seem to be connected to so many of our current worldly problems?
That’s your argument?
“I’m right because all of history is wrong!”
That is the most arrogant argument I have ever heard. That’s as arrogant as commies saying: “well that wasn’t real communism! I can do better!”
you argument is taking a demonstrably fabricated history and using it as some sort of proof of a moving North Star. you have 0 physical evidence of it having ever moved. and then you use NASA, an organization made up of freemasons and nazis as evidence that it will be moving in the future too. we just need to wait 13000 years kek.
and you call me arrogant. perhaps you need a mirror.
I have been in a corporate jet. Flying above 33,000 feet. I have seen the curvature of the earth. Or should I not believe my own eyes..
Same here. I used to get on an airplane twice a month. The earth was curved each time. Don't know why this is up for debate.
Guess you have never noticed the shape of your windows either.
Curved windows do not distort light nearly as much as you think they do.
Source: studied optics in a college physics class.
Which is not a "lens." Duhhh
Those windows you are looking out of probably distorted and curved. Most all of them are. Watch on Rumble: What on Earth Happened - Full Documentary or Parts 1 - 13. They are 20-30 min segments that will tell you how you have been duped.
Stop, please stop. Earth is not flat
You can even see the curvature in pictures flat earthers point to saying "sEe LoOk YoU cAnT sEe ThE cUrVaTuRe!"
Let the flerf hate RAIN REEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!! u/#peperee u/#peperain u/#feelsgood
The windows in airplanes are all curved, like looking through a fishbowl.
why does it look just as curved when you're on a high mountain? it must be because your eyeballs are round...lmfao. Ok, back to reality: watch a ship go over the horizon and try to get a laser sight to maintain contact. If it was flat this would be possible. No need to believe me. Try it your self and learn something first hand.
Doesn’t look curved at all from high mountains. Looks flat.
This is the exact illustration of sheer ignorance informed by stupid arrogance. You certainly don't know enough about optics or airplane windows to prove that this is true---for if you did, you would quickly realize that it isn't true. (Speaking as a former optical engineer who worked on intraocular lenses.)
Well, I ain't never seen no fish while flying..so meh.
That because it's stronger,the plane is pressurized.
Those windows you are looking out of probably distorted and curved. Most all of them are. Watch on Rumble: What on Earth Happened - Full Documentary or Parts 1 - 13. They are 20-30 min segments that will tell you how you have been duped.
If you are above a disc the edge will appear curved. The illusion of a globe can be achieved.
What illusion is preventing you from thinking about where the sun is in china when its up in the united states?
Well if you've ever been to a concert, that thing over the stage with all the lights and PA and shit is referred to as the "rigging." A very loaded word already, innit?
So the sky is like a super-complicated rigging, and it's attended to at all times to give the correct "sky picture"/lighting etc for any given place at any time of day.
I don't see what's so hard about this.
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u/#mikeyep
Many questions. Few answers. Mostly emotional denials. Let's launch some nukes at the sky, Dominic.
Many stupid questions, many smart answers, all of them ignored because flat earthers aren't interested in observable facts. They're simply too stupid.
Observable facts..what I go on are exactly that. What are your observable facts? I'm not the one depending on lab coats and 13 years MINIMUM spent in a government indoctrination facility.
I was home-schooled so i have less indoctrination than someone like you who believes people who tell him the earth is flat when he could have just gone outside and said to himself "hmmm the sun is down and its night time now. Where is it daytime now? What part of the flat earth is it daytime now? Wait if its flat shouldn't it be nighttime everywhere? Is that true? Hmmmmm?"
ROTFLMAO
Nobody is depending on lab coats, when they have known the truth since Magellan's circumnavigation, 500 years ago. Join the party.
I can 'observe' a boat on the water on a clear day miles out..see more of the actual boat when you view from a higher location than from a lower location on the shoreline. That's pretty 'observable' proof right there.
The 66,600 orbital velocity number is an average figure. Orbital mechanics demonstrates that the Earth will slow down a bit at its aphelion (furthest point from the sun) and speed up a bit at perihelion (closest point to the sun). This is true for all orbits as they’re all slightly elliptical.
Axial tilt is 23.4 degrees, not 66.6. Taking the complement of axial tilt and calling it axial tilt just so that you can get a 666 somewhere is inaccurate and disingenuous.
Just because Revelation says that 666 is the number of the beast does not mean that every number with 666 in it is satanic. By necessity at some point in human history there were 666 humans on the planet. Does that mean we’re satanic?
The North Star actually moves ever so slightly in the sky, your eye just isn’t sensitive enough to detect this. The North Star is very closely aligned to Earths spin axis and is also 323 light years away, that’s why it doesn’t appear to move very much.
I obviously can’t see the result from your laser experiment, but other flat earthers have performed similar experiments and accidentally proven that the earth is round.
NASA and flight trainers sometimes assume that the earth is flat because it simplifies calculations in situations that don’t require that level of precision. They don’t make this assumption all the time, and it’s called an assumption for a reason.
The earths curvature is clearly visible from a plane at cruising altitude, and one’s view is not always obstructed by clouds. Airlines are not trying to hide anything from you except the fact that their pilots are dropping dead from the jab.
Flat Earthers are at least blowing their own money and proving with each every attempt to vindicate their stupidity that the Earth is indeed round.
But those are some solid, indisputable facts!
And yet you offer none? Surprise surprise..btw..some of you need to look up the definition of facts.
He doesn’t have to offer facts. Flat earthers already proved the earth is round for us. How generous of them!
I would encourage everyone to watch on Rumble What on Earth Happened - Full Documentary or Part 1 - 13. They are 20-30 long and will explain how we have been duped.
You’ve copy pasted this comment dozens of times in this thread.
Copy pasting pseudoscience from Rumble isn’t going to get you anywhere.
What is 90 degrees minus 23.4?
Not earths axial tilt, that’s for sure.
Dude, 90 degrees minus 23.4 is 66.6 degrees. Is that a coincidence? Do you believe in coincidences now? They made up the tilt- and it directly relates to the number of the beast. Along with a plethora of other numbers involving space and a round earth.
I know, it’s a hard one to wrap your head around. The cognitive dissonance is tough with this subject. My advise is to dive into what flat earthers believe and try to prove a globe.
Riddle me this: If the sun is up in the continental united states where is the sun in china?
If that concept is over your head (no pun intended) then maybe that's the same reason you think the earth is flat.
Oh you like lasers, smarty guy?
https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/science-and-future/flat-earther-accidentally-proves-earth-viral-clip-561193.html
My brother has a plane,I've watched the horizon from 0 to 20.000 feet.
Looks as expected.
I actually am leaning more to torrid earth though I will not dispute flat earth. I sort of love not knowing! The majesty of God is everywhere.
I don't say flat. It's misshapen but not a globe spinning around the sun. I'm happy with as much as the Bible shares.
Except that we DO know and you're willingly choosing ignorance. This is one of the many reasons you fundamentalist types that go to this extreme have ZERO business being in any government office.
What’s weird is that I would be considered a fundamentalist Christian, yet I believe in a round earth because that’s what the evidence points to.
I don’t think it’s even fundamentalism that drives flat earthers. For whatever reason they have this insatiable desire to a) be right about something without proving it, and b) having some “secret knowledge” that makes them feel superior to us peons who have been “duped”
I’m definitely not a fundamentalist at all. I do have a college degree, but I question everything. I do power line work, so science is important, but even electricity we know so little about.
And my opinion is earth is likely not flat, but toroidal but I don’t even have enough proof of that.
Except that you don't know anything. It's a sad life for those who MUST have answers to everything, makes you very susceptible to indoctrination.
He does know because he has a magical thing called evidence. You don't know because you have a diabolical thing called willful ignorance.
If you’re going to assert that we’re indoctrinated, you’re going to need to do a better job than “muh 666! NASA bad!”
You have failed to make a single accurate statement in your defense of flat earth, not have you demonstrated how a flat earth does not violate every known law of physics. Why do you call us ignorant and indoctrinated when you can’t defend your own theory?
I got a3 day ban for saying basically the same thing.
Easy, the Jesuit brainwashed globies are gonna be losing their minds.
You're not wrong. The reason why humans used the stars to navigate thousands of years before NASA is because they are predictable and we are not rotating spinning spiraling or zooming anywhere. Open up Antarctica and the truth will be known. Polaris is key.
Cavendish experiment, I have seen the device but never seen the experiment performed. That being said, if the earth being flat is more ridiculous to you than believing we are spinning faster than sound at all times without flying off or getting crushed by gravity at the poles. Idk what to say.
Also the sun rays through the clouds... Makes the sun look like it's really close
Of course you don't, because you're an idiot who couldn't pass middle school physics.
NASA is ran by nazis. ANYONE DEFENDING THE GLOBE EARTH IS A NAZI!
Oh I'm sure of that, flat earthers aren't interested in observable facts.
That's because the North star aligns with Earth's axis of rotation so it's always in the same spot in the sky while the rest of the sky rotates around it (why do you think that is?). Also, citing high cosmic speeds as if we should somehow feel them is more proof of your ignorance. You see, space is a vacuum so there's no drag and the speeds are constant so there's no acceleration or force to be felt, like you don't feel anything when driving on a highway. And wouldn't you know it, earth's tilt times two is exactly the difference between peak sun angles on the winter and summer solstices. It's like the changing sun angles caused by the tilt are causing seasons or something, wild I know. Also, the air largely rotates along with the Earth's surface (there is drag there) so we don't live in 1000 mph winds. Rotation is measurable in the Coriolis force and it causes the general east to west movement of global air masses.
Because in addition to being round, the Earth is really, really big, and any high jump altitude is too low to make out a curve. Put your eye against a beach ball and see if you can tell that it's round. Also, what would you expect a round earth to look like, your back yard curving out of sight? How small would it be then?
But it does happen. In the movie Behind the Curve flat earthers try proving their theory with just such an experiment only to end up proving it's round. They also buy a very expensive gyroscope which proves the Earth is rotating at 15° an hour, much to their dismay.
Go back to middle school.
And stay off the internet. I just can't with these people.
"I just can't" - no shit, you'll note I'm not actually arguing now that they found this post....
And OH THE DOWNPOOTS
Lawd.
Not sure what you mean by water “finding it’s balance”, but the movement of water is largely governed by gravity constantly pulling it downward. Hence water always flows downhill (unless there’s enough pressure or a blockage downstream that prevents it from doing so).
The earth and oceans in general are squeezed into a spherical shape because that’s how gravity behaves with sufficiently large masses. That’s why the Sun, the other planets, and any moon or asteroid over 300km in diameter are round. It’s the lowest energy state that an object can take in a gravitational field.
Through finding its balance, river water ends up in the oceans. They're simply the lowest spots on the crust of the Earth.
Check out this brainwashed fool. He believes his middle school teacher knows the shape of the earth. Lol. He also thinks the “air” rotates with the earth and that an unprovable “force” can pull billions of pounds of ocean water around a ball. Lol.
But that same magical force doesn’t drop clouds carrying billions of pounds of condensation from the sky. Unless someone turns the gravity on and it rains.
He thinks we should see the North Star every night in the same place because the earth “tilts” that way. Lol. I know. Absolutely retarded indoctrination.
I can’t wait to hear his rebuttal. Maybe he’ll explain what his 7th grade prof said about why the same constellations appear in the same spots every year for thousands of years when we are rocketing through space at Mach 88.
He doesn’t realize the truth yet. Poor dummy. The Great Awakening will happen without him I guess.
OMG
The Coriolis force demonstrates that the atmosphere does indeed rotate with the earth.
Not only is gravity a very probable force, but that force is generated in part by the very billions of tons of water you describe. Every object, every particle with mass, generates gravity. It’s a weak force for relatively small masses, but on a planetary scale the forces add up.
Clouds stay in the sky because gravity isn’t the only force at work. There is buoyancy caused by atmospheric density and temperature, which varies both by altitude and latitude. Those billions of pounds of water vapor are not concentrated like liquid water because it’s not in a liquid state (hence the term water VAPOR).
Constellations appear in the same place for thousands of years because a) they’re dozens to hundreds of light years away, and b) because they’re orbiting around the center of the galaxy in the same direction and roughly the same orbital velocity. Eventually the constellations will wander due to slight difference in velocity, but over a time period of tens to hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaking of constellations, the very fact that the constellations precess around the earth in a precise and measurable manner is what allowed ancient humanity to accurately measure the diameter and curvature of the earth when the Great Pyramids were built. This is why the Great Pyramids encode both the radius and diameter of earth at the precise scale of 1:43200.
If you’re going to spout about how round earth is some great deception, at least present some facts.
It took a lot to break my programming. What got me is the obvious lies about the ‘world fairs’ it’s easier to accept the lies when you start to see them everywhere.
My big hurt is more attached to the terrible way the Native Americans were treated. The shape of the earth won’t stop people from waking up but the absolute hatred we’ve been taught toward other cultures - that has to be remedied.
Everyone with a triple digit IQ does.
If you don't believe in air, try holding your breath or driving without a windshield. The force of gravity increases linearly with mass so the amount of water is irrelevant. That unprovable force is keeping you in your chair right now, otherwise you would freely float away like you see people doing on the space station or those Russian zero-G planes that fly along parabolic trajectories to simulate weightlessness.
Air contains water vapor that mostly comes off the oceans. Similarly to other gasses in the air, it doesn't fall out of the sky because the buoyancy of the air overcomes the tiny amount of gravity pulling down each molecule. As the concentration of water vapor increases and relative humidity surpasses 100%, the air can no longer contain the individual water molecules and they start to bunch up into tiny droplets that we see as clouds. When these droplets collide and increase in size they reach a mass where gravity overcomes the buoyancy of the air and they fall down as rain.
In the northern hemisphere, in the same location, on a clear night, you do see the North Star in the same place every night. In the southern hemisphere it doesn't appear in the sky at all, I wonder why.
That's because these constellations are incredibly far away so our local movement, though fast in the context of daily life, is so insignificant their position hardly changes at all during our lifetime (but it does measurably change). One day you'll learn what a lightyear is, then you'll maybe understand. Stay in school!
One day you’ll learn you can’t see as far as a light year.