What is this thread all about?
Just a place for general discussion. A place to unload whats on your mind and talk about anything - personal, health, help needed, achievements, daily highs and daily lows, theories, predictions and what have you.
Does not need to be Q related.
Well, I'm excited. My bday is Friday 10-28! First time a Q and I'll be older than dirt. Lol not really 46. Very excited to see happens this last week of Red October.
I know it wasn't da plane Question, which I just delved into today. Did anyone hear of David and Lynn Angell being killed on flight 11 on 9/11/2001?
I was reading somewhere and it caught me as a red flag! I looked it up. And David's brother is an Arch Diocese in the Carholic church. Very interesting, I thought.
If 9-11 isn't real, how did this famous TV writer and producer, plus his wife , get killed on flight 11? Idk , just odd.
I do know someone that was on the plane that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania. She disappeared on that day.
Oh, I'm sorry. As a friend of yours, that must be hard to swallow. Esp since we don't know exactly what happened. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend bubbles. 😔
One thing I have learnt in the process of trying to seek the truth is to separate out disproving a certain theory, and proving an alternate theory in its place. Many people get entangled between the two and never go forward.
For example, we can easily disprove the theory that a few terrorists managed to take control of the 4 planes and crashed and destroyed the WTC and created huge damage to the Pentagon, purely by crashing into these buildings.
Some evidence to disprove - The way the towers collapsed, the removal of evidence at ground zero, the building 7, the footage of pentagon crash, the ability and skills required to steer a 747 accurately into a specific landmark, the passport photos of the terrorists found in the ground zero, the supposed phone call from the plane, and on and on and on.
Does this mean 9-11 is "not real" ? Definitely does not mean 9/11 did not happen. Just means it did not happen the way we were lead to believe.
But we can disprove the official version of 9/11 very easily.
Now we get to the next step - what really happened? What happened to the people on those planes? How did the buildings really collapse etc.
We can deduce answers for some easily. Whatever hit into the buildings, they collapsed as if they were demolished and there is evidence to believe that explosives had been placed inside.
So did the planes crash into the WTC? It's possible, but in this case probably not flown by a terrorist, and did not cause the buildings to collapse.
If the planes did not crash into the WTC did they hijack it, and did something to the passengers? Quite possible.
Do we have first hand examples of people we know who were on the planes? One of my friend was in the towers and I can confirm he passed away. I also know plenty of people who know someone who passed away in the towers.
I have never met anyone who knew someone in the planes and this has always stuck me as odd.
All that being said, the least credible evidence is "famous TV writer and producer, plus his wife" because it's not first hand info. It could easily be part of the narrative. Arch Diosese in a chorch is probably comped by the Cabal and maybe just playing along.
Infact I remember at least two more cases of family members of celebrities whow ere supposedly on the planes. The very fact that so many people related to celebrities were supposedly on the plane makes me think that part of the conspiracy was fake.
You are probably right. The reason I hesitate to claim that so confidently is that I have never seen what the ground looked like right after the supposed crash, and also never seen a good definition video of the actual crashes.
If this is indeed the case - as in those planes did not crash into WTC - I am more interested is in figuring out the second part - what actually did happen with the planes.
Possibilities for the 3 planes that supposedly hit the WTC and Pentagon:
The flights took off with actors or flights never existed, and all the casualties are fictional identities / in witness protection / CIA families
Flights took off with real passengers, but they were destroyed elsewhere.
As for Flight 93 - I believe someone on board figured out what was going on, and they had to destroy the entire plane.
Thank you, very well put. I was reading somewhere today and saw this information. Can't lie, red flag. So I delved into a little more, with my limited research. I just found it very odd. They had just celebrated their 30 anniversary, and happened to be on flight 11. Plus, after reading David and Lynn's background. One article says he served at the Pentagon ( I don't recall when, he was supposedly in army. ) And wife was a librarian. After that reading and then with his brother being Arch Diocese , hmmmm. Most of us know 9-11 was not caused by planes. Imo. But that me. I have not heard of other " so called " famous people dying in 9-11. I am whoever behind the times. Lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0A_vW2AfOk
This is an interesting multiple rabbit hole! There was a supposed phone call from the plane, which was later disproven. Its the only first hand account that spun most of the narratives about what happened in the planes, including "box cutters".
But hey guess what she wrote? Book 1 Book 2
Hahaha, these people are stupid.
Oh my Wow! Thank you. I listened to Ted Olsen , and looked at the books you had me to check out! She had written books against HRC! As far as I can see, with your info. Whoa! So, let me ask, between this info and the Angell info ... how did these people die? If they did. We know 9-11 was not by airplane. It was bomb or whatever initiated. Either way Bush did it. So, why all these elaborate stories, esp from a Solicitor Gen?
How to carve a pumpkin:
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/118/548/661/playable/f06f2b78760c0e8f.mp4
That is very clever… I love that. You always have some great tips on things. Thank you for sharing.
Ah, the wisdom of experience. Had to prune the jasmine at the back of my house, a lengthy job until I used a hedge trimmer. Done in a fraction of the time. There are always short cuts. :)
I love the way Jasmine smells!
We are currently trying to build a Prayer Garden testimony thread. If u are part of it in any way, or would Just like to share your thoughts, please click link below and comment on the post. We need as many voices as possible. https://communities.win/c/GreatAwakening/p/15K6XWzWwp/my-thoughts-on-the-prayer-garden/c
According to NationalToday.com, today is International Stammering/Stuttering Awareness Day. I know who immediately comes to my mind. Does anyone think that something involving the number 25 may happen today?
Why number 25?
Together we are strong. Together through Christ we have endless potential
Come grow with us at Prayer Garden.
Do u suffer from addiction, loneliness, anger, resentment, hate, depression....well come fellowship with us so we can help lift your spirit and walk with u as God does the work within u to help you break free of your bondage. https://discord.gg/sngRVxKtyU
Thanks for the invite, but I have never been addicted to anything. Jesus busily helps me with any others as needed, except getting Discouraged from what EJGeneric told me are "PAID shills" whatever they are, zeroing out my posts that you kindly Upvote. Thank you :)
Just upvoted those threads in Christianity. Will do more later. Oh that's a good thing to add to the list. Discouraged. Not everyone there is an addict. We have people from all walks. Glad to hear u have never been addicted to anything.
Well, maybe I can say that I have stayed ADDicted to Jesus :) plus my passions...:) in soul+Mind+body
Too, my DIScouragement (re platform haters here) past 3 months has risen & Risen & risen :(
Haha to funny. Well we dobt wanna help u get past that addiction because that's what we are trying to get everyone addicted to. The list I listed addiction...loneliness...ect...with the added discouraged...I believe are things most people here are suffering from. We are just trying to help them feel part of something. Love them so they can begin to grow in Christ. U already have that connection so we more offer friendship and a place to be yourself and shine in ur own God given gifts. Someday we will have our own app and I will make sure we have how to videos that can guide u through all your questions because I know u got a little lost when u came to #prayer Garden. It's a slow process though. I am up to 3 coders though and 1 in real life so we are slowly building a team to get this app done
Yeah, I figured that you would get a kick out of me Admitting...
that I have stayed ADDicted to Jesus :) plus my passions...:) in soul+Mind+body
Someone with zero history, contacted me privately on GAW to say the mods are compromised, included a bitchute link. Anyone else getting this stuff?
The mods are compromised. Be wary. from listfullistener sent 2 days ago This is what the Deep State actually believes: (at bitchute) edited after fren said its horrifying permalink block mark unread reply
Yeah this has been happening. Thanks for letting know, if you receive the message from a different userid, please inform us.
No I have received nothing like this from anybody. Also might want to put a warning on the link that you provided. It’s very disturbing content. I mean most of us are awake here, but somebody might click on it who is new and will be shocked and horrified
Oh goodness, I did not watch it. I’ll delete it!
Well thank you for doing that, but I didn’t mean for you to delete it, just a warning label. There is truth in there, and that video, it was just so disturbing I couldn’t watch it. God bless you and have a great night.
God Bless you🙏🏻
Don't know why, but this song came to me this morning. Seems prescient for our era 🤔.
Johnny Thunders https://youtu.be/MbAmRwAdvCs
Today is the 60th anniversary of President Kennedy's televised speech regarding the Cuban Missile Crisis
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cuban-missile-crisis
It's exactly 17 days until the Midterm elections and this is President Trump's last scheduled rally. Does anyone else find that odd? Normally I would think his rally schedule would be full coming right up to the election. But there is nothing on the books.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/events
I don't think that is unusual. The one tonight seemed like it popped up last minute.
I've had to use my weighted blanket for the past couple of nights and I am sore. It's a workout just to sleep. 😆 I took melatonin last night and slept until 5:00; that's better than 2:20 the night before!
Magnesium is good to help you sleep..so is nutmeg..but be careful..a few swipes with a greater in your hot chocolate is plenty... dangerous to overdose.
I found hayfever tablets the drowsy sort better than sleeping pills for me.
Benadryl helps me sleep. I can’t take melatonin, because I get really intense demonic dreams. Always have. I stay away from that stuff
The same thing happens to me and I can't take it for that reason! Valerian root is good, though...
I need to check out magnesium. I don't think I take it.
Or watch a golf tournament on TV. Beautiful weather, low action, everybody whispering. Great sleep stimulator.
ME TOO! I’m lucky if I get to sleep, and then if I don’t I’m up till 230. L O L but my mom is the same way. Sometimes I’ll toss and turn, then I’ll get up to go to the bathroom, and she still up sitting at her computer. She’s 82! She has an account year though so I’m sure she’s busy here sometimes lol
It does make me sore. It keeps me warm, but it is heavy. I like it, though.
When I go through my own sleepless pattern, I usually wake up around that time. If I sleep through it, my husband gets up to use the bathroom, and I wake up. There's something about that time!
I have two bedjets. They blow warm or cool air between your sheets. Heavenly. It also takes the weight of the blankets off your toes.
That sounds delightful! We may still have our blanket. I need to check for it.
Have you tried a heated throw rug instead of the weighted blanket ?
I usually use a nicely thin comforter and fold it double so it's thicker, but it was colder for a couple nights this week, our heat was turned down low, and my husband insisted on using the fan. I had to use the weighted one. I have others I use as well so I can throw them off if I get too hot.
If you are going to waken in the middle of the night, it is always around that time, seems very common. I read somewhere a long time ago, it is the hour when we should pray, in the ancient monastic times, it was called Matins. Try lighting a candle and say the Lords Prayer, and repeat the mantra, "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on me, a sinner". Over and over, it may help. Try to resist turning on your phone, or puter or whatever screen you prefer, it will not help. 3 am is an Angelic hour.
Thank you for that! Every now and then, when I do wake up and when he is still asleep, I will get up and get on my tablet. I do try to make it a priority to pray and relax, if I'm going to be awake.
It could also be related to blood sugar dropping. If you have complex carbs if any kind prior to going to sleep, you will chew through them within about 6 hours and then BS drops. Even if you aren’t diabetic - it happens. I’d suggest trying a protein shake prior to going to sleep to see if that helps?
Well it’s settled…
Many articles on the Internet, from that web MD, etc., tell you to eat complex carbohydrates before you go to sleep because it will help you sleep.
So I agree with what you said. If it’s on the Internet nowadays, I’m pretty sure it’s the exact opposite. They claim that it promotes tryptophan, and so on and so forth… But aren’t complex carbohydrates technically really bad for your health overall?
We really shouldn’t be eating them at all, much less before you go to sleep. Of course we will have them in our lives, it’s impossible to completely eliminate them from your life, unless you’re going full keto.
But I have so many problems sleeping I’m gonna try doing a protein drink before I go to sleep to see what happens. Thanks for the tip, I actually think this might work.
I don't have a problem with it as I used to thankfully, but eating better, not working, and getting back into better shape have helped a whole lot!
I can say that since my metabolism has increased, I have to eat every few hours or I get sluggish. I simply cannot go too long without eating.
Affectionate fish - lovely way to to start (or end) the day
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/118/511/521/original/af68072c236cac9b.qt
Awwwwwww! I have a pit that looks a lot like this one. He’s an animal lover, too. He protects the ducks, cats and little dogs.
Thank you for sharing this. They always get a bad rap, and it’s not the dog, it’s the owner.
We cannot fix this world, nor change the way our society operates, without changing ourselves. A broken society is created by lots of broken individuals. The problem is that evil found ways to exploit our brokenness, to increase it, to mislead us, but in the end, it's our brokenness they exploited.
None of us received the love, the warmth and the true acceptance we needed when growing up, because our parents were damaged, our families were damaged, and their parents were damaged, and their parents were damaged, and so on and on. Parents and children and families inheriting pain and damage from those who came before.
It started somewhere. It started with the collapse of the first family, where fratricide was the fruit that generated trauma that reverberates down the ages. But where did such violence spring from? How was it possible?Because the first parents came together, not under a blessing of grace, truth and unselfish love, but had already collapsed into selfishness, brokenness.
Much of what has been written may be wrapped in mystery, ideas and subject to wide interpretation, but this profound truth has been offered to us.
When the first couple left the garden, before they began their family, they were already deeply broken, and they never, ever reached their potential to love each other.
Since then, all of history has been a recovery program, starting from a central point of restoring faith. Faith lost in the Creator, and the Creator restoring that in us in which He could also have faith.
Faith? Belief? Love cannot exist without faith, and faith requires truth and true knowledge. Yet, each of us grew up in a society and world where we were taught myriad, potent untruths about ourselves: that we are unloveable, that the world will not respond to our needs, that we cannot trust others, and that there is no real answer to the suffering of our broken hearts. And that our broken selves are all we have.
If these untruths were not taught in words, they were at a minimum taught by experiences. Yet, they are not the truth.
As we search for ourselves, and strive to become the people we are created to be, it's when we find and learn to receive love from the Source that we begin the process or being 'reborn', reborn into a lineage and family that was always our original destiny, but which our very first ancestors lost.
In that family, there are no enemies, except the one that would destroy true, honest, unselfish love. When we can look beyond the surface, and recognize in those that are striking out in lies, in untruth, in false purposes, when we can recognize that they are the saddest, most tragic victims, then we can begin to fight back, fully, truly, but not in anger, not in hurt, and not in fear, but with true love, fusing compassion with truth, accountability with stern desire for justice, not as broken people, but as warriors of the way.
in learning to love and see ourselves as he sees us, and love each other as he loves us, our eyes become less jaded, less distorted by the lies, and our hearts begin to heal. We begin to see others and love others as he sees them, as he loves them.
The healing is not only a life-long process, it is a age-long process, a millennia-long process. But who, we can ask, are the recipients of thousands of years of healing, possibilities being opened up, greater and greater levels of grace being made available? Us. You and I today.
Walking and indeed fighting in love and truth, we dispel the forces of the enemy with true unselfish love, and pioneer liberation for ALL our people. Not all will make it right now, but renewed, healed truer selves, and a renewed, healed, truer society is the destiny that all humanity shares in.
And it might be delayed, but nothing can stop what is coming.
Well said fren. In the modern world the problem you are describing comes about in a very simple manner. It all starts with people, even as kids, unable to be content with oneself. This only happens because people are unable to love themselves.
We have been made to believe that our value is based on what we do, what we achieve. Not simply because who we are.
We are constantly seeking something more, and never happy with who we are, and hence never being able to love ourself. We have become Human Doings, not Human Beings.
This can be traced back to stopping believing in God. If you believe in a universal power, whether you call it God or not, then being a creation of this power automatically makes us worth loving. We dont need to prove anything to anyone, least of all to ourselves.
But once we reject this idea and believe we are just random chances that happens in a chaotic world, we have to prove our existence to be able to love ourselves. And here in lies the true problem.
If a parent cannot love themselves there is a deep void in their heart, and they impart this void to their kids, and they to their kids and so on.
All healing starts from accepting that we are a creation of something infinitely more powerful than us, and that we are worth loving.
I am not too sure of your idea that if we don't love ourselves then how can anyone love us? (if thats what you are saying)
People can love us despite who we are.
Hmmmm. No, that's not what I was attempting to say, and that theme of loving ourselves is not really a big theme in my mind. In fact, the idea of "loving myself" has often been exploited and co-opted by narcissistic tendencies.
If I can simplify what I'm saying, its that historically, and currently, we have been broken people. That brokenness actually began at the point in history that scripture points to, and it has been inherited and amplified down through subsequent history.
The brokenness manifests in how we see ourselves and how we see each other. The cause is a separation from God. Separated from God in our hearts, we become unable to see as God sees, and unable to love as God loves.
The solution begins with first reconnecting with God, and by building a relationship with God, restoring our capacity to see as God sees, and love as God loves.
God sees the truth of who we are, and who others are. However, in our society, we are born to parents in families that are still separated from God on some level, and so we learn to see ourselves not as he sees us, and we cannot therefore love ourselves or anyone else, as God does.
We don't really need to make an effort to love ourselves. What we really need to discover is HOW God loves us. How God sees us. Once we begin to see ourselves as he sees us, then our hearts can begin to heal, and love will flow automatically.
If we love ourselves but NOT from God's viewpoint, that's narcissism. But if we learn to see as God sees, we love ourselves, not from our own selfish perspective, but as he does, and in that, we move across the barrier of brokenness, and our capacity to love - others, as well as ourselves, begins to be restored.
Likewise, if others love us but NOT from God's perspective, then that love is on some level dysfunctional.
Learning to see ourselves and others as God does is the key starting point. From an energetic level, you could say that this allows us to resonate with God's love.
I'm not really talking about what happens if we don't do X. I'm talking about what the situation is, the causes, and how it can be improved or resolved.
hope that helps.
No, the idea is that if we dont love ourselves, we are broken and we will break others around us. Its got nothing to do with being loved by others.
Very simplistic examples:
Parent who doesn't love themselves will push their kids to achieve what they perceive they should have achieved, in the process teaching those kids that they are not lovable as they are.
Person who does not love themselves seeks extreme validation from their spouse creating a toxic relationship.
Most narcissistic / co-dependant toxic relationships are the direct result of people not being able to love themselves as they are.
I am not to keen on who I am but I am not broken or even fractured, as you say, its just an idea. As for breaking others around us if we don't love ourselves, not true.
They might try to mend you out of love for you and quite possibly succeed. Why do you discount other peoples love? It not an abstract intellectual exercise or idea, it is real.
Yes no where in the Bible does it tell us to love ourselves. I found that very interesting when I learned it when I was being discipled by some very close friends of mine.
However it does say to let the Lord your God, and to love your neighbor. I cannot think of one scripture where it says to love yourself. Very intriguing.
However from a psychological perspective, I do believe that excepting who you are in Christ, plays a huge part in how others perceive us, and what type of energy were putting out there.
But 58 I’m finally getting it. But it’s taking me a lifetime. My only wish is that I would have surrender to God sooner. I could’ve avoided so much misery.
I wrote the above without direct references to scripture in order to offer a broader perspective that speaks in less dogmatic terms. However, I believe everything I've written is borne out by scripture.
In regards to your comment, a very noteworthy point - You remembered, but not completely:
e.g Mark 12:30-31
So, there you have it. If you do not love yourself, can you love your neighbor as yourself? Obviously not.
How to love God? With all your heart, soul, mind and strength.
How to love your neighbor? As yourself.
Now, you can interpret this in a number of ways, all valid (imo).
Firstly, you must love yourself and then likewise love your neighbor in the same way.
Secondly, you can love your neighbor AS IF that neighbor is in fact you.
In other words, look at your neighbor (friend, colleague, random person in the street, any person) and see; "Gee. There goes me!" And then love that person. In doing so, you'll be loving yourself!
But either way, the scripture is to "love your neighbor as yourself". You cannot simply delete the "as yourself" part because you don't like it!!! I think the clear implication is "as (you love) yourself".
Read what I wrote again. Think about this point: We have been taught or learned all manner of untruths since we were born. Some, because those around us knew no better. Some, because our society is flooded with such untruths. But the real truth is this: that there is a true us inside, a true me that is a reflection of, and an expression of, God's own love.
Anyway, here are a few more to ponder:
Proverbs 19:8 Whoever gets sense loves his own soul; he who keeps understanding will discover good.
1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all that you do be done in love.
(so, should you think of yourself or deal with yourself or treat yourself WITHOUT love? If so, you'd be contradicting this exhortation from Paul.)
1 John 4:8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
(So, again, how do you see yourself, treat yourself, value yourself? Surely, it must be with love.)
But I think it MUST be emphasized: there are two types of love. God's love (original love) and fallen, corrupted love. Love separated from God is not love, but decadence. Therefore, in loving oneself, just as in loving others, or loving creation, or loving God even, the key point is to learn to SEE with God's eyes and God's heart, from God's perspective. Loving oneself but not from God's perspective leads to narcissism and corruption. Just like 'loving' others, but not from God's perspective, leads to the same.
"Oh, darling, please abandon your husband, your family everything, because I love you!!!!" ~ What a lie. That's NOT love. It's something else.
Very well written! Thank you for the scriptures and your thoughtful reply.
Thanks for your response!
Imo religions emphasis on sin..unworthy...going to hell...not going to heaven as you don't say the right words..guilty of sin before you were born.....dont .believe the same stuff I do..inferior to me..you won't go to heaven blah blah blah
Are the most unloving and damaging words and coming from anyone professing to be a religious person never mind a Christian who is supposed to love everyone regardless of who or what they believe and as for turning the other cheek and give up your worldly goods etc..forget it ..it doesn't happen
Millions of evangelicals in USA...all saying they are followers of a man who told everyone to love one another .....And yet America constantly at war for profit against their neighbours
You make straw arguments....
You make assumptions about a first couple based on an untrue rendition of the facts
Who is the he you speak of?
Do you refer to source as a masculine energy?
Omg - that’s awesome girl!
Take it away rooftop, take it to the bridge!
this is fantastic