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The use of phosgene gas is a war crime under the Geneva Protocol. (media.gab.com)
posted 3 years ago by undine53 3 years ago by undine53 +359 / -0
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– MICHIGANisRED 28 points 3 years ago +28 / -0

We've been hit by a chemical weapon and most people don't even know it happened.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Not a weapon, a chemical. It was once used as a weapon. There is plenty of industrial use of chlorine. Are you going to call that a weapon?

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– MICHIGANisRED 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Do you trust the people who decided to "burn it off" and cause widespread contamination of air and water? I don't. Hence my use of the word weapon.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Oh, you would have trusted these people if they sat on their ass and waited for the vinyl chloride tanks to explode, create a huge vapor cloud, settling close to earth and permeating the surroundings for maybe a mile or more around? Do you ever think your way through the alternative?

Weapons are instruments of intentional harm. (I used to build them, so I know.) Are you trying to say that the fire in the journal box was intentional and timed? Are you trying to say that the derailment was intentional and timed? Are you trying to say that the impending failure of the vinyl chloride tanks was intentional and timed? Wow. You must be an expert at making houses of cards.

You don't have to "trust" these people. Maybe they made a mistake, only to be known in retrospect. But lack of trust does not prove deliberate malice, and this is where you have to distinguish between what goes on in your head from what goes on in reality.

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– MICHIGANisRED 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Okay, I'll say "possible weapon" or "potential weapon" from now on. I would hate to be lectured at again for being hyperbolic on the internet.

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– BerlinWallCrosser 18 points 3 years ago +18 / -0

The question is now, why is there so much of this and who controls it?

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– Goldenhawk 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

...my question is why there was no wheel detection system in place if NS was granted permission by the NTSB to transport these highly volatile chemicals https://www.frauscher.com/en/solutions/wheel-detection https://www.lbfoster.com/en/market-segments/rail-technologies/solutions/rail-monitoring/track-monitoring-systems

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– BerlinWallCrosser 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Good point! This should be an individual post.

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– undine53 [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Indeed.

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– Temon_and_Langerine 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

My Chat GPT findings

Me: What about phosgene? [Asked about chemical properties of the chemicals involved in the train explosion]

ChatGPT: Phosgene is a colorless gas with the chemical formula COCl2. It is a highly toxic substance that was used as a chemical weapon during World War I. It has a sweet odor similar to that of freshly cut hay or grass, but this odor may not be noticeable until it is too late to take protective action. Phosgene is also used as an intermediate in the production of other chemicals, such as isocyanates for polyurethane foams and coatings. Due to its toxicity, it must be handled with extreme care, and exposure to even low levels can cause serious health problems, including lung damage and death.

Me: So are there any modern applications for phosgene? Or is it purely a chemical weapon?

Phosgene has some industrial applications, primarily in the production of chemicals such as isocyanates and polycarbonates, which are used to make a variety of products, including coatings, adhesives, and plastics. However, its use in industry is strictly regulated due to its toxicity and potential for accidental release. Phosgene has also been used in the past as a chemical weapon, particularly in World War I, and its use as a weapon is now banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention.

Me: So how is it legally transported?

Phosgene is classified as a hazardous material, and its transportation is subject to regulations and requirements set by government agencies in various countries. The transportation of phosgene is highly regulated and requires specific permits and licenses. The handling, storage, and transport of phosgene are also subject to strict safety procedures and guidelines to minimize the risk of accidents and protect human health and the environment.

Me: So if a train derailed with that chemical, what would be the consequences?

If a train derailed and released phosgene, the consequences could be significant, depending on the amount of the chemical and the conditions at the time of the release. Phosgene is a toxic gas that is heavier than air and can spread quickly, potentially exposing people to harmful levels of the chemical. Phosgene can cause respiratory issues and can be fatal in high concentrations. Those who are exposed to phosgene may experience symptoms such as coughing, chest tightness, shortness of breath, and even respiratory failure. In addition, phosgene exposure can cause lung damage that may not show up until hours or even days later. A phosgene release could also have environmental impacts, depending on the amount released and the location of the release.

Me: So if you combine all the above chemicals in inquiry, what would happen if a train caught on fire 20 minuted before it derailed, right next to a massive body of water?

It's difficult to predict exactly what would happen without more specific information on the quantity, concentration, and specific circumstances of the chemicals involved, as well as the nature of the fire and the proximity of the body of water. However, a potential scenario could involve the chemicals igniting or reacting with one another, causing an explosion or fire, and releasing toxic gases and fumes into the surrounding area, which could be harmful to people, animals, and the environment. The nearby body of water could also potentially become contaminated with the chemicals, posing additional risks to aquatic life and potentially affecting drinking water supplies for nearby communities. The response to such an incident would require a coordinated effort from emergency responders and trained professionals to contain the situation and mitigate the damage as much as possible.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Except that phosgene was not being transported. It was the combustion product of burning the vinyl chloride, which was the substance being transported.

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– Temon_and_Langerine 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I was illustrating the point of the hazardous nature of phosgene But thanks brother Appreciate the feedback

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– LongTimeListener 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The infiltration of chatgpt into the conversation on this site is repugnant. Why are we using a pedo death cult tool for anything?

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– Brent75 [M] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

It’s fine in some responses. And some Anons feel using Chatbot actually can assist in countering all the lefty BS. Funny thing is, it does about 50% of the time. Kinda like how they created the Internet for their purposes, and it has backfired on them into The Great Awakening vs. The Great Reset.

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– LongTimeListener 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Furthermore, I liken the use of chatgpt to allowing the fox into the henhouse.

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– LongTimeListener 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Thanks for the reply Brent. I dont like it one bit and am very skeptical of its value to our movement. I havent had a problem with those posts that explore the mechanisms of chatgpt and try to deconstruct it. But I do when its used to create a narrative. I respect you as a Patriot though, and while I will continue to post my suspicions and distrust, I will defer to the mods wisdom and no longer deport all the posts I see mentioning chatgpt.

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– Brent75 [M] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Trust me haha, I’m in the group to actually do my own research on the net and in a library. I don’t need A.I. trying to tell me what’s correct or not, knowing it was 99.9% programmed with personal bias by a tech-lefty. But if it can assist at times to nuke the left’s narrative, it’s just more ammo for us to say, “See! We told you so!”.

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– hanksno 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Use their own weapons against them. I like that idea. On the subject of the Internet, I often wonder if it was a miraculous gift to us by some angelic power that knew we would need a resource like that to amass against our oppressors. Maybe it is they who tried to use our weapon against us in this instance, but failed miserably? But I don't know much about who created the Internet and why. I assume you do. The opposite could equally be true. All I know is, my personal awakening began when I got my first laptop sometime after 9/11 and the info just poured in.

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– Brent75 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

The greatest army is an educated and united people. The Cabal thought so in getting the internet going to all, and then flooding it with propaganda. But factual information was also flooded out beyond their wildest controlling dreams. Their own weapon backfired yes, severely.

Now was it divine? Not initially thought up no. It was initially thought up as a quicker military communications system that common people could use just like a telephone. But divine intervention was certainly at play once the Cabal decided to connect the World. With their plan of the Great Reset, the spark of the Great Awakening was easily provided right under their noses. And somehow, yes divinely, connected to all the necessary people to grow it. So here we are.

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– hanksno 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Thank you for the background. Kind of reminds me of the magician's apprentice.

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– Temon_and_Langerine 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I'm saying that even Chat GPT recognizes the facts I did my own research on other sites to verify this

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– TrumpWon17 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Fuck the Govt.

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– DeathRayDesigner 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Deliberate use against civilians in time of war is a war crime. An industrial accident is not deliberate use. (There have been worse. Anyone remember Bhopal, India?)

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– deleted 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0
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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Except that it was.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Ah, there you may have a point, and investigation is in order. I don't remember such a spate of fires in that industry. Unusual. If there was workforce turnover due to the covid lockdowns and mandates, it may be associated with a lapse in safety practices.

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– heebiejeebie 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

not one person has given a reason why those chemicals were not transferred to tanker trucks and hauled to their destination. that's not rocket science. they drilled holes in the tanks to let the slop drain into a ditch and burned. pure negligence or attempted mass murder!

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– DeathRayDesigner 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

No. Vinyl chloride is a gas at room temperature and pressure. The tanker contained liquid vinyl chloride which is maintained at a high pressure in order to be liquid. The failed journal box on the train caught fire. The fire was increasing the pressure of the vinyl chloride. The choice was: (A) do nothing and let the vinyl chloride tanks explode, turn into vapor, and descend upon everyone, or (B) pre-empt the explosion by draining the tanks into a burn ditch where the vinyl chloride could be safely converted into carbon dioxide, water, phosgene, and hydrogen chloride. Admittedly, it was more like a five of one, seven of the other kind of choice. Not negligence. Just a bad set of options.

There was no option to transfer the vinyl chloride. Not enough time to muster the required equipment and trained personnel, and no assurance that the plumbing would be oriented to permit evacuation of the tanks. It is by no means clear that any such equipment exists, because it would not have been a standard occurrence. It was, after all, a train derailment scene.

Pay attention to what is being carried on the rails. This is the way we transport many dangerous chemicals, because any other method involves more danger. Pipelines are not practical for most of these chemicals. Tanker trucks are exposed to more hazard on the highways. Things you wouldn't imagine (like molten sulfur). Our modern industry depends on these chemicals. Like I mentioned elsewhere, this has been so for nearly two centuries. These events are rare, but what has happened recently is not a bolt out of the blue. Past events have come and gone, and we have no social memory of them if they did not affect us personally.

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– Msmisfake 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

You make a good point that this is something that could have been an accident and they didn’t have a good solution and had to choose the best of 2 evils. However if it’s really the case that it’s an accident, then why the media blackout? The media was more than happy to publish up to the minute covid deaths for 2 years..

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– hanksno 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Also, why did the CDC edit their phosgene profile two weeks before the derailment? They did the same thing with midazolam, the drug used to kill elderly patients in quarantine during the first wave of 'covid' deaths. With midazolam, the CDC increased the prescribed dosage to a lethal one on their website, which medical practitioners referred to during that time. During this time of silent war, I don't believe there are coincidences.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

It was an accident. It is not reported because it occurs under the watch of present Department of Transportation head Pete Buttigieg, who must not be criticized or blamed (although some of that is happening anyway). It's all a matter of whose ox gets gored.

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– GodLovingPatriot 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Why are their multiple hazardous chemical derailments and tankers across the country. All at once. Acts of war.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Two accidents, one on rails and one on the roads, in different places at different times, out of how many under way? "Two" barely qualifies as "multiple." The nature of random events is that they are not uniformly distributed, so there will be occasional "clumps" when events occur close together. This is called "coincidence," and it is a fact of life. No acts of war. Learn more about the volume of chemical products carried by rail and you will be amazed at how few accidents there are.

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– GodLovingPatriot 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

What a joke. There a many many many this week. Are you fucking kidding me?!

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

"many, many, many"? How many? Let's face it; these events do not last in memory. Remember the Gold King mine fiasco? Remember the Mount St. Helens eruption? Remember the explosion of a natural gas pipeline in Bellingham, Washington? These things happen.

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– ImaSueDeNym 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

This is the most rational, well informed, and clearly conveyed post I've read about this entire incident. It's like this is the first time people have ever heard that trains are being used to carry hazardous material around the country. Or that certain chemicals can only be handled in certain ways.

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– RobinOfTheHood 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

If it's a gas at room temperature and pressure, would it not have reverted to gas on release? If not, why not and if so, how do you drain that into a ditch?

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

It still takes time for the evaporation to happen, which is why they were at pains to get that drained and lit as quickly as possible. Boiling water turns to steam, but does a pot of boiling water turn to steam all at once? (They apparently dug the ditches in place and used shaped charges to puncture the tank walls. Easy drainage if the space above the liquid was filled with compressed gas.)

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

No contradiction. You have to appreciate how much chemical product is transported by railroad. It is immense. All the time. We just don't pay attention because it is safely transported and there is no upset. Accidents are rare. And it is simply more cost and risk effective to deal with a spill than to attempt a risky process of transfer pumping. When an automobile is in an accident and a fire has started, do we first think of pumping out the gas tank? Inconceivable. And no equipment for it. Plus, even the equipment would function only in controlled settings. A derailment is anything but that. Safety is obtained by careful procedure and well-designed containment.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Well, this sort of thing doesn't happen "daily." The idea is for it not to happen at all. And it does seem that there was contingency planning to the extent of knowing what to do in order to prevent a tank explosion (worse event). In this case, a deliberate burn was necessary in order to consume the vinyl chloride on the spot.

You have to realize that fire extinguishers are for the purpose of dealing with a minor fire. If there is a major fire, we have fire departments equipped and ready to handle it. For chemical shipments, unless there is a minor leak that is not progressing, there is no such thing as a "minor fire." And there are no fire departments. Safety depends on defensive design practice and transportation procedures. We are lucky to have anyone available in the event of an emergency to advise crisis response and remedial action. In the final event, vulnerable bystanders must be evacuated. There is no timetable to work to. Sooner is better, but you don't want to jeopardize safety with haste.

Sometimes the completely unforeseeable happens. I read of an incident where a tanker truck of liquid oxygen developed a leak and poured its load all over the asphalt roadway. No big deal? It turns out that liquid oxygen + asphalt forms a deadly sensitive high explosive, so they had to prohibit anyone on the roadway until everything had warmed back to ambient temperature.

The other thing, that doesn't seem much considered here, is that the truly responsible party is the railroad company. I am surprised that journal boxes in railcars have a potentiality for catching fire (but grease and oil are combustible). The direction to "Keep on going" was surprising, but it may have been desired to get the train to the nearest siding that could take its length, so as not to block the line for following traffic. The actual cause of the derailment is also of concern (we had derailment sabotage from environmentalist activists in our neck of the woods, several years ago). In my own view, people have too cavalier an attitude toward the railroads, not realizing that they are important to us and that nothing should be done to compromise the integrity of the tracks.

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– PatriotEazy 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

11.5 anyone?

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– Brent75 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Hmmm and who made them do this? Who encouraged this action, let me knock on Mr. Noggin. Hmmm could it be…..

https://youtu.be/vN7o6w-ST_w

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– DrinktheCovfefe 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

That's at least 2 in 2 years, should we be reading the convention articles like a playbook?

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– needorganization 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Have, thus far, gotten away scott free.

Why should they care? As Biden says, 2nd Amendment doesn't matter since we can't having planes and missiles and such. They laugh in our face and couldn't care less.

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– Temon_and_Langerine 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

First, Nuremberg Convention, now Geneva. Love the constant violations here

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– All_in 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Doesn’t phosgene go into mustard gas?

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– DeathRayDesigner 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

No. Completely different chemical structure.

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– OffGridGuy 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Crimes only matter if you have a functioning justice system that applies to everyone, which isn't the case anymore. There is a different set of rules for us versus them.

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– MuckeyDuck 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Exactly. Try spilling a quart of fuel oil in your yard and you will have hasmat trucks racing to your house, will be fined, and will be required to dig a whole as big as your house to contain the spill.

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– eagledriver 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

UUUUHHH OHHH!!!!!!! WOWZA...

Chemical Warfare on CIVILIANS...OOPS... On an questionable note: WHO GAVE THE DAMN ORDER TO BLOW THOSE TANKS???????

Something just isn't smelling right!!!!!!!😨😨😨😨😨

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– SneakyWino 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Yeah, that explains all the dead fish and frogs. Watch the water!!!!

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