First, we have a Red Skull thread on 4chan.
RS being a LARP or not aside, it’s interesting that’s RS is tying this to a Jesuit civil war and Nancy Pelosi losing her power in Congress.
This got me thinking about the ongoing trial with the Vatican and its shady $400mil real estate deal in London. So I looked up if there was any recent developments in that case.
On Thursday, the head of the Vatican Bank finally testified in court on his involvement in the real estate shenanigans.
In Thursday’s 46th session of the Catholic Church’s marathon corruption trial, the president of the Vatican Bank said he had no choice but to report to prosecutors what he knew about the London real-estate deal at the heart of the inquiry, even as he faced pressure from officials at the Vatican’s Secretariat of State to approve a loan worth hundreds of millions of euro to bail out the failed investment.
“The time had come when the institute had no other choice, given the circumstances created and the uncertainty reached. The only thing that could be done was to file a complaint with the tribunal,” De Franssu told the court.
Really recommend reading that article; it’s very juicy.
We also have new bishops being appointed that apparently are raising eyebrows.
Article: Saturday was a Doozy as the Vatican Took out the Trash
Apparently Saturday afternoons are the Vatican version of the White House dumping bad PR info on Fridays so no one pays attention?
Anyway, some highlights from the article regarding this practice and how they tried to keep four new controversial clergy members getting promoted under the rug.
In the Vatican, Saturday morning is actually a work day, so its equivalent of taking out the trash comes in the noontime Saturday news bulletin. The calculation is that anything announced therein will be largely ignored, since, in Italian psychology, Saturday afternoon is the prelude to the sacrosanct calm of Sunday.
This past Saturday brought a doozy of a trash dump, with the announcement of no fewer than four bishops’ appointments, each one of which, under other circumstances, might have triggered at least a small-scale media sensation.
First bishop is in Sierra Leone:
The cavalcade began in Sierre Leone, where Pope Francis tapped Bob John Hassan Koroma as the new bishop of the Diocese of Makeni, located in the north-central part of the country about 120 miles from the capital city of Freetown.
What makes the choice noteworthy is that Makeni has been a vacant episcopal see since 2015, and it hasn’t had a residential bishop since 2012. In January of that year, Pope Benedict XVI named Henry Aruna the Bishop of Makeni, but he wasn’t ordained until a year later, and in Freetown, because the clergy and people of his new diocese refused to let him in.
More noteworthy to me is this guy:
Next, the Vatican also announced on Saturday that *Lithuanian Father Rolandas Makrickas, * who’s been acting pro tem as the special commissioner of the papal basilica of St. Mary Major since December 2021, has been confirmed in that role and elevated to the rank of Archbishop.
What make this move curious is that, like the other papal basilicas in Rome, St. Mary Major still has an Archpriest who’s theoretically in charge in the person of 77-year-old Polish Cardinal Stanislaw Rylko, former head of the Pontifical Council for the Laity who’s been at St. Mary Major since 2016.
Aside from the fact that Rylko is an old-school Catholic conservative associated with the Pope John Paul II years, and thus not really Francis’s cup of tea, there have also been persistent rumors of financial irregularities at the basilica, which were compounded by shortfalls caused by the coronavirus pandemic.
Still, the confirmation of Makrickas as “commissioner” – an extraordinary role which, by definition, is usually designed to be temporary – raises a couple of questions to which, so far, we don’t have answers.
First, if the situation is so bad, why doesn’t Francis simple fire Rylko and appoint new leadership? Why keep him on the books, only to assign most of his authority to someone else? And, second, if the problem is money, is the solution really to appoint a former official of the financial administration of the Secretariat of State, several of whose erstwhile colleagues are currently facing trial for their roles in a $400 million London real estate fiasco?
Finally, this stood out to me re: Bishop O’Connell. Especially considering Francis’ own questionable background in Argentina and women and children going missing during the war. This is from the LA Times article on his death.
He was the chairman of the interdiocesan Southern California Immigration Task Force, helping coordinate the church’s response to immigrant children and families from Central America in recent years, and was key in sponsoring the enrollment of several young immigrants in Catholic schools — several of whom have advanced to college.
So my question is: can we link this guy directly to Pelosi and/or her husband?
Because having groundbreaking Vatican trial news and a hush hush Vatican press release about new bishops all within 24–72 hours of a bishop getting shot definitely feels related.
Everything is corrupted- this is Satans domain. A ‘church’ is only as good as the people in it. I do not denounce my American citizenship just because America is a corrupted shithole- neither do I denounce my catholism b/c of of the Vatican. I stand firm & await for Christs return and pray for my enemies. God will separate the wheat from the darnel at the end.
I agree wholeheartedly. Also, the church’s leadership in the centuries following the great schism were possibly even more corrupt than today
I see where you are coming from. I agree on God being the only one who decides who makes the cut in the end.
But, as someone baptized Catholic who gets familial flack for not going through communion and confirmation, I cannot in good conscience attend and support a corrupted system.
I have no say on who the Pope is. I have no say on which priest winds up in charge of my local parish. But I do have a say in who runs the country through my vote. As I cannot vote a Priest in, I must voice my dissent for Catholic corruption by not supporting the institutions that allow the corruption to occur.
By doing that you are basically denying visiting Jesus b/c he sits in a den of thieves & tax collectors. Swallow your pride & see going to weekly service for Christ. Not for the pope - not for the priest- but for your relationship with Christ. Like visiting with your dad 1 hour a week. The graces received by celebrating mass & taking communion far outweigh any of Satans efforts in this world. THIS is how we fight Satan- This is what putting on the Armor of God is. These graces also extend to your family & loved ones - like light emanating. Christs light.
One can be with Christ without going to a physical Church.
For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”
I am always astounded by how people assume they know what is best for me and my relationship with Christ.
Fren, all things considered? I should be dead. I am only alive because of the grace of Christ and a guardian Angel who decided I was worth saving in an accident that should’ve killed me.
One can go to Church wherever the Holy Spirit guides them to find Christ. For me, that isn’t Catholicism.
In the book of acts when the apostles formed the first church where and how did they worship. The liturgical mass of today has no resemblance of our true roots. Why? "Roman" catholic should provide a small hint. What was religion like for Romans? How did that effect the catholic church when Constantine declared Christianity the state religion? Constantine was both head of the catholic church and the pagan church. Roman temples had statues of gods. Cathedrals have statues of Saints. The apostles went to synagogue on Saturday and celebrated a communion meal together on Sunday. Read acts. See the issue when the gentiles complain the food is not being fairly distributed at the communion meal and they were not getting enough to eat. It was an actual meal. Yes they broke bread, but the breaking of the bread was traditionally done at the meal. This meal was apparently in someones house. Like the last supper was in a borrowed hall. When we accept Christ he comes and dwells in us, not in a building. Where three or more gather there I am also. The first churches were small home groups, and I believe the last churches will be small home groups. We Christians are the new priesthood and Jesus is our high priest. We can all beeak bread at home and celebrate communion. Find a good home Bible study group to join. Meet with brothers for coffee to read the word often (iron sharpens iron). Start the one year plan to read through the word once every year. Celebrate communion often with your home group.
Yes I do believe there will be small home groups -because we will be persecuted again like in the early days- Christians will worship in hiding. But as for now -being in a group of 400 people all saying the Our Father at the same time is extremely powerful. Luke 22 14-20 This is my body - which will be given for you; do this in memory of me. & Mathew 16 vs 18. Peter- upon this rock I will build my church & the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Yes I agree that praying the Our Father with the body of believers is really a powerful thing. I know what your saying.
Matthew 6:7 NLT — “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again.
Jesus was a jew. How did the jews pray? Old Testament psalms are a great example.
Context is important: Matthew 16:16-18 NLT — Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being. Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.
You are Peter ( petros: small rock or stone in Greek). Upon this rock (petra: large cliff huge rock in Greek). What is "this" large rock? Peter or the subject being discussed in context?
"because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you...upon this rock"
You're not alone. There's a massive group of Christians who also protest against corruption in the Catholic church.
They're called protestants.
I did communion but not confirmation. I was agnostic then atheist for awhile, now I'm reconsidering. Possible deist I guess. But I definitely can't support an organized religion that split from the actual Bible, that just doesn't make sense. Might as well be Mormon* at that point.
Reconsider- there is more there than an organized religion. I too was raised catholic then went new age & Buddhist- but God has called me back. I first went back saying I was going to go through 1 liturgical year of masses. That led to me getting confirmed last year. My view is more 40,000 ft view now. I’ve come to the realization that my ancestors passed this gift of faith on generation after generation. Who am I to deny it or denounce it? Our ancestors did get some things right. I now thank them & bless them for it as it has strengthened my own faith & resolve to see Gods plan fulfilled.
Thank you for sharing, CabalBot. The writings of the early Church Fathers from the first centuries, before there WAS a Bible to read, show how the liturgy is the same and the beliefs are there from the beginning. I attend every week and took pains to find a parish where the Mass is offered with reverence and following the rubrics. That said, the mess that is Bergoglio's pontificate is the fulfillment of prophecy and scary as heck. Jesus said He is with us all days and the gates of hell will not prevail. That is my hope.
Yes but He also said You are Peter & upon this rock I will build my church & the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it- Matthew 16 vs 18
I agree. Preaching to the choir... :) I do not believe Bergoglio to be the pope for several reasons (which have nothing to do with whether I like him or not). Check out Ann Barnhardt's site. Barnhardt.biz
Lots of way smarter people than me have reached this conclusion. Explains a lot.
"Your Funny" !!! Jesus Christ !!! I'm funny as well . . . I'm sure that there are a few of us "Funny Fellow's" here scratching our old bald head's !!!
You can follow the Bible according to your own reading and not be a Mormon. Following the Word is what matters, not denomination.
Try the Methodist church. Great messages and Bible-based sermons. I didn’t think I would ever join another church when I stopped being Catholic a few years back but it was exactly what I was looking for. Perusing a specific church’s website or online bulletin is a good way to see if they share your values. Methodist’s are dedicated to public service so their charitable campaigns are a good indicator of the congregation’s values.
"Peter, you are rock. And on this rock I build my church. The gates of hell shall not prevail against her." Mt 16:15
The church is the mystical body of Christ. It is not perfect, but it is the best we've got. Satan has infiltrated the Church at its highest levels - the "smoke of Satan" has been in the Vatican for a long time. That doesn't mean that we abandon the Church. We are living through times when every institution is being infiltrated. That does not mean every institution should be eliminated.
Yeah, we aren’t going to agree on this.
All this and still the faithful don't see how utterly corrupt, depraved and venal this fake religious system is.
It has definitely been wholly corrupted.
That's Satan's whole goal, from a strategy standpoint if you can weaken or take away your enemy's weapon you'd be a fool not to! People can't fully turn from God if we're to have any hope of rebuking the wicked one, that's how we got into this mess. Purge the corruption, harshly, and restore Christ's bride to her purity. Right now I see it as the devil is trafficking the once spotless bride as a lowly night walker and people think that's how she is supposed to be
The Vatican is not the Bride of Christ. It is the ANTICHRIST! It is not part of His Church. It is corrupt because it is a tool of Satan. It always has been. Their doctrine clearly sets itself above God. A mere man cannot forgive sin. 500 years ago they were killing people who believed in Jesus. Research the reformers. Martin Luther and others told us the Vatican was the Beast power/ Antichrist.
I agree the current Vatican is more luciferan than Catholic, a pope who hides the cross from Muslims at a meeting as to not offend and hypocritically tells us to disarm and let in illegals as our brothers while having an armory and a restrictive property himself is not an example I'm going to follow. As Jesus intended the church is His bride but she has been corrupted far from her original intent. I'm not even gonna bother with touching the claim Martin Luther has any weight behind his word, I've seen Lutheran and a number of protestant churches flying the faggot and freak flag letting them speak as pastors, letting them get married and pretending it's blessed by God, women pastors etc. in way too large a number to ignore while I traveled with my wife. I'm not gonna pretend the current Catholic church is all good by any stretch of imagination, but turning from God for people who remove multiple books from the Bible and pervert so much while ignoring multiple commands and hyper focusing on those they like is certainly not the answer. it sure needs a lot shaken and for people to take Our Saviors words to heart about millstones, oceans and children, only I believe He said what happens to those who offend the little ones who believe in him, their fate should be worse than that.
You don't know what the antichrist is if you claim that it's the Vatican.
Seriously the Antichrist will be loved by the entire world & will be charismatic - that is not the pope. lol Obama was closer to being the Antichrist tbh. However in Marian apparitions she states he is here currently walking this earth and is about to step onto the world stage. She warns that even looking into his eyes on TV he can hypnotize people.
It is so corrupted that they even let us pray for the evil for long time. Thanks God we know now.
Unfortunately the Catholic Church isn’t alone. Large swathes of Christendom in general are infiltrated.
Well, interestingly, there is the occasional exception - my lady friend is Catholic (too much so, she really has been afflicted with high levels of Catholic Guilt) but she does differentiate between the religion and the organization. I'm not sure she agrees just how many centuries back it goes (in my opinion, to the Romans themselves) but she is definitely aware of the modern Church's issues.
Thank you - yes there are many of us who were born and raised Catholic that still consider themselves a Christian Catholic but went on a Faith quest for one reason or another. While we hold our relationship with God we totally believe that the "Church" has corruption, not necessarily all priest and nuns but we don't blindly follow, we are free thinkers and can still have our faith in God.
Yeah basically my view of Organized Religion is it's more about control than spirituality. Since we can't really know, whichever flavor works for you is OK as far as I'm concerned. But almost every sect that I'm aware of, the Organization part at least, is more about control and also Our Sect Is Better Than The Other Sects - for example, I was raised RC myself. In my high school, there was a fundamentalist Southern Baptist who was convinced I was going to hell. It's like really?
Edit: I do not consider Islam an "OK flavor if it works for you."
There will always be a level of control inherent to following a God who gives us commands. What one needs to do is find out if a certain group is pushing their own control schemes and simply using Him as their shield, or if they're simply preaching the Word of how God desires us to live our lives.
It’s so sad. The church leaders have strayed FAR beyond “the body of Christ” and veered onto a corrupt, evil path.
It's cost them dearly. Jesus knew that, and that's why He said "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." The Light never fails. Not ever. https://nibjournal.org/voices/healthcareafternde/
I vaguely remember something from George Webb (years ago when his YT channel was hot) about Hunter Biden being involved with Catholic Charities and connections to the adoptions of children (in Florida) from abroad (Ukraine). Illustrated how the children are "laundered" with new ID'S. Eveyone was making money on it with lawyers and it all had a veneer of "legal" and "helpful". I suspect you are on to something similar in this post
I think Webb was seriously onto things but the information he was putting out was so far ahead of where we seekers were as a community that he ended up looking like a schizo. But he was deep into the secrets of dyncorp, battelle, and the catholic church. I feel like he brought so many potential deep dives to light but nobody dug in that direction, and if they did- their posts and comments have long been deleted in all the reddit purges and all the short lived alternatives.
People need to be awakened one step at a time.
It is a shame that a lot of that info was lost and is no longer easy to access. I am sure it is archived somewhere and I know he was working to get that information into the hands of "good" actors. Maybe he made a bigger difference than we see... IDK. He is still doin his thing. But yes; one foot in front of the other is how we walk.
Godfather III = Vatican Bank?
Snow White = JPMorgan?
The hammer guy at Pelosi's has to be related to all this....so is the "exorcism" that she said she had performed afterwards, but the church said Nope, they did not do one... different faction?
Could Paul be getting trafficked sex slaves from the church...?
I kind of wonder if there is a buried connection, because when I Google search for “David O’Connell Nancy Pelosi” you only get results highlighting David DePape (hammer man) and Mitch McConnell talking about Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan.
There is also another Bishop David O’Connell, but he appears to be in charge of the diocese of Trenton, New Jersey and president of The Catholic University of America in DC, as far as I can tell.
So the only thing coming up for me right now for the Bishop David O’Connell who was murdered is the obit story and his Wikipedia page. His obit is also weird because Archbishop Jose Gomez is quoted as saying O’Connell passed away unexpectedly.
The man was fatally shot. Why are you not calling it a murder, Archbishop?
Is it possible David DePape was used for the Pelosi attack so relevant search results for connections between Bishop David and Pelosi would be more hidden?
It’s all just really weird.
It's very weird, no mug shot of hammer- guy yet either...
remember when Trump mentioned 'Nancy had to be out of the country at this time' a while back? That was not for us, but for her and her ilk... I hope I live long enough for all the answers to come out :)
Btw... Catholic Family Charities were videoed jamming their cars full with kids, to be whisked off in the middle of the night and given to people where no background checks where done....
Died suddenly in a different sort of way…
The money supply and protection has been cut off. I think Bergoglio required all Vatican holdings to be returned to the Vatican Bank by 9/30/2022, but I don't know it it was really done. This has to be related to trafficking and money laundering, which explains the recent acceleration in chaos.
I don't know much about the issue in particular but since there are some of us who already believe the Vatican to be taken over and not Catholic, which then might simply have us view this as a manufactured drama that could be generated for any reason
Thank you so much for this analysis fren. The church world has just as much intrigue as the political/scientific/military worlds and it's a pleasure to have someone give us a high level synopsis.
There is something definitely going down in catholic churches. I have friends and family who are involved in administration at several churches in my area. New priest were appointed to 3 parishes i know of so far and they cleaned house. Laid off all staff, shutdown music program, no choir anymore, laid of accounting, religious ed teacher. Lay organizations were closed. Keys to church taken back and use of facility only for set masses by priest. All decisions now go through priest. These were thriving programs where God was moving and growing the church. I work with a deacon from a church on a native American reservation that was deeply involved with the reservation. They really were blessing to the native Americans. He quit. The new priest shut it all down. Cut off all the schools they had for the kids.
The whole thing feels like a hostile corporate takover.
I have family outside of Philadelphia.
The school for troubled boys that the Catholic Church ran—one of the only places that kids might be able to go that wasn’t juvie—was shut down a year or so ago, and all those kids suddenly had nowhere to go but back to the prison system.
It’s possible that school was being used for more nefarious things and it getting shut down was a blessing. Especially given the history of the Archdiocese in Philly. Feels more like they got caught and didn’t want to change their ways so they just got out of town.
I’ve watched the Catholic Church manipulate family members with heavy burdens into giving them large swathes of money for what they sell as salvation. I’m never going back.
People don't realise what the Jesuits really are, they are trained assassin's meant to infiltrate and control
I care not about who runs the Vatican. Unless and until they promote Vigano to Holy See, that "church" will remain the epitome of the Sun Cult of Zeus and will forever be corrupt.
"this is a fire hose turned on"
I will just step back and say: there is more to this story that meets the eye.
Could be cartel related, if he's involved in settling illegal immigrants.