Why is there the downvotes? Can we have a serious discussion sometime on this forum about there always, ALWAYS, being hazmat being transported? Why does no one here seem to know this. It’s how it’s worked, always. I’m glad people are paying attention to it I guess, but This picture means nothing. Trains get parked places.
Trains ABSOLUTELY are the safest way to transport hazardous materials over long distances - pipelines are impractical for many of them for various reasons.
Not only is railway safer but, they also have better placarding requirements so responders will know what they're actually dealing with if an incident does occur. A lot of hazardous material being transported over the road does not even require placarding because they are packaged below what is considered "reportable quantity" (RQ). The RQ varies based on the individual material beign transported which leads to situations where there are several hazardous materials all being loaded into the same cargo container that may have synergistic reactions if they should become mixed because of an accident.
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Sometimes people just want to be angry and outraged, and don't react well to plain old pragmatism.
And many people are absolutely oblivious to the everyday workings of the world.
They don't want to have to think about stuff. Just feel and express those feelings.
Because who wants to think about the logistics of hauling millions and millions of tons of hazardous materials around the country. To find solutions to problems. That's too much work.
And if I've learned anything from the Simpsons, it's that thinking causes wrinkles. And ain't nobody wanting any wrinkles.
It’s genuinely frustrating. I’m honestly confused by who is forging the narrative that trains I guess, don’t transport things? Or they shouldn’t be? Weird stuff going on with this narrative.
It's one of the last few bastions of common sense, rational thought and logical analysis left on the internet. Literally everything can be questioned, if you do it in a non-douchey manner.
If you live around a nuclear power plant, yes. Then you should be worried about that. Fortunately the government actually does take that form of specific hazmat, extremely seriously. We’re talking armed military escort in the middle of the night serious. Again, I’m glad people are learning about this stuff.
Nuclear waste is a broad term and the type categorized as endangerment to public health and safety isn't transported over rail cars. Over the road methods are very formal and regulated process with safe guards in place making it the most tested and full proof transportation conditions for containment against a release.
Nuclear waste is usually stored on site in heavy metal containers which prevent leakage.
Fukushima is possibly still contaminating, but that was either an attack using tinfoil tier means or just a woefully under engineered plant.
Chernobyl still has a mass of "hot" material that will be able to instantly kill you for a very long time.
The long haired nerd Kyle Hill has some pretty good videos on Chernobyl in particular, with a lot of good -- and modern -- information on what happened and what is happening there.
Ahhh now we’re getting somewhere. Lobbyists and politicians decide railroad regulations. The easy answer is you want to transport hazmat far away from population centers(cities) in the case of a derailment, unfortunately sparsely populated usually means rural, and farmland.
I understand that point, but how is spilling hazmat from a train parked directly in front a culvert into a major river and and a water table that supports most of the midwest any better of an answer than spilling into a populated area.
I think cities would actually be a MUCH better place to accidentally spill as they have the infrastructure near by to handle it much better
Most severe hazmat derailments involve massive fires, which is undesirable in a location packed with buildings and people. That’s how I view that anyways. One particularly bad one was in Quebec somewhere in 2013, and something like 70 people burned to death, and this was in a very small town. Hard to find an “ideal” place for any derailment honestly.
Ok, obviously "they did this on purpose" theory is popular here. But is that what really happened?
And I'm sure the "There are no coincidences" drop will be mentioned, but this is one of the most confusing things I think Q has ever said, personally.
Sometimes bad things just happen. Sometimes even coincidences happen.
I get that the world is really scary sometimes and people are just trying to make sense and bring order into chaos, but for the life of me, I just can't believe every single thing that has ever happened has been done so deliberately.
The question is pretty obvious, so yes it should. If you want to get conspiratorial and look for tough answers, you may wonder why trump himself did away with brake regulations for hazmat trains, and I have no answer for you there. (Haven’t even wanted to bring this up yet here tbh)
Unfortunately that’s probably not very true. For example The train derailment i mentioned in Quebec went as follows. The one single person operating a train with 5 engines and 70 rail cars full of crude oil parked on a slight decline with engine problems. He was instructed to leave the train running, Unlocked, and directly next to a public highway, while one of the Diesel engines was actively running away and spitting sparks out its smokestack and to wait at at a hotel until maintenance fixes it. Fire burns out the only running engine about 10 minutes after he leaves, air brakes lose pressure, off the train goes directly into a small town. While not in the US, I don’t see our train companies doing things too far off from this type of thing.
Sorry for the long anecdote, I happen to enjoy reading about hazmat/industrial disasters. Anywho, I’m not sure if there’s laws on parking hazmat cars in certain ecological zones, but even if there are, expect rail companies to violate them if the fines are reasonable in the slightest.
Exactly, I commute along the 5 freeway in OC, CA and for decades “they” park dozens upon dozens of those black tanker cars sometimes for weeks on end alongside the freeway. They do the same with fully loaded lumber cars and I’ve never had a concern for safety. The first time you see it it might seem strange, the second time the ah ha moment... you have to park the unused cars somewhere.
Why is there the downvotes? Can we have a serious discussion sometime on this forum about there always, ALWAYS, being hazmat being transported? Why does no one here seem to know this. It’s how it’s worked, always. I’m glad people are paying attention to it I guess, but This picture means nothing. Trains get parked places.
Trains ABSOLUTELY are the safest way to transport hazardous materials over long distances - pipelines are impractical for many of them for various reasons.
Not only is railway safer but, they also have better placarding requirements so responders will know what they're actually dealing with if an incident does occur. A lot of hazardous material being transported over the road does not even require placarding because they are packaged below what is considered "reportable quantity" (RQ). The RQ varies based on the individual material beign transported which leads to situations where there are several hazardous materials all being loaded into the same cargo container that may have synergistic reactions if they should become mixed because of an accident.
Sure, but gas pipelines are absolutely superior. That being said, carry on.
Carry on, indeed.
🤷♀️ Sometimes people just want to be angry and outraged, and don't react well to plain old pragmatism.
And many people are absolutely oblivious to the everyday workings of the world.
They don't want to have to think about stuff. Just feel and express those feelings.
Because who wants to think about the logistics of hauling millions and millions of tons of hazardous materials around the country. To find solutions to problems. That's too much work.
And if I've learned anything from the Simpsons, it's that thinking causes wrinkles. And ain't nobody wanting any wrinkles.
It’s genuinely frustrating. I’m honestly confused by who is forging the narrative that trains I guess, don’t transport things? Or they shouldn’t be? Weird stuff going on with this narrative.
People don't like those who don't just fall into step with whatever the narrative here is currently.
We're supposed to "question everything". Except here.
For God's sake. Do NOT question anything here. Because, shill.
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LOL I question things here all the time.
It's one of the last few bastions of common sense, rational thought and logical analysis left on the internet. Literally everything can be questioned, if you do it in a non-douchey manner.
If you live around a nuclear power plant, yes. Then you should be worried about that. Fortunately the government actually does take that form of specific hazmat, extremely seriously. We’re talking armed military escort in the middle of the night serious. Again, I’m glad people are learning about this stuff.
Nuclear waste is a broad term and the type categorized as endangerment to public health and safety isn't transported over rail cars. Over the road methods are very formal and regulated process with safe guards in place making it the most tested and full proof transportation conditions for containment against a release.
Nuclear waste is usually stored on site in heavy metal containers which prevent leakage.
Fukushima is possibly still contaminating, but that was either an attack using tinfoil tier means or just a woefully under engineered plant.
Chernobyl still has a mass of "hot" material that will be able to instantly kill you for a very long time.
The long haired nerd Kyle Hill has some pretty good videos on Chernobyl in particular, with a lot of good -- and modern -- information on what happened and what is happening there.
Not to mention raw nerves. People are hyper focused on this stuff, because of the Ohio disaster
Yup
why can liberal major cities prohibit hazardous cargo but not rural farms?
seems like everyone should have a say in whether HC can come through or no one should.
Ahhh now we’re getting somewhere. Lobbyists and politicians decide railroad regulations. The easy answer is you want to transport hazmat far away from population centers(cities) in the case of a derailment, unfortunately sparsely populated usually means rural, and farmland.
I understand that point, but how is spilling hazmat from a train parked directly in front a culvert into a major river and and a water table that supports most of the midwest any better of an answer than spilling into a populated area.
I think cities would actually be a MUCH better place to accidentally spill as they have the infrastructure near by to handle it much better
Most severe hazmat derailments involve massive fires, which is undesirable in a location packed with buildings and people. That’s how I view that anyways. One particularly bad one was in Quebec somewhere in 2013, and something like 70 people burned to death, and this was in a very small town. Hard to find an “ideal” place for any derailment honestly.
Ok, obviously "they did this on purpose" theory is popular here. But is that what really happened?
And I'm sure the "There are no coincidences" drop will be mentioned, but this is one of the most confusing things I think Q has ever said, personally.
Sometimes bad things just happen. Sometimes even coincidences happen.
I get that the world is really scary sometimes and people are just trying to make sense and bring order into chaos, but for the life of me, I just can't believe every single thing that has ever happened has been done so deliberately.
Seems like an obvious answer.
The question is pretty obvious, so yes it should. If you want to get conspiratorial and look for tough answers, you may wonder why trump himself did away with brake regulations for hazmat trains, and I have no answer for you there. (Haven’t even wanted to bring this up yet here tbh)
There's always hazmat being transported.
There's not always hazmat being left to sit in the middle of ecologically sensitive zones without reason or explanation.
Unfortunately that’s probably not very true. For example The train derailment i mentioned in Quebec went as follows. The one single person operating a train with 5 engines and 70 rail cars full of crude oil parked on a slight decline with engine problems. He was instructed to leave the train running, Unlocked, and directly next to a public highway, while one of the Diesel engines was actively running away and spitting sparks out its smokestack and to wait at at a hotel until maintenance fixes it. Fire burns out the only running engine about 10 minutes after he leaves, air brakes lose pressure, off the train goes directly into a small town. While not in the US, I don’t see our train companies doing things too far off from this type of thing.
Sorry for the long anecdote, I happen to enjoy reading about hazmat/industrial disasters. Anywho, I’m not sure if there’s laws on parking hazmat cars in certain ecological zones, but even if there are, expect rail companies to violate them if the fines are reasonable in the slightest.
Exactly, I commute along the 5 freeway in OC, CA and for decades “they” park dozens upon dozens of those black tanker cars sometimes for weeks on end alongside the freeway. They do the same with fully loaded lumber cars and I’ve never had a concern for safety. The first time you see it it might seem strange, the second time the ah ha moment... you have to park the unused cars somewhere.
Yeah she mentions the location in another tweet: https://twitter.com/DollArntzen/status/1627705703229177858
Checked on Google Earth and looked on historical imagery and there are several years recently that tanker cars have been parked in that area.