Once again, Cakes is here to condescendingly tell others what Q is or isn't. He spent the better part of 3 years calling Q fake, blocking Q followers on Twitter, and lashing out at anyone that brought up the topic. Do yourselves a favor and decide on your own what Q is or isn't. Don't let this sloppy, arrogant internet personality tell you what to believe. He's in it for the clicks now
Indeed. And this one, who used the Titter moniker "Undercover Huber" and spent a year telling everyone the Horowitz IG report would be the springboard for mass arrests, has now pushed all his chips into the "Q" backer POV. It must be nice to be consistently wrong about everything, while simultaneously telling others what is right 🤡🤡
Well said. Don’t forget his Stealth Jeff Sessions moniker when he was properly anonymous, with his brother Duane and the Thomas Wictor and Rex bromance in full swing. They had some good Spygate takes (and were plagiarising Q themes early on - “the people must be shown” and NCSWIC come to mind) but after that, when he went public and started to monetise, it’s been a series of jumping and clutching at anything where speculation and opinionated editorializing can masquerade as citizen journalism. I don’t begrudge anyone a shot at their dreams - one of his was paid writing - but he smacked of grift for me some time ago so I tuned out.
Anons dont need valor. ) and grifters will get their comeuppance.
I dont understand why so many post alternative media personalities here like savin this guy and x22 something. I get trigger happy on the hide button for these useless posts
60 Minutes gave an interview to the QAnon shaman idiot.
So when I checked Twitter this morning, "QAnonCult" and "QAnon Shaman" were both trending.
Twitter user had a great point: focusing on the QAnon stupidity allows MSM to avoid having to talk about thousands of nursing home deaths.
Kurt Schlichter is right: the only people still babbling about QAnon these days are the people using it to paint all of MAGA as domestic terrorists.
People link to Brian Cates like he's some inspired bastion of wisdom about all things Q, but the truth is that for the first four years of the Q movement, Cates called it "Qanon stupidity". He thought (probably still thinks) we're all stupid. His claim was that our sole purpose was for the MSM to paint MAGA chads like himself as domestic terrorists.
I'm not looking up the sauce now, but Cates was also a Never Trumper at one point.
There ya go. You can go back and find hundreds of these types of posts on his timelines. He's beclowned himself at every step of the way. It amazes me how people here rush to defend him. Open your eyes. Thank you for sharing, magavoices
Yep, I remember when he was anti-Q. He was usually focused on Spygate stuff and viewed Q as conspiracy nonsense. Now he sees which way the tides are going and is trying to get ahead to raise his profile for clicks. I don't necessarily mind him spreading the word, but I see the charlatan that he is.
And one more thing, to all those who claim his writing is spectacular.
Understand what I'm saying here. Read it carefully. Don't just jump to react.
The implication is that you wouldn't understand what he's saying, so he's asking you to make a special effort.
The implication is that you have to read it carefully, his assumption is you wouldn't without being asked.
The implication is that you will carelessly jump to react, and he has to take extra steps to make certain you won't do it, like a nanny or schoolmarm instructing children.
He writes like he thinks we're all fucking idiots. His tone is full blown overboard condescension. This type of writing influences no one, in fact it does the exact opposite. It makes people take the contrarian view if for no other than he's being a condescending dick.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's a feature, not a flaw.
And now that he's come 'round, we hold that against him? How many Tim Pool faggots are we still waiting, waiting, waiting to come around? The man stepped up.
And now that he's come 'round, we hold that against him?
Because he's not anon, but now portraying himself as speaking on behalf of Q followers, he quite literally made himself a "Qanon Influencer".
That's not how it's supposed to work. Q, in their wisdom, had us all be anon.
And it was very wise of them -- none of us can become a focal point to be held up and scrutinized and all of our fellow anons mocked because of our own personal flaws.
And he has flaws.
on food stamps and a newspaper delivery boy prior to 2019
absolutely hated Q, despised Q followers, prior to 2021
wasn't even on board with Q while Q was actually posting for 4 years
called Q followers domestic terrorists
He is personally the source of unlimited material the cabal could publish that would convincingly weaken the Q movement.
"Look, the biggest Qanon influencer didn't even believe Q when Q still posted!"
"Look, the biggest Qanon influencer thought Q followers were domestic terrorists until two years ago!"
"Look, the biggest Qanon influencer is a disheveled hot mess on food stamps, a newspaper delivery boy who despised Qanons until recently!"
I do not want Brian Cates speaking on behalf of anons for these reasons. He's not doing us any favors by speaking on our behalf.
Furthermore, all he does is rattle back to us things we've already known for years, in a condescending tone scolding us for not actually having already known these things for years.
He's vulnerable to being bought. We can all easily imagine the scenario where someone so poor, needing a gofundme to help himself write full time, could be easily bought off by Mossad. It wouldn't be that hard to buy off a previous NeverTrumper who already thought Q was domestic terrorism.
Ya that comment makes me feel like hes trying to tell us how to think. I dont like it. Q Is more than just the info he said. It's an active operation to take these people down. Yes, we are a huge part of it. But its military. He sounds like he is soft coring it. I dont like him.
Man, you really got to the core of it for me, props on finding the words to express what it is.
That ... that thing he does. That it seems like some of us pick up on AND CAN'T STAND.
What's really funny, at least for me personally, is that I really liked his recent piece that came out where he defended Durham. He made a lot of good points and accurately (I think) made a compelling and plausible argument as to exactly WHY Durham didn't do what we expected (wanted) from him: tribunals, Horowitz, so much still under seal, likely still ongoing.
Damnit! Why can't he be so reasonable in EVERY article!
I think I figured it out now. Cates is a talented researcher and reporter, his writing that has focus seems to be excellent and credulous.
but please, please, don't ask for his guesses about ANYTHING. This is not a guy who can formulate OPINIONS of his own that can even pretend to be rational. He can't see even a couple moves out onto the chess board.
Thanks for your comment though, it's an expression of exactly how I feel about Cates too.
Add Neon Revolt and a bunch of other yahoos to the list. The thing with Cates is, him and the bearded dude, Wictor, were running parallel construction with Q and posting digs from him but labeling it as their own brilliance they stumbled onto. They even used a few coined phrases on their blogs I don’t think they realized. Either they are hijacking it for clicks, or they are a part of the plan somehow to flip Q deniers down the line. Time will tell.
I used to really like Neon Revolt. I always liked Wictor. Cakes, on the other hand, is just grifting. He's now backing Q because it helps his social media angle. I won't forget
What I appreciate about Q is how approachable it made the otherwise unapproachable subject matter that was discussed in Q posts. If you were an original gangster, tinfoil hat lunatic like me, you could easily get over your skis when trying to talk to normies about shit like pedo rings and 9/11. Q being somewhat validated by the many Trump proofs got a lot of people over the hump
'Q Anon Shaman' Jacob Chansley gives heavily edited and redacted interview on MSM Sunday show, VERY CLEARLY CARVED LIKE A BAR OF SOAP to shape a form that will fit right into Leftist talking points about INSURRECTION ON J6 (gasps)
BWIANCAKES: "I TINK ITS ODVEEUSS DAT DEY R USING QNOM-NOMS 2 LAYDEL US DOMRESTIC TERRARIANS"
Jim Caviziel, actor and devout follower of Christ: "[In the wake of unfounded attacks on the film that discusses child trafficking] I did research and discovered that what seems to be happening is that THERE IS 'Q' AND THEN THERE ARE 'ANONS'"
brian cates: "..... Bwaha! MMMYESSS NOW U C I HAVBEAN WAYDING ONTILL NOW 2 ECLAIR SUPPERT 4 OWR MOOMINT! LONG WUZ I 4TELLD OV THE MOMENT WEEWOOD CROSS THE REUBEN CON N TAYK THE BATTEL 2 HOLYWOOD! NEVAR HAZ I NAUGHT BEELEEVD EN Q, 4 Q IZ THE YUN-AYTIER OF AWL!"
Two months from now.....
BWICAKES: " Yew see guys, it wasn't Q really but the words of TRUMP that would bring them to their knees and align all the populi..."
Warning:
Don't B🤡 yourself anymore.STOP LISTENING TO B.CATES.
interesting, I hadn't heard of this Cates dude before... If I'm understanding correctly, he was a Q naysayer and fence sitter, then latter tries to take credit for predictions and happenings... In all honestly that sounds exactly like what I have been and done. In wanting desperately to appear 'right' and being afraid to say things that may later be proven 'wrong'. I think we will see more of this within the movement as it picks up speed. Someone above commented,
It will be the final insult to have all the wobblers who disavowed claim the stolen valour when victory comes.
consider me a wobbler... I don't know that it's an insult, I think it's more akin to the sinner that repents only once judgement is imminent and they realise everything they ignored and dismissed was actually of the utmost importance... On the one hand, I see the perspective that they lacked 'faith' and were cowardly and lazy. On the other hand, is it not something that they eventually came to the truth at all? 'Better late than never'?
Wouldn't it be worse if you were faced with the Truth, and you continued to deny and disavow it, even as you faced it's judgement? I don't know, maybe that's just me trying to justify it to myself.
Thought about it a bit more and just wanted to add, like I say, I would have considered myself 'Qanon-adjacent' the entire time. I just never had the courage to really plant my flag and mention certain talking points to people, because I didn't have that pop-culture 'thing' to be 'proud' of, until this movie. Now I've got something I can talk about that won't scare away the normies, something real and powerful. It's so powerful to me, even just the idea of this film before I managed to find a way to see it, it has given me the courage to admit certain things to myself, and the courage to speak to others about it. Yes I am a coward and a Johnny-come-lately, but to be fair, I have spent this time redpilling my family, partner and close friends who all agree with the basic 'tenets'. Now I've gone full 'Qtard', with some of the recent deltas, and have openly shared the actual drops. There are just going to be a lot of cowards like me coming forward, necessarily so.
I mean you do the math on that one. That's probably around 30-50% of 'Trump supporters', including a huge chunk of the MAGA base. That's a fuckload of people. Compare that to the relatively small chunk of people that openly consider themselves part of this movement. Multiply that by the Streisand effect and power of the new movie. There are going to be a lot of last minute boarders on the train.
Thanks for the positive feedback. However I do realize that I'm at odds with a lot of people in our community in my opinion of Cates.
The thing about him is, at least for me....
He's failed us too many times. Like, I would never shit on Dave from X22, or even the Badlands crew, who BOTH clearly didn't know how to approach the subject of Q for a LONG TIME but were comfortable just breezing by the many emails and messages questioning their stance until it was obvious that we were all playing on the same team.
I have a problem with the fact that guys like Cates (and Bio) just HAD TO FORMULATE AN OPINION AND GET IT OUT THERE ASAP. And it seems like that was not relegated just to Q but with almost every significant HABBENINGS that went on.
It just rings too much of grifter, trying so hard to satisfy readership by giving a 'take' whether or not you ACTUALLY BUY YOUR OWN B.S. or worse, CARE IF YOU'RE RIGHT OR WRONG.
I refer to Brian Cates as MAGA Brian Stelter or the Stelter of our movement.
Idk if I can do Clandestine....
"Hey there, remember how I accurately PREDICTED THE BIOLABS IN UKRAINE!?"
"WELL I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING EVEN BIGGER THAT I PREDICTED!"
"IT COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE AND ALL OF OUR FUTURES...."
"THIS COUNTRY'S LAST CHANCE COULD BE RESTING ON.... YOU BUYING PHYSICAL GOLD AND SILVER AS PART OF YOUR PORTFOLIO FROM MY FRIENDS AT KLANDESTINE KAPITAL KOMPANY..."
Yes, I know some people really like Cakes and Bio. I don't like someone telling me what to do or how to think, so I don't care to follow either of them. I read recently that Bio is 30 years old and I thought that told me a lot about his personality flaws. Nothing against 30 year olds in general, but he does come across as very immature. Maybe that's in order to attract that age range to the info he presents.
Yes, when I read your Cakes imitation I immediately thought of Mark Dice and his Stetler imitations. Those are so hilarious and always crack me up!
Whenever you do Bio you have to always start with "I predicted the biolabs," then make your overly wrought, dramatic statement, then a one sentence paragraph at the conclusion, summarizing your dramatic point. He's got a little formula.
No matter who says what or who doesn’t, the awakening happened as soon as they stole possession of the people. We’re naturally in tune to pick up the lies in the confusion. Anyone that is happy with anything political is favoring child molesters. Point Blank.
Um...these comments make me sad. The whole idea here is to change minds and wake people up. Why can't we just take the win when a mind is changed...especially one who has the ability to wake so many others?
Once again, Cakes is here to condescendingly tell others what Q is or isn't. He spent the better part of 3 years calling Q fake, blocking Q followers on Twitter, and lashing out at anyone that brought up the topic. Do yourselves a favor and decide on your own what Q is or isn't. Don't let this sloppy, arrogant internet personality tell you what to believe. He's in it for the clicks now
It will be the final insult to have all the wobblers who disavowed claim the stolen valour when victory comes.
Indeed. And this one, who used the Titter moniker "Undercover Huber" and spent a year telling everyone the Horowitz IG report would be the springboard for mass arrests, has now pushed all his chips into the "Q" backer POV. It must be nice to be consistently wrong about everything, while simultaneously telling others what is right 🤡🤡
Well said. Don’t forget his Stealth Jeff Sessions moniker when he was properly anonymous, with his brother Duane and the Thomas Wictor and Rex bromance in full swing. They had some good Spygate takes (and were plagiarising Q themes early on - “the people must be shown” and NCSWIC come to mind) but after that, when he went public and started to monetise, it’s been a series of jumping and clutching at anything where speculation and opinionated editorializing can masquerade as citizen journalism. I don’t begrudge anyone a shot at their dreams - one of his was paid writing - but he smacked of grift for me some time ago so I tuned out.
Schmoozing into Tracy Beanz' territory as well, just sayin'.
Who even backs these people up financially?
He sells memberships to his paid substack. Also has an online store with merch
Anons dont need valor. ) and grifters will get their comeuppance.
I dont understand why so many post alternative media personalities here like savin this guy and x22 something. I get trigger happy on the hide button for these useless posts
Exactly! You can say that again and again.
Brian Cates, less than 2 years ago, called Q followers "terrorists".
https://social.quodverum.com/@drawandstrike/105833146425154098
Brian Cates @[email protected] Mar 5, 2021
People link to Brian Cates like he's some inspired bastion of wisdom about all things Q, but the truth is that for the first four years of the Q movement, Cates called it "Qanon stupidity". He thought (probably still thinks) we're all stupid. His claim was that our sole purpose was for the MSM to paint MAGA chads like himself as domestic terrorists.
I'm not looking up the sauce now, but Cates was also a Never Trumper at one point.
There ya go. You can go back and find hundreds of these types of posts on his timelines. He's beclowned himself at every step of the way. It amazes me how people here rush to defend him. Open your eyes. Thank you for sharing, magavoices
Yep, I remember when he was anti-Q. He was usually focused on Spygate stuff and viewed Q as conspiracy nonsense. Now he sees which way the tides are going and is trying to get ahead to raise his profile for clicks. I don't necessarily mind him spreading the word, but I see the charlatan that he is.
And one more thing, to all those who claim his writing is spectacular.
The implication is that you wouldn't understand what he's saying, so he's asking you to make a special effort.
The implication is that you have to read it carefully, his assumption is you wouldn't without being asked.
The implication is that you will carelessly jump to react, and he has to take extra steps to make certain you won't do it, like a nanny or schoolmarm instructing children.
He writes like he thinks we're all fucking idiots. His tone is full blown overboard condescension. This type of writing influences no one, in fact it does the exact opposite. It makes people take the contrarian view if for no other than he's being a condescending dick.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's a feature, not a flaw.
And now that he's come 'round, we hold that against him? How many Tim Pool faggots are we still waiting, waiting, waiting to come around? The man stepped up.
Because he's not anon, but now portraying himself as speaking on behalf of Q followers, he quite literally made himself a "Qanon Influencer".
That's not how it's supposed to work. Q, in their wisdom, had us all be anon.
And it was very wise of them -- none of us can become a focal point to be held up and scrutinized and all of our fellow anons mocked because of our own personal flaws.
And he has flaws.
He is personally the source of unlimited material the cabal could publish that would convincingly weaken the Q movement.
"Look, the biggest Qanon influencer didn't even believe Q when Q still posted!"
"Look, the biggest Qanon influencer thought Q followers were domestic terrorists until two years ago!"
"Look, the biggest Qanon influencer is a disheveled hot mess on food stamps, a newspaper delivery boy who despised Qanons until recently!"
I do not want Brian Cates speaking on behalf of anons for these reasons. He's not doing us any favors by speaking on our behalf.
Furthermore, all he does is rattle back to us things we've already known for years, in a condescending tone scolding us for not actually having already known these things for years.
He's vulnerable to being bought. We can all easily imagine the scenario where someone so poor, needing a gofundme to help himself write full time, could be easily bought off by Mossad. It wouldn't be that hard to buy off a previous NeverTrumper who already thought Q was domestic terrorism.
a perfect answer..
He's still trying to tell us what to think or say or do, that's what I don't like. He's no authority.
Ya that comment makes me feel like hes trying to tell us how to think. I dont like it. Q Is more than just the info he said. It's an active operation to take these people down. Yes, we are a huge part of it. But its military. He sounds like he is soft coring it. I dont like him.
Man, you really got to the core of it for me, props on finding the words to express what it is.
That ... that thing he does. That it seems like some of us pick up on AND CAN'T STAND.
What's really funny, at least for me personally, is that I really liked his recent piece that came out where he defended Durham. He made a lot of good points and accurately (I think) made a compelling and plausible argument as to exactly WHY Durham didn't do what we expected (wanted) from him: tribunals, Horowitz, so much still under seal, likely still ongoing.
Damnit! Why can't he be so reasonable in EVERY article!
I think I figured it out now. Cates is a talented researcher and reporter, his writing that has focus seems to be excellent and credulous.
but please, please, don't ask for his guesses about ANYTHING. This is not a guy who can formulate OPINIONS of his own that can even pretend to be rational. He can't see even a couple moves out onto the chess board.
Thanks for your comment though, it's an expression of exactly how I feel about Cates too.
Add Neon Revolt and a bunch of other yahoos to the list. The thing with Cates is, him and the bearded dude, Wictor, were running parallel construction with Q and posting digs from him but labeling it as their own brilliance they stumbled onto. They even used a few coined phrases on their blogs I don’t think they realized. Either they are hijacking it for clicks, or they are a part of the plan somehow to flip Q deniers down the line. Time will tell.
I used to really like Neon Revolt. I always liked Wictor. Cakes, on the other hand, is just grifting. He's now backing Q because it helps his social media angle. I won't forget
Agree
Always has been
What I appreciate about Q is how approachable it made the otherwise unapproachable subject matter that was discussed in Q posts. If you were an original gangster, tinfoil hat lunatic like me, you could easily get over your skis when trying to talk to normies about shit like pedo rings and 9/11. Q being somewhat validated by the many Trump proofs got a lot of people over the hump
u/#conspiracy
Dat you?
Yeah, and I think just about everyone I know would probably agree lol
👍
This guy is an asshole.
Hi my name is BWIAND CAKES and I....
BWIANCAKES: "I TINK ITS ODVEEUSS DAT DEY R USING QNOM-NOMS 2 LAYDEL US DOMRESTIC TERRARIANS"
brian cates: "..... Bwaha! MMMYESSS NOW U C I HAVBEAN WAYDING ONTILL NOW 2 ECLAIR SUPPERT 4 OWR MOOMINT! LONG WUZ I 4TELLD OV THE MOMENT WEEWOOD CROSS THE REUBEN CON N TAYK THE BATTEL 2 HOLYWOOD! NEVAR HAZ I NAUGHT BEELEEVD EN Q, 4 Q IZ THE YUN-AYTIER OF AWL!"
Two months from now.....
BWICAKES: " Yew see guys, it wasn't Q really but the words of TRUMP that would bring them to their knees and align all the populi..."
Warning:
Don't B🤡 yourself anymore. STOP LISTENING TO B.CATES.
interesting, I hadn't heard of this Cates dude before... If I'm understanding correctly, he was a Q naysayer and fence sitter, then latter tries to take credit for predictions and happenings... In all honestly that sounds exactly like what I have been and done. In wanting desperately to appear 'right' and being afraid to say things that may later be proven 'wrong'. I think we will see more of this within the movement as it picks up speed. Someone above commented,
consider me a wobbler... I don't know that it's an insult, I think it's more akin to the sinner that repents only once judgement is imminent and they realise everything they ignored and dismissed was actually of the utmost importance... On the one hand, I see the perspective that they lacked 'faith' and were cowardly and lazy. On the other hand, is it not something that they eventually came to the truth at all? 'Better late than never'?
Wouldn't it be worse if you were faced with the Truth, and you continued to deny and disavow it, even as you faced it's judgement? I don't know, maybe that's just me trying to justify it to myself.
Thought about it a bit more and just wanted to add, like I say, I would have considered myself 'Qanon-adjacent' the entire time. I just never had the courage to really plant my flag and mention certain talking points to people, because I didn't have that pop-culture 'thing' to be 'proud' of, until this movie. Now I've got something I can talk about that won't scare away the normies, something real and powerful. It's so powerful to me, even just the idea of this film before I managed to find a way to see it, it has given me the courage to admit certain things to myself, and the courage to speak to others about it. Yes I am a coward and a Johnny-come-lately, but to be fair, I have spent this time redpilling my family, partner and close friends who all agree with the basic 'tenets'. Now I've gone full 'Qtard', with some of the recent deltas, and have openly shared the actual drops. There are just going to be a lot of cowards like me coming forward, necessarily so.
Something like 15-20% of US citizens 'agree with some of the tenets of Qanon' - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/study-finds-nearly-one-five-americans-believe-qanon-conspiracy-theories-n1268722
I mean you do the math on that one. That's probably around 30-50% of 'Trump supporters', including a huge chunk of the MAGA base. That's a fuckload of people. Compare that to the relatively small chunk of people that openly consider themselves part of this movement. Multiply that by the Streisand effect and power of the new movie. There are going to be a lot of last minute boarders on the train.
omg that's so hilarious! And SO ACCURATE! I love it!
Now do Clandestine!
Thanks for the positive feedback. However I do realize that I'm at odds with a lot of people in our community in my opinion of Cates.
The thing about him is, at least for me.... He's failed us too many times. Like, I would never shit on Dave from X22, or even the Badlands crew, who BOTH clearly didn't know how to approach the subject of Q for a LONG TIME but were comfortable just breezing by the many emails and messages questioning their stance until it was obvious that we were all playing on the same team.
I have a problem with the fact that guys like Cates (and Bio) just HAD TO FORMULATE AN OPINION AND GET IT OUT THERE ASAP. And it seems like that was not relegated just to Q but with almost every significant HABBENINGS that went on.
It just rings too much of grifter, trying so hard to satisfy readership by giving a 'take' whether or not you ACTUALLY BUY YOUR OWN B.S. or worse, CARE IF YOU'RE RIGHT OR WRONG.
I refer to Brian Cates as MAGA Brian Stelter or the Stelter of our movement.
Idk if I can do Clandestine....
"Hey there, remember how I accurately PREDICTED THE BIOLABS IN UKRAINE!?"
"WELL I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING EVEN BIGGER THAT I PREDICTED!"
"IT COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE AND ALL OF OUR FUTURES...."
"THIS COUNTRY'S LAST CHANCE COULD BE RESTING ON.... YOU BUYING PHYSICAL GOLD AND SILVER AS PART OF YOUR PORTFOLIO FROM MY FRIENDS AT KLANDESTINE KAPITAL KOMPANY..."
😅🤣
[Prolly not]
Yes, I know some people really like Cakes and Bio. I don't like someone telling me what to do or how to think, so I don't care to follow either of them. I read recently that Bio is 30 years old and I thought that told me a lot about his personality flaws. Nothing against 30 year olds in general, but he does come across as very immature. Maybe that's in order to attract that age range to the info he presents.
Yes, when I read your Cakes imitation I immediately thought of Mark Dice and his Stetler imitations. Those are so hilarious and always crack me up!
Whenever you do Bio you have to always start with "I predicted the biolabs," then make your overly wrought, dramatic statement, then a one sentence paragraph at the conclusion, summarizing your dramatic point. He's got a little formula.
ROFLMAO 🤣🤣🤣
No matter who says what or who doesn’t, the awakening happened as soon as they stole possession of the people. We’re naturally in tune to pick up the lies in the confusion. Anyone that is happy with anything political is favoring child molesters. Point Blank.
Um...these comments make me sad. The whole idea here is to change minds and wake people up. Why can't we just take the win when a mind is changed...especially one who has the ability to wake so many others?