I'm curious about what you guys think. On one hand we have the Q plan, the hope for a better future, where all the rotten people in power get what they deserve (gitmo) here on earth. America would be great again and by extension, the world. On the other hand we have the degeneration of our morals, ethics, faith and values that we used to hold high. It is literal Sodom and Gomorrah out there & we know that for God to truly win and get rid of all this evil, it will only get worse before the Rapture, not better.
Can these two "futures" be reconciled?
Will the Q plan's removal of criminals bring about world peace and the return of morals or will it be an exercise in futility due to the widespread rottenness of humanity?
Is it some form of test from God?
Looking forward to reading your takes.
This is an excellent question, I have wondered about it myself.
On the one hand, the hope is that the Q plan will come to fruition and usher in a time of revival, before the rapture, but the cabal cannot be completely destroyed since what they are trying to accomplish is exactly what the Bible prophecies will happen in the end times. Eventually the cabal will be successful which will lead to the great tribulation and their final destruction by Jesus.
On the other hand, some of the fantastical things some people have claimed will be the result of Q plan, I don't see happening until the Jesus is reigning in the millennium Kingdom. And in that context the precipice must be the rapture for us who put our trust in Jesus.
I believe that our purpose is to contend with the beast and keep it in check until the rapture. When we are taken out of the way then the beast can take over and the antichrist will finally be revealed.
We want to destroy the cabal and bring about a new era of peace but I don't think that is meant to be. But that doesn't mean we should stop fighting, that is why we are still here.
I feel pretty strongly that Jesus is reigning in His 1000 year kingdom in each saint that has realized his rule in their life.
1000 years is symbolic for a timeles long period..........10 is a perfect number, 10 x 10 x 10 is continuous perfection.
I like perfect things, and am not a fan of sloppiness when it comes to perfect government.
https://communities.win/c/ChristianAnarchism/p/16c247ltQI/join-the-spiritual-order-of-the-/c
They are not compatible. Both cannot happen at the same time. Revival or judgement are 2 different outcomes. I'll trust God's word over man and his plans always. His word is very clear on the subject. Like a birth pangs on a woman.
I'm with you that they are mutually incompatible, as much as I want the Q plan to work out, I think God is going to intervene before then. I spend more time now on Biblical prophecy than the happenings here, as I came to the movement as a Christian trusting in Gods plan and remain so first.
Indeed, the bible teaches apostasy in the latter days, not revival.
That is how I see it personally, that they are incompatible. Yet, something is happening, the plan isn't just a figment of our imagination. So curious to find out what it truly is all about.
Not a dispensationalist here. But there is no contradiction unless you are convinced these are the last few years. I'm not. God could send a reformation of sorts and we could have generations yet to live.
The societal decay we have seen in the last 100 years, especially the last 50, has been engineered by a small group of relentless Marxists. People have been manipulated into it because, frankly, most people are stupid. That's just the reality.
People are now arguing that women should be FORCED to shower with men who claim to be women. And they are winning. That's how idiotic people are. Even those who don't agree are unwilling to call out the stupidity of it all.
But, remove the Marxists and humanity would return to it's normal level of foolishness and degeneracy. I think removing the Marxists is what is happening or about to happen.
It’s not that we are stupid, per se (though we are), it’s that we are sheep.
The good guys know it, the bad guys know it, and The Good Shepherd reminded us of it. We just didn’t pay enough attention or decided it’s someone else, when it is US.
Out of curiousity, I’ve been trying to figure out how to push back on the fruits of dispensationalism. I think it’s been absolutely terrible for the faith. Any thoughts on that?
Humanity has a conformity complex, but America broke the mold. I don't think everyone are sheep. I think it's pretty clear that people are being bred into being sheep. But that also isn't the end of it. We can break away from that programming, and more do so every day.
Some are turning away because they want things to move faster, or can't bear the burden of knowing and I understand that also. But even the ones who turn away from the hopes this plan provides don't simply return to being sheep.
Once you break free from the programming and what you're bred to be, it's very hard to be reprogrammed the same way again.
The bible talks about the end of the WORLD. Not the end of the EARTH. Those are two different things.
The Earth was created by God and it is good.
The " World" is the system we have created. That system is evil. Once you see this the Q plan becomes very clear. The Q plan is simple it is also THE ONLY WAY. We as human beings have to reject the world (system) and embrace the truth. The Truth will set us free.
Never in our history has this been attempted
Yes, world is the Greek word for an age.
Heaven and earth have passed away, more than once.
It is administrations.
I'm going to have to look up a paper I really like on this..............I'll add it as an edit.
Here's the link:
https://www.tentmaker.org/books/heavenandearth.htm
Well, makes sense though. We are due for a new age.
hungry even
I believe that the "Awakening" which Q refers to is to prepare us for the other dimensional battle that is occurring, the spiritual parallel that exists simultaneously with the reality we experience in flesh and blood. I believe that persons walking the earth, the blessed and the damned, are merely representatives of who we really are, spiritual beings living in a physical body. With God in Christ, all who walk in the world are given the opportunity, through his mercy, to awaken. Faith is the energy that fuels the battle for the good, though Satan strives to control the world with temptations, distractions, lust for war and sin. The parallel can be seen in almost all areas of living, by what we consume, both mentally and physically. Real food that comes from the source of abundance gives health, manufactured edible food drains us, real art speaks to people across the earth, we are all moved by it, art without soul draws us to despair and lust and pulls us from our life. Real religion uplifts us, fake religion causes anger and judgement and is anti scripture. Q leads us to truth in worldy matters, which can then be validated in Scripture. Christ tells us to be awake, at all times, for his coming, it fits together like a hand in a glove. The only reason I am here is because of this, otherwise, it's just politics and principalities, whose existence tries to separate us from the Love of God. As above, so below.
Eracidni Murev Te
Immanuel
Yes. Agreed.
Such a great question. Ive thought about this many times. I think we are at the precipice worldwide. Choices made can mark you either as a sheeple or a rebel…???… I believe this is a test, do you believe in God and have faith in his plan or do you believe mere mortals and their shot, ai, reset, smart cities etc will fix this. I think most of society has passed the point of no return they love their money and lifestyle more than Christ. My personal belief is the rapture can happen any minute. If you read up on bible prophecy you can see it being fulfilled left and right. Once the restrainer is gone( holy spirit) all hell will break loose. They have everything aligned for the antichrist all he has to do is step up and into the spotlight. Look up our redemption is nigh ❤️
think timelines and parallel realities. these concepts have always applied to the Bible.
it has always been about choosing, through faith, which version of the story you will experience. which perspective you will witness these events from. it won't look the same for everybody
Yes, they're compatible. Biblical prophecies are often fulfilled in ways we don't expect. If the Q plan succeeds, we will see a mass cleansing of evil the likes of which humanity has never seen. But if history is any guide, it's only a matter of time before we return to our wicked ways. We live in a sinful, fallen world ruled by Satan and only the second coming of Jesus can save us.
I'm reminded of Josiah, the last righteous king of Judah (2 Kings 22-23). For centuries, Judah worshipped Baal/Molech and practiced sexual deviance, witchcraft, and child-sacrifice (sound familiar?). Because of these abominations, God proclaimed that Judah would be conquered and destroyed. But God allowed a grace period before the destruction happened. He raised up a king, Josiah, who purged the nation of all evil. Josiah tore down every idol, slaughtered all of the idolators, and renewed the covenant with God. It was the greatest revival the nation had ever seen. But after Josiah died, Judah returned to its evil ways and the nation fell within only 20 years.
If the Q plan is true, I see Trump as a Josiah figure who will bring about worldwide revival before the actual end times. This is because God is merciful and just and has heard the cries of the innocent.
God’s timetable is different from ours. His word says there would be a revelation of the knowledge of His glory, there has not been yet. That is the part that Q is referring to. Corruption had to be exposed so that it can be annihilated, then peace, prosperity and morality follow. People will turn to the Lord. For how long after Trump, I do not know.
As for the tribulation period, the world will revert back to the evil, corruption and degeneracy worse than what we know now, the Lord will withdraw His hand of protection and leave men to their devices, hence anarchy and chaos and rule of the Anti-Christ.
I believe we have more time before the end times. Just a gut feeling.
Q sounded great, but I think it was just Psy-ops
Maybe change your belief in end times........
I don't believe in an end of the physical world theology.
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. (Revelation 21:1, NASB)
And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He *said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true." (Revelation 21:5, NASB)
That is a spiritual realization in the individual life. We see all things made new in our being. Old Adamic man is dead and passed away.
Amen.
The throne is in you.
Read this and enjoy.
https://communities.win/c/ChristianAnarchism/p/16c2WBEbep/throne-working/c
Indeed. Many don’t understand the importance of seeking within, to connect with the Creator. The life and story of Jesus, is the same journey we all must undertake ourselves. Even when temptation came to him, he overcame because he knew who he was, and his purpose. Most people lack purpose because they don’t know themselves.
Because passively hoping for external resolution outside our control is easier.
“There’s no cavalry coming,” may mean that we ain’t in THAT time yet, if it’s going to manifest in that way at all.
I personally am waiting on a return of miracles from people who have returned to genuine faith. I’ve seen that it CAN happen, we just need to take the next steps.
I see you've put a lot of effort into that. I pray that you can discern your error. The Bible means what it says...it's not a big mystery.
20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:20-21, NASB)
Thank you!
It wasn't a lot of effort, it's every time the word throne is mentioned in the Revelation.
Here's another one I like about the zóon(beasts) around the throne.
https://communities.win/c/ChristianAnarchism/p/17r9IUtI14/zon-before-the-throne-in-our-bei/c
It's a spiritual understanding of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
I'll stop here and just say that most of these interpretations that you've linked are quite a bit out there. The Bible is the inspired Word of God and it was written in such a way that we can understand it with the help of the Holy Spirit. Paul warned us against gnosticism
"See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ." (Colossians 2:8, NASB)
I'll respect that.
I enjoy debate about differing Interpretations of Revelation, but I know this isn't the thread for that.
If you're interested in a real discussion on it, let me know, we can do it over at The Christian Anarchism
https://communities.win/c/ChristianAnarchism/p/16c2DRgvP6/the-eyes-of-jesus-christ-/c
To the Jews the Temple was the place that Heaven met Earth. The phase "Heaven and Earth" can refer to the Temple. So "Heaven and Earth" did pass away in the destruction of the Temple in AD 70.
☝️This. How can we know if they line up when our theology and doctrine are questionable? The rapture may not be true (I’m not going to argue for or against) and that alone changes the way you would line up Q and the Word. When Q said Ascension they were hinting at something. I’m more likely to see an alignment when I skip the rapture idea and line up the build the Kingdom of God idea.
Just my thoughts at 6:33 am
Ascension in Q drop refers to ascension of consciousness. DNA tampering is to slow it down or prevent it. WWG1WGA also refers to communion with our Creator as this is the final destination for all souls, because all souls have the same origins in the one infinite creator. The Bible contains many truths and you can unlock the secrets with the master key… this key unlocks all secrets in any hermetically sealed text.
The most obvious Q efforts are
Shining light/wisdom knowledge in dark places
Allowing free will to remain because it is necessary for human ascension/ soul evolution
Showing humanity what was largely a puppet show and manipulation by very dark entities who no longer serve a purpose for humanity.
Essentially we are graduating from Kindergarten, and there are forces wanting us to not advance to first grade.
Let be clear, free will is essential and Q drops reflect the importance of humankind’s liberation coming from ourselves, not an external salvation. This is why Q involved anons to begin with. We are co creating our own liberation. This is why we must caution our thoughts, all creation starts with thoughts… good or bad.
What’s with all the downdoots on this branch?
Light will always generate shadows if there is obstacles in the way…
Q said there wouldn't be a dry eye when we learn who we've been speaking to. Kim Clement said in 2014 God had a plan and it was so brilliant no man could have devised it. God told him he put it in the mind of a man....nobody can find the kid in the basement? Really? Interdasting. Who could hide like this?
Sorry, but that i Disagree with 100%....IMO
Research and consider preterism as your eschatology instead of dispensationalism. It will change your life and your outlook for the future in a positive way. For an expample, Matthew 24.
Every time I pass someone who is clearly and markedly fallen, I revulse and draw away.
This is not what we are called to do. At one point, I did not have this reaction, back when rebellion was more centered on behavior, but then people began to brand themselves and mark themselves…
Something about the physical marking is extremely off-putting to me, at a foundational level.
We can only hope and pray, the alternative will be Complete destruction of Faith and Morality....🙏🏻🙏🏻
This is not the end. That is the difference. This was over when Trump came down the escalator. You are watching the end of the old guard. Turbulence incoming
Times and the end of times.
Cycles
Each book of the Old Testament is a new cycle.
We have been told what happens in the end. The globalists appear to win. Power and control will be given to one man - the anti christ. He will build armies, destroy nations, and militarily take absolute control. The entire world will be enslaved following a war against believers that will have the believers turned over for execution by their friends, by their parents and even by their children. No person will be able to buy or sell unless they take his mark or worship his image. There will be miseries upon miseries, but at the brink of complete destruction, Jesus will return and defeat the armies that will, at that point, be descending upon Israel with 200 million men. Jesus will then reign on Earth for 1000 years - then the end. The "Q plan" cannot stop these things that will happen at some time - period. This idea that the world is going to wake up, change their ways, and we all live happily ever after together with medbeds, jetpacks, and a higher consciousness is just a different kind of anti-God fantasy.
'Ascension' literally speaking here on earth and the reality thereof;
To rise up and awaken out of the global beast system matrix we've been living in, which is the only way we've known how to live for generations. Most has been forced upon us, by a few at the top of the pyramid of evil that controls the matrix.
How much of the Bible has been twisted throughout time for purposes of control?
God wins.
I don't read Revelation as an end times book.
I read Revelation as a real time spiritual drama.
Jesus Christ is conquering in our lives, Jesus Christ is making us conquerors with Him.
We defeat Babylon in our own lives.
Q is compatible with this interpretation of Revelation.
We are seeing a real time judgment of Babylon in the physical world.
This is exciting, it goes along with Romans 8 as well where the whole creation is delivered from the bondage of corruption.