As concerning as it is for what is come, I've properly prepared my finances and am completely out of the banks except for cash that I need.
I've tried my best to warn people for the shit storm that is coming. And of course, we get the side-eye bullshit, even when we were obviously right about covid and vax. Let's not mention the many "conspiracy theories" that became reality.
I find myself hoping that people will get wiped the fuck out so that they can finally learn and accept the reality that we already know. I feel wrong about this, but I've tried my damn best to warn and inform. It isn't really working, as most of you already know.
"You can't tell them the truth, you must SHOW them the truth. "
What a great quote and another truth that I didn't know until I witnessed how stupid and unremarkable people really are during this global psyop.
I feel wrong that I feel this way, waiting for the wipe-out moment. It isn't a " I told you so" that I feel vindicated about, it is the sheer ignorance and complete pride people have in themselves without considering any other view or evidence.
They are going to come to me for help. I already know it. I've done pretty well and in a good position, but what do you do as a Christian when you've tried to warn, inform, and politely give facts about what is the truth? With furthermore, given the side-eye, insultingly being disregarded at every single turn, laughed at, even when the truth about covid is already out there?
I am completely disgusted with family members and friends. Their info is so shitty and they still can't see that they were lied to on every single level. I'm the crazy person in my family, like a lot of you. I'm not sure how to handle this when it comes time.
What do you do here?
Do you say "no"? Or, "you didn't fucking listen to me and now you want help"? It's hard to do and I don't know how to go about this.
Three out of about 25 of my family and friends have woken up with a massive thirst for the truth. One woke up when realising he was terminally ill but it was too late. About five never spoke to me again, including my mother and best friends. About 5 are awake but in denial or don’t want to talk any more about it. Of those who woke, two then went full digital soldier pounding away at audiences of hundreds or thousands.
That last sentence is so fucking based.
I feel that. Its like we are creating echo chamber double agents. Their effort could have more impact than any of ours did if they would join the battle wholeheartedly tho.
Everything that I have gathered up over the years has been with the mindset that in a time of great need I would give it to family and friends and those who are in need.
This 👆everything I have tried to gather or do has been for my family- not necessarily for me. The Gospel today was about forgiveness- how many times do we forgive? Jesus said 77 times… and so it is brother. None of this is about us personally- it’s about us a whole -the whole of humanity. I’m not in a good spot financially - living paycheck to paycheck with no real savings except a 401K that will disappear. I stock food when I can- still trying to figure and afford an off grid water source. We do what we can and we help where we can. It’s all we have to offer. But one thing I know is that we have to stand - just stand firm & be witness to all of this. Do not waiver- do not give in. Even if they take our jobs/homes/food. We have to stand - for God- for our country- for our families & future.
70 X 7 = 490 Fren, I’ve got a lot of work to do…
Yea, I feel the same I think.
As shitty as everything is, when it matters, that's the time to help.
Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth for the amount of disrespectful pride I've seen over and over again.
I hear ya… it gets worse not better. Just hold the line. Hold-stand & do what you can. That’s it. That’s my plan lol
Noah's response when it happened to him was to load the animals and his family and shut the door. Just sayin'.
God shut the door.
Great minds...
Apologies fren. I typed before reading the comments.
I am sorry for your trials, I've had similar experiences trying to awaken people. Unfortunately, some people will only learn through the pain of personal experience.
One thing that complicates this situation is that as Christians we are called to forgive those who repent and help those in need. It is normal to feel anger toward those who reject your honest efforts to inform but at some point that anger can become destructive. If possible it might be best to set aside what these individuals have done in the past and make decisions based on your practical abilities and their actual needs (versus panicked wants).
You should not jeopardize your own or your family's welfare when others come to you for help. For those able to contribute skills or labor, a form of barter may be possible. Teaching those open to it may be another option. Giving handouts can promote dependence.
There are a variety angles on the issue you bring up. As Christians we have instructions on how to respond to or act with regards to a "brother" who has sinned against us, and then we have another criteria for how we interact with our "enemies". In neither case are we called to be cold and hateful, but there is a distinction in our responsibilites towards each category of people.
We must also counter balance the call to be merciful and serving others against the call to see to our own household first. It will be a matter of wisdom and common sense, but playing out potential scenarios ahead of time is useful to have action plans in place.
Yes, excellent point about the distinction. Inevitably this will best be tackled on a case by case basis. May God give us all wisdom in the days ahead.
This is where I'm confused. I'm not a Bible scholar by any means, but I see that Jesus healed and showed mercy to just about anyone. The worst of the sinners. I'm trying to take that into context with my life.
Am I supposed to forgive everyone for everything without them repenting? I know Jesus called for those he healed to repent, but he acted first.
So forgive first, them influence them to change? People just don't change from my experience.
This is where I am completely confused as to how to act from a Biblical standpoint.
The really hard part is forgiving the extreme sinners - Hillary Clinton, for example. If you can find it in your heart to forgive HER - and realize that judgement is the Lord's - then you can start to heal, and find compassion for others that seemingly don't deserve it.
Feeling compassion for someone like her is kind of liberating. We need to tend our own garden of sin before judging others, and pray for God's guidance in all things.
I'm only human, I don't always practice what I preach, but I try.
interesting your point "forgive those who repent" and i agree completely...but what i would expect is that their arrogance in this lead-up to shtf, will fully continue, without repentance and with demanding...thinking about the prodigal son, the son returned to the father fully repentant, and deserving of forgiveness...i guess the critical question will be what to do for the arrogant/demanding situation, and i do not have an answer for that one...
True, not all will be humbled immediately, and no doubt we will all need to make tough decisions balancing what others want and what is right. I pray we all have the courage and wisdom to do God's will.
You give what you can comfortably give and you tell yourself that they will not be grateful but that your heart knows this is the right thing to do. So decide now who you can help and how much help you will give. You prepped for SHTF and now you will prep for the fall out of SHTF.
I say share everything above one's own family's needs, in such an event.
My "analogy" is the depression. My grandfather did not lose his farm as many did, b/c the family (including wife and children) had diversified products, not dependent on the overall ag market, sales for cash income. In addition to market crops and livestock, they had bees and honey, apple trees, sorghum for molasses, chickens, turkeys, they had New Zealand red meat rabbits, my Dad milked a dozen cows before school even in the first grade, and his older brother hauled the milk up to where the milk truck would pick it up, etc.
They did not hold back. Dad said his father was generous to the neighbors. Whatever they had over and above their absolute needs, they shared.
The Hoboes would ride the rails, they marked places for follow on Hoboes. Grandma would give them a sandwich.
Dad said you could sweep the house with a broom and you wouldn't find a dime! but they ate, because they were on a farm, and he felt badly for the city people. Apples for breakfast, applies for lunch, apples for dinner, if they had apples, etc.
Well the hoboes were grateful for a sandwich, to get them on down the line. If they attacked with deadly weapons? That is when you defend your stores.
My dad told me of the Depression when his family ate not much other than green beans and oatmeal. They did not have indoor plumbing. I wish I’d asked him more about those times and about his service in WW2.
No they did not have indoor plumbing and no electricity until the mid-1940s. My grandmother used corn cobs for fuel for her cooking stove. Yet she managed to make 17 pies for threshing day. [lol 17!]
You can find the details of your father's WW II service from the National Archives and maybe fold3.com.
I think there are several lessons for Christians. Timothy tells us that men are first responsible for caring for and providing for their family. IN both the old and New Testaments, we are called on to care for those who cannot care for themselves - in those days widows, orphans and foreigners had no standing in society and were at the mercy of those who had standing and means. Some widows and orphans could be redeemed (eg Ruth) but most could not. The foreigners who labored could easily be cheated out of the days wages and did not have standing to achieve justice. However, we also see "behold the ant thou sluggard" and he who does not work does not eat.
I believe those lessons are applicable. I believe that I am first and always responsible for my family. I should give, to those who cannot prep and sustain, what I am able without compromising my family. If I have work that I need to have done, I should be fair and honest in payment.
my struggle is to figure out how much is the minimum to assure welfare of my family - I'm not Joseph and have no intention of shooting for seven years of food, but I don't know how to quantify my minimum requirements beyond which I can help others.
your last point is the sticker...if/when shtf starts, we will have no idea how long and how deep the situation will be, so quantifying what your family needs will be, there's just no way to assess...better safe than sorry, and i'm thinking communities will come together, where there actually are communities, with "soup kitchens" where you may contribute something to help, without depleting your own family reserves...if people are hungry, the formerly-rich and poor alike will need to stand in the soup line together, just my opinion...
You've explained this in a better way than I did.
I am confused as well. Hopefully we find an answer here.
In the world of prepping, we're constantly told to beware of un-prepped family and friends. They will tug on your garments and deplete you more than anyone else.
In the prepping world, the answer to your question is a solid "no". Not family nor friends.
I live on the outskirts of suburbia and country, farm fields and houses, many neighbors have gardens, never seen so many gardens, I'm damn not sharing or opening my big mouth on the dried foods, water purification, or home protection, many relatives say we'll be over I stated, stay at home, you might survive the trip. they look at my like I'm crazy, most of my friends believe me when I tell them shit is going to hit the fan, prepare, why should we, you are. they go on their vacations, buy new cars, live high on the hog, not me! I drive 2 14 year old cars, paid for, house paid for, don't owe anything, have the three things, currency, food, and protection.
I have some money, but part of my preparations is that it would be better to acquire useful items while that money still has value.
get your house in order, be like the pig in the brick house, not the other two
my question to you, is your house straw or wood? time to make it brick, time is running out.
Welcome to my world fren. Husband and I have been treated the same. We went ahead and prepared for the worst. Ordered IVM Fenben, several broad spectrum antibiotics, as well as a couple years worth of husband’s prescriptions from India Have a fully stocked pantry and then some, a couple of freezers full of meat and vegetables from our garden, got all our money out of the banks (left a small amount in that we can afford to lose), invested in pm’s, gold, silver and lead, reupped the arsenal and now we wait. When they come to us for help and they will, we will help. I’ll never turn anyone hungry away. God gave us a brain and we have used it well to prepare. He’s been good to us. If I can feed someone I will, but that’s all I’m prepared to do.
What are pm's? And serious question, when you got your money out of the banks, did you only replace it with metals and ammo? Did you do anything else with it? This is a question I keep seeing people ask - what to do to safeguard their money?
You’re not going to want to safeguard your fiat dollar. It will be worthless when the precipice does occur. The bulk of our cash went into pm’s; precious metals 80% silver, the remaining went to gold. Physical pm’s. The kind you can physically touch. In a scenario where we would somehow need a large amount of fiat cash we stashed a few thousand dollars for just in case and if it came down to it we could always sell some gold or silver however, we’re not planning on that. What/how would we be paid? We had plenty of ammo, but got more and a couple extra shotguns. We’re negotiating on some land currently as well. The one thing I’m curious about is some of our friends whom we always considered wise, are comfy with their CD’s and bonds. Their response to my questions about that is “Well they’re insured!” Like they trust the banks/FED to honor that??
I doubt there’s any way to keep them from knowing if you’re buying any appreciable amount. Get a really nice big safe and put a few cameras on it and check on it regularly knowing you buried it someplace safe. Aqua regia + pms in mason jars, buried, are virtually undetectable by metal detectors.
well, i find i agree with both sides of the comments here...the tale of the grasshopper and the ant comes to mind, most often...i expect a deep dive into the bible would find support for both sides, also...and from experience in other matters similar to this, the ones most prideful and ignorant at this point, will be the ones demanding the biggest "share"...hoping all of this preparation will never come to the point where we hafta find out what our answers will be at that time...i suspect the attitudes of the ones asking/demanding our help will dictate how we respond...God bless, and He will lead each of us to our next right thing to do...
@Jammyjams, You probably already know this since you declare to be a "Christian", but here is a little reminder..... Jesus predicted that the love of many would grow cold as part of His answer to the disciples’ question, “What will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?” In Matthew 24, in the Olivet Discourse, Jesus describes the end of the age that will precede His second coming. He says that there will be false Christs (verse 5), wars (verse 6), and strife and natural disasters (verse 7).
Jesus also warned of the persecution of believers, some of whom would prove to be false disciples who would turn on one another (Matthew 24:9–10). “And,” Jesus said, “because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold” (verse 12, ESV). Whether it is because of the deluding influence of the false teachers or the persecution or the fear of death, the zeal of many false professors will diminish. Their love toward God and toward the church will “grow cold.” True Christians, even those whose faith is weak, will persevere to the end (verse 13). Theirs is the true love, which is the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22), and it cannot fail (1 Corinthians 13:7). True love cannot become cold because it is sustained by Christ who is able to keep us from falling (Jude 1:24).
For those without the Spirit, however, what love they do have will become colder and colder in the last days. Paul expands this idea in 2 Timothy 3:1–4 when he describes the last days. The love those people have is not a warm, living love for God and His truth and His people. Rather, it is the love of self and the love of money (verse 2). Paul describes those whose love for God, Christ, and the saints is only in pretense, not in reality. They do all they do in a religious way from self-love and to selfish ends. Their aim is to gain glory and applause from men or to use religion to gain something for themselves. They do nothing for the glory of God, the honor of Christ, or the good of others.
How can we be sure that the love we have for Christ will never grow cold? We begin by examining ourselves to be sure we are truly in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). If we truly belong to Christ, we can be confident that we possess the love from the Spirit that never grows cold. Then we should make every effort to increase our love:, “This is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:9–11).
Fren you are preaching to the choir here!
Over the last 3 years I have made peace (for the most part), with the fact that this plane of existence is all about free choice. The Lord doesn't want people forced to kneel, he wants those who humble themselves enough to kneel.
It is heartbreaking to watch loved ones make huge mistakes, watch loved ones die, when it is all preventable.
It is gut wrenching to be "side-eyed" and downright cancelled for views that are different than the "mainstream" sheeple.
BUT, take heart! It is changing. They are waking, groggily.
Yes, there WILL come a time where your advice will be sought. I have learned that it seldom comes with an apology or acknowledgement of anything that has transpired before. It is more like, "I am starting to think like you", or some such.
Stay plugged in here for comfort, and in prayer. The world at large will not provide it for you.
Good on ya for your prep!
OP... great post. I would like your opinion. If I have a lot of credit card debt due to some emergencies, do you think that those will just disappear in a crisis? Should I be trying to pay them off if there's a chance they'll be lost in the crisis? I mean, I have always paid my debts, including any school loans, and I would eventually pay these off, and I will continue to make payments... but if the sheet really hits the fan, I wonder if I should continue to pay them or simply say "I'm broke like everyone else" (which, I would be)?
I wanted to help people avoid the fate they are in now, and they hated me for it.
What would Noah do?
Did Noah know the teachings of Christ Jesus? Not saying I disagree with Noah either. An ark can’t hold everyone and I have more of an emergency dinghy than an ark.
Would you agree that God is the most powerful thing in the Universe? And God = love? Then use the most powerful thing in your arsenal, Him, through prayer to awaken those you love. God can show them what it is that they need to see to awaken. Ask God to help you find the way. I'm certain he will give you the words and the means to be successful.
Is this not also an argument for open borders? God surely doesn’t want you and your family to scrounge and save and prep for years only to immediately be overrun by desperate starving diseased people who shit all over you and your warnings as they partied to the very last day.
Since they removed you from the circle of family and/or friends and probably weren’t very nice, what makes you think they will come to you?
I will ensure the people I love have a home and are fed. I’m not supporting any of them to any further degree.
‘The plan’ isn’t to devastate Americans. You’ve been here awhile now. Do you understand what you’re reading? We’re going to eventually go to a gold backed currency. I suspect that that part of the plan has already been accomplished, just not rolled out yet. People will believe they’ve lost everything and I suspect that will be true in many circumstances. Casualties of war and we are at war. There will be devastation of all types and that includes death. The enemy has been trying to kill us for generations. We’re now fighting back. Not all of us will live to see it through. You have to come to terms about that. The financial crisis is the least of my concerns. When Q said this was biblical….well, what does that mean to you? To me it means educating my family, getting them prepared for whatever comes and we’ve never experienced anything like what’s coming. Protecting my kids and grandkids by making them face the truth and being as best prepared as possible for something I can’t describe. Having food, shelter and self preservation methods to fall back on for the long haul and finally, being prepared to stand until death if necessary. What’s coming will maim, kill and destroy, but the survivors will have a future worth looking forward to, worth treasuring, worth fighting for. We’re going to the edge of the razor. Some will make it. Some of us will not. Be prepared for any and all scenarios. At least that’s what I’m understanding. Good luck
Based and correct. Nothing can stop what is coming; not Trump, not Q, not anyone, not anything. 4-6% lost forever but I think Q’s estimate was way low.
"You can't tell them the truth, you must SHOW them the truth. " Is the only way. They called Noah batshit crazy for building an Ark on land nowhere near water, while he said a great flood is coming, if you help be build it you will have a place on this Ark. Most laughed and mocked him. We are Noah right now, and we need to keep doing what we're doing despite the mocking. I feel this is why we were put here in the place and time.
Patience
Faith
Love
One of the parts of the Bible that becomes confusing for many but maybe you are seeing it is.
This is something that has always bothered me. If we give someone shoes or food are we really helping them? We may have this pompous mind set that we are, but we are either being conned by the person we believe we are helping or we are doing nothing but a thing that makes us “feel” like we are.
To truly help others we should be more like you. :)
Mathew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.