An interesting topic of conversation came up over Thanksgiving. My sister is pretty savvy on what's going down. She's aware of the Cabal. She's hip on Q (or at least mostly aware of the Q story). I don't think she is fully aware of everything, but far more than most.
But she also is not a fan of Trump. She recognizes that most of what is said about him is a lie, but she just doesn't like him. She thinks he's a blowhard and overly divisive. I agree with her, but I've explained to her (albeit briefly) why I think both of those qualities are intentional. However, she doesn't care. She does however love RFK, Jr. She said she would vote for him in a heartbeat no matter what party flag he waves.
I thought about it, and I think RFK, Jr. could very likely be a unifying force, not to mention that there is both a sense of justice and closure to the effort of Q if he became President.
What do you think? What if RFK is the democrat nominee, or even an independent. Would you vote for him over Trump? Even if not, even if you think such a statement is sacrilegious, do you think he would be good for the country? Do you think he would be a unifying force? Do you think him as President would bring honest debate to the table on the "hot topics?" Do you think he would be able to put an end to the propaganda driven division (not by himself of course, but rather, as part of the Q plan)?
Of course, I don't know what The Plan is, and I don't think anything can change the course, but there are layers upon layers to The Plan, and there is nothing better than a surprise ending, especially one that feels like Justice. Who knows. Maybe RFK, Jr. IS The Plan.
What do you think of him as President for 2024?
It doesn't matter who's on the ballot. I'm voting for Trump for the third time.
Even if Trump wasn't running I wouldn't vote for RFK Jr. Search this board and you'll find a number of researchers who have uncovered some unfortunate truths about him. I'm pretty sure that he'd go along with the globalist plans just like Vivek Ramaswamy.
Correct !!
RFK jr will turn out to be the Democrat’s George W. Bush jr. We must completely defeat the deep state global cabal.
I'm aware of his past. There are all sorts of bad things about everyone. NO ONE gets a seat at the table if they haven't done bad things. That's just how the game is played.
There are all sorts of bad things about Trump as well. People on here tend to ignore them, but there is plenty of damning evidence out there if you are willing to actually look. You have to be an insider to take down an organization like the Cabal. Of COURSE Trump is an insider. I have no doubt many members of the Q team are. JFK was for certain.
It's not about what you've done, it's about what you're doing now, and what side you're really on now. Given the true nature of the world, given the nature of the enemy, and who that enemy is, that is all that matters.
Curious to know what are the damning evidences you found. Please make a list of everything you found.
Even a few points would be a start.
Yeah, I routinely argue this with leftists, and no one has been able to bring anything that cannot be disproven pretty quickly. Definitely nothing that the MSM has not tried to push to the limit for the last 7 years. Would be interesting to see what OP will come up with.
My bets:
Travelled on Epstein flight / friends with Epstein
Did a deal with the Saudi prince
Keeps a bunch of traitors close to him.
and for bonus:
See a short list (there are more) in my response below.
Rfk Jr said he would remake the Democratic party and restore it to what it was. He couldn't and now he's running as a spoiler.
What it was and still is is racist as hell. The party has not changed. So he has lied.
You gotta be kidding with this question. He is anti 2nd amendment. He believes in climate change. Just to mention two fundamental differences. He is still a controlled opposition, even though he is probably far less compromised than most.
I see his role as waking the left to certain things, and sucking votes away from Biden. After 2024, he will probably do some good work in completely dismantling all vaccine programs, but we gotta wait and see.
I seriously doubt he "believes in climate change*. He may very well push such rhetoric, but to think he actually believes the rhetoric is ludicrous. No one at the top believes any of the shit they push.
I don't know about him being "anti 2nd amendment" either. I haven't heard him push that rhetoric (though I don't listen to him all that often). Regardless, he would be very much less divisive than Trump, which I think is very important. And again, I'm not suggesting it, I was asking what people thought about the divisiveness and how a reduction in that division would lead towards the GA.
I'm not at my computer (or at my house), nor will I be for a couple days. But off the top of my head:
There's more. Maybe I can look some stuff up when I get home.
Yeah pretty much the standard spiel, including the reddit theories from '16, like Trump indebted to Rothschild because Wilbur Ross used to work for Rothschilds, when in reality Trump did the opposite - he baited and shafted the Bankers with his banktruptcies, and that some anonymous poster claimed that Ivanka dated a Rothschild.
As for the symbolism, I guess only those who understand symbology a bit more in detail would realize that all the symbols Trump uses are reverse of the Cabal symbolism for a reason. Inverted pyramid. Inverted obelisk. The horns on the head actually dropping. These are all FU to the Cabal because these are their sacred symbols.
I supposed Kushnar reeks of Cabal because he is a Jew? I assume thats what you meant because you listed Ivanka being Jewish as well.
I hope you are keeping your eyes open even as we are learning the truth behind Zionists vs Jews. Kushner architected the Abraham Accords which was the setup for the current battleground where the deep state of both Israel and Palestine are being brought to the open.
I hope you paid attention to the IDF bombing Israelis and blaming it on Hamas.
Man, I was joking you might include this, didnt realize you actually included it with a straight face. All their trips were between Florida and NY, not the pedo island. Of course until he found out what Epstein did and kicked him out, and was the only one helped with the prosecution. Didn't really think I should give this refresher to an Anon!
Being dismissive doesn't make statements of fact untrue. This is pretty much the standard response from a True Believer. You don't know what really happened on any of the statements of fact, yet you have justified them all to fit your belief. I don't know what happened either, but I know there is damning evidence there. Hundreds of people on these boards have been crucified for far less.
He didn't just "used to work for Rothschilds," he worked for them for decades and was one of their top guys. He worked for them at the time of his helping Trump with his bond issue. He is himself deeply Cabal. Here is an article from 1992 that elaborates the relationship. Note it also mentions Stephen Bollenbach as Trump's go to guy to run his organization at the time. Bollenbach is deeply Cabal.
Provide evidence to support this statement. You can't "shaft the Bankers." It is impossible. That is not how the world works. No matter how something may appear on the surface, a deeper investigation proves The House Always Wins. The sequence of events from all period documentation I could find is, Trump was fucked. He got direct help from several agents of Rothschild and Rockefeller et al. He got out of trouble. He was thus indebted. However you have rectified that in your mind is on you. You must twist those facts to justify it. Regardless, I guarantee you, you cannot be further successful if you attempt to "screw over the banks."
Please read my report if you do not understand that statement.
Do you think I am doing my research on reddit? Give me a break. This stuff is all over the place. This happened before the anti-Trump media stuff was ever a thing. He was high society. That makes it easy to find these things. All you have to do is look, and restrict your search to before 2015. The only way to find anything is to restrict your search back to when Trump was liked by the media.
Here's a regular MSM article from 2011 that states it plainly. There are literally thousands of MSM articles that make the same claim going back to the 90s. It has never been refuted. It has only been denied by True Believers, despite the evidence.
If you think you have information regarding a thing, present your argument. Attacks on my knowledge, of which you know literally nothing, are similarly the types of dealing with cognitive dissonance expected from a True Believer. I feel my understanding of the symbology is quite substantial. Case in point.
The inverted pyramid is absolutely a sign of the Cabal. It is all over on their symbology. It is the other half of "As above, so below". However, this particular inverted pyramid, 6x6 and filled with trees, is a hallmark of the vagina of the godess of fertility, or Gaia's vagina, or Asherah's vagina. It is a symbol that goes back to predeluvian times (eon's ago), and has been prominent in archeologyl since. It exists in that form all over the world as well, not just through time.
There is nothing "inverted" about the obelisks, so I don't know what you are talking about. The obelisks come from the shadows of the protrusions. There are six of them, and they are about 500 feet tall. Once you see them, you can't miss them. They stand straight and tall.
I don't know what "drooping horns" you are talking about, but the Mithra symbolism is far worse, and you didn't address it at all.
You assume completely incorrect. I expected more of you. Do a dive into Kushner. It is very, very easy to find thousands of connections and indebtedness to the Cabal by family Kushner going back forever for any honest investigator. It literally takes five seconds. It is everywhere.
I listed Ivanka as being Jewish because being a Jew does have meaning in this war, even if it isn't necessarily the meaning that some think. It is an important point. On it's own, as just a statement of fact, it is insufficient, but with further context, which I didn't supply, but which many know, it becomes a point of consideration. A point of consideration is just one thing. By itself, it's just that thing. Along with a laundry list of other facts, it provides potentially important context.
Every single major event that has happened in the world for the past two centuries or more (all wars, great depression, etc.), has been an effort to fulfill prophecy regarding Jerusalem. Being Jewish is important, even if it isn't necessarily damning by itself.
NOTHING can be taken on surface level. NOTHING. Literally everyone I look into who is "on the other side" is controlled opposition, intentionally being "on the other side" specifically because someone has to be, thus be that side yourself. Suggesting that what we see on the surface is what is really happening is naive in the extreme.
It is absolutely damning evidence. Other than the statements of fact, I don't know what really happened. You don't know what really happened. All that we can say for sure is that it happened. You are dismissing and justifying it as you need to to affirm your True Beliefs. Trump and Epstein have been connected and explicitly stated as friends for decades. What the truth is there, who knows. Assuming you know the truth is again, naive. All the world's a stage. Quite simply, you cannot become a player, unless you are compromised. Period. Everyone who is anyone has to do some very naughty things. Trump was a major player for decades, with deep ties to numerous Cabal agents. His entire empire would not exist without their aid. And that's just on the surface. Who knows what he had to do to make it.
If you read my report it is painfully clear that my statements of requirement to be successful on that level require making a deal with the devil. It is the only possible way.
Everyone who is anyone has made a deal with the devil.
Period.
The problem I find with people making arguments such as you are doing is that they present vague connections and make vague deductions, and yet when presented responses of equal quality, claim they require solid evidence, and make wild claims about the extent of their knowledge or about "facts" only they seem to be privvy to.
So lets take a step back. Start with defining what "making a deal with the devil" means, according to you. Then provide "damning evidences" for that claim. For instance if you claim Trump is "indebted to Rothschilds" - provide evidence that he is indeed indebted to them - not deductions based on who helped him, and what you can and cannot do to the Bankers, but the damning evidence that shows that he is "indebted to them".
If you claim any symbology proves that he made the "deal with the devil", provide the pictures of the said symbols, and share your wisdom with good references to the same symbols and what they represent beyond being initiated into esoteric knowledge, and how it proves "making the deal with the devil"
If you claim that flying with Epsteins between US cities is damning evidence that he made a "deal with the devil", provide proof that he fully understood what Epstein was doing and took part in those activities.
Explain in clear terms exactly what you think is implied by someone being a Jew as far as "making deal with the devil", and how having relatives who are Jews provides "damning evidence" that he made the deal with the devil.
I think this would be a good start.
I hope your "damning evidences" are a bit more than a one line claim in a footnote of some MSM article.
While I agree wholeheartedly that my argument as presented was somewhat light on "showing the evidence," I did make statements that are easily looked up by yourself to see if they have merit. In several cases I provided links, or told you exactly what to look for that corroborated the statements.
You on the other hand are demanding Absolute Proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt That Would Stand Up In Any Court Of Law And Convince Any Jury Of Twelve.
That's not how these things can possibly work. When we investigate anyone, we are looking for connections. We have limited capacity to find information. Most of the investigation into the Cabal is exactly these types of links. The reason they are these types of links is because there is a pattern of behavior in those that we do have better information on. When we see those exact same patterns, and those exact same connections elsewhere, it is completely reasonable to think that perhaps the ultimate conclusions made about the ones we know well, can be at least considered as meaningful evidence about others where we find the exact same behavior.
The list I provided is the easy stuff. You can look for yourself to see if the claims have merit. You refuse, that's OK, but then you can't say anything about whether the claims have merit. You can only complain that I haven't done a book length investigation for you, and published it in a format that you would be willing to read. That is not to say that isn't a legitimate complaint, but that is all that you can say, and indeed, that is the only counter argument you have provided so far that has merit.
However, as for what a "deal with the devil" looks like in the corporate world, I have indeed written a book length investigation and published it in a format that at least some have been willing to read. It's not about Trump, but if you read it, it will show that it is impossible to "screw over the banks," and that quite simply, not one single person on this planet can "make it" as big as Trump has done without being indebted to those who control the entire corporate world.
It is on you to look at my argument for those statements. You can then look for yourself why the list I have provided is indeed evidence of similar behavior by Trump.
Think about the venue we are discussing, and what it is you are requiring. We here spend a great deal of time and effort looking for exactly these connections. We do so, because we understand the larger context of events. We have a pretty good idea who the real enemy is, and what signals they have that indicate them as likely "Cabal agents." Those signals look an awful lot like the list I provided regarding Trump. They look that way because those are important signals in the context of the Cabal. Are they "evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?" Well, not for me, but they are among the exact same signals, the repeated patterns and connections, as those who we believe are Cabal. You are well aware of that, yet you categorize them as "not important" in this case, and then demand, in a venue where it is impossible to provide sufficient evidence, all the evidence that would convince anyone, even a True Believer.
It's ludicrous. Concede that the evidence is damning, where by "damning" I mean, "exactly those signals we are looking for in others to indicate potential Cabal indebtedness." Most important imo is his success in the business world. That is impossible to achieve without being indebted to the PTB. If you read my report, which I offered as evidence several times in my response, you will understand why I suggest it is impossible.
Then perhaps you will see why the people that I called out as being those that bailed Trump out, and ran his company for him, prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there is some level of indebtedness there. More, the very act of bailing Trump out would never happen, according to the evidence presented in my report, unless he had "made a deal with the devil."
They had him by the short hairs. They got him out of it. They would NOT have done that without a quid pro quo. Period. Perhaps the reason he was in the trouble he was in in the first place was because they had set him up to be, and through no fault of his own. That is entirely possible, as that has happened on numerous occasions (as shown in my report). Contrivances designed to ensure someone's failure unless they make that deal are how the world is controlled. It is a system of economic manipulation, thus financial coercion, that ensures that everyone who "makes it," makes it through an indebtedness to the Cabal.
This indebtedness, "The Deal," inevitably includes being forced to perform certain "less than appropriate" acts that compromise you, so they can film it and have dirt on you. The person making The Deal knows full well that they are being filmed for this compromise. My research suggests many do these abominable acts not because they want to, but because it is the only path to success in a completely controlled world. It is simply, "how the world is." This system of forced compromise has been going on for a very long time. During WWI for example, I think Allister Crowley played the role of "blackmail agent," setting people up for compromise. In the era in which we are talking, Epstein played that role, often being the one to set up, film, and store the evidence of those compromising acts (on his MIT servers). The Lolita Express was his vehicle (literally and figuratively) for those efforts.. It was his "film studio."
Not everyone who is compromised in that manner goes to "The Island." That is only for those that like it. There is evidence that the initial act of compromise however, is handled more simply; often on short jaunts on the Lolita Express.
I provided evidence in the form of a direct link to a period report on the topic. I wanted something similar. You are here suggesting that I am asking for more than I provided. No, I was asking for something equivalent.
But of course if you don't actually read the evidence I provide then you can't understand that I have indeed provided it and may then come to the false conclusion you have come to above.
I hate to engage with rhetorics and nebulous arguments. So let me cut through the chase.
The crux of your argument is "I have proved that the Cabal owns the world in my report, and hence anything that anyone has gained has to be because they were compromised by the Cabal"
While I don't need a "report" to show me what I already know, the fact that it is indeed possible to defeat the enemy, in their own game and that is exactly what this Plan has always been is the very crux of Q and Great Awakening.
This is where we both differ, and this is a fundamental difference because we are both True Believers.
I am a True Believer of - "It is indeed possible to defeat the enemy who owns the whole world, at their own game."
You, are the True Believer of - "The enemy owns the whole world, and no one can ever do anything about it"
Incorrect. I have shown HOW the Cabal owns the world. The specific methods they employ. The structure of the system. FROM THERE, looking at Trump's past, those exact same systems and methods and people are everywhere apparent.
There is a pattern, legally, corporately, in connections and actions. There are systems that determine those patterns. Trump follows the exact same pattern, and has all the same exact people around him, as friends, colleagues, business partners, people that give him loans, people he does deals with, people he calls friends, people his daughter is banging, etc., throughout his entire adult life.
My argument has nothing to do with nebulous arguments. But you CAN'T KNOW THAT, if you don't actually read my argument. Instead you assume it mustn't be true, or that the argument can't actually show what I suggest.
If you don't listen to what someone has to say, then go about spewing such nonsense as "their argument was nebulous," or they "made vague claims without evidence," you are nothing but a dishonest person, attempting to discredit someone purely to justify your beliefs.
Nothing could be further from the truth. I think Trump was an insider not because it is "impossible to beat the Cabal", on the contrary, I think it is absolutely possible, but not without "playing their game". You MUST be an insider to take down that structure. I think Trump is (or was) Cabal because I know the details of the system that was in place when he was doing what needed to happen to make it in that world. Because I know how the system works, how it was constructed, etc. I know what he would have had to do to "make it." There would be certain pieces of evidence, certain actions, certain connections. Trump checks all the boxes and more besides. He wasn't just "compromised," he was deep in it.
Perhaps he was "part of a plan" for decades. It's certainly not impossible. Perhaps he did "what he needed to do," like a secret agent, who does compromising things for "The Greater Good." Who the hell knows. BUT THE EVIDENCE STRONGLY SUPPORTS him having done some pretty bad things. And you can't see that, if you don't see how the system actually works, which is what my report is about. Not a "nebulous claim" on a single page, paragraph, or sentence in the entire thing.
You’ll get more traction for this over at consumeproduct.win
Everybody of any importance that Epstein could obtain contact information on was in his book. I have numbers in my own phone list of people who I couldn't pick out of a lineup. They are there for various reasons, definitely not for friendship or crime planning purposes. In other words, the address book is pretty useless as evidence of anything at all.
Trump threw Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.
Seriously ? Were there butterfly’s flying out of your turkey ? I love what RFK has done for deadly vaccine awareness .I’ve met him several times in San Diego , even was at a dinner fundraiser for his childrens network. However, get off the ledge, Trump is our President . Come on man!
This is not about Trump. The GA has never been about Trump. He was just a vehicle to help us achieve a true awakening, not just as individuals, but as a country, and as a world.
I'm asking a question to encourage thought. I was hoping for some thoughtful responses. Suggesting that such thoughts should be discouraged, and that we should rather be worshiping our Hero is not a path to the GA, on the contrary, such ideas are an often used tool of the Cabal. Indeed, it is the devotion that flirts with fanaticism regarding Trump, even for those who say they are "awake" that has me most worried about The Plan.
We must appreciate our own empowerment or we risk loosing this war. Indeed, it is that appreciation of We The People that is the only possible victory condition for We The People. If it is about Trump, we lose.
Apologies that I came scross as if I’m worshipping Trump . Jesus is who I worship , but back to your question RFK is not who you think he is , please do a deep dive on him . I love him for what he did for vaccines . Honestly I’ve talked to this man , we laughed , we joked and I have every book he wrote (most are signed ) by him . I’ve been in Malibu at a dinner on the beach for him. I’ve been at a meeting with 50 to 100 people supporting him during the lockdown when he released his Fauci book. However, if we want a true commander to help saved America we need Trump back at the helm . RFK will not MAGA. We the people can trust someone who has proved to us that he is for us . All kidding aside Trump 2024 at least this is my prayer . I’d love to see RFK in his administration, pissed me off that he wasn’t the first time ,,, he was supposed to have Faucis job.. that was a huge mistake .
You don't know who I think he is. I'm aware of his past. He's no angel. Neither is Trump. Trump has all sorts of connections to the Cabal. His buildings themselves are full of Cabal symbolism. Trump is an insider. I suggest that he is perhaps not who you think he is. Please do a deep dive on him.
That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the excellent job he has done in bringing about the GA. He has performed his role very well for the Q team. If Trump in 2024 is The Plan, that's great. But I don't know how this is intended to play out. And I do think that RFK would be less divisive, which I think is an important step in the GA, so I wanted to know what others might think about whether or not he might be part of The Plan.
It is not Trump that is MAGA, it is Q that is MAGA. Trump is just a front man. It is Q that does all the heavy lifting. Again, not that I don't appreciate Trump's part, I very much do, but people tend to focus on what they see. Even if they are aware there is more going on behind the scenes, they think that what they see on the surface is the most important stuff going on. It never is.
My research suggests that what we see on the surface generally has nothing to do with the truth. That is how psyops work. There is the surface, which is a fabrication of reality, and there is the reality behind the scenes. They have very little to do with each other. I don't understand why anyone would think this self admitted Q psyop would be any different.
Indeed, Q told us many times that misdirection is exactly what would happen. None of this is about Trump. None of this is really even about MAGA. It is about The Great Awakening. Everything else is only important if it is working towards the GA, and only for as long as it is doing so.
Funny - it seems you’re chastising those who are dismissive about Trump’s closet skeletons, yet you do the same thing when folks bring up RFKjr’s closet skeletons.
“RFK believes in climate change”. “Oh well he doesn’t REALLY believe it “
If you’re willing to abandon Trump over perceived cabal symbolism, then in order to remain intellectually honest, you can’t dismiss RFK’s actual cabal position concurrence.
I didn't do that at all.
This is completely consistent with what I am saying. RFK is someone's agent. The people that we think are "at the top" push whatever their handlers tell them to push. Their personal beliefs are irrelevant. What we see is theatre, and the people that push the rhetoric de jure are actors.
That was what I was saying. I am not in any way attempting to diminish his rhetoric, but to point out what it is: controlled opposition. The question for RFK (and anyone really) is who is he really working for?
Again, not even slightly what I am suggesting. I never suggested any "abandonment" of Trump. I never suggested "adopting RFK." I was attempting to spark conversation on the real play for Q. What is on the surface is not what is underneath.
I come from the point of view that everyone at the top has been at some point compromised. All evidence points in that direction. We know without any doubt that Trump is controlled by Q. Some people think that Trump "leads" Q. I don't believe that for a second, there is too much evidence against it, but that he is their acting agent, and is well aware of that fact, is supported by overwhelming evidence. Trump is their front man, and this project has been in the works for a while. That doesn't in any way mean he hasn't been previously compromised by the Cabal.
All evidence suggests that the Q team is made up of Cabal insiders. Everything points to Trump, and numerous other people that I think are on the Q team having previously being compromised by the Cabal. There is nothing wrong with that, that is just how the world works. It's really that simple. I have never suggested that RFK isn't also compromised, on the contrary, all evidence points to that as well.
This is all a Show. It's all an act. Everyone is moving at direction. Who is the current Director?
I think the Q team currently sits at the top of everything. I think it is possible that they have taken out the very top of the Cabal, and lead The Show from there. I can't imagine that they could have so much control otherwise. Regardless of the veracity of that, that things are not what they appear to be on the surface is unquestionable. That is obviously the case, and literally everyone here knows it. What is questionable is how exactly a person is compromised. who is their handler. Who do they think is their handler, and has their handler changed over time (and do they know it).
RFK may very well be controlled opposition for the Cabal, but he also may very well be controlled opposition for team Q. I think the second is almost certainly the case. The question then is, does he know it? Who knows? I do think it is entirely possible that he does know it however, and if so, this Show may lead in surprising directions.
I wanted to spark up a conversation about that possibility. Apparently that is impossible. Despite all evidence to the contrary, too many think that what they see on the surface tells them everything they need to know about everyone. They are well aware that everyone else has been compromised by the Cabal, but when it comes to key people, they believe it's all on the surface.
This is what True Belief does to a person, and why it is so difficult to counteract brainwashing. "Yes, everything else is compromised, but the things I believe in are all true."
It's ludicrous really, but there it is.
I didn’t mean deep dive as in long ago or blood lines. I was talking about a few years ago . What is his stance on election fraud. Jan 6. Climate change , gun control, He mentioned a few of these topics when I was in his company. Agss as in , with that sss as if I think he is a good guy and I will always love him for his vaxx research and his work to save the children .
I appreciate you taking the time to discuss your ideas on RFK in a non-attacking manner. I had started this post in the hopes to discuss something that I had noticed. It wasn't just in my conversation with my sister. I have been noticing certain patterns of ideas in many areas and wanted to discuss it. I was never intending to "push" RFK or "diminish" Trump, yet everyone seems to think that is what I was doing. I'm not sure where that idea came from, but it is what it is.
I think you are missing some important information, some of which is just what I was really trying to discuss, and who I think RFK really is (a controlled opposition agent). His particular stances are largely irrelevant, since I don't think they are really his, rather his stances are the rhetoric he is supposed to push as such an agent. I've outlined these ideas in other responses in this thread so I won't belabor it here.
I was talking about the Q plan, and potential subtleties within it; possible maneuvers based on an observation. There is nothing in what I said about "something I wanted," or that I thought was a "good idea." I just wanted thoughts on the idea of reducing divisiveness, and how it might facilitate leading into the GA, since that is the ultimate goal.
Despite some of his potential past stances (as an agent of controlled opposition), RFK sits in a unique position to potentially create a unification beyond what Trump can do. I just wanted to explore that idea. It seems it is impossible to do that here.
Oh well.
Thank you for your time to explain your thoughts . I think most people on here including me are a bit beat up from all thst has ha opened since Nov when the Dems stole the election . Then we kept thinking we were going to arrest them and take back our country and then J6 happened and s as ll the horror since . The demons have done so much and have tried so hard to destroy DJT these past few years I think most of us are trying to be loyal to him and attack any word that appears to go agaisnt him or his ability to take over what was and is rightfully his ,,, the control as in CNC of this country . The problem I have with anyone being President including RFK who I do like is ,,, we k ow 100 percent what DJT has done, he has showed us , we have examples of his work leadership . We can only hear what others will do once in , but no proof if this will take place . Everyone promises and then it’s crap all over again . I would like to see RFK with DJT together destroy the demons and repair this country … I was actually a bit pissed that he didn’t have Faucis position like was hinted back in 2019 . Had RFK been involved this country would not have been destroyed with NOVID or thd jabs , but the demons that be obviously had more power and control and we’re not going to allow tgst . I believe DJT’s hands were a bit tied last time and he was screwed by many who were not on his side , I believe he’s learned a lot since then .
We live in a world of illusion. One of the biggest illusion is that we are nearly equally divided. That illusion feeds the narrative President Trump is divisive. The reality is he is the most unifying force in American politics in the last 100 years, if not longer.
The reality is the MAGA movement is an overwhelming majority in this country, it generated at least 74 million real votes in the 2020 election. He unified at least an additional 11 million voters during his first term.
The DS created the illusion that Biden received 81 million votes to provide cover for the fact they were only able to narrowly rig the Electoral College. The difference in the Electoral College was only 42,000 votes across three states.
We are more united than divided. If we had free and fair elections it would be painfully obvious. We, MAGA, are the majority and growing every day. RFK Jr. is not a believer in MAGA which means he is not part of the greatest unifying political movement America has ever seen. That makes it pretty difficult to be a truly unifying force.
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I never suggested I thought we were equally divided. On the contrary, I think we most certainly are not. I think it is probably more like 60-40, or maybe even 70-30 in the "red-blue" dividing lines. But even 70-30 is over a hundred million people in this country alone and billions worldwide that have violently opposed ideas of what we should be doing. Even more, their ideas have merit, even if they are missing important pieces of information, and that is never considered by the "other side."
Both the blue team and the red team are controlled opposition. They get their ideas based on "the truth" in scope. Both sides are then pushed a narrative that constantly states "the other side is lying." My investigation suggests they are both correct on all counts. All ideas on both sides both contain important elements of the truth, AND the other side really is lying. They are the truth in the sense that they are based on fundamental problems within society and the other side is leaving out those pieces of truth when they address them. It is this ignoring the good parts of what the "other side" is actually saying that creates the division in the first place.
THAT is the real illusion. Neither side is getting the really important pieces of the truth. Both sides leave out all the most important bits.
The "majority" is irrelevant, at least in the sense of "what is truth," or "what is best." It just means more people believe in one side of the illlusion than the other. There are layers of lies upon layers of illusion upon layers of lies upon layers of illusion, etc. The reality is a palimpsest of illusions, laid one upon the other, obfuscating what they really want to hide from everyone.
Thus those that "dig" go down a layer and think, "this is the truth they are trying to hide." No, that's not even close. That's just the next layer of illusion, placed there to ensure that the one percent that get there, don't get to the layer beneath that. One percent of that one percent get to the next layer and think "THIS is the truth they are trying to hide." Etc.
The illusion runs much deeper and is far more "crazy" than most have any idea of.
RFK Jr. is controlled opposition. The rhetoric he pushes he is pushing because his handlers tell him to push it. What he personally "believes" is irrelevant, and I seriously doubt anyone knows what that is. He works for someone, and does what he is told.
Who he is working for (or who he thinks he is working for) is the question. I don't know the answer, but it could be that he is working for Q. As a separate consideration, it could be that he knows he is working for Q (though he may have no idea). There are indications that might be the case. I can't make a really good case for it, but it is certainly not impossible. If he is however, his role could be more substantial than it appears. I had wanted to discuss that possibility, but it seems the Trump worship is too strong to even give entertainment to any such ideas.
So sad to see so little upvotes and equal downvotes to this post.
At the risk of being slammed, I'm sad because I see it indicative of a failure on the part of some to really embrace and understand the Q operation.
This post asks questions, invites discussion. Whether one thinks the OP is crazy or finds his ideas offensive (yes, just because you're maga, doesn't mean you have fully thrown off the 'emotional outrage virus' that has infected so much of the world, primarily through that virus carrier we know as the raging liberal), it's an invitation to a topic that warrants some discussion, if only to clarify and illuminate.
(Personally, if I could vote, I'd never vote fo anyone other than Trump. RFK jr does't even come close to the awesomeness of DJT. Not even a whiff. But I really appreciate the fact that the OP is asking questions of the board, and sad to a reddit-like response on the part of some rather than a GAW- Q-based thinking response.)
Edit: Lol, the downvotes. Man, GAW never used to be like reddit. At least to my recollection. But these days.... Anyway, putting my money where my mouth is. Wrote and posted a reply to the OPs questions. If nothing else, the post is an opportunity for people to reflect, clarify and strengthen their conviction about why DJT is the man and RFK is not the man. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Instead, engage in productive discussion with him!
My curiosity is piqued, and I'm going to attempt a reply.
I guess I am pretty skeptical that anyone who knows - is saavy - on what is going down can think that Pres. RFK would be a good idea or not think that Trump was made for this time and role.
There are a whole lot of reasons why I think that, but it would take a long conversation to really lay them out.
Hmmmm.... "Overly divisive". It begs the question, what is the RIGHT amount of divisive, then?
Here's one of the reasons why I am convinced DJT is 'the man for the hour":
There are two types of division. Division is an external dynamic, but in the world we live in, which hinges on the foundation of spiritual reality, the external dynamic itself can be neutral, but the invisible, the intent, the purpose behind it is what defines its value.
Thus, (in this framework) there are two types of division: The purpose of one is to 'divide and conquer', which is to destroy and beat someone into submission. Evil does this by dividing, by causing conflict, the purpose of which is to destroy the presence of unity and goodness rooted in God. To separate from God and enslave.
But God also uses division. This division is to cause 'separation from evil'. When evil - in whatever form - lies, manipulation, etc - is separated out, then the good nature has a chance to revive, to be empowered, and to lead the way to freedom.
The division the marxists employ is always to undermine the value of the Christian West, their main and primary roadblock. Thus, lies are no problem. The division that God-centered forces use (and by that, i don't mean religious forces but persons and parties working on the same side as God) is rooted in truth; in exposing the lies, clarifying the true, proper nature of things, in order to raise and bring together.
America, and the world, has been so diseased, so evil-addled, that this painful division is absolutely necessary. The root and foundation by which evil has infiltrated the USA has to be exposed, and shown for what it is, regardless of how painful or difficult that is. Otherwise, the country will truly be lost, and with it, the world.
RFK comes across to me very much as a relativist, as indicated by his ability to respond and resonate with the Climate Change agenda, and with numerous leftist agendas - all of which, regardless of the good intents of people caught up in them - are being driven and enslaved to the Satanic globalist agenda: slavery.
Any unity that RFK could bring would not be worth having, imo. Why? Because without returning to God, and truth, and exposing ALL the evil that has infected the nations, that evil will not be liquidated or eradicated. And, it will infiltrate again, more quickly, and more effectively. IMO.
Wouldn't vote for him. Do not think he would be anywhere near as good for the country as DJT. Like, if DJT is 90 points out of 100 good for the country, RFK would be like, maybe 20. But, the thinking itself isn't on point in my view. The reasons I support DJT are plentiful and reinforced and refined over 8 years.
The world is teetering on the brink of disaster. RFK is no match for that, imo.
Honest debate? You cannot have honest debate as long as the participants are engaged in bad faith, i.e. they are not really interested in illuminating the points by debate, but are interested in destroying the other person in order to advance the agendas of greed, manipulation and corruption.
And because all of the mainstream establishment figures - Neo-Marxists or RINOS - are slaves to that agenda, you need a blowtorch, dynamite, a massive claymore, to cut through and slice through all of that. Painful, but 100% necessary.
The propaganda machine has been attempting to divide and conquer, by keeping their masses asleep and fearful hateful of those that threaten the DS. But for the past 7 years, they have been losing more and more, and unless you haven't noticed, the unity around trump is more and more coalescing into an unstoppable force. In other words, the propaganda driven division is dying, and the unity rooted in truth is increasing. IMO.
How would RFK becoming president be justice? Is the Presidency a prize, to be given to those who 'deserve it'? Because their father or uncle or sister or son was murdered?
Obviously no. The presidency is a role that serves the people. Listen to the speech by the Argentinian Pres elect. An elected official can NEVER be above those he is elected to represent. RFk becoming president would not be justice. RFK becoming the president the country needs, that would be justice, but he's not that.
I'd suggest two things here: One, if anyone dislikes Trump or find he grates on them, and is unable to recognize the role he is playing, then I think such a person would benefit from introspective reflection. What is it about Trump that I dislike? Why? What does he trigger in me? Is there something for me to recognize here?
The idea is not to blame, but rather, to prompt reflection as to WHY that person dislikes or cannot see what Trump is and what he is actually doing.
Secondly, the worry or fear that people's attachment to Trump is idol worship or slipping into Trump Worship is similar. I think it warrants some introspection as to why that feeling arises. It's already clear that its worrying and connected with some sort of fear. But I think that misses so much of the reality.
This is what the left does: they look at Trump, why people like him, resonate with him, and are willing to stand up with him, and they conclude, they must be brainwashed, nuts, extremists. In other words, they are unable to recognize the real nature of the connection that people are experiencing with Trump as a leader, as a national figure, and they interpret it based on their own internal state.
No offense intended, but I think those points are probably worth thinking about. Because personally, I hold to the conviction that DJT is where he is and who he is because of a much bigger plan. And I'm not talking about the Q operation. As such, I don't see at this juncture how one can imagine the Q operation or the unfolding restoration of the USA without Trump at the center. Not because of him or his personality, but because of his character and commitment, and dedication to the principles that can restore the USA and the world.
Insider? Well, you can walk in the jungle, but it doesn't mean that you're a hyena.
Anyway, that's my view.
Guns. I’m gonna keep them. Voting for Trump.
No Offense to your Sister....Maybe ask her without DJT...where would we be right now...and Who does she think could have been better to fill his shoes...much less handle what he, and his family have endured since he came down the Escalator?? What MORE does this man have to do, to earn peoples vote? Sorry, at this point it is not a popularity contest...It is an ASS - Kicking contest!
This isn't about Trump before, this is about going forward. These are questions regarding potential ideas on The Plan.
I've had three responses, and not a single one of them addressed a single question I asked. Instead they are nothing but proclamations of Trump worship. That is quite worrying.
Have you ever heard of the Old addage : You dance with the one that brought ya? IF Trump wants back in, and He isn't doing ALL these Rallies, just to do them, then that is your Immediate Future. AND this is NOT Trump worship...He IS the Face of "The Plan"
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Reparations for blacks? Climate hoax and Paris Accord? Gun grabs? Says he is needed for economy?
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The quivering voice. On a call to the Kremlin… how loud will the laugher be in the background. Nope, plenty of reasons besides his quivering voice.
I agree that JR has a small amount of views that may be aligned with our cause, but no where near the core principals that we seek. To much of his dream is more of the same and he is not willing to cut off the head of the snake, he is still part of the snake.
Imagine if JFK jr did come back and slapped around his cousin for being a bitch dem
I will only vote for Trump. I’ll write his name in if necessary. Forget RFK Jr. Research this board and he is not a good candidate.
I know Trump will be Sly. But Fall of the Cabal Part 10 points to someone else may, may take the reigns. But things can change in Future Proves Past. The US needs a heavy hand to reverse all the damage and handle all the brainwashed DemoLibs and demolish the Cabal corruption. And DJT is the only guy to not be soft, and bring punitive justice where it is needed, and bring peace where it is needed. RFK is a bit too left, to handle the punitive side that MUST take place, to make sure it never happens again.
Could he be President after? Maybe he would be a good fit after, to bring all together. By then we will need a softer heart to heal from the court cases and tribunals that are surly coming.
I suggest the Cabal leadership has already been removed completely. There is no other way we would be seeing what we are seeing. What is happening now is a Q controlled show. If that is the case, what the US needs is for We The People to be the heavy hand. We must save ourselves (or at least appear to) for the GA to be complete. Any "savior" figure will be a loss for the GA, not a win.
That is why this is not about Trump. This is about We The People, period. The perception must be, at least at first, and on some level, that We The People are the real power. We must get that before we can move forward through our Awakening.
But the current majority of We The People are going to choose Trump. It’s not that he is our “savior”. No God, Christ is our savior. But Trump is currently operating as our modern David vs Goliath. Or our stone chosen to sling and take down Goliath aka the Cabal.
But what comes after is all up in the air Sly. That’s all I know so far on this.
I appreciate that you are saying that. i appreciate that you believe that. But there are plenty of people here that seem to see Trump as a necessary savior, or at least they push rhetoric that suggests it, I don't know what they actually believe. Indeed, it isn't just here that I see that apparent belief. It is all over. Too many feel that we can't do it on our own. That we are too divided, and the Cabal is too powerful. They see the enemy as "the democrats" and Trump as our savior over them. But the enemy is not the democrats. The enemy is the Cabal. It is us saving the brainwashed from their programming that is most important. It is in removing the propaganda that keeps us divided that we win (or at least start on that path to victory in earnest).
That's a fair point, and I do think it is a likely sequence of events. In my conversation with my sister however, I saw potential merits in a pre 2024 unity, to get the ball rolling on us saving ourselves. A potential RFK olive branch to get us actually talking with each other.
I see We The People as the real power. I see the things that keep us from talking in earnest, the belief that one side is right, and the other is wrong, as the real enemy, assuming that the Cabal leadership has indeed been removed as I suspect ("strings cut", etc.).
Sure, RFK for POTUS in '24. Surprise! Trump was just kidding the whole time!
Good grief OP, pushing for that rat to be our POTUS? Maybe AOC for VP while you're at it, and a new shiny object for A.G too! It might be THE PLAN after all!
RFKjr is on the wrong side of a majority of important issues, if his past speeches are an indication. Just being on our side on the shots is not nearly enough.
Nope, his stances on climate change and gun control in the past make him unelectable against President Trump. He might get votes that would have gone to Biden but that's it. No Trump supporter, I know, would vote for RFK, jr.
RFK is not the man. Look at everything Trump has had to endure, and yet, has not wavered. He is the instrument.
This is no ordinary event. This is a game-changing period in the history of man; thrusting off the yolk in a battle between good and evil. Clearly, in the role of world leader taking on evil - ancient, all encompassing, control-of-the-world evil and take us to hell - in the channels of world politics and culture, this is the leader on the side of good.
But there is always a need for each to choose, and the ability to see, or not see. Trump is imperfect, and one must look past that to see why it is him. One must make a choice, and in that choice is the question: why did you not see? why are you unable to see, and choose the good? Then what side are you on, and enabling?
I'm voting for Trump in 2024. And if he's not on the ticket NO ONE gets a vote except for my write in for Trump, and all possible efforts to be a (completely legal) inconvenience for all possible political figures will become my new hobby.
The behavior those in politics and the government have displayed is intolerable, and voting will be shown to be nothing but a waste of time scam if we don't see justice in 2024. It must be Trump in office, and if that fails I will not be checking in unless perhaps its one of his kids on the ticket also wanting to rectify was happened in 2020.