Yes. You must look at the beginning BEFORE it was corrupted. Jesus and his Apostles, God, Mary and the Holy Spirit.
I was strictly raised as an atheist. My father said there is no God. The Bible was written by man. And priests are just a bunch of parasites. The rest of my family remain strict atheists now. Whatever my father said was law and the absolute truth.
I believed everything was nature. I was a carbon being and would return to earth as carbon when I died. I tried to do good because it was the right thing to do. If God wanted to punish me when I died after a lifetime of good deeds, then he was egocentric and I didn't care. I was such an atheist, I thought religious people were weak and needed a "crutch". I also thought they weren't very bright. I even asked someone to have God "move that chair" if he existed. If you do research, you will find many bright, accomplished people believe in God. Even scientists and philosophers.
Then I had a life-changing experience which brought me to a level so low, it was excruciating. I needed help. I needed hope. At that time I turned to God for help. I learned the history of Jesus. I experienced hope, faith and redemption. It is a great comfort to me now, and I believe it to be true.
Having lived with and without faith, I choose faith.
I was able to accept God, because it is taught it rains on the good and the bad.
I don't think EVERYTHING happens just so because it is God's intention. Sometimes it's just bad luck. I've seen good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people.
There was woman sitting in her home with her son on her lap during a battle. A bomb just fell on them. God didn't intend for that to happen.
In retrospect I can appreciate the use of rituals. I don't go to church but there's something meaningful about a life organized around sacraments and that sort of thing. Rituals take you out of your own life and reminds us of the bigger picture. A lot of people will just fall into mindlessly living day by day without some form of ritual ingrained into their lives.
I was an atheist because of two things. One, my experiences with the Catholic Church, and two, the indoctrination I received in college. As a result of the hypocritical bullshit spewed by the church (man’s coping interpretations) compared to what’s actually God’s word in the Bible, the pressure and brainwashing from teachers, students, media, I was pushed into atheism. I was lost and looking for answers and no one could give them to me.
After coming across Q and reading the Bible front to back myself, I have found God once again. I do believe that Jesus is the living son of God who died, was resurrected and rose again. He is my savior and the savior of all mankind. My journey is far from over and I am still a sinner begging for God’s forgiveness, but knowing what I do now, I could never go back to being an atheist. The biggest thing I have learned from reading the Bible is that I cannot put my faith nor trust in the misguided interpretations of man and the church; I can only put my faith and trust into Jesus and God.
You will probably receive some backlash for your post, but, don’t let it get you down. The important thing is that you have found God. May your faith be unwavering and may he always watch and protect over you until the day he brings you home.
Perhaps the question is framed backwards....how many have found Christ and redemption due to the unhinged, ever changing, atheistic de-humanizing philophophies of men?
I was raised in a very secular family so I only became interested when I started studying things for myself. Every hardcore atheist I have ever met was just someone traumatized by their rigid (probably evangelical) upbringing. I think a lot of atheists are intelligent people who weren't provided good enough answers growing up. "Just love Jesus" doesn't help people who are more intellectually inclined, unless they come to accept it after a long journey.
yes, I was turned off by dogmatic Christianity and spent 20 years as an atheist.
now I am an increasingly dogmatic Christian. Because I understand its truth from many perspectives.
Find yourself a KJV. Read it. Believe it. it does indeed contain keys to salvation. No, the Word of God is not a book. no, the Bible does not speak all truths clearly.
But within that book is the Word of God. within that book is Truth. For the questions it is not clear on, it tells you how to get clearer answers.
Buddhism is a science. it is subject to human error. what you need is grace, which is developed by developing your relationship with your creator.
you will never find a loophole to heaven through some other means than Jesus Christ.
What you should pray for is a less dogmatic understanding of who that being is and what He represents.
the hatred in you is apparent. humility before God will clear the fog for you.
I experienced the opposite. Atheists I've known tend to be vicious people and some of the unhappiest.
The difference is that most Christians are being annoying out of love. Whether they're right or wrong, they genuinely believe they are helping you. I've never felt atheist recruitment to be coming from a place of love, and they can be just as annoying as the overzealous Christians.
As I got older, I started to question - what kind of society would I want to live in? One in which everyone was atheist and I was a Christian or one in which everyone was a Christian and I was an atheist? Looking at the historical record, the latter is far preferable to the former.
I don’t know what to believe, so I rely on my intuition to help me reach that answer. I am leery of anyone trying to push any religion or make me follow made up rules to belong. There's a difference between religious and spiritual. I opt for spiritual
any type of organized religion will fail... because there's people involved.... those religious "leaders" inject their beliefs into religion and screw it all up. example... if you're a Luteran and go to a Catholic mass you're not allowed to take communion!! where in the bible is this stated!! silly rules like this are turning people away from God. we have enough drama in our lives... I'm pretty sure that God won't banish you to hell if you take communion in another church.... if you're not part of the special little gang, then you can't participate.... C'mon, Man!!!
Not to the same extent as you as I never went full atheist. Just a lot of experiences with people that made me question what it means to be Christian. Largely because of Dogmatics that either hid behind the Bible to justify being assholes and cruel.
Or because they accepted everything from the pulpit and parroted it without any original thoughts, even when evidence otherwise was slapping them upside the head, and the attempts to quash dissent and questions. Not to mention a steadfast refusal to educate themselves on the History of the Book they planned their lives around was mind boggling.
The amount of people I’ve met who for instance never realized the Bible was a compilation of dozens if not hundreds of separate texts compiled by early church leaders over the course of a number of decades, or potentially one or two conclaves of early church leaders, at least depending on the source you use. Was mind boggling.
Don’t even get me started on the differences between Hebrew Translations and modern English Bibles.
Not to mention the energy waisted attacking other Christians and Christians denominations over comparatively trivial differences in opinion. Which is also served to illustrate to me how and why American Christians have been on the back foot and constantly giving ground to the woke for 70+ years in society and in multiple cases. Their own churches. They’re still stuck fighting the bloody reformation. Instead of making common cause.
Closest I ever got to Atheism was briefly considering myself agnostic. I consider myself Christian again. And I occasionally still attend a Church as I do still find some nostalgic comfort in the Mass and Hymns. But I can’t say there’s a denomination I’d reliably fit under anymore.
I’m just me. And ultimately I’ll need to answer to God on whether the imperfect life I’ve lived was acceptable.
Though There is something inherently Ironic though that it took a Man who by most measurable metrics doesn’t fit what most denominations consider to be a “Model” Christian. To get American Christians to actually put their perpetual inter-denominational feuds and disagreements on hold and actually organize a concerted United resistance.
Very well said. And yes, isn't it great that Trump was chosen to help us in this fight!
Kim Clement on Trump:
February 10, 2007
There will be a praying president, not a religious one.12 For I will fool the people, says the Lord. I will fool the people, yes I will.13 God says, the one that is chosen shall go in, and they shall say, “he has hot blood.”14 For the Spirit of God says, yes, he may have hot blood, but he will bring the walls of protection on this country in a greater way, and the economy of this country shall change rapidly,15 says the Lord of hosts.
Listen to the word of the Lord. God says, “I will put at your helm for two terms16 a president that will pray, but he will not be a praying president when he starts. I will put him in office, and then I will baptize him with the Holy Spirit and My power,17 says the Lord of hosts.
April 4, 2007
“This that shall take place shall be the most unusual thing,6 a transfiguration, a going into the marketplace, if you wish, into the news media, where Time Magazine will have no choice but to say what I want them to say.7 Newsweek, what I want them to say. The View, what I want them to say. Trump shall become a trumpet,8 says the Lord. Trump shall become a trumpet. I will raise up the Trump to become a trumpet, and Bill Gates to open up the gate of a financial realm for the church,9 says the Lord….
For God said, “I will not forget 9/11. I will not forget what took place that day, and I will not forget the gatekeeper that watched over New York,10 who will once again stand and watch over this nation,” says the Spirit of God. “It shall come to pass that the man that I shall place in the highest office shall go in whispering My name. But God said, when he enters into the office, he will be shouting out by the power of the Spirit. For I shall fill Him with My Spirit when he goes into office, and there will be a praying man in the highest seat in your land.11
When I was young the church and the culture, ignorance, and double standards of the church hen community and the drama and behind-the-back shit that went on made me vehemently loathe it. I was 26 when I figured it out for myself that Christ is the way and those people were just a bunch of idiots.
I see it as we are all bobbing up and down in an ocean. A big beautiful ship arrives. That is our salvation. It is God. There are many ladders that we could climb but there are people guarding those ladders saying that if we want to climb their ladder we have to believe everything they believe and we have to do what they say.
One ladder is Jesus Christ, one is Mohammed, one is Krishna, one is Buddha, etc.
It is easier to choose one ladder and dedicate yourself to climbing that one until you are on the ship. Instead people fall from one ladder so they try another one.
The one ladder that stands out though is the one with Jesus Christ.
The other religions believe in Karmic Debt. Being re-incarnated over and over until you get it right.
Christ is the only one saying "Don't worry about your karmic debt - I paid it off for you. All you need to do now to get on the ship is simply ask.
I don't know of any Christian who ever became atheist, not a single one.
The church is corrupt, it has been for centuries. That fact has no bearing on my faith.
"Religion" has always been a turn off for me. Religion is man's ideas of how to please God and always involves doing something...work, work, and more work. You cannot earn or work for salvation because it is a free gift of God. You just have to believe it, The Gospel, in order to appropriate it. Nothing else is required.
I think there is faith in respect. When I think about what Jesus actually did for us–– Him becoming human just to save us, and all He went through to accomplish that––well, it almost breaks my mind. Respect turns to wonder.
I’ve settled down, too. I’ve had my own problems with God (and His church), but it was never about His existence because He proved His reality to me pretty strongly at a young age. The controversies I had with Him were more personal, issues between me and Him that involved things like yelling and accusations. I know, the foolishness of contending with God, but the Bible is filled with stories about imperfect people doing just that and even getting blessed in the end, so I don’t think it’s far removed from the realm of faith, which I view as based on relationship more than anything else.
In any case, religious treadmills never helped me resolve anything. It was God, who wouldn’t let me go. (Romans 9:16––So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.) A lot of my problems came from what I had been taught to believe about the way things worked, and when I finally saw the truth, I had to cast aside the notion that the New Covenant worked like the Law of Moses. It’s pretty clear in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that it doesn’t. It mirrors the faith of Abraham, not the national covenant God made with Abraham's descendants.
Trying to retrofit the effort-dependent operation of Jewish religious law (for the purpose of becoming righteous before God) into a covenant system that works exclusively by grace (that bestows righteousness on the one who believes Jesus) is the very thing that has rendered many denominational groups and even many non-affiliated swing-from-the-rafters type churches lifeless and loveless. That religious hybrid can look pretty good on the outside, whatever its form, but it’s simply not the truth, and I think it's a big part of what’s messing people up in the church(es).
In the Oera Linda Bok this is Frya's TEX the first line. But before I do, please review the name: Frya, spoken as free-a or one that is free.
Salvation awaits the free. At last they will see me again. But he alone may I recognize as free who is not a slave to another nor to his urges:
and
If anyone is found among you who sells his own freedom, he is not of your people, he is a bastard with corrupted blood.
This is the TEX of Frya in terms of the relationship of the individual, the group and "God". Of note here is that the word: Wrâlda is indicative of the originator/creator:
So when the need is dire, and good counsel and good deeds have no more power, call upon the spirit of Wrâlda; but you must not call upon him until all things
tried. But I tell you with reason, and time will make it true: The despondent shall always succumb under their own suffering.
This is what [Ne]Hellenia said:
Frya has brought us to the road, and the "Kroder", that is Time, must do the rest; for all disasters there is advice and help. But Wrâlda wants us to look for it ourselves, that we may become strong and wise. If we will not, then he (Wrâlda) let's us rage in our bewilderment, that we may experience, what follows from wise deeds and what follows from foolish deeds.
In terms of preventing people from making their own choices:
Well possible, replied Hellenia , for then men would remain like tame sheep , thou and the priests would want to herd them, but also shew and slaughter them. But that is not what our deity wants; he wants us to help one another, but he also wants everyone to be free and wise.
And with that we see the whole of our world right before us. Whether it is an open border and mass-immigration, cities like Chicago, Detroit, Boston going to waste, Ukraine, Gaza, religious strife, zealotry, dependence on .gov handouts, micromanaging of people's lives, .gov subsidies for electric cars, CTR, white supremacy, doo-gooders, and billionaire philanthropists who, in the name of public health, destroy your livelihood, your living body and your freedom, you name it. It is right there in those words.
And it is not that these words were only heard 4200 years ago. Think of the Declaration if Independence, the Bill of Rights, Washington's Farewell Address of 1793: Liberty requires virtue.
The book even describes several types of people, called the children of Finda and Lydas. The first love laws for every little thing, but break them nonetheless. The latter are schemers and scammers all the way through.
But what do all these have in common? These people are not operating from the correct basis.
Can people be slaves to their own emotions? Their own lust? Sure. It matters not what label one carries, what the belief system is such people are adherents to. Once emotion takes over, wisdom goes out the door. What matters then is the foundational salient.
And this foundational salient must be taught to the young, and our mothers, our wives, our girls who will grow up to be mothers, play a role of conservation of this basic idea.
Where we all are coming from, is not from a position of knowing this cognitively. We have to relearn it. Hence, does it makes sense to complain about it, when we encounter such display of slave mentality? Or does it bring in us about an indomitable spirit?
It is funny, really. The book mentions how liberty is lost. By graft, by narratives, by laws and regulations that cannot stand the test of time, by multi-culti-shit, by alien rituals, by statues, by perversion of language, yeah, even by the institution of usury. These all lead to the corruption of virtue. But this is the world we are coming from.
The main question then is: who are we? Children of Lydas? Children of Finda? Or, are we in the process of returning back to ourselves and be Children of Frya?
To attain liberty is not a small feat, these days. In that spirit these words ring true:
Wrâlda's spirit may only be thanked on bended knee, Yes, threefold, for what you have enjoyed from him (1), for what you enjoy (2) and for the hope he leaves you in anxious times (3).
Perhaps this is more important than anything else. What are we grateful for and what is the hope that lives within us, despite these anxious times. I happen to think that such an attitude of thankfulness will bridge any gap of whatever nature there may be.
I took some time and read as many of the Holy books as I could and found the only one that made any sense was the Bible. Consistently and in context. Not the way they teach it at Church, or most churches anyhow
I felt that way when I was younger. I then figured out what Authentic Christianity is. Dogmatic Christianity is not Christianity at all.
Amen.
Yes. You must look at the beginning BEFORE it was corrupted. Jesus and his Apostles, God, Mary and the Holy Spirit.
I was strictly raised as an atheist. My father said there is no God. The Bible was written by man. And priests are just a bunch of parasites. The rest of my family remain strict atheists now. Whatever my father said was law and the absolute truth.
I believed everything was nature. I was a carbon being and would return to earth as carbon when I died. I tried to do good because it was the right thing to do. If God wanted to punish me when I died after a lifetime of good deeds, then he was egocentric and I didn't care. I was such an atheist, I thought religious people were weak and needed a "crutch". I also thought they weren't very bright. I even asked someone to have God "move that chair" if he existed. If you do research, you will find many bright, accomplished people believe in God. Even scientists and philosophers.
Then I had a life-changing experience which brought me to a level so low, it was excruciating. I needed help. I needed hope. At that time I turned to God for help. I learned the history of Jesus. I experienced hope, faith and redemption. It is a great comfort to me now, and I believe it to be true.
Having lived with and without faith, I choose faith.
for me its closely tied with my truther side. i saw the evils in the world and i saw no real solution.
i decided to have faith that all the right people would be in all the right places to save the world.
now we have Q. all the right people in all the right places. faith is amazing.
I was able to accept God, because it is taught it rains on the good and the bad.
I don't think EVERYTHING happens just so because it is God's intention. Sometimes it's just bad luck. I've seen good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people.
There was woman sitting in her home with her son on her lap during a battle. A bomb just fell on them. God didn't intend for that to happen.
All the ritualism of the church never sat right with me.
In retrospect I can appreciate the use of rituals. I don't go to church but there's something meaningful about a life organized around sacraments and that sort of thing. Rituals take you out of your own life and reminds us of the bigger picture. A lot of people will just fall into mindlessly living day by day without some form of ritual ingrained into their lives.
I was an atheist because of two things. One, my experiences with the Catholic Church, and two, the indoctrination I received in college. As a result of the hypocritical bullshit spewed by the church (man’s coping interpretations) compared to what’s actually God’s word in the Bible, the pressure and brainwashing from teachers, students, media, I was pushed into atheism. I was lost and looking for answers and no one could give them to me.
After coming across Q and reading the Bible front to back myself, I have found God once again. I do believe that Jesus is the living son of God who died, was resurrected and rose again. He is my savior and the savior of all mankind. My journey is far from over and I am still a sinner begging for God’s forgiveness, but knowing what I do now, I could never go back to being an atheist. The biggest thing I have learned from reading the Bible is that I cannot put my faith nor trust in the misguided interpretations of man and the church; I can only put my faith and trust into Jesus and God.
You will probably receive some backlash for your post, but, don’t let it get you down. The important thing is that you have found God. May your faith be unwavering and may he always watch and protect over you until the day he brings you home.
Thank you fren!
Perhaps the question is framed backwards....how many have found Christ and redemption due to the unhinged, ever changing, atheistic de-humanizing philophophies of men?
The reason the world sucks is because people have turned away from God.
I reject dogmas of any form.
God is about love, and i know there's a lot of dogmatic preachers who are leading flocks along the wrong path. eg: the pope
Amen
I was raised in a very secular family so I only became interested when I started studying things for myself. Every hardcore atheist I have ever met was just someone traumatized by their rigid (probably evangelical) upbringing. I think a lot of atheists are intelligent people who weren't provided good enough answers growing up. "Just love Jesus" doesn't help people who are more intellectually inclined, unless they come to accept it after a long journey.
Well stated. This type of post was meant for follow-ups like this.
A lot of atheists have daddy issues in my experience
Yes that's a great observation. So true!
yes, I was turned off by dogmatic Christianity and spent 20 years as an atheist.
now I am an increasingly dogmatic Christian. Because I understand its truth from many perspectives.
Find yourself a KJV. Read it. Believe it. it does indeed contain keys to salvation. No, the Word of God is not a book. no, the Bible does not speak all truths clearly.
But within that book is the Word of God. within that book is Truth. For the questions it is not clear on, it tells you how to get clearer answers.
Buddhism is a science. it is subject to human error. what you need is grace, which is developed by developing your relationship with your creator.
you will never find a loophole to heaven through some other means than Jesus Christ.
What you should pray for is a less dogmatic understanding of who that being is and what He represents.
the hatred in you is apparent. humility before God will clear the fog for you.
Agnosticism you mean? Because atheism requires far more faith than either of the other options.
I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is.
Albert Camus
I experienced the opposite. Atheists I've known tend to be vicious people and some of the unhappiest.
The difference is that most Christians are being annoying out of love. Whether they're right or wrong, they genuinely believe they are helping you. I've never felt atheist recruitment to be coming from a place of love, and they can be just as annoying as the overzealous Christians.
As I got older, I started to question - what kind of society would I want to live in? One in which everyone was atheist and I was a Christian or one in which everyone was a Christian and I was an atheist? Looking at the historical record, the latter is far preferable to the former.
Atheists can be just as annoying. Same goes for Buddhists, Hindus, etc.
And the world I would want to live in has no dogmatic teachings and no angry atheists. People need to find the middle way on their spiritual path.
I don’t know what to believe, so I rely on my intuition to help me reach that answer. I am leery of anyone trying to push any religion or make me follow made up rules to belong. There's a difference between religious and spiritual. I opt for spiritual
I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist
Truly, I don't.
That said, everyone gets to decide for themselves.
God knows His own and His timing for them.
Hmmm.
Lord, may all the principles I cling to be incontrovertibly true.
any type of organized religion will fail... because there's people involved.... those religious "leaders" inject their beliefs into religion and screw it all up. example... if you're a Luteran and go to a Catholic mass you're not allowed to take communion!! where in the bible is this stated!! silly rules like this are turning people away from God. we have enough drama in our lives... I'm pretty sure that God won't banish you to hell if you take communion in another church.... if you're not part of the special little gang, then you can't participate.... C'mon, Man!!!
Not to the same extent as you as I never went full atheist. Just a lot of experiences with people that made me question what it means to be Christian. Largely because of Dogmatics that either hid behind the Bible to justify being assholes and cruel.
Or because they accepted everything from the pulpit and parroted it without any original thoughts, even when evidence otherwise was slapping them upside the head, and the attempts to quash dissent and questions. Not to mention a steadfast refusal to educate themselves on the History of the Book they planned their lives around was mind boggling.
The amount of people I’ve met who for instance never realized the Bible was a compilation of dozens if not hundreds of separate texts compiled by early church leaders over the course of a number of decades, or potentially one or two conclaves of early church leaders, at least depending on the source you use. Was mind boggling.
Don’t even get me started on the differences between Hebrew Translations and modern English Bibles.
Not to mention the energy waisted attacking other Christians and Christians denominations over comparatively trivial differences in opinion. Which is also served to illustrate to me how and why American Christians have been on the back foot and constantly giving ground to the woke for 70+ years in society and in multiple cases. Their own churches. They’re still stuck fighting the bloody reformation. Instead of making common cause.
Closest I ever got to Atheism was briefly considering myself agnostic. I consider myself Christian again. And I occasionally still attend a Church as I do still find some nostalgic comfort in the Mass and Hymns. But I can’t say there’s a denomination I’d reliably fit under anymore.
I’m just me. And ultimately I’ll need to answer to God on whether the imperfect life I’ve lived was acceptable.
Though There is something inherently Ironic though that it took a Man who by most measurable metrics doesn’t fit what most denominations consider to be a “Model” Christian. To get American Christians to actually put their perpetual inter-denominational feuds and disagreements on hold and actually organize a concerted United resistance.
Very well said. And yes, isn't it great that Trump was chosen to help us in this fight!
Kim Clement on Trump:
February 10, 2007
There will be a praying president, not a religious one.12 For I will fool the people, says the Lord. I will fool the people, yes I will.13 God says, the one that is chosen shall go in, and they shall say, “he has hot blood.”14 For the Spirit of God says, yes, he may have hot blood, but he will bring the walls of protection on this country in a greater way, and the economy of this country shall change rapidly,15 says the Lord of hosts.
Listen to the word of the Lord. God says, “I will put at your helm for two terms16 a president that will pray, but he will not be a praying president when he starts. I will put him in office, and then I will baptize him with the Holy Spirit and My power,17 says the Lord of hosts.
April 4, 2007
“This that shall take place shall be the most unusual thing,6 a transfiguration, a going into the marketplace, if you wish, into the news media, where Time Magazine will have no choice but to say what I want them to say.7 Newsweek, what I want them to say. The View, what I want them to say. Trump shall become a trumpet,8 says the Lord. Trump shall become a trumpet. I will raise up the Trump to become a trumpet, and Bill Gates to open up the gate of a financial realm for the church,9 says the Lord….
For God said, “I will not forget 9/11. I will not forget what took place that day, and I will not forget the gatekeeper that watched over New York,10 who will once again stand and watch over this nation,” says the Spirit of God. “It shall come to pass that the man that I shall place in the highest office shall go in whispering My name. But God said, when he enters into the office, he will be shouting out by the power of the Spirit. For I shall fill Him with My Spirit when he goes into office, and there will be a praying man in the highest seat in your land.11
When I was young the church and the culture, ignorance, and double standards of the church hen community and the drama and behind-the-back shit that went on made me vehemently loathe it. I was 26 when I figured it out for myself that Christ is the way and those people were just a bunch of idiots.
I see it as we are all bobbing up and down in an ocean. A big beautiful ship arrives. That is our salvation. It is God. There are many ladders that we could climb but there are people guarding those ladders saying that if we want to climb their ladder we have to believe everything they believe and we have to do what they say.
One ladder is Jesus Christ, one is Mohammed, one is Krishna, one is Buddha, etc.
It is easier to choose one ladder and dedicate yourself to climbing that one until you are on the ship. Instead people fall from one ladder so they try another one.
The one ladder that stands out though is the one with Jesus Christ. The other religions believe in Karmic Debt. Being re-incarnated over and over until you get it right. Christ is the only one saying "Don't worry about your karmic debt - I paid it off for you. All you need to do now to get on the ship is simply ask.
I don't know of any Christian who ever became atheist, not a single one. The church is corrupt, it has been for centuries. That fact has no bearing on my faith.
Atheism is one of the more humorous isms out there.
Christianity does have Dogmatics as a course of study, but what you are describing are poorly trained opinionated people.
"Religion" has always been a turn off for me. Religion is man's ideas of how to please God and always involves doing something...work, work, and more work. You cannot earn or work for salvation because it is a free gift of God. You just have to believe it, The Gospel, in order to appropriate it. Nothing else is required.
You have “respect” for JC? Is that what you’re saying? Imagine meeting your Creator and saying, “I respect you for creating me.” Lose the EGO.
Now you're just searching for ways to put my story down.
Jesus stood up to the Roman empire and the priests of his time. He even went so far as to die on the cross.
Why would I not respect that?
I’m not the one denying His name.
How am I "denying" his name?
Even Pontius Pilot knew His name.
That's not an answer. How am I "denying" Jesus' name?
I think there is faith in respect. When I think about what Jesus actually did for us–– Him becoming human just to save us, and all He went through to accomplish that––well, it almost breaks my mind. Respect turns to wonder.
I’ve settled down, too. I’ve had my own problems with God (and His church), but it was never about His existence because He proved His reality to me pretty strongly at a young age. The controversies I had with Him were more personal, issues between me and Him that involved things like yelling and accusations. I know, the foolishness of contending with God, but the Bible is filled with stories about imperfect people doing just that and even getting blessed in the end, so I don’t think it’s far removed from the realm of faith, which I view as based on relationship more than anything else.
In any case, religious treadmills never helped me resolve anything. It was God, who wouldn’t let me go. (Romans 9:16––So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.) A lot of my problems came from what I had been taught to believe about the way things worked, and when I finally saw the truth, I had to cast aside the notion that the New Covenant worked like the Law of Moses. It’s pretty clear in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that it doesn’t. It mirrors the faith of Abraham, not the national covenant God made with Abraham's descendants.
Trying to retrofit the effort-dependent operation of Jewish religious law (for the purpose of becoming righteous before God) into a covenant system that works exclusively by grace (that bestows righteousness on the one who believes Jesus) is the very thing that has rendered many denominational groups and even many non-affiliated swing-from-the-rafters type churches lifeless and loveless. That religious hybrid can look pretty good on the outside, whatever its form, but it’s simply not the truth, and I think it's a big part of what’s messing people up in the church(es).
In the Oera Linda Bok this is Frya's TEX the first line. But before I do, please review the name: Frya, spoken as free-a or one that is free.
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This is the TEX of Frya in terms of the relationship of the individual, the group and "God". Of note here is that the word: Wrâlda is indicative of the originator/creator:
This is what [Ne]Hellenia said:
In terms of preventing people from making their own choices:
And with that we see the whole of our world right before us. Whether it is an open border and mass-immigration, cities like Chicago, Detroit, Boston going to waste, Ukraine, Gaza, religious strife, zealotry, dependence on .gov handouts, micromanaging of people's lives, .gov subsidies for electric cars, CTR, white supremacy, doo-gooders, and billionaire philanthropists who, in the name of public health, destroy your livelihood, your living body and your freedom, you name it. It is right there in those words.
And it is not that these words were only heard 4200 years ago. Think of the Declaration if Independence, the Bill of Rights, Washington's Farewell Address of 1793: Liberty requires virtue.
The book even describes several types of people, called the children of Finda and Lydas. The first love laws for every little thing, but break them nonetheless. The latter are schemers and scammers all the way through.
But what do all these have in common? These people are not operating from the correct basis.
Can people be slaves to their own emotions? Their own lust? Sure. It matters not what label one carries, what the belief system is such people are adherents to. Once emotion takes over, wisdom goes out the door. What matters then is the foundational salient.
And this foundational salient must be taught to the young, and our mothers, our wives, our girls who will grow up to be mothers, play a role of conservation of this basic idea.
Where we all are coming from, is not from a position of knowing this cognitively. We have to relearn it. Hence, does it makes sense to complain about it, when we encounter such display of slave mentality? Or does it bring in us about an indomitable spirit?
It is funny, really. The book mentions how liberty is lost. By graft, by narratives, by laws and regulations that cannot stand the test of time, by multi-culti-shit, by alien rituals, by statues, by perversion of language, yeah, even by the institution of usury. These all lead to the corruption of virtue. But this is the world we are coming from.
The main question then is: who are we? Children of Lydas? Children of Finda? Or, are we in the process of returning back to ourselves and be Children of Frya?
To attain liberty is not a small feat, these days. In that spirit these words ring true:
Perhaps this is more important than anything else. What are we grateful for and what is the hope that lives within us, despite these anxious times. I happen to think that such an attitude of thankfulness will bridge any gap of whatever nature there may be.
Mormonism is whacky. that's all I have to say on the matter
I took some time and read as many of the Holy books as I could and found the only one that made any sense was the Bible. Consistently and in context. Not the way they teach it at Church, or most churches anyhow