True, Donald is not a clean cut Libertarian. However, many Libertarians must have come to suspect what we already know: In order to restore freedom, and a Republic based on the rule of Law where the people' s individual rights are the law, that part needs a guy who can really get the job done. Libertarians so far had interesting people running, but none who could get the job done.
It is then entirely valid to get behind Trump, who can get the job done. Squabbling over minute details can be done in 4 - 8 years.
Moreover, if 2024 is not Trump' s re-election, then the question whether the Republic representing freedom will survive can be answered with no. And I am sure, that too is not in the Libertarian interest.
Last point: WEF Cult High Priest Klaus Schwab made it a key point to say that the ANTI-system to his system is Libertarianism.
Let that sink in. By the very nature of the Libertarian philosophy, they are the mortal enemy of Schwabism: Marxism repacked with fascism.
In general, how bad are libertarians about cutting off their nose to spite their face?
So many people will either not vote, or vote for an opponent if their partys' candidate isn't a 100% perfect magical unicorm match with every single one of their beliefs. 🙄🙄
We definitely agree on more stuff than not with libertarians.....
I wonder if there will ever come a time when a real conservative could get behind legalizing (and thus regulating) all currently scheduled drugs. That'd be some libertarian shit and the war on drugs has only made everything worse.. idk if it would be good or bad but something has to change and these substances aren't going away. God put them on the planet for a reason and I think we should find a way to: help those who abuse them and create a regulated market for them like we do for alcohol and tobacco. People who abuse alcohol and tobacco, and any other substance, stubbornly, will naturally "phase themselves out", and we can keep our prisons empty for those who are actually menaces to society who commit actual crimes..
As for hospitalizations due to OD and the like, perhaps a special treatment facility for addicts which is separate from the conventional hospital system could be implemented. It could be a wing of the larger addiction system, with an incarceration (rehab) prison attached, as well as therapists or whatever else we need for that. A one-stop shop help center.
I think I'm pretty much quite conservative & I'm torn on legalizing drugs, but could definitely get behind it.
I think we can answer our own question; haven't some of the pacific NW looney-bin states legalized all drugs within the past few years?
I've only seen a couple headlines, but it does not sound like its gone well.
At all.
I think maybe legalize virtually all drugs so we can undo like 90%+ of the police state; take all the funding that has been wasted on getting even mayberry-sized sheriff & police departments kitted out like CAG, then increase penalties for drug-related crimes.
i.e.; if you steal to support your drug habit, like double the current penalty or something?
What they did was decriminalize small amounts of it but there is no regulation, so it was a black market open air drug den. BUT one could say this is also just the addicts self-sorting out of the population.. kind of cruel but true, anyways I was thinking more like what Portugal has done, though maybe there's no perfect template anywhere yet. I don't have strong opinions on it either way, only that what's being done now is not working, and I've always struggled with the concept of making possession of an object a crime, whether that be a plant product or a M80 machine gun. Where do you draw the line? The Constitution seems to favor the libertarian point of view.
BUT one could say this is also just the addicts self-sorting out of the population..
Yep, that's absolutely frankly a benefit.
By all means; make treatment / rehab / therapy more widely available, but some people just literally can't break their addiction, for myriad reasons.
I definitely agree 1,000,000% that the war on drugs is unsupportable & completely insane what it's doing / done to society & people.
Something definitely has to change; even if it's a short, 5-10 year legalization / de-criminalization; SOMETHING needs to change......
As for where I personally draw the line; if you can find me specifically & exactly where in the Constitution it explicitly delegates to the fed gov the rights & powers to regulate / control drugs, chemicals, substances, etc; if you can show me that, I'll support keeping the status quo.
Until then, in my smooth little brain; if it's not explicitly in the Constitution, it was written that way by design, and that's the document we agree to adhere to as Americans.
They definitely had drugs / alcohol back then....weren't some of the founding fathers pretty big hemp growers or is that more stoner propaganda? 😂
Not in favor of legalization. In favor of decriminalization.
Normalization and ease of acquisition have not been very positive in a lot of places, but it is easy money for the cities and states to pull from because of the number getting into them.
I have noticed a significant increase in bad and batshit insane drivers since legalization in my area, and it is almost always accompanied with the smell of pot blasting through my intake when driving behind them.
I still remember when they said "no one will smoke pot and drive, they'll obey the law!" as justification for legalization.
Saw through it then, living through it now.
Who knows what other drugs are being consumed, ones you can't even smell, and their effects on drivers.
I have noticed a significant increase in bad and batshit insane drivers since legalization in my area, and it is almost always accompanied with the smell of pot blasting through my intake when driving behind them.
I still remember when they said "no one will smoke pot and drive, they'll obey the law!" as justification for legalization.
Saw through it then, living through it now.
HA......damn, you totally reminded me; I think my state made "medical" (YEAH FUCKING RIGHT!!!) marijuana legal years ago; You reminded me that I distinctly remember smelling a TON more weed out on the road while driving.
A TON.
So yeah; I've had the exact same experience as you.
Worst part; IDK if there's any sort of realistic, feasible MJ / intoxication test that any cop can run in the field, right??
What a mess......
"Medical Marijuana" = "homos just want to love & marry whoever they want. We don't want to fuck your kids. Promise!"
Booommmm! While not a true libertarian candidate, Trump will likely convince many to vote for a candidate that will likely win, and is a giant leap from our current pResident.
Certainly you should always vote your conscience. But I believe Libertarians will be convinced to vote for Trump rather than the Libertarian candidate so the US can at least be turned around. Libertarians can then work on moving the country towards their way of thinking.
This seems very significant to me.
Hell yeah!
I am pumped about this!
Just curious based on your handle; did you go to the Aluminum U?
Not sure what is Aluminum U?
My handle is an old joke from my Purdue University days in a Fraternity House I was apart of.
True, Donald is not a clean cut Libertarian. However, many Libertarians must have come to suspect what we already know: In order to restore freedom, and a Republic based on the rule of Law where the people' s individual rights are the law, that part needs a guy who can really get the job done. Libertarians so far had interesting people running, but none who could get the job done.
It is then entirely valid to get behind Trump, who can get the job done. Squabbling over minute details can be done in 4 - 8 years.
Moreover, if 2024 is not Trump' s re-election, then the question whether the Republic representing freedom will survive can be answered with no. And I am sure, that too is not in the Libertarian interest.
Last point: WEF Cult High Priest Klaus Schwab made it a key point to say that the ANTI-system to his system is Libertarianism.
Let that sink in. By the very nature of the Libertarian philosophy, they are the mortal enemy of Schwabism: Marxism repacked with fascism.
Gun rights, respect for individual freedom and personal responsibility, Constitution, anti-abortion, and not starting wars.
Trump and Libertarians aren't all that far apart :)
(simplification for illustration purposes; not intended to depict entire Libertarianh Party platform)
Correct. In large strokes: there is a lot that we hold in agreement.
In general, how bad are libertarians about cutting off their nose to spite their face?
So many people will either not vote, or vote for an opponent if their partys' candidate isn't a 100% perfect magical unicorm match with every single one of their beliefs. 🙄🙄
We definitely agree on more stuff than not with libertarians.....
A lot of libertarians still complain about the bump stock stuff though, I'll be curious to see if those types show at an event where they should be.
I wonder if there will ever come a time when a real conservative could get behind legalizing (and thus regulating) all currently scheduled drugs. That'd be some libertarian shit and the war on drugs has only made everything worse.. idk if it would be good or bad but something has to change and these substances aren't going away. God put them on the planet for a reason and I think we should find a way to: help those who abuse them and create a regulated market for them like we do for alcohol and tobacco. People who abuse alcohol and tobacco, and any other substance, stubbornly, will naturally "phase themselves out", and we can keep our prisons empty for those who are actually menaces to society who commit actual crimes..
As for hospitalizations due to OD and the like, perhaps a special treatment facility for addicts which is separate from the conventional hospital system could be implemented. It could be a wing of the larger addiction system, with an incarceration (rehab) prison attached, as well as therapists or whatever else we need for that. A one-stop shop help center.
I think I'm pretty much quite conservative & I'm torn on legalizing drugs, but could definitely get behind it.
I think we can answer our own question; haven't some of the pacific NW looney-bin states legalized all drugs within the past few years?
I've only seen a couple headlines, but it does not sound like its gone well.
At all.
I think maybe legalize virtually all drugs so we can undo like 90%+ of the police state; take all the funding that has been wasted on getting even mayberry-sized sheriff & police departments kitted out like CAG, then increase penalties for drug-related crimes. i.e.; if you steal to support your drug habit, like double the current penalty or something?
IDK......
What do YOU think?
What they did was decriminalize small amounts of it but there is no regulation, so it was a black market open air drug den. BUT one could say this is also just the addicts self-sorting out of the population.. kind of cruel but true, anyways I was thinking more like what Portugal has done, though maybe there's no perfect template anywhere yet. I don't have strong opinions on it either way, only that what's being done now is not working, and I've always struggled with the concept of making possession of an object a crime, whether that be a plant product or a M80 machine gun. Where do you draw the line? The Constitution seems to favor the libertarian point of view.
Yep, that's absolutely frankly a benefit. By all means; make treatment / rehab / therapy more widely available, but some people just literally can't break their addiction, for myriad reasons.
I definitely agree 1,000,000% that the war on drugs is unsupportable & completely insane what it's doing / done to society & people.
Something definitely has to change; even if it's a short, 5-10 year legalization / de-criminalization; SOMETHING needs to change......
As for where I personally draw the line; if you can find me specifically & exactly where in the Constitution it explicitly delegates to the fed gov the rights & powers to regulate / control drugs, chemicals, substances, etc; if you can show me that, I'll support keeping the status quo.
Until then, in my smooth little brain; if it's not explicitly in the Constitution, it was written that way by design, and that's the document we agree to adhere to as Americans.
They definitely had drugs / alcohol back then....weren't some of the founding fathers pretty big hemp growers or is that more stoner propaganda? 😂
Yep, well; there you go.... I believe it isn't going much better in portlandia / washington states.......
Not in favor of legalization. In favor of decriminalization.
Normalization and ease of acquisition have not been very positive in a lot of places, but it is easy money for the cities and states to pull from because of the number getting into them.
I have noticed a significant increase in bad and batshit insane drivers since legalization in my area, and it is almost always accompanied with the smell of pot blasting through my intake when driving behind them.
I still remember when they said "no one will smoke pot and drive, they'll obey the law!" as justification for legalization.
Saw through it then, living through it now.
Who knows what other drugs are being consumed, ones you can't even smell, and their effects on drivers.
HA......damn, you totally reminded me; I think my state made "medical" (YEAH FUCKING RIGHT!!!) marijuana legal years ago; You reminded me that I distinctly remember smelling a TON more weed out on the road while driving.
A TON.
So yeah; I've had the exact same experience as you. Worst part; IDK if there's any sort of realistic, feasible MJ / intoxication test that any cop can run in the field, right??
What a mess......
"Medical Marijuana" = "homos just want to love & marry whoever they want. We don't want to fuck your kids. Promise!"
Booommmm! While not a true libertarian candidate, Trump will likely convince many to vote for a candidate that will likely win, and is a giant leap from our current pResident.
he isn't but you know what, its VERY close
Every Libertarian struggles with the same thing
Do I 'vote my conscience' (whatever that means, since your conscience isn't a candidate :)
...or vote for someone who can actually win and prevent the REALLY horrific option from taking power
Unite the clans!
Confirmed: The date is Saturday May 25th
That's me!
I will have to watch this!
Certainly you should always vote your conscience. But I believe Libertarians will be convinced to vote for Trump rather than the Libertarian candidate so the US can at least be turned around. Libertarians can then work on moving the country towards their way of thinking.