Russia's not even close to using it's full military power in Ukraine. Everyone knows it. This is a pretty simple conversation. You put your French soldiers in Ukraine and we're going to kill them. We're very good at that. You know this because your mercenaries have found out how good we are at this. We let that slide because they were mercenaries, but if you put your Foreign Legion into this conflict, we're going to consider you to have committed an act of war against us. We will respond accordingly, and you know we can hit you.
It's a very simple conversation to have with any European country. Not one of those has the capacity to stop Russia if they determine to attack. None of them.
Russia has what the USA gave them about the French + their own shit....The French , they got Nothing ; The whole thing just an embarrassment ritual for them.
I think all Russia would need to say is something like 'here is the current location of all your generals, members of your parliament, and top court judges. We have every location on this list entered as target coords on our hypersonic missile systems. Please for your own safety pull back from Ukraine'.
Macron would fall over like a limp noodle, and that would be that.
In this case, just as it was in 1940, this is the smartest move they could make and will save many lives. Make fun of them all you want, but they shouldn't be rushing headlong into this fight any more than they should have openly fought the blitzkrieg in spring 1940. This surrender thing is a really dumb ass meme, frankly, especially if you consider the price they paid in WWI. Fighting a losing battle solely for the sake of belligerence isn't bravery or honor. It's just stupid and wasteful. Glory doesn't mean much for the dead.
This meme ignores all of the victories of the French pre WW2. Napoleon was at the gates of Moscow and controlled all of Europe and much of North Africa.
You also ignore that of Napoleon's 600,000 invading force about 112,000 made it out on retreat.
Just to be clear. I'm not detracting from Napoleon's ability to put fourth a formidable and we'll trained force. But this example may be one of lessons learned rather than astute and we'll placed leadership.
Seems to me the French citizenry may be best served by not listening to cocky and greedy leadership who does not appear to have their best interest in mind.
To further clarify. This is a lesson Americans should also take notice of. Our leadership has done us no favors either.
Im not ignoring it. Wars of agression always fail in the end, they are always unsustainable without the hearts and minds of the people invaded. Theres never been an army since the Mongols with the capability to overrun Russiaand that was premedieval. Theres a reason why there is a truism that you never fight a land war in asia.
The fact remains that France was able to conquer all of Europe and most of North Africa and until the Russian winter destroyed Napoleons army most of European Russia. That isnt a measure of a cowardly army. And neither is holding fast during WW1. Facts are hard, gaslighting is easy.
Look up the Battle of Bir Hacheim in the Libyan desert during WW2 and tell me the French are cowards. They single handedly held off the entirety of Rommels offensive force allowing the British to reorganize at El Alamein.
Or read into the Fenchs efforts during the Revolution. We Americans focus on events on this continent but that was truly the first world war. If it wasnt the for the French battling the British around the world this country wouldnt exist.
SMH Americans lack of knowledge of world history is one of our problems.
I did not make a claim of the French soldier. I made a claim of leadership.
Leadership makes orders that soldiers follow. It is the blunder of leadership that results in a retreat not that of a soldier. Whether that be a formal surrender or an informal falling apart of an army that causes them to retreat in the face of insurmountable odds.
You seem to be, willingly or by fault, ignoring what I have clearly stated.
Carefully read my words again.
You may be failing to understand the forum that you have found yourself in. This forum is, if anything, independent thinking citizens of all walks of life who first and foremost call out the failures of leadership in the role they have been entrusted with by The People. The People make up armies. The People are led to slaughter by failed, weak and incompetent leadership.
The People are who I defend. Leadership is who I criticize.
Napoleon failed to recognize his blunder and rather than do the honorable thing and recalculate he led his army to slaughter in the Russian tundra.
Your criticism of Americans lacking world history knowledge, to the extent it may exist, only speaks to a misunderstanding of the original point.
If you feel Americans lack world history knowledge, fine, and that discussion can be had. But to misconstrue the original point then bloviate on an unrelated topic only speaks of your lack of knowledge with regard to the point being expressed.
I wonder how many "honor" points they gained by purchasing Russian natural gas?
How many "honor" points did they gain by sending their citizens treasure to Ukraine to fight those same Russians?
Did they reach bonus "honor" point level by funding both sides of that war?
Sometimes honor is best gained when doing the right thing and living with those consequences whatever they may be. Otherwise one runs the risk of becoming a meme.
So where is the link to the French Foreign Ministry statement? Why can't I find it in their Press Room? Is it because there is no sauce behind this? Me thinks a healthy dose of skepticism and discernment is necessary by many people here.
Kiddie diddling by Macron, stopping all oil and gas exports to France, or a list of underhanded dealings with bad actors......one of these is the truth. I do wonder how much heating oil Russia exports to France, probably a lot. I guess the PTB don't want cold angry Frenchmen running amock in the streets this coming winter. haha.
The main products that Russia exported to France are Refined Petroleum ($6.46B), Petroleum Gas ($5.73B), and Crude Petroleum ($1.69B). During the last 27 years the exports of Russia to France have increased at an annualized rate of 5.77%, from $3.49B in 1995 to $15.9B in 2022.
I'll go ahead and wager that was a tough discussion where the Frenchie had his ass handed to him with some very clear targets mentioned if they went forward.
Something tells me Russia showed them the pile of unwashed stank laundry thats in their closet, and offered to, so kindly, air it out for France if they decided to help out Ukraine......
Probably came in, sat down and the Russians said, "before we speak to you, you can watch this video". After the video, "are you going to send troops to Ukraine?" The ambassador said NO! Just my take and use your imagination for what might have been on the video.
Russia has the goods on these sellouts...I think France is more afraid of what Russia has on them all than what the USA is holding over there heads...
as far as the EU going down the shit hole...its been on that path with unchecked immigration for years already...
Russia's not even close to using it's full military power in Ukraine. Everyone knows it. This is a pretty simple conversation. You put your French soldiers in Ukraine and we're going to kill them. We're very good at that. You know this because your mercenaries have found out how good we are at this. We let that slide because they were mercenaries, but if you put your Foreign Legion into this conflict, we're going to consider you to have committed an act of war against us. We will respond accordingly, and you know we can hit you.
It's a very simple conversation to have with any European country. Not one of those has the capacity to stop Russia if they determine to attack. None of them.
I dont even think the conversation was about using military might. I bet it was about their skeletons
Have to agree, and great comment, but, ughhhh, it's taking FOOOORREEEEVER LOL
In WWII France had tanks with one forward gear and five reverse gears
Russia has what the USA gave them about the French + their own shit....The French , they got Nothing ; The whole thing just an embarrassment ritual for them.
I think all Russia would need to say is something like 'here is the current location of all your generals, members of your parliament, and top court judges. We have every location on this list entered as target coords on our hypersonic missile systems. Please for your own safety pull back from Ukraine'.
Macron would fall over like a limp noodle, and that would be that.
I like it
They showed him the file Trump delivered in his submission tour......
RED FOLDER
Oh yes, here’s to hopium
Mainline that shit
You need to rephrase this. It sounds like Trump went on a tour submitting to foreign governments and I know thats not what you meant.
If ya wanna keep that eiffel tower, you better do as we say
Say, nice Eiffel Tower you have, there
It'd be a shame if, ah... It decided that it wanted to be horizontal. In pieces!
Russia probably threatened to expose Macron's "wife" as being a dude wearing a wig and dress.
But... But.... Russia is losing to Ukraineeeee! Reeeeeeeeeeeee
Shout out to the dude in another thread who seemed pretty adamant that France would reverse their statement.
The French doing what they do best 🏳️
In this case, just as it was in 1940, this is the smartest move they could make and will save many lives. Make fun of them all you want, but they shouldn't be rushing headlong into this fight any more than they should have openly fought the blitzkrieg in spring 1940. This surrender thing is a really dumb ass meme, frankly, especially if you consider the price they paid in WWI. Fighting a losing battle solely for the sake of belligerence isn't bravery or honor. It's just stupid and wasteful. Glory doesn't mean much for the dead.
One would think that while they shouldn't have fought the blitzkrieg head on, there was plenty they could have done before hand.
French leadership seemed to have been limp way before Germany invaded.
Also I'm pretty sure France was the one to push Germany to the extreme in the treaty after WW1.
This meme ignores all of the victories of the French pre WW2. Napoleon was at the gates of Moscow and controlled all of Europe and much of North Africa.
You also ignore that of Napoleon's 600,000 invading force about 112,000 made it out on retreat.
Just to be clear. I'm not detracting from Napoleon's ability to put fourth a formidable and we'll trained force. But this example may be one of lessons learned rather than astute and we'll placed leadership.
Seems to me the French citizenry may be best served by not listening to cocky and greedy leadership who does not appear to have their best interest in mind.
To further clarify. This is a lesson Americans should also take notice of. Our leadership has done us no favors either.
Im not ignoring it. Wars of agression always fail in the end, they are always unsustainable without the hearts and minds of the people invaded. Theres never been an army since the Mongols with the capability to overrun Russiaand that was premedieval. Theres a reason why there is a truism that you never fight a land war in asia.
The fact remains that France was able to conquer all of Europe and most of North Africa and until the Russian winter destroyed Napoleons army most of European Russia. That isnt a measure of a cowardly army. And neither is holding fast during WW1. Facts are hard, gaslighting is easy.
Look up the Battle of Bir Hacheim in the Libyan desert during WW2 and tell me the French are cowards. They single handedly held off the entirety of Rommels offensive force allowing the British to reorganize at El Alamein.
Or read into the Fenchs efforts during the Revolution. We Americans focus on events on this continent but that was truly the first world war. If it wasnt the for the French battling the British around the world this country wouldnt exist.
SMH Americans lack of knowledge of world history is one of our problems.
I did not make a claim of the French soldier. I made a claim of leadership.
Leadership makes orders that soldiers follow. It is the blunder of leadership that results in a retreat not that of a soldier. Whether that be a formal surrender or an informal falling apart of an army that causes them to retreat in the face of insurmountable odds.
You seem to be, willingly or by fault, ignoring what I have clearly stated.
Carefully read my words again.
You may be failing to understand the forum that you have found yourself in. This forum is, if anything, independent thinking citizens of all walks of life who first and foremost call out the failures of leadership in the role they have been entrusted with by The People. The People make up armies. The People are led to slaughter by failed, weak and incompetent leadership.
The People are who I defend. Leadership is who I criticize.
Napoleon failed to recognize his blunder and rather than do the honorable thing and recalculate he led his army to slaughter in the Russian tundra.
Your criticism of Americans lacking world history knowledge, to the extent it may exist, only speaks to a misunderstanding of the original point.
If you feel Americans lack world history knowledge, fine, and that discussion can be had. But to misconstrue the original point then bloviate on an unrelated topic only speaks of your lack of knowledge with regard to the point being expressed.
I wonder how many "honor" points they gained by purchasing Russian natural gas?
How many "honor" points did they gain by sending their citizens treasure to Ukraine to fight those same Russians?
Did they reach bonus "honor" point level by funding both sides of that war?
Sometimes honor is best gained when doing the right thing and living with those consequences whatever they may be. Otherwise one runs the risk of becoming a meme.
Macron Wacky Turdo and Klowse Swab threeway
So where is the link to the French Foreign Ministry statement? Why can't I find it in their Press Room? Is it because there is no sauce behind this? Me thinks a healthy dose of skepticism and discernment is necessary by many people here.
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/press-room/
When unsourced statements start flying around …that’s not to Russia’s benefit. Which is why Russia doesn’t do that.
Kiddie diddling by Macron, stopping all oil and gas exports to France, or a list of underhanded dealings with bad actors......one of these is the truth. I do wonder how much heating oil Russia exports to France, probably a lot. I guess the PTB don't want cold angry Frenchmen running amock in the streets this coming winter. haha.
The gas and oil still flow from Russia to Europe. Its all a shell game.
The main products that Russia exported to France are Refined Petroleum ($6.46B), Petroleum Gas ($5.73B), and Crude Petroleum ($1.69B). During the last 27 years the exports of Russia to France have increased at an annualized rate of 5.77%, from $3.49B in 1995 to $15.9B in 2022.
https://greatawakening.win/p/17t1fT3PA9/france-preparing-for-war/
I called it, white flags out before they're even in.
Hoorah
This has to be France's quickest surrender ever.
Unsourced fake news.
There is no French Foreign Ministry statement confirming that France would not send any military forces to Ukraine.
This is what happens when you cut the puppet strings on an entire superpower nation.
Damn, the french ambassador must have had one hell of a zoom call with macron.
I'll go ahead and wager that was a tough discussion where the Frenchie had his ass handed to him with some very clear targets mentioned if they went forward.
Something tells me Russia showed them the pile of unwashed stank laundry thats in their closet, and offered to, so kindly, air it out for France if they decided to help out Ukraine......
Probably came in, sat down and the Russians said, "before we speak to you, you can watch this video". After the video, "are you going to send troops to Ukraine?" The ambassador said NO! Just my take and use your imagination for what might have been on the video.