You're not debating if climate change is real, because it most certainly is. The climate constantly changes naturally. You are debating if it's man made or not. Which, actually, it also is, by HAARP, cloud seeding, radio transmission and other weather modifications carried out by the government and NGO research corporations and universities. If they say you are being conspiratorial, isn't it the same to be if we believe our "emissions" could even put a dent into the earths atmosphere, as it is to believe that they are manipulating it themselves? That should stop the argument. Better yet, ask them if they believe that universities are breeding new species of insects (which they are), and how that affects the "climate", because it does.
If humans are causing climate change, then what stopped the ice age?? Because we weren't polluting the earth enough to warm it up then. Which shows it will warm & cool all on its own.
And also they love to think that the ice leftover from the ice age wasnt supposed to keep thawing. Its "man made" solely because they noticed ot was melting. No clue on if it should have in the first place.
TBH. Id challenge them to prove it DOES exist. Then go grab one of the studies that prove that wrong. Or the proof that NOAA temp data has been a lie for decades. Or that the Great Barrier Reef has regrown when they said it was lost for good. Sea levels havent risen since the great flood. The "caw farts" is a farce. The CO2 emitted by a cow is mostly reabsorbed by the plants they are eating. The gasses they claim are killing the atmosphere dont actually make it up that high.....
Maurice Strong, Canadian diplomat, first proposed using UN temperature data in fund raising efforts -- back in 1993. Everyone quickly agreed. Global cooling was the threat. It's been a trillion dollar scam for thirty years. Start there.
Go to the climate action plan by Obama where he crippled our energy independence. Then go to the climate action plan for the air where they touted clean fuels for planes while enabling geogineering thru the united nation definition of cirrus cloud. This geoenginerring opened the path for weather warfare and destroying our biosphere...the earth to the sky. Then go to the climate action plan over the ocean where the solution to climate action emergencies is to turn over our land and waters to unlimited international control. And where they want to control everything on land and sea that impacts the climate....which they claim us everything. So by default everything we do will be controlled by the new world order.......... they wish......over my dead body. The whole plan began decades ago and it was a hoax to persuade us we had to turn control of our country over to these globalist. They are betting on no one studying to progression of the climate action plan farce. Kek
They get the weather wrong two days from now(even with their weather modifcations), how does anyone believe these people are predicting what will happen 10 years from now? There are too many variables for even a super computer to properly predict weather, as the time it takes to work it out is longer, than when the actual weather happens. They don't know shit.
The main point for me is that, according to Vostok Ice Core Data from Antarctica, CO2 rises only after the temperature has increased. It increases some centuries later. Now, you will find lots of mealy-mouthed explanations as to why that doesn't matter but it still seems important to me.
Are CO2 levels high now? Well, they are just over 400ppm now but they have been around 7,000ppm in the past. If levels drop below 200ppm then plants will struggle to grow so the world will have no food. Note: The scale is logarithmic. the warming increase from 100ppm to 200ppm is the same as between 400pppm and 800ppm.
This is an interesting montage. The graph on the left is from NASA and it shows how big the temperature correction is. (The data will be a few years out of date now because i gave up following the climate hoax some years ago!) Note how they increase modern temperatures entirely arbitrarily then tell us that the increase is all real!
The other pictures show how we do not have a uniform set of thermometers across the world so calculating an average temperature is subject to all kinds of manipulation.
The bottom-right chart shows that most warming occurs where thermometers are fewest. How strange is that?
Another interesting picture shows that over 10,000 years in Greenland, temperatures have been falling while CO2 has been increasing.
Then there was the famous "hockey stick graph" from Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998, 1999). One of their tree ring curves went down at the end of the graph showing that tree rings do not work very well as current temperature indicators so they just did not show that on the chart. The real question is: If tree rings don't work now, why do we think they work for the past?
They also missed out the Medieval Warm Period which was warmer than now, Mann was very coy about his correlation statistics (R-squared valued) and his data was not initially available for anyone to check it. Oh, and he did not get his Principal Component Analysis exactly right. It does show a current warming spike, though, so it was pushed for all it was worth.
Just like the plandemic scare, if you were an expert on the subject but did not go along with the approved narrative then you could lose your job or not be able to get any research funding.
What is the hoax for? Follow the money. Carbon Credits etc. What better to run the Globalist New World Order than a Global tax of some sort. The climate hoax provides an excuse to tax everyone in the world and to have the funds administered by a global organisation.
climate change activism is a war on carbon dioxide, when it should be a war on carbon monoxide. why are western nations being forced to sacrifice so much when third world nations are not? do not the same corporations across the flat earth own the infrastructure all these nations? why are the renewable energy fans not concerned with the environmental damage when it comes to creating wind farms and solar farms?
You don't always have to refute their well memorized talking points. Just point out their tactics. They use climate change to scare children!!! Look at Greta Thunburg. As a child she was taught that the world was going to end, and everyone was going to die if we didn't do what the cabal wanted. How dare these evil people use these type of tactics.
When the rich give up their jets, boats, gas cars, and mansions on the ocean then maybe I will begin to consider its real but they won't. They continue to create organization after organization with no real solutions just vaguely saying its a problem to be solved while they take money and funnel to themselves.
They claim its because of humans. So then what, depopulation? They love that word.
They claim people are running out of water and food. Well I say that is corrupt and greedy governments not taking care of their citizens.
I bet if we followed the money in every climate change organizations and their spending we will see greedy people with no solutions but screaming fire.
They say fossil fuel, oil, carbon.....if taken away where does that leave society? What do we replace it with and if replaced are we in a better situation than before?
This is about money, greed, deceit, and policy change just because they can. Didn't one woman at a united nation's convention say the people aren't going to fall for climate change and they need to try something else? I'll have to find that video.
On another thought I use to work for a company that signed climate agreements with the United nations and ipcc for an slb (sustainability linked bond). The only reason I found out is because a climate change class was mandatory for all employees. Why mandatory? Why indoctrinate? I dug and found that they signed this deal for 1 billion dollars. They turned around and forced all employees to take a class and planted some trees. The company is in electrical distribution. Did we get electric delivery trucks? No. Did we push for reform in copper mining? No. Did we push for reform in lithium mining? No. We planted some trees and whached a 30 min video.
I'm old enough to remember.... the scientists were warning that we were headed for a mini ice age. The politicians claimed global warming, not cooling, because they cant carbon tax on the cooling. SO they changed the term to climate change.
So when someone starts a discussion with me on that subject, I ask them if they are referring to warming or cooling .... exactly what kind of climate change do you mean. They cant answer that.
As a poster said here, how can anyone predict weather 10-20-30 years from now if they cant predict the weather tomorrow?
You're not debating if climate change is real, because it most certainly is. The climate constantly changes naturally. You are debating if it's man made or not. Which, actually, it also is, by HAARP, cloud seeding, radio transmission and other weather modifications carried out by the government and NGO research corporations and universities. If they say you are being conspiratorial, isn't it the same to be if we believe our "emissions" could even put a dent into the earths atmosphere, as it is to believe that they are manipulating it themselves? That should stop the argument. Better yet, ask them if they believe that universities are breeding new species of insects (which they are), and how that affects the "climate", because it does.
If humans are causing climate change, then what stopped the ice age?? Because we weren't polluting the earth enough to warm it up then. Which shows it will warm & cool all on its own.
And also they love to think that the ice leftover from the ice age wasnt supposed to keep thawing. Its "man made" solely because they noticed ot was melting. No clue on if it should have in the first place.
TBH. Id challenge them to prove it DOES exist. Then go grab one of the studies that prove that wrong. Or the proof that NOAA temp data has been a lie for decades. Or that the Great Barrier Reef has regrown when they said it was lost for good. Sea levels havent risen since the great flood. The "caw farts" is a farce. The CO2 emitted by a cow is mostly reabsorbed by the plants they are eating. The gasses they claim are killing the atmosphere dont actually make it up that high.....
if a cult is running around saying we have proof the world is ending, they should have to show the proof, not you
Maurice Strong, Canadian diplomat, first proposed using UN temperature data in fund raising efforts -- back in 1993. Everyone quickly agreed. Global cooling was the threat. It's been a trillion dollar scam for thirty years. Start there.
Look into all the weather stations that were shut down by Clinton and gore during the 90's
An excellent source for information about the climate hoax is Tony Heller.
Here's his YouTube channel. He also has a website - http://realclimatescience.com
Edit: Oh he also produced a movie about climate change recently - Climate the Movie
Go to the climate action plan by Obama where he crippled our energy independence. Then go to the climate action plan for the air where they touted clean fuels for planes while enabling geogineering thru the united nation definition of cirrus cloud. This geoenginerring opened the path for weather warfare and destroying our biosphere...the earth to the sky. Then go to the climate action plan over the ocean where the solution to climate action emergencies is to turn over our land and waters to unlimited international control. And where they want to control everything on land and sea that impacts the climate....which they claim us everything. So by default everything we do will be controlled by the new world order.......... they wish......over my dead body. The whole plan began decades ago and it was a hoax to persuade us we had to turn control of our country over to these globalist. They are betting on no one studying to progression of the climate action plan farce. Kek
https://www.google.com/amp/s/judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/climate-models-versus-climate-reality/%3famp=1
All the models are wrong. All of the dire predictions are based on the models.
They get the weather wrong two days from now(even with their weather modifcations), how does anyone believe these people are predicting what will happen 10 years from now? There are too many variables for even a super computer to properly predict weather, as the time it takes to work it out is longer, than when the actual weather happens. They don't know shit.
This is a good one from 2007, produced for British television.
https://rumble.com/v3a4eff-the-great-global-warming-swindle-full-documentary-hd.html
climate change is the term they use for natural events.
you are the carbon they want to remove
look up how much CO2 is needed to sustain plant life on earth. we are really close to having complete plant death because of the climate change push.
look at green house CO2 generators. why is CO2 bad, but we pump it into green houses?
The main point for me is that, according to Vostok Ice Core Data from Antarctica, CO2 rises only after the temperature has increased. It increases some centuries later. Now, you will find lots of mealy-mouthed explanations as to why that doesn't matter but it still seems important to me.
Are CO2 levels high now? Well, they are just over 400ppm now but they have been around 7,000ppm in the past. If levels drop below 200ppm then plants will struggle to grow so the world will have no food. Note: The scale is logarithmic. the warming increase from 100ppm to 200ppm is the same as between 400pppm and 800ppm.
This is an interesting montage. The graph on the left is from NASA and it shows how big the temperature correction is. (The data will be a few years out of date now because i gave up following the climate hoax some years ago!) Note how they increase modern temperatures entirely arbitrarily then tell us that the increase is all real!
The other pictures show how we do not have a uniform set of thermometers across the world so calculating an average temperature is subject to all kinds of manipulation.
The bottom-right chart shows that most warming occurs where thermometers are fewest. How strange is that?
Another interesting picture shows that over 10,000 years in Greenland, temperatures have been falling while CO2 has been increasing.
Then there was the famous "hockey stick graph" from Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998, 1999). One of their tree ring curves went down at the end of the graph showing that tree rings do not work very well as current temperature indicators so they just did not show that on the chart. The real question is: If tree rings don't work now, why do we think they work for the past?
They also missed out the Medieval Warm Period which was warmer than now, Mann was very coy about his correlation statistics (R-squared valued) and his data was not initially available for anyone to check it. Oh, and he did not get his Principal Component Analysis exactly right. It does show a current warming spike, though, so it was pushed for all it was worth.
Just like the plandemic scare, if you were an expert on the subject but did not go along with the approved narrative then you could lose your job or not be able to get any research funding.
What is the hoax for? Follow the money. Carbon Credits etc. What better to run the Globalist New World Order than a Global tax of some sort. The climate hoax provides an excuse to tax everyone in the world and to have the funds administered by a global organisation.
climate change activism is a war on carbon dioxide, when it should be a war on carbon monoxide. why are western nations being forced to sacrifice so much when third world nations are not? do not the same corporations across the flat earth own the infrastructure all these nations? why are the renewable energy fans not concerned with the environmental damage when it comes to creating wind farms and solar farms?
Research Maurice Strong.
It's pretty simple. Sea level is still sea level after 71 years of living.
Yep
Statue of Liberty 100 yrs ago and a few yrs ago…same same.
You don't always have to refute their well memorized talking points. Just point out their tactics. They use climate change to scare children!!! Look at Greta Thunburg. As a child she was taught that the world was going to end, and everyone was going to die if we didn't do what the cabal wanted. How dare these evil people use these type of tactics.
THE SEQUEL TO THE FALL OF THE CABAL - PART 28: CLIMATE CRISIS?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lIu5lvd2KAnZ/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/hidden-behind-climate-policies-data-from-nonexistent-temperature-stations-5622782?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge&src_src=partner&src_cmp=ZeroHedge
When the rich give up their jets, boats, gas cars, and mansions on the ocean then maybe I will begin to consider its real but they won't. They continue to create organization after organization with no real solutions just vaguely saying its a problem to be solved while they take money and funnel to themselves.
They claim its because of humans. So then what, depopulation? They love that word.
They claim people are running out of water and food. Well I say that is corrupt and greedy governments not taking care of their citizens.
I bet if we followed the money in every climate change organizations and their spending we will see greedy people with no solutions but screaming fire.
They say fossil fuel, oil, carbon.....if taken away where does that leave society? What do we replace it with and if replaced are we in a better situation than before?
This is about money, greed, deceit, and policy change just because they can. Didn't one woman at a united nation's convention say the people aren't going to fall for climate change and they need to try something else? I'll have to find that video.
On another thought I use to work for a company that signed climate agreements with the United nations and ipcc for an slb (sustainability linked bond). The only reason I found out is because a climate change class was mandatory for all employees. Why mandatory? Why indoctrinate? I dug and found that they signed this deal for 1 billion dollars. They turned around and forced all employees to take a class and planted some trees. The company is in electrical distribution. Did we get electric delivery trucks? No. Did we push for reform in copper mining? No. Did we push for reform in lithium mining? No. We planted some trees and whached a 30 min video.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/
::: The 1st law of thermodynamics enters the chat :::
Tell them to go sit on a pier that they sat on as a child and contemplate the rising oceans.
I'm old enough to remember.... the scientists were warning that we were headed for a mini ice age. The politicians claimed global warming, not cooling, because they cant carbon tax on the cooling. SO they changed the term to climate change.
So when someone starts a discussion with me on that subject, I ask them if they are referring to warming or cooling .... exactly what kind of climate change do you mean. They cant answer that.
As a poster said here, how can anyone predict weather 10-20-30 years from now if they cant predict the weather tomorrow?
How does the 11-year solar cycle fit into their model of the climate?