They can try and might succeed at first, but in court they can win due to equity. You cannot take the land that you have more equity than them. They can put a lien on the property that has to be paid when the property sells. The house I am living in had a lien for a few years until my Stepdad proved he does not have to pay taxes ever. This was from after the Civil War, the entire family generationally was made exempt from taxes because the carpet baggers came when everyone but his great niece in her crib. The carpet baggers heard a noise in the house and shot the entire house up, killing the 5 year old. This is how the case was settled.
There was a case just settled and they tried to take a guys property over a $500 tax bill. His equity was greater than theirs and it was found that the State had no right to take his property. It was last month and I did not save the story, I am sorry.
Playing devil's advocate here, just to try and clarify.
What happens when the equity has decreased significantly in NC (from a legal standpoint)?
If a house is wiped away, then the property value should decrease (tax enforcers in this scenario seem like they are refusing to acknowledge the loss of equity from a lost building). Wouldn't that equity be gone until the home is rebuilt?
There are some lots in our area that are listed/valued between $50k-$85k, but once a house is on it those values/listing prices immediately shoot up to $500k-$750k (side note, all of these homes are WAY overpriced IMO & it is crazy that my house is worth almost double what it was 5-8ish year ago. I thought it was 25-30% too high even then. So having a building on the property can clearly double the value according to banks, and sometimes increase it over 10 fold. How does the equity work then when the building is removed?
Next point that civil war era agreement is great for you guys now. I had a friend who told a city council & mayor he was going to shut off their water supply because they were being bullies towards some guys up by his place. The mayor demanded that he stop threatening because he had now power. The city attorney screamed, "Sir you are well within your rights to shut off 40% of the cities water supply because of your grandfather clause. Now Mr. Mayor & council members, can we please start a real negotiation because this gentleman only needs to give the city 24 hours notice & I don't think I need to remind everyone it is a Friday afternoon." This buddy of mine said that the mayor hated him after that point & the city attorney called at least once a month to apologize on behalf of the city & were grateful that he continued to allow the water for the city. Apparently it had to do with some old farmer agreement that diverted a large portion of the water from his fields into the center of the city so it could grow more quickly, help get a culinary water system set up more quickly for the entire town at that time & help with public health regarding sanitary potable water. That farmer & the owner of the property retained all rights to take all the water back if ever they felt the need to do so & the city was obligated to acquire another source, which it did but never enough for the the whole town to keep maintained. The guy just raised the water price to the city by 10% and said if any citizen told him their water bill went up, that he would just stop supplying & let the citizens know why it was shut off. IIRC the mayor & council cut funds to a couple of pet programs & decreased their own salaries to pay for the increase in water price, once they were elected out of office ~8 years later this guy dropped the price again because it was never a out the money. He just hated how the city was run & the blatant favoritism & nepotism going on at the time. The city trying to take property up around him from lifelong friends finally gave him a reason to raise his rates (that had not been raised for something like 80 years).
Grandfather clauses can be entertaining & government officials seem oblivious to how they really work.
Buncombe Co. is very liberal. I know people in the government there and they are all libs, even the men. The women are your typical Karens but with armpit hair. All that said, it is NC state law that reprieve cannot be made. But, they could do emergency reassessments based on the state of the structure on the property, or lack thereof.
But property values include the improvements on the land such as structures, accessibility, utilities, etc. In many cases, the land is no longer accessible since the roadways were washed away. The taxes should be reduced at the very least. And preferably deferred until the state of emergency has ended.
I agree, God bless the Amish for their community spirit even when it isn't their own direct community.
When we got hit by the floods from Hurricane Flo in September 2018 our county here in NC lowered our taxes for a year. But your home needed to still be under repair on Jan 2019 to qualify.
There's over 100 revenues still missing in that area from the 1900s. No trace. The more I watch this and talk to family in the area the more I believe the government is disillusioned and don't think people will start shooting if they push this crap.
Sounds like another way for them to land grab from the property owners.
Yup, seize land when people are down and out. This is how grifers work.
They can try and might succeed at first, but in court they can win due to equity. You cannot take the land that you have more equity than them. They can put a lien on the property that has to be paid when the property sells. The house I am living in had a lien for a few years until my Stepdad proved he does not have to pay taxes ever. This was from after the Civil War, the entire family generationally was made exempt from taxes because the carpet baggers came when everyone but his great niece in her crib. The carpet baggers heard a noise in the house and shot the entire house up, killing the 5 year old. This is how the case was settled.
There was a case just settled and they tried to take a guys property over a $500 tax bill. His equity was greater than theirs and it was found that the State had no right to take his property. It was last month and I did not save the story, I am sorry.
Playing devil's advocate here, just to try and clarify.
What happens when the equity has decreased significantly in NC (from a legal standpoint)?
If a house is wiped away, then the property value should decrease (tax enforcers in this scenario seem like they are refusing to acknowledge the loss of equity from a lost building). Wouldn't that equity be gone until the home is rebuilt?
There are some lots in our area that are listed/valued between $50k-$85k, but once a house is on it those values/listing prices immediately shoot up to $500k-$750k (side note, all of these homes are WAY overpriced IMO & it is crazy that my house is worth almost double what it was 5-8ish year ago. I thought it was 25-30% too high even then. So having a building on the property can clearly double the value according to banks, and sometimes increase it over 10 fold. How does the equity work then when the building is removed?
Next point that civil war era agreement is great for you guys now. I had a friend who told a city council & mayor he was going to shut off their water supply because they were being bullies towards some guys up by his place. The mayor demanded that he stop threatening because he had now power. The city attorney screamed, "Sir you are well within your rights to shut off 40% of the cities water supply because of your grandfather clause. Now Mr. Mayor & council members, can we please start a real negotiation because this gentleman only needs to give the city 24 hours notice & I don't think I need to remind everyone it is a Friday afternoon." This buddy of mine said that the mayor hated him after that point & the city attorney called at least once a month to apologize on behalf of the city & were grateful that he continued to allow the water for the city. Apparently it had to do with some old farmer agreement that diverted a large portion of the water from his fields into the center of the city so it could grow more quickly, help get a culinary water system set up more quickly for the entire town at that time & help with public health regarding sanitary potable water. That farmer & the owner of the property retained all rights to take all the water back if ever they felt the need to do so & the city was obligated to acquire another source, which it did but never enough for the the whole town to keep maintained. The guy just raised the water price to the city by 10% and said if any citizen told him their water bill went up, that he would just stop supplying & let the citizens know why it was shut off. IIRC the mayor & council cut funds to a couple of pet programs & decreased their own salaries to pay for the increase in water price, once they were elected out of office ~8 years later this guy dropped the price again because it was never a out the money. He just hated how the city was run & the blatant favoritism & nepotism going on at the time. The city trying to take property up around him from lifelong friends finally gave him a reason to raise his rates (that had not been raised for something like 80 years).
Grandfather clauses can be entertaining & government officials seem oblivious to how they really work.
That's a very enjoyable story. Any time a man can make a bureaucrat squirm, it should be celebrated.
[fed post about how to fix the problem goes here]
Just proves that all levels of govt is there to screw the people, not serve the people.
Buncombe Co. is very liberal. I know people in the government there and they are all libs, even the men. The women are your typical Karens but with armpit hair. All that said, it is NC state law that reprieve cannot be made. But, they could do emergency reassessments based on the state of the structure on the property, or lack thereof.
Not just government.
Nearly all human beings given power over others abuse it in some way. Observe HOAs. Hell, observe grade school hall monitors FFS.
Not all, but nearly. It's among the greatest weaknesses of humankind.
I was brought up with "do unto others" and other teaching of the Bible.
Those fucking commies in Asheville.
I agree its a dick move, but to play devils advocate for a moment, the people still own the land, regardless of if there is a building on it or not.
There should be reprieve from taxes though. Many people lost absolutely everything.
Thank god for the work the Amish have done....
But property values include the improvements on the land such as structures, accessibility, utilities, etc. In many cases, the land is no longer accessible since the roadways were washed away. The taxes should be reduced at the very least. And preferably deferred until the state of emergency has ended.
I agree, God bless the Amish for their community spirit even when it isn't their own direct community.
That's a kick in the nuts right there
Those cold bastards.
Property tax laws are a scam. Rescind them all nationwide.
You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me
When we got hit by the floods from Hurricane Flo in September 2018 our county here in NC lowered our taxes for a year. But your home needed to still be under repair on Jan 2019 to qualify.
Let universal public hatred of taxation by all commence in 3..2..1…
Law suits inbound. and If I were them I would very careful out in public.
https://x.com/matt_vanswol/status/1876351873705488739
Bunghole County is being exposed. Another win in the long run!
Honestly this is grounds for someone to pull a Luigi
Sounds like outright theft. You do not own other people money. Property tax is theft.
There's over 100 revenues still missing in that area from the 1900s. No trace. The more I watch this and talk to family in the area the more I believe the government is disillusioned and don't think people will start shooting if they push this crap.
these people are sick.
Tell to go to the 9th level of H... and stay there.
there was a time when tax collectors taking such actions would require some rope........