We have terrible delivery service. We see a lot of new post persons weekly, or we do not receive mail at all. Routes must not be fairly distributed. The gloat of personnel must be in the offices or senior positions not in the mail delivery personnel.
Had a sister that did it for many years and finally got fed up with things and left. There are good people who work hard, but some are lazy and get away with it. The union protects them and many of the good managers don't bother trying to deal with things because of the union. Some managers are totally worthless and don't do anything but collect a check.
If it was actually run like a business, albeit a monopoly with oversight, it would probably be a decent organization.
I don’t think that is how DOGE is operating though. I believe it is middle management that has most to fear as they are typically the most bloated. Especially with regard to government bureaucracy.
All the delivery services suck here. It's just the nature of the area with fuzzy addresses, long distances between deliveries, and services skimping on personnel.
I have serious issues with the USPS organization. IMHO, they're far far worse than UPS or Fedex for packages. I honestly don't care about letter delivery - I don't use it and all I get in that category from USPS is spam and ads. I'm in IT - I've been using email for anything I can for nearly 30 years. Letter delivery only enters my mind if I want to send someone a Christmas card.
But I will say, our local USPS people are awesome. They get to know us so we don't need ID, they're extremely helpful and, generally, if a delivery makes it to our local office, we'll definitely get it. It's the whole organization above them that blows chunks.
Democratic U.S. Rep. Gerald Connolly of Virginia said, "this capitulation will have catastrophic consequences for all Americans — especially those in rural and hard to reach areas — who rely on the Postal Service every day to deliver mail, medications, ballots, and more,"
Translation: Orange Man bad and I'm a retarded faggot
USPS currently employs about 640,000 workers
The service plans to cut 10,000 employees in the next 30 days through a voluntary early retirement program
Letting 1.5% of the USPS workforce retire early voluntarily doesn't sound like the apocalypse representative Connolly was screeching about
USPS hits a cord with me. They've been delivering the pervious owners mail for 5 years after many phone calls and even was able to contact the previous owners to put in COA request, to no avail. For such a woke entity, they sure do deliver TONS of cut down trees. My late great uncle suffered from alzheimers, and would actually buy anything that came into his mailbox in ad form. caused alot of problems around the house. It took 3 years, and lots of money wasted on dumb products and services for them to process this STOP ALL MAIL request. ill never forgive them.
I thought the USPS was self-funded through postage rates and required to not rely on tax dollars, according to its charter. What happened to change that?
One of the problems is the Amazon deal - a bad business decision. It costs more to deliver Amazon packages than what Amazon pays. So we are subsidizing Amazon with USPS. Delivery is cheap enough in the metro areas that Amazon mostly has that covered and USPS maybe doesn't take much of a hit either - it's anything outside of a metro area where it costs significantly more to deliver that is the problem.
I do feel a sense of concern. I'm old and I like to handle things by mail. A written letter doesn't get accidentally deleted by a computer. Your backlog does not vanish if your computer freezes up. Now, as a result of work experience, I am used to doing a lot of e-mail. I'm just careful.
The USPS enables one to communicate and have a paper trail of return receipts, etc. (Doesn't always work, unfortunately. One of my sendings was en route...apparently to Mars, since it never got delivered.) What I find annoying is the USPS's direction toward making all interactions internet-mediated with no possibility of human interaction. I would like to talk to someone about trying to find my missing certified mail, but there is no one to talk to, and the clerks at the Post Office have no levers of power to do anything about it.
My clerks have been there for years, a small group of Korean ladies with an accent, but very clear-speaking, affable, and competent. They are unflappable, and do their best to expedite a long line of customers.
The delivery scheme needs to be scrutinized (as some have mentioned already). I keep getting mail addressed to my former ex-spouse. ("Former ex-spouse"? Yes, she walked out on me, making her an "ex-", and then she passed away, making her even more of an "ex-." Sometimes, I refer to her as my "ex-ex.") I have twice gone to the postmaster to complain that (1) the person no longer lives at my address, and (2) is dead. I have to fill out a form specifying who is allowed to receive mail at my address. And, after a few years, the form apparently gets lost, and I am now compiling a stack of stuff to dump on their desk and demand not to be delivered to my mailbox. I am not a crabby person. If it is addressed to me or my wife, that's good, or to someone "care of" me, that's legit, or even "resident" is okay. But I truly draw the line on named people who do not reside at my address.
Also, establishing and maintaining a postal service is one of the few stipulations of the Constitution, the object being that no one in the United States should be without means of written communication to others. One may huff and say that is "old-fashioned" but I would not be so quick to disdain it. The cost of pen, paper, envelope, and a postage stamp is far less than a telephone line, internet service, and a computer. Postage is still about what it was. When I was a child (about 1956) a first-class stamp was about 5 cents (big news when it increased to 6 cents). Now it is about 73 cents. Seems like an increase factor of 14.6, doesn't it? But the change in Consumer Price Index between 1956 and 2024 is 11.53, which would make the 5-cent stamp a 58-cent stamp. So bad management has increased the real price by about 26%. The point being, that a 5-cent stamp in 1956 was regarded as a trivial cost, and a 73-cent stamp today is a similarly trivial cost. Unfortunately, we are now being paid with toilet paper instead of silver certificates, and the rate of taxation has become devouring.
I understand what you are saying. My postal lady is so sweet we give her cookies and gift cards during holidays. Those who are truly working just like my friend who worked in the VA. She is a nurse and she said, "I am not worried. I am working."
The ones who need to worry are those who sit around playing games or watching porns or whatever they do.
Back in the day we had 1 mail carrier forever. Now it's a new carrier every week or other. You could teach a chimp to match numbers on paper to numbers on a box and insert envelope. Believe it or not they fail on a regular basis.
Usps story. We receive important stuff by regularly by mail. Don't blame us the senders won't go digital. Anyway the mail lady kept leaving our mailbox lid open and the rain/snow would destroy our mail.
Our box is a cheapie flip topper. All u have to do is literally touch the lid and falls down protecting the contents. I politely asked her to close and explained why it she said ok then never did.
Finally I had to put a sign on the mailbox " Please close lid " which also didn't help. Then I went to the post office head. She said the mail carrier said she always closes our lid. I brought in a tablet with our security cam footage showing she never closes it and is lying.
Only after I showed the footage did the head say we made racist remarks to our carrier.
Total lies, but that justifies not doing your job ? Always the victim, and of course the post office manager took her side. Her response " get a PO box ".
Now she closes our lid but check this. She snaps a picture of our closed lid to prove it lol. So instead of taking 1 sec to close it originally now she has to take out her phone, snap a pic, and replace her phone to protect herself from the racists. I swear these people refuse do their job correctly just to rage against racist whitey.
We already had problems for many years with our mail being delivered 1 or 2 blocks over and receiving other people's mail, but definitely noticed an uptick in that since then. If it weren't all of our neighbor's helping each ( because we all have this issue ) other we'd never receive half of our mail.
I just will never understand how someone can't match numbers to a mailbox. It's not incompetence, it's laziness.
While, I support this in theory, unfortunately my current post office sucks so bad that we often get other people‘s mail and sometimes it can take over a week just to send things within the same state. The funny thing was there was a contest among Post office is not too long ago and they kept pushing everyone to login and give reviews that they were the best post office ever. I don’t think they liked my review. While I try to have everything electronic delivery, there are some things that still require old-fashioned post mail. After they fire people, I’ll probably start getting letters from people who died 10 years earlier.
The Post Office pension prefunding law, which required the USPS to prefund retiree health benefits, was removed on April 6, 2022, with the signing of the Postal Service Reform Act of 2022.
The Post Office defaulted on most of these payments.
The president appoints them but for whatever reason can’t fire them. The pseudo govt structure of the usps is convoluted.
I’ve worked at the usps for a long time and am not a big fan of dejoy but he’s actually not that bad and is working within the confines of a very restrictive situation to try to fix and make usps monetarily sustainable again.
He’s trying to fix it but hes not allowed to change prices, he can’t fire anyone, he has union contracts to abide by, mail volume is plummeting while package volume is rising, etc. it’s a really tough situation.
Also consider the fact that he was appointed by trump so the media barrage has been relentless. Fake stories attacking him that seem at face value to be true but if you know how usps works, it actually isn’t. The same way they treat every other thing that trump is involved in
10,000/50 = 200 per state. With each employee averaging $60K/year that's around a total savings of $600 million bucks. Pretty good chunk of savings. 200 layoffs per state is not too drastic, probably about five employees per mail distribution facility in the big cities.
I retired from the Postal Service after 30 years. I began just before automation took effect. I remember when you could smoke while casing or sorting mail. I though "man, how is this not illegal?" but that was just before the smoking ban was instituted throughout all government facilities. I was a part time clerk, postmaster, supervisor, 204B, OIC, and city letter carrier. The best position was being a postmaster. Not too much responsibility and lots of free time. I was frustrated being a clerk because of all the union rules. Certain clerks could only do certain jobs and if you did other jobs then a grievience was filed and the aggrevied party got money.......for not working. I was very good at being a letter carrier, but what stuck in my craw was how my route was the only one in the office that got additional territory added to it. By the time I retired I had about two hours added to a walking route. Ugh, that was not a good time and I only suffered through it for a few months. Yet at the same time the volume of letter mail rapidly declined, so every carrier in the office should have had territory added. Yet they lost territory, saying the Amazon packages added time to their routes. Yea, right. I got tired of being good and efficient, so I retired and took my pension and told them to stuff it.
If they’d stop delivering all the junk mail, it would lessen what they carry lessen the garbage I have to get rid of every week, best thing for the environment
Have B-I-L works there for 25, 30 years. NOTHING is based around efficiency, customer service, or working hard. Example: management wants line workers to sort, say 200 pieces of mail in an hour, because some jagoffs are lazy fucks. Not an exceptional request, but dude, who happens to be a union rep, gets in their faces and says “the fuck we are. There’s no quota, go fuck yourselves”. And they continue to slack off and do whatever else they want. If they work past time, they’re paid OT and DT.
He’s questionably 25% American Indian-more Hispanic/mexican going by the rest of his family, but he got in using that, so…
His pay wasn’t the greatest at first (but is decent now)…but his fucking benefits….JFC.
Also, I absolutely-fucking-lately believe the shoddy fucking service we get now will just go completely into the shitter. This will be used as an excuse as “See? We’re a needed part of society, you can’t get rid of us.” All of the legal shit needed to be mailed will be “lost”.
As many in the thread have said, I dont think getting rid of employees is a smart move. They can cut costs without letting a single person go. But at the same time, USPS needs to be exposed for what they are doing.
Low hanging fruit, if you ask me. Real simple to rehire once the DOGE storm has passed. Substantial cuts, or you're fucking with us and get the axe yourself!
We have terrible delivery service. We see a lot of new post persons weekly, or we do not receive mail at all. Routes must not be fairly distributed. The gloat of personnel must be in the offices or senior positions not in the mail delivery personnel.
Had a sister that did it for many years and finally got fed up with things and left. There are good people who work hard, but some are lazy and get away with it. The union protects them and many of the good managers don't bother trying to deal with things because of the union. Some managers are totally worthless and don't do anything but collect a check.
If it was actually run like a business, albeit a monopoly with oversight, it would probably be a decent organization.
Most businesses with unions (and some without) are the same as you described.
Good to run it as a business, but, it doesn't mean those things will change.
Whenever cuts are made it's the people at the bottom, the actual worker bees, who are cut not management.
Not always, I worked at the PO and when the mail base shrank we got rid of loads of management!
I don’t think that is how DOGE is operating though. I believe it is middle management that has most to fear as they are typically the most bloated. Especially with regard to government bureaucracy.
We're in a rural county of a rural state.
All the delivery services suck here. It's just the nature of the area with fuzzy addresses, long distances between deliveries, and services skimping on personnel.
I have serious issues with the USPS organization. IMHO, they're far far worse than UPS or Fedex for packages. I honestly don't care about letter delivery - I don't use it and all I get in that category from USPS is spam and ads. I'm in IT - I've been using email for anything I can for nearly 30 years. Letter delivery only enters my mind if I want to send someone a Christmas card.
But I will say, our local USPS people are awesome. They get to know us so we don't need ID, they're extremely helpful and, generally, if a delivery makes it to our local office, we'll definitely get it. It's the whole organization above them that blows chunks.
The two ladies at our local PO that work the front desk are Indian (American? Or HB-1) and are extremely hard to understand.
That's because you are a non inclusive rassissit. Kek
When I was in WA, I see lots of things like that.
Translation: Orange Man bad and I'm a retarded faggot
Letting 1.5% of the USPS workforce retire early voluntarily doesn't sound like the apocalypse representative Connolly was screeching about
USPS hits a cord with me. They've been delivering the pervious owners mail for 5 years after many phone calls and even was able to contact the previous owners to put in COA request, to no avail. For such a woke entity, they sure do deliver TONS of cut down trees. My late great uncle suffered from alzheimers, and would actually buy anything that came into his mailbox in ad form. caused alot of problems around the house. It took 3 years, and lots of money wasted on dumb products and services for them to process this STOP ALL MAIL request. ill never forgive them.
The waste has beeen critize for many years. But no one would do anything about it. The Unions were too strong. The Postal Service is a labor-intensive organization, with labor accounting for 76 percent of costs. https://www.uspsoig.gov/reports/white-papers/closer-look-postal-labor-costs#:~:text=The%20Postal%20Service%20is%20a,for%2076%20percent%20of%20costs.
I thought the USPS was self-funded through postage rates and required to not rely on tax dollars, according to its charter. What happened to change that?
One of the problems is the Amazon deal - a bad business decision. It costs more to deliver Amazon packages than what Amazon pays. So we are subsidizing Amazon with USPS. Delivery is cheap enough in the metro areas that Amazon mostly has that covered and USPS maybe doesn't take much of a hit either - it's anything outside of a metro area where it costs significantly more to deliver that is the problem.
Interesting. So making "bad business decisions" is apparently the MO of any governmental agency.
Who knew?
Truly, we live in an age of revelations! STUFF WE ALREADY KNEW, BUT NOW IT'S NEWS AGAIN.... for some odd reason.
Federal Reserve.
The post office is under the control of the executive branch. That's why postage rates have to be approved by congress.
Otherwise, they are required to operate like any other business except they can't set prices of product to meet costs.
Ah... I see. Thanks.
Delete the union, the problem will take care of itself within 24 months.
Oh. Great idea. Smart pumpkin.
I do feel a sense of concern. I'm old and I like to handle things by mail. A written letter doesn't get accidentally deleted by a computer. Your backlog does not vanish if your computer freezes up. Now, as a result of work experience, I am used to doing a lot of e-mail. I'm just careful.
The USPS enables one to communicate and have a paper trail of return receipts, etc. (Doesn't always work, unfortunately. One of my sendings was en route...apparently to Mars, since it never got delivered.) What I find annoying is the USPS's direction toward making all interactions internet-mediated with no possibility of human interaction. I would like to talk to someone about trying to find my missing certified mail, but there is no one to talk to, and the clerks at the Post Office have no levers of power to do anything about it.
My clerks have been there for years, a small group of Korean ladies with an accent, but very clear-speaking, affable, and competent. They are unflappable, and do their best to expedite a long line of customers.
The delivery scheme needs to be scrutinized (as some have mentioned already). I keep getting mail addressed to my former ex-spouse. ("Former ex-spouse"? Yes, she walked out on me, making her an "ex-", and then she passed away, making her even more of an "ex-." Sometimes, I refer to her as my "ex-ex.") I have twice gone to the postmaster to complain that (1) the person no longer lives at my address, and (2) is dead. I have to fill out a form specifying who is allowed to receive mail at my address. And, after a few years, the form apparently gets lost, and I am now compiling a stack of stuff to dump on their desk and demand not to be delivered to my mailbox. I am not a crabby person. If it is addressed to me or my wife, that's good, or to someone "care of" me, that's legit, or even "resident" is okay. But I truly draw the line on named people who do not reside at my address.
Also, establishing and maintaining a postal service is one of the few stipulations of the Constitution, the object being that no one in the United States should be without means of written communication to others. One may huff and say that is "old-fashioned" but I would not be so quick to disdain it. The cost of pen, paper, envelope, and a postage stamp is far less than a telephone line, internet service, and a computer. Postage is still about what it was. When I was a child (about 1956) a first-class stamp was about 5 cents (big news when it increased to 6 cents). Now it is about 73 cents. Seems like an increase factor of 14.6, doesn't it? But the change in Consumer Price Index between 1956 and 2024 is 11.53, which would make the 5-cent stamp a 58-cent stamp. So bad management has increased the real price by about 26%. The point being, that a 5-cent stamp in 1956 was regarded as a trivial cost, and a 73-cent stamp today is a similarly trivial cost. Unfortunately, we are now being paid with toilet paper instead of silver certificates, and the rate of taxation has become devouring.
I understand what you are saying. My postal lady is so sweet we give her cookies and gift cards during holidays. Those who are truly working just like my friend who worked in the VA. She is a nurse and she said, "I am not worried. I am working."
The ones who need to worry are those who sit around playing games or watching porns or whatever they do.
It's an exercise in frustration...🤬
Back in the day we had 1 mail carrier forever. Now it's a new carrier every week or other. You could teach a chimp to match numbers on paper to numbers on a box and insert envelope. Believe it or not they fail on a regular basis.
Usps story. We receive important stuff by regularly by mail. Don't blame us the senders won't go digital. Anyway the mail lady kept leaving our mailbox lid open and the rain/snow would destroy our mail.
Our box is a cheapie flip topper. All u have to do is literally touch the lid and falls down protecting the contents. I politely asked her to close and explained why it she said ok then never did.
Finally I had to put a sign on the mailbox " Please close lid " which also didn't help. Then I went to the post office head. She said the mail carrier said she always closes our lid. I brought in a tablet with our security cam footage showing she never closes it and is lying.
Only after I showed the footage did the head say we made racist remarks to our carrier.
Total lies, but that justifies not doing your job ? Always the victim, and of course the post office manager took her side. Her response " get a PO box ".
Now she closes our lid but check this. She snaps a picture of our closed lid to prove it lol. So instead of taking 1 sec to close it originally now she has to take out her phone, snap a pic, and replace her phone to protect herself from the racists. I swear these people refuse do their job correctly just to rage against racist whitey.
We already had problems for many years with our mail being delivered 1 or 2 blocks over and receiving other people's mail, but definitely noticed an uptick in that since then. If it weren't all of our neighbor's helping each ( because we all have this issue ) other we'd never receive half of our mail.
I just will never understand how someone can't match numbers to a mailbox. It's not incompetence, it's laziness.
You are on target! 🎯
Wow. You really do have a problem with your postal carrier. I know my business partner has that problem with hers in WA.
We shipped packages through UPS because USPS sometimes would lost the package for weeks.
While, I support this in theory, unfortunately my current post office sucks so bad that we often get other people‘s mail and sometimes it can take over a week just to send things within the same state. The funny thing was there was a contest among Post office is not too long ago and they kept pushing everyone to login and give reviews that they were the best post office ever. I don’t think they liked my review. While I try to have everything electronic delivery, there are some things that still require old-fashioned post mail. After they fire people, I’ll probably start getting letters from people who died 10 years earlier.
They should remove the future pension rule before they cut the workers.
The Post Office pension prefunding law, which required the USPS to prefund retiree health benefits, was removed on April 6, 2022, with the signing of the Postal Service Reform Act of 2022.
The Post Office defaulted on most of these payments.
Smart.
They're probably just "cutting" 10,000 "workers" who only exist on paper before DOGE finds out. They'll have to line their pockets some other way now.
Oh right. The one with the empty dusty office.
Didn’t they can the diuche that but his hands over his ears in a congressional inquiry
No he’s in an appointed position and can’t be fired. I believe he’s resigning at the end of this year tho
Oh I thot appointments were at the leisure if the president and that’s why they add their own people but he’s a bitch ass bitch
The president appoints them but for whatever reason can’t fire them. The pseudo govt structure of the usps is convoluted.
I’ve worked at the usps for a long time and am not a big fan of dejoy but he’s actually not that bad and is working within the confines of a very restrictive situation to try to fix and make usps monetarily sustainable again.
He’s trying to fix it but hes not allowed to change prices, he can’t fire anyone, he has union contracts to abide by, mail volume is plummeting while package volume is rising, etc. it’s a really tough situation.
Also consider the fact that he was appointed by trump so the media barrage has been relentless. Fake stories attacking him that seem at face value to be true but if you know how usps works, it actually isn’t. The same way they treat every other thing that trump is involved in
Delete the union, the problem will take care of itself within 24 months.
10,000/50 = 200 per state. With each employee averaging $60K/year that's around a total savings of $600 million bucks. Pretty good chunk of savings. 200 layoffs per state is not too drastic, probably about five employees per mail distribution facility in the big cities.
I retired from the Postal Service after 30 years. I began just before automation took effect. I remember when you could smoke while casing or sorting mail. I though "man, how is this not illegal?" but that was just before the smoking ban was instituted throughout all government facilities. I was a part time clerk, postmaster, supervisor, 204B, OIC, and city letter carrier. The best position was being a postmaster. Not too much responsibility and lots of free time. I was frustrated being a clerk because of all the union rules. Certain clerks could only do certain jobs and if you did other jobs then a grievience was filed and the aggrevied party got money.......for not working. I was very good at being a letter carrier, but what stuck in my craw was how my route was the only one in the office that got additional territory added to it. By the time I retired I had about two hours added to a walking route. Ugh, that was not a good time and I only suffered through it for a few months. Yet at the same time the volume of letter mail rapidly declined, so every carrier in the office should have had territory added. Yet they lost territory, saying the Amazon packages added time to their routes. Yea, right. I got tired of being good and efficient, so I retired and took my pension and told them to stuff it.
CHARGE JUNKMAIL FULL PRICE
I am tired of subsidizing it.
You can stop it but I like that idea also.
Fuckin' A peter... Fuckin' A
make it so.
Lost two packages before any transact, no tracking updates ...
Tax spam email like a dollar each
If they’d stop delivering all the junk mail, it would lessen what they carry lessen the garbage I have to get rid of every week, best thing for the environment
Now they can lower postage rates.
Have B-I-L works there for 25, 30 years. NOTHING is based around efficiency, customer service, or working hard. Example: management wants line workers to sort, say 200 pieces of mail in an hour, because some jagoffs are lazy fucks. Not an exceptional request, but dude, who happens to be a union rep, gets in their faces and says “the fuck we are. There’s no quota, go fuck yourselves”. And they continue to slack off and do whatever else they want. If they work past time, they’re paid OT and DT.
He’s questionably 25% American Indian-more Hispanic/mexican going by the rest of his family, but he got in using that, so…
His pay wasn’t the greatest at first (but is decent now)…but his fucking benefits….JFC.
expect more malicious compliance...
Right after my shipment of new ivermectin pills arrives...a day after the US Postal Service declared it undeliverable.
Also, I absolutely-fucking-lately believe the shoddy fucking service we get now will just go completely into the shitter. This will be used as an excuse as “See? We’re a needed part of society, you can’t get rid of us.” All of the legal shit needed to be mailed will be “lost”.
Just watch.
Put those with dreds at the top of the list plz..
As many in the thread have said, I dont think getting rid of employees is a smart move. They can cut costs without letting a single person go. But at the same time, USPS needs to be exposed for what they are doing.
Low hanging fruit, if you ask me. Real simple to rehire once the DOGE storm has passed. Substantial cuts, or you're fucking with us and get the axe yourself!