I think the whole Olympic getting sunk instead of the Titanic is a psyop, just so people wouldn't focus on the fact that everyone powerful enough to stop the federal reserve act was most likely assassinated.
Morgan had to defer travel because he was in the midst of supervising the overseas transport of his art collection. The idea that any ships were switched is debunked by positive identification of the Titanic.
Huh? They switched the ships and sunk the Olympic after it was badly damaged in a collision with a warship. Just like 911, that scheme included an insurance fraud element as well.
They didn't switch the ships. It is a frivolous concept, as too many would have been aware of it (like the entire shipyard). But the Titanic has been definitively identified by unique construction details and the correspondence of identification numbers. It was Morgan's shipping line and he took a big financial loss, not an insurance windfall.
Notwithstanding the collision with the Hawke (which also was a big cost to Morgan), the Olympic was repaired and continued in service to 1935. You are inventing theories that are contradicted by the facts.
There were three tycoons on board the Titanic. There is no evidence that any of them opposed it; in fact one of them supported it. And no indication their presence would have made a difference.
J. P. Morgan, however, had to cancel his reservation on the ship, operated by one of his subsidiaries, and survived. He was a proponent of the Federal Reserve, having been part of the conference on Jekyll Island. The loss of the Titanic was a financial disaster for Morgan, but he set that aside in the face of the loss of life.
Trump continually referring 1913 regarding the tax stuff is definitely comms. It doesn't have to be about the Titanic. It's about the Fed, taxation, what money really is, etc.
As for the Titanic thing, sure, there was plenty of fuckery there, but the people killed who "opposed the Federal Reserve" were NOT the good guys. They were at best just slightly less evil. By "less evil" I really mean they personally would be disadvantaged by the Fed. They didn't give a fuck about the people. They wanted to not lose what they had.
Wow, I've gone my whole life not realizing there was a way to describe my thought process. I was always told I approach things very systematically, so it all makes a lot of sense researching this for the first time. Thanks for the tip.
I don't disagree with the approach. That is how everyone's research unfolds I think. Guiding that process is exactly what Q did. There is no reason to think that that isn't exactly what we are living through right now: "The Show".
I'm not convinced 1913 is one of those "butterflies" however. It's not a "key." The FED is a key. Who REALLY owns the Fed is a key. How they created money is a key. What Taxation is, is a key. Epstein's demise was a key. The fact that all these things link together through the world wars, the JFK assassination, etc. is a key chain.
You don't need to learn about the Titanic conspiracy to understand how the world works. It's really just "corroborating evidence," not "a smoking gun."
That wasn't the Titanic that sunk. It was her sistership, the Lusitania, which was switched out. We can verify this by looking at pictures of the shipwreck. The windows are different. They are the wrong windows to be the Titanic. They match the Lusitania exactly.
There doesn't seem to have been much resistance to the NWO once this had taken place..
Kennedy was their last obstruction to be dealt with.
So they thought.
Thank you President Trump, for saving our country and all of humanity.
On 18 June 2023, Titan, a submersible operated by the American tourism and expeditions company OceanGate, imploded during an expedition to view the wreck of the Titanic in the North Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada.
What are the chances that any one attempting to collect any video of the wreck and maybe details that dont match historical narratives are going to simply die suddenly?
Since 1985, there have been numerous submersible expeditions to the Titanic for phtographic documentation and collection of artifacts. The chances of dying suddenly are 100% if you go down in an unsound vessel (e.g., the Titan). As for anyone else, natural causes or they are still alive.
Yeah you're totally right.. did some digging and had no idea how busy the wreck was with visitors - almost 250 people have been and gone and can tell the tale. Not so exclusive a place as it once was.
Yeah looked at the history of the titanic and when/who was there, he has supposedly been there 33 times. Some time after Robert Ballard was the first and into the early 2000s.
A big gap between 2005 and 2019 in which no-one was there. And things resumed in 2019 by Victor Vescovo, EYOS expeditions, Triton submarines. And up until the recent Oceangate disaster, there were other visits in 2023 from a company called Magellan Ltd, doing 3d scanning and modelling with a pair of crewed submarines.
Seems like James Cameron has been there more than anyone else, but almost 250 people have been now. And most seem to hate the commercialization of the experience but its undeniable that it looks like its been picked over pretty heavily for stuff to forage and sell.
The Lusitania was sunk by a German submarine in 1915 during World War I. Give it a rest. The Titanic was positively identified by physical characteristics and exposed serial numbers.
Q drop #142 in this thread too ... The plot thickens... (I don't see the Barron connection personally... looks more like Eric Trump...or Jonah Hill I guess...)
It was so they could get the PIT through! (Personal Income Tax!)
And the Federal Reserve, and eliminate legislative election (rather than popular election) of senators,
1913 was also the year the Federal Reserve Act was put in place.
Which only happened after the men who opposed it died. Wonder when they died 🤔. It was probably a Titanic moment in history.
Those men were on the Olympic....oops, the Titanic when she went down. Special guest of JP Morgan (owner) , who couldn't make the trip due to illness.
Astor, Guggenheim, Straus ?
I think the whole Olympic getting sunk instead of the Titanic is a psyop, just so people wouldn't focus on the fact that everyone powerful enough to stop the federal reserve act was most likely assassinated.
I saw a picture of the sunken ship and OLYMPIC is clearly visible.
Morgan had to defer travel because he was in the midst of supervising the overseas transport of his art collection. The idea that any ships were switched is debunked by positive identification of the Titanic.
Huh? They switched the ships and sunk the Olympic after it was badly damaged in a collision with a warship. Just like 911, that scheme included an insurance fraud element as well.
They didn't switch the ships. It is a frivolous concept, as too many would have been aware of it (like the entire shipyard). But the Titanic has been definitively identified by unique construction details and the correspondence of identification numbers. It was Morgan's shipping line and he took a big financial loss, not an insurance windfall.
Notwithstanding the collision with the Hawke (which also was a big cost to Morgan), the Olympic was repaired and continued in service to 1935. You are inventing theories that are contradicted by the facts.
John Jacob Astor IV specifically.
There were three tycoons on board the Titanic. There is no evidence that any of them opposed it; in fact one of them supported it. And no indication their presence would have made a difference.
J. P. Morgan, however, had to cancel his reservation on the ship, operated by one of his subsidiaries, and survived. He was a proponent of the Federal Reserve, having been part of the conference on Jekyll Island. The loss of the Titanic was a financial disaster for Morgan, but he set that aside in the face of the loss of life.
Ok, sure.....😉
INSURANCE FRAUD!
The son of one of those wealthy families who opposed it & died was friends with Trumps parents & it's believed that he was an influence on Trump
Trump continually referring 1913 regarding the tax stuff is definitely comms. It doesn't have to be about the Titanic. It's about the Fed, taxation, what money really is, etc.
As for the Titanic thing, sure, there was plenty of fuckery there, but the people killed who "opposed the Federal Reserve" were NOT the good guys. They were at best just slightly less evil. By "less evil" I really mean they personally would be disadvantaged by the Fed. They didn't give a fuck about the people. They wanted to not lose what they had.
I agree, I just see it as a butterfly effect. One thing leading to another, or in my opinion, a grand conspiracy unfolding one step at a time.
Ah, fellow systems thinker.
Wow, I've gone my whole life not realizing there was a way to describe my thought process. I was always told I approach things very systematically, so it all makes a lot of sense researching this for the first time. Thanks for the tip.
I don't disagree with the approach. That is how everyone's research unfolds I think. Guiding that process is exactly what Q did. There is no reason to think that that isn't exactly what we are living through right now: "The Show".
I'm not convinced 1913 is one of those "butterflies" however. It's not a "key." The FED is a key. Who REALLY owns the Fed is a key. How they created money is a key. What Taxation is, is a key. Epstein's demise was a key. The fact that all these things link together through the world wars, the JFK assassination, etc. is a key chain.
You don't need to learn about the Titanic conspiracy to understand how the world works. It's really just "corroborating evidence," not "a smoking gun."
But it's not even "evidence." Just a lesson in better shipbuilding and seamanship.
Speaking of conspiracy did you ever research the connection between DJT and Astor ?
And they didn't even oppose the formation of the Fed. That they did is simply a fabrication for the sake of a juicy conspiracy theory.
That wasn't the Titanic that sunk. It was her sistership, the Lusitania, which was switched out. We can verify this by looking at pictures of the shipwreck. The windows are different. They are the wrong windows to be the Titanic. They match the Lusitania exactly.
There doesn't seem to have been much resistance to the NWO once this had taken place..
Kennedy was their last obstruction to be dealt with.
So they thought.
Thank you President Trump, for saving our country and all of humanity.
What are the chances that any one attempting to collect any video of the wreck and maybe details that dont match historical narratives are going to simply die suddenly?
Pretty good chances. Pretty good chances that they'll never come back alive.
Quite the opposite. Aside from the Titan, they all came back alive.
Since 1985, there have been numerous submersible expeditions to the Titanic for phtographic documentation and collection of artifacts. The chances of dying suddenly are 100% if you go down in an unsound vessel (e.g., the Titan). As for anyone else, natural causes or they are still alive.
Yeah you're totally right.. did some digging and had no idea how busy the wreck was with visitors - almost 250 people have been and gone and can tell the tale. Not so exclusive a place as it once was.
I thought James Cameron made it down there to get real footage for his movie?
Yeah looked at the history of the titanic and when/who was there, he has supposedly been there 33 times. Some time after Robert Ballard was the first and into the early 2000s.
A big gap between 2005 and 2019 in which no-one was there. And things resumed in 2019 by Victor Vescovo, EYOS expeditions, Triton submarines. And up until the recent Oceangate disaster, there were other visits in 2023 from a company called Magellan Ltd, doing 3d scanning and modelling with a pair of crewed submarines.
Seems like James Cameron has been there more than anyone else, but almost 250 people have been now. And most seem to hate the commercialization of the experience but its undeniable that it looks like its been picked over pretty heavily for stuff to forage and sell.
Like this gigantic panel currently at a casino!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Piece
So yeah my bad.. I had no idea how busy it seems to have been.
Close. "Olympic."
Not close. No chance.
The Lusitania was sunk by a German submarine in 1915 during World War I. Give it a rest. The Titanic was positively identified by physical characteristics and exposed serial numbers.
Isn't April 15th the last day to file taxes? so they're mocking the people that died on the Titanic?...
They are also mocking the tax payer slaves.
I remember him saying it a few times, there was a certain nuance to it like he knew he was deliberately perking pede's ears up
Reading this thread jogged my memory of Trump buying the Waldorf Astoria, which was previously owned by Jack Astor.
I thought that was the end of it but no... some seem to think there's blood relations. See what you think:
MAJOR DISCOVERY: Donald Trump is the genetic grandson of John Jacob "Jack" Astor IV who died on the Titanic. PHOTO EVIDENCE.
RE: https://greatawakening.win/p/16amPLBOCO/major-discovery-donald-trump-is-/c/
Q drop #142 in this thread too ... The plot thickens... (I don't see the Barron connection personally... looks more like Eric Trump...or Jonah Hill I guess...)
1913 very interesting year
It was so they could get the PIT through! (Personal Income Tax!) And the Federal Reserve, and eliminate legislative election (rather than popular election) of senators,
The Creature from Jekyll Island
The Creature from Jekyll Island
u/#sinking
Without a doubt, it was comms.