I've driven them in Europe - they're great, but we can't have them in the US due to a ridiculous EPA rule.
In normal countries, pollution is measured in particulate per mile. So if your car gets 100 miles per gallon but makes a bit of soot, it's still good.
In the US, pollution is measured in particulate PER GALLON. So even if your car gets 100 miles per gallon, if it makes just a little soot, it's no good.
It's so good, it's nice to drive, 55 miles per gallon on the highway easily in a relatively large sedan or wagon. Being a hybrid, city driving and traffic is efficient, and you can plug it in to charge.
But not allowed in the US due to stupid EPA rules (see my comment above, we measure particulate per gallon instead of per mile)
Americans don't know that diesel is very, very common (and prevalent) in Europe on passenger cars and that gasoline/petrol is rare/the exception. (They also don't know about the TÜV and snow tires... and how you need new EVERY year, in Germany anyway)
In the US, it's the exact opposite. Nearly all vehicles are gas, and only medium+ heavy duty (3/4 Ton, 1 Ton+) Full size trucks are available with diesel. There are very few exceptions, like Chrysler/Ram products.
This was our first acquisition, and a hotly debated one internally given our financial position at the time (had just posted a $150M loss in Q1 2015).
The rationale was powerful, however. While Tesla had figured out a lot about building cars during the initial Model S years, we had much more to learn given ambitions for the Model 3.
Riviera Tool & Die, in addition to having an awesome team that could build much-needed tools for prototyping and production - also provided knowledge that would prove to be indispensable. Tesla was able to leverage the expertise to get lower costs / better results on tools across our whole factory and entire supply base. The value of the Grand Rapids team was extraordinarily outsized with respect to Model 3 production readiness (and beyond).
And of course, was awesome to begin expanding our footprint into the Midwest :)
My company makes very large industrial equipment. Hundreds of customers refuse (actually writing it in their specifications) that our parts all the way down to the castings are NOT sourced from China nor India due to quality problems.
Oh. Yeah. I'd spec. out 2micon thick chome, and after the first order it'd be 1 micron thick. Or spec. out 3M adhesive, and find it replaced with "joes" adhesive. Wed ask for no substitutes, and theyd BS us about it not being available.
Theyd substitute inks, steels, everything, with cheap crap.
I know someone personally that worked at the Tesla Fremont plant and quit because the work was “too hard”. His idea of “too hard”? He was walking on average about 10 miles during an 8 hour shift. I’m not in favor of H1B visas and I want American workers but there’s a whole generation of American workers that are too lazy to work. The American work ethic has to change.
As another anecdote, I have been a Tesla owner for a decade+ and have owned several. The build quality isn't the most impressive, the reputation for manufacturing defects and gaps and outright missing or broken pieces on delivery to customer are all true in my personal experience. They definitely had some lazy employees who just didn't take pride in their work ethic build my cars. But I love the cars enough to repeat buy, so they also have some good ones.
It probably doesn't help that my cars were built in silicon valley, one of the most expensive cost of living locations in the US.
I have heard that the cheaper cars are made in Texas etc where cost of living is substantially better, and hopefully those manage to retain better employees. I don't want one of those though, so I can't say if they are actually built to a different degree of quality.
My batteries came from a little town in Nevada and have been absolutely rock solid all along with no issues ever, so at least those were assembled by people with some work ethic. Which is especially important because they have 8000+ cylinders connected together with tiny little solders and are a lot more complicated than the haphazard plastic trim placements and body panel misalignments you get from California.
They definitely aren't luxury cars. The single screen cars are extremely low end, and the top of the line ones have mid-level interiors at best. And the Model S had a more luxurious interior 13 years ago than the newest one now. Partly because before they used leather instead of plastic, and also just because 13 years ago a big touch screen was innovative and 'luxury' while today they are in basically everything and they shrunk the screen. Tesla really didn't add anything new since then, but other cars have jumped so far beyond in luxury tech its not even fair to pretend teslas most expensive car could be called a luxury automobile. They're the cheapest 1000 horsepower car that goes 250 miles per hour but they don't have leather or electro dimming glass.
I believe it. I recently had the absolute pleasure of working with a graduate of a very prestigious university who was given a masters degree. One of the dumbest god damned people I’ve ever met. Terrible at his job. Arrogant. Generally disliked and disagreed with on a constant basis. He’ll be in upper management one day.
I don’t think so. He never made it seem like it anyway. I’m still just flabbergasted that the college he graduated from would even embarrass itself by slapping his name on a diploma.
but there’s a whole generation of American workers that are too lazy to work.
There's a whole generation of boomer bosses who have no idea how to actually run a business.
So much of the economy was shuttered and shipped off. The only people who stuck around in white collar jobs were corporate yes men and losers. They utterly suck to work for.
The American work ethic has to change.
It's the same now as it was 40 years ago. We just fired a lot more people. We used to have to scan the parking lot for dudes getting hammered in their trucks during shift.
It was easier to churn employees and there were more companies so they were less likely to come back and shoot up the place.
This is actually really important for his early cars, and was back when they had NEVER posted a profit and only made a few thousand cars per year (as opposed to now, they have made the best selling car on Earth for the last 2 years in a row). Aluminum stamping is incredibly expensive process and in 2015 they had only sold aluminum cars. Aluminum itself is a really cheap metal - thats why they make soda cans from it instead of something cheaper - but a misfolded aluminum blank can destroy the stamps. It gets expensive quickly. This acquisition helped Tesla grow into what it is - the next year they released the Model X (still all aluminum) and the year after that the Model 3 (Their first car to use substantial amounts of steel). Riviera's growth helped Teslas growth.
China was sucking the world dry, manufacturing inferior goods and this was no coincidence! There was a plan to destroy American manufacturing jobs, probably for the last 40 years or more! Globalists could not achieve their global hegemony with a strong America! So they infiltrated the political system and bought off politicians to destroy it from within! They are all traitors! America would have no reason to join globalists, they were already the most powerful country on Earth! The globalists agenda of total control, depopulation, fleecing taxes from world citizens, etc and keeping their families at the top forever was destroyed by the Patriots in the US Military! I remember my grandmother had a fan, that my mother had and I eventually had, although it was rusted but it still blowed breeze! These Chinese products don't last six months and keep us buying their trinkets over and over! Bring back manufacturing to countries where people are proud to produce their products! MAGA!
The more I find out about Elon, the more I like him.
Better for America than our American politicians
now if Tesla would offer a twin-turbo LSX engine... let's call it a "Gasla" ... I'd buy one!!
My wife thinks Tesla should have a hybrid option. She's not wrong - they would make a fortune.
At that point, I’d buy one. Note: I work for the company and won’t own one of their EVs.
They need to build a diesel electric hybrid
I've driven them in Europe - they're great, but we can't have them in the US due to a ridiculous EPA rule.
In normal countries, pollution is measured in particulate per mile. So if your car gets 100 miles per gallon but makes a bit of soot, it's still good.
In the US, pollution is measured in particulate PER GALLON. So even if your car gets 100 miles per gallon, if it makes just a little soot, it's no good.
Thus, small diesels are impossible in the US...
Too many EPA nerds have had the coal rolled on them in the wild. They need to chill.
That would be EXCELLENT.
Diesel hybrid... stupid fuel economy
https://www.parkers.co.uk/mercedes-benz/e-class/review/mpg-running-costs/
It's so good, it's nice to drive, 55 miles per gallon on the highway easily in a relatively large sedan or wagon. Being a hybrid, city driving and traffic is efficient, and you can plug it in to charge.
But not allowed in the US due to stupid EPA rules (see my comment above, we measure particulate per gallon instead of per mile)
Nice...
Americans don't know that diesel is very, very common (and prevalent) in Europe on passenger cars and that gasoline/petrol is rare/the exception. (They also don't know about the TÜV and snow tires... and how you need new EVERY year, in Germany anyway)
In the US, it's the exact opposite. Nearly all vehicles are gas, and only medium+ heavy duty (3/4 Ton, 1 Ton+) Full size trucks are available with diesel. There are very few exceptions, like Chrysler/Ram products.
I wonder why he was talking to Toyota about their "EV Killer"
I would like a Tesla UTV.
💲💸Take my money! 🙋♂️
Interesting post from the VP of Finance at Tesla in the comments...
https://x.com/sendilpalani/status/1915300706359402964
This was our first acquisition, and a hotly debated one internally given our financial position at the time (had just posted a $150M loss in Q1 2015).
The rationale was powerful, however. While Tesla had figured out a lot about building cars during the initial Model S years, we had much more to learn given ambitions for the Model 3.
Riviera Tool & Die, in addition to having an awesome team that could build much-needed tools for prototyping and production - also provided knowledge that would prove to be indispensable. Tesla was able to leverage the expertise to get lower costs / better results on tools across our whole factory and entire supply base. The value of the Grand Rapids team was extraordinarily outsized with respect to Model 3 production readiness (and beyond).
And of course, was awesome to begin expanding our footprint into the Midwest :)
My company makes very large industrial equipment. Hundreds of customers refuse (actually writing it in their specifications) that our parts all the way down to the castings are NOT sourced from China nor India due to quality problems.
Oh. Yeah. I'd spec. out 2micon thick chome, and after the first order it'd be 1 micron thick. Or spec. out 3M adhesive, and find it replaced with "joes" adhesive. Wed ask for no substitutes, and theyd BS us about it not being available. Theyd substitute inks, steels, everything, with cheap crap.
Reminds me of this story/rant on 4chan regarding Chinese manufacturing crap - fun read: https://old.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/4aaw2m/anon_hates_the_chinese/
TLDR: anon ordered specified steel, sample was okay, subsequent orders were different, the Chinese guy said "we followed local standard".
I know someone personally that worked at the Tesla Fremont plant and quit because the work was “too hard”. His idea of “too hard”? He was walking on average about 10 miles during an 8 hour shift. I’m not in favor of H1B visas and I want American workers but there’s a whole generation of American workers that are too lazy to work. The American work ethic has to change.
It was actually a friend of ours son. I believe he was making about &25/hr, which admittedly isn’t a living wage.
As another anecdote, I have been a Tesla owner for a decade+ and have owned several. The build quality isn't the most impressive, the reputation for manufacturing defects and gaps and outright missing or broken pieces on delivery to customer are all true in my personal experience. They definitely had some lazy employees who just didn't take pride in their work ethic build my cars. But I love the cars enough to repeat buy, so they also have some good ones.
It probably doesn't help that my cars were built in silicon valley, one of the most expensive cost of living locations in the US.
I have heard that the cheaper cars are made in Texas etc where cost of living is substantially better, and hopefully those manage to retain better employees. I don't want one of those though, so I can't say if they are actually built to a different degree of quality.
My batteries came from a little town in Nevada and have been absolutely rock solid all along with no issues ever, so at least those were assembled by people with some work ethic. Which is especially important because they have 8000+ cylinders connected together with tiny little solders and are a lot more complicated than the haphazard plastic trim placements and body panel misalignments you get from California.
They definitely aren't luxury cars. The single screen cars are extremely low end, and the top of the line ones have mid-level interiors at best. And the Model S had a more luxurious interior 13 years ago than the newest one now. Partly because before they used leather instead of plastic, and also just because 13 years ago a big touch screen was innovative and 'luxury' while today they are in basically everything and they shrunk the screen. Tesla really didn't add anything new since then, but other cars have jumped so far beyond in luxury tech its not even fair to pretend teslas most expensive car could be called a luxury automobile. They're the cheapest 1000 horsepower car that goes 250 miles per hour but they don't have leather or electro dimming glass.
I believe it. I recently had the absolute pleasure of working with a graduate of a very prestigious university who was given a masters degree. One of the dumbest god damned people I’ve ever met. Terrible at his job. Arrogant. Generally disliked and disagreed with on a constant basis. He’ll be in upper management one day.
I don’t think so. He never made it seem like it anyway. I’m still just flabbergasted that the college he graduated from would even embarrass itself by slapping his name on a diploma.
There's a whole generation of boomer bosses who have no idea how to actually run a business.
So much of the economy was shuttered and shipped off. The only people who stuck around in white collar jobs were corporate yes men and losers. They utterly suck to work for.
It's the same now as it was 40 years ago. We just fired a lot more people. We used to have to scan the parking lot for dudes getting hammered in their trucks during shift.
It was easier to churn employees and there were more companies so they were less likely to come back and shoot up the place.
But that's stupid Jasmine Crockett said he's an idiot he doesn't know anything.
Tesla has a variety of components also manufactured in Ohio and some in Indiana at various stamping companies.
This is actually really important for his early cars, and was back when they had NEVER posted a profit and only made a few thousand cars per year (as opposed to now, they have made the best selling car on Earth for the last 2 years in a row). Aluminum stamping is incredibly expensive process and in 2015 they had only sold aluminum cars. Aluminum itself is a really cheap metal - thats why they make soda cans from it instead of something cheaper - but a misfolded aluminum blank can destroy the stamps. It gets expensive quickly. This acquisition helped Tesla grow into what it is - the next year they released the Model X (still all aluminum) and the year after that the Model 3 (Their first car to use substantial amounts of steel). Riviera's growth helped Teslas growth.
China was sucking the world dry, manufacturing inferior goods and this was no coincidence! There was a plan to destroy American manufacturing jobs, probably for the last 40 years or more! Globalists could not achieve their global hegemony with a strong America! So they infiltrated the political system and bought off politicians to destroy it from within! They are all traitors! America would have no reason to join globalists, they were already the most powerful country on Earth! The globalists agenda of total control, depopulation, fleecing taxes from world citizens, etc and keeping their families at the top forever was destroyed by the Patriots in the US Military! I remember my grandmother had a fan, that my mother had and I eventually had, although it was rusted but it still blowed breeze! These Chinese products don't last six months and keep us buying their trinkets over and over! Bring back manufacturing to countries where people are proud to produce their products! MAGA!
Building cars takes tools. Tesla appears to have some vertical integration. Good move.
'How can you hate that' he says
He is assuming they are rational thinking kek
Great find,thx
That's awesome