hogg wash... if they use water to cool, they dump the warmed water back into the river and pull in cooler water to cycle through the cooling systems. if they run a closed-loop system and cool the water, then they pulled in 75 million gallons and that's all they need.... c'mon folks... let's use our thinkers before reacting.
The real question is if the water isn't missing due to data centers (I agree, it doesnt even make sense) or drought (maybe/maybe not) then where is it going?
i don't know the specifics of how they cool their data centers.... but as others have posted... that river can run dry during dry spells... i don't live there and cannot confirm that.... but there must be some Pedes out there on the Rio Grande that can confirm or deny the claim of the original poster.
Water levels and flows on the Rio Grande in New Mexico are currently critically low due to ongoing, severe drought conditions.
Because of low snowpack and lack of rainfall, the river is experiencing a historically early drying period in the Middle Rio Grande valley.
Current conditions vary significantly by region, with specific levels detailed below:
Middle Rio Grande (Albuquerque area)Gage Height: Hovering around (1.8) to (2.0) feet.
River Status: Flow rates are exceptionally low for late spring, dropping significantly from historical medians. In areas like the Middle Rio Grande Conservancy District, the available water is failing to reach downstream reservoirs, and stretches of the river risk completely drying.
Northern Rio Grande (Taos / Embudo area)River Status: In the northern reaches, flows remain navigable for recreation but are well below the heavy runoffs of recent flood years.
Southern Rio Grande (Elephant Butte & Southern border)Reservoir Levels: Major reservoirs like Elephant Butte are highly stressed as upstream flows are unable to adequately replenish them. Further downstream, conditions are critically low, threatening to run dry.
Because river flows can fluctuate daily based on water management policies and agricultural diversions, it is recommended to check the official USGS WaterWatch for up-to-the-minute streamflow maps, or utilize the NOAA Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service for stage forecasts.
For recreational or safety conditions in the northern sections, consult localized resources like the New Wave Rafting current flows page.
That would be insane. A data center dependent on a water supply that could dry up and cause a shutdown. I don’t think they are that stupid. 44% of data centers use closed loop cooling and I believe that percentage is rapidly increasing.
I was asking the same question. Naw, it isnt data centers.....yet. Currently it is just a lack of precipitation and snow melt in the mountains. Now think......if the river is currently empty, where is the data center getting its cooling water? What this fellow should have done was go up river from the data center and showed the river. If it stopped at the data centers front door, then yea that is where it is going.
People who don’t understand municipal infrastructure make outlandish claims. I heard one that said lake Meade was drained because of an AI center. This is someone who has no clue as to how the Colorado River is operated.
Yet people make all kinds of claims about how AI is going to take all the water and power in the country.
I was in Big Bend National Park two years ago and the Rio Grande was dry at the western edge of the park. There was some water farther east, but it was pretty minimal. I think this is a farm withdrawal, regional drought issue, rather than data centers using it.
Water can be recycled, especially in a cooling system that is designed to recirculate the cooling water. If they did not design it that way, then that is a major oversight.
What is paying for all these AI data centers? People with $20/month subscriptions? Companies with AI customer support and they can pay for the AI by terminating their employees or contracts with Indian call centers?
Brave Search and Google give me basic AI summaries when I search for stuff, and I am not paying any fees at all.
Seawater isn't used to cool the radioactive core directly; instead, it is safely used in a secondary, closed loop to condense steam back into water after it spins the plant's turbines. Because raw seawater is highly corrosive and contains organic material, plant systems are built using specialized materials like titanium and are filtered before use.do nuke plants use sea water to cool
This is actually happening everywhere. Look at your local dams. Go check the water levels. You'll probably find cover stories in your local media discussing maintenance of spillways and other nonsense.
This is EVERYWHERE. Go look at your closest dam.... Report back.... Wake up..
The Rio Grande is initially fed by the Rockies snow melt at Alamosa, Co. It then dries up and is fed by another source. Depending on the seasons snow melt it can be radically different from year to year.
Because of this it is often used as a political enviro hammer by many.
Im no expert and only know a little from living in Texas over 50 years.
Hopefully, an expert with no axe to grind weighs in and explains.
I will say this. Most likely any drying up of the river has nothing to do with data centers.
The west espescially that area has been in a severe drought for awhile. Tje river there has been basically bone dry for a year witha couple of exceptions. If rhe water came from there the AI facilities would be shut down.
hogg wash... if they use water to cool, they dump the warmed water back into the river and pull in cooler water to cycle through the cooling systems. if they run a closed-loop system and cool the water, then they pulled in 75 million gallons and that's all they need.... c'mon folks... let's use our thinkers before reacting.
The real question is if the water isn't missing due to data centers (I agree, it doesnt even make sense) or drought (maybe/maybe not) then where is it going?
But is it closed loop? I don't know what they use but open loop evaporatorative cooling towers use a lot a water, and reject heat more efficiently.
Where water is scarce, closed loop is used. Evaporative cooling is only used where water is so abundant that the economics make sense.
That makes sense. I'm in Michigan and we don't know how to run out of water.
I assume they just don’t care because they’re raking in millions while drying out the nearby areas.
i don't know the specifics of how they cool their data centers.... but as others have posted... that river can run dry during dry spells... i don't live there and cannot confirm that.... but there must be some Pedes out there on the Rio Grande that can confirm or deny the claim of the original poster.
Water levels and flows on the Rio Grande in New Mexico are currently critically low due to ongoing, severe drought conditions.
Because of low snowpack and lack of rainfall, the river is experiencing a historically early drying period in the Middle Rio Grande valley.
Current conditions vary significantly by region, with specific levels detailed below:
Middle Rio Grande (Albuquerque area)Gage Height: Hovering around (1.8) to (2.0) feet.
River Status: Flow rates are exceptionally low for late spring, dropping significantly from historical medians. In areas like the Middle Rio Grande Conservancy District, the available water is failing to reach downstream reservoirs, and stretches of the river risk completely drying.
Northern Rio Grande (Taos / Embudo area)River Status: In the northern reaches, flows remain navigable for recreation but are well below the heavy runoffs of recent flood years.
Southern Rio Grande (Elephant Butte & Southern border)Reservoir Levels: Major reservoirs like Elephant Butte are highly stressed as upstream flows are unable to adequately replenish them. Further downstream, conditions are critically low, threatening to run dry.
Because river flows can fluctuate daily based on water management policies and agricultural diversions, it is recommended to check the official USGS WaterWatch for up-to-the-minute streamflow maps, or utilize the NOAA Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service for stage forecasts.
For recreational or safety conditions in the northern sections, consult localized resources like the New Wave Rafting current flows page.
When we lived at Fort Bliss, the Rio Grande in El Paso was usually empty. It'll fill up with monsoon rains and then go dry again.
'' Water levels and flows"
...someone copied/pasted this identical AI drivel in the comment section of the op...
...check it out, David Nino Rodriguez lights up the dude...
It's just a description.
I have seen it in Collier County, the evildoers have been drying out waters. We have a lot of AI centers in Florida.
That would be insane. A data center dependent on a water supply that could dry up and cause a shutdown. I don’t think they are that stupid. 44% of data centers use closed loop cooling and I believe that percentage is rapidly increasing.
'''That would be insane.''
...I hear that a lot...
...water usage can be managed...
...energy consumption is problematic...
A: They are that stupid. B: Profits over people. C: Until people start dying.
So once the AI centers use the water, where does it go, since the sewer systems cannot handle that volume of water.
I was asking the same question. Naw, it isnt data centers.....yet. Currently it is just a lack of precipitation and snow melt in the mountains. Now think......if the river is currently empty, where is the data center getting its cooling water? What this fellow should have done was go up river from the data center and showed the river. If it stopped at the data centers front door, then yea that is where it is going.
People who don’t understand municipal infrastructure make outlandish claims. I heard one that said lake Meade was drained because of an AI center. This is someone who has no clue as to how the Colorado River is operated. Yet people make all kinds of claims about how AI is going to take all the water and power in the country.
" So once the AI centers use the water, where does it go, since the sewer systems cannot handle that volume of water.''
...one would reckon that if the water was only used for cooling...
...then why couldn't it be recycled...
“If the water was only used for cooling…”
What are you trying to imply? That the AI is thirsty and never needs to pee? 🤨
Correct. This is what happens at power plants on rivers and coastlines
Not just alarming but horrifying but this has little, if anything at all, to do with the data centers. This has been coming since the 1990s.
Here's a great video explaining the underlying causes.
Why does this feel like a psyop? All the wrong people seem to be freaking out about this. Water isn’t going anywhere.
" Water isn’t going anywhere."
...same as it ever was...
https://youtu.be/TGofoH9RDEA?si=nF5iCL880qclYUJL
I was in Big Bend National Park two years ago and the Rio Grande was dry at the western edge of the park. There was some water farther east, but it was pretty minimal. I think this is a farm withdrawal, regional drought issue, rather than data centers using it.
Watch the water
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By the way. Sucking up water?
It was in the Tom cruise movie Oblivion. They built "The Tet", an AI system so advanced it used up all the water and nearly droughted the planet.
Just take the data center out. LOL. If this is true, Seems like they are damming it up somewhere or redirecting the water to these data center.
u/ashlanddog I’ve seen places where the bastards will buy land around springs, then dam up the tributaries.
'' I’ve seen places where the bastards will buy land around springs, then dam up the tributaries.''
God sees...
...and remembers.
Water can be recycled, especially in a cooling system that is designed to recirculate the cooling water. If they did not design it that way, then that is a major oversight.
What is paying for all these AI data centers? People with $20/month subscriptions? Companies with AI customer support and they can pay for the AI by terminating their employees or contracts with Indian call centers?
Brave Search and Google give me basic AI summaries when I search for stuff, and I am not paying any fees at all.
Why can't these data centers use seawater? Locate along the coasts (like ports for our refineries).
"Why can't these data centers use seawater? "
...nukes do it...
Seawater isn't used to cool the radioactive core directly; instead, it is safely used in a secondary, closed loop to condense steam back into water after it spins the plant's turbines. Because raw seawater is highly corrosive and contains organic material, plant systems are built using specialized materials like titanium and are filtered before use.do nuke plants use sea water to cool
...copied/pasted AI Drivel...
...you have been warned...
Nino Nino Nino Nino
How art thou?
It's been awhile since listening to your broadcast.
Something tells me that water is intentionally redirected. Lake Mead is down once again as well.
If California is rederecting their water out to sea arrests need to happen yesterday.
They should arrest Gavin Newsom and his cohorts for the years of repeatedly draining our reservoirs into the ocean.
I would love to see that.
Happen By yesterday? Have to be started by decades. It's long overdue.
I agree. Communism infiltrates. Then slowly turns the population into slaves but before that takes their weapons away.
This is actually happening everywhere. Look at your local dams. Go check the water levels. You'll probably find cover stories in your local media discussing maintenance of spillways and other nonsense.
This is EVERYWHERE. Go look at your closest dam.... Report back.... Wake up..
I don’t care about AI, I am saying before and now, AI is our destruction.
The Rio Grande is initially fed by the Rockies snow melt at Alamosa, Co. It then dries up and is fed by another source. Depending on the seasons snow melt it can be radically different from year to year.
Because of this it is often used as a political enviro hammer by many.
Im no expert and only know a little from living in Texas over 50 years.
Hopefully, an expert with no axe to grind weighs in and explains.
I will say this. Most likely any drying up of the river has nothing to do with data centers.
The west espescially that area has been in a severe drought for awhile. Tje river there has been basically bone dry for a year witha couple of exceptions. If rhe water came from there the AI facilities would be shut down.