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sourcesPlease 13 points ago +14 / -1

Letter to Richer


Mr. Richer,

I have somehow been dragged into an argument with a bunch of conspiracy theorists that involves the Maricopa County Recorder's Office. Based on my research you seem to feel that there is nothing to hide regarding records and elections in Maricopa County, so I thought I might be so bold as to reach out to you directly and ask for some information in order to help settle one point in the debate I'm engaged in.

In 2020, on his way out the door, former Maricopa County Recorder Adrian Fontes is quoted as saying: "Given the limited circumstances under which a document can be rejected for recording, there have been situations when ‘bad actors’ submit fraudulent or forged records.

Therefore, the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office recommends that you proactively check records recorded with our office and those at the Assessor’s office:

RECORDER website (scroll down to search by Last/First Name) ASSESSOR website (search by entering Owner Name or Address)

If you believe that any fraudulent documents have been recorded involving the ownership of your property, please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Arizona Attorney General’s Office. More information about Financial Institution/Mortgage Fraud is available from the FBI.

The Maricopa County Recorder’s Office will do all it can by cooperating with law enforcement and on any investigation in the pursuit of justice."

https://www.scottsdalerealtors.org/2020/10/30/protection-against-property-fraud/

While I'm sure that you're not thrilled with your predecessor's last-minute acknowledgment of system vulnerabilities and the presence of fraudulent documents in the Recorder's Office information systems, I think it's important that you go on the record regarding whether what Mr. Fontes said is factually and materially true, and still the official position of the Maricopa County Recorder and his office.

As somebody who might desire to do business in Maricopa County in the future, I would certainly like to have an idea of whether the current Recorder is aware of the scope and nature of what I will colloquially refer to as the "fraudulent document problem", and also what is being done to mitigate it by the public servants and county employees tasked with managing these systems.

I hope you can see that it's hard for a simple citizen such as myself to know whether a document is fraudulent, seeing as though I don't have expertise in law or real estate, or the technology to build digital fingerprints to verify signatures with, so it would be nice to know that the Recorder's Office itself is doing something proactive to a) ensure fraudulent documents don't get recorded, b) keep and maintain a record of fraudulent documents as they are found, c) cooperate with local law enforcement agencies and investigators who might be concerned about the consequences of fraudulent data being stored in a publicly available, tax funded database when such records are found, and d) report to the public on the scope and nature of the problem on a regular basis (perhaps quarterly, as you already have a quarterly report the office puts out), so wise, prudent, virtuous citizens can make good decisions about whom to do business with, and where to conduct it.

I thank you for your prompt reply, and for answering my questions as soon as humanly possible.

Sincerely,

<my name>

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don’t know, but I definitely think you should go out and protest on his behalf the next time he asks you to.

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +1 / -0

You should look Ray Epps up in the Maricopa County Recorders Office online system.

Lots of interesting land deals around that guy and his wife. Like the one where he sells land to a guy and his wife who have had something like 18 addresses in the last few years. That one is definitely worth looking at.

Then you should think about what John Thaler and his team have been telling us about the Maricopa County racketeering organization.

Then you should take a nap.

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +1 / -0

It appears they may be removing docs from the system as I uncover them.

Going to spend today figuring out how to move this research back into the public. The owner of the board suddenly moved it to a private area, right around the same time I posted here, so now people can’t see it unless they register for the forum.

I’ll be back tonight hopefully with a link to a public area where everyone can view things without having to register for anything.

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thaler names the Mormons in his 81 page summary document. Let me see if I can grab that and post it here.

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +1 / -0

The owner of the board moved all my research to a “private” board with no notice.

Let me see what I can do to get it in a publicly available place.

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +1 / -0

The owner of the board moved all my research to a “private” board with no notice.

Let me see what I can do to get it in a publicly available place.

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sourcesPlease 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's not just Epps.

Prominent LDS leaders, who work for companies like Bain Capital (that would be Mitt Romney land, for those keeping score), may also be involved.

Jared Stone, an Area Authority Seventy, is selling land out there, too - to now dead former Senate candidates:

"Wilford R. Cardon paid $10 and other valuable consideration for the land. He ran for US Senate in 2012. Millions in donations to that campaign. The Cardon family donated a lot to Miitens. Wilford killed himself in 2017. He would have been 34 in 2005 when Stone sold it to him. https://littlesis.org/person/117187-Wilford_R_Cardon

His Dad is a member of the NAC at BYU Marriot school. https://marriott.byu.edu/advisoryboard/ ... er/?id=542

Obviously very well connected family. Are there bodies buried on that piece of land? What else did Stone get for this deal?"

https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1366883#p1366883

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sourcesPlease 2 points ago +3 / -1

Remember Jackie Berger and John Thaler - the ones claiming Maricopa County is a racketeering organization? The ones who say they caught Katie Hobbs engaging in fraudulent real estate transactions?

Was doing other research and came across the name of Ray Epps in the Maricopa County Recorder's database.

You should probably take a look at what I've found.

Fully sauced thread at link above, or here:

https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=1366853#p1366853

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +5 / -4

Actress.

Mossad.

Same as Candace Owens.

Documented years ago.

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sourcesPlease 2 points ago +2 / -0

That sounds exactly the opposite of everything the man himself has ever said.

Keep your expectations low?

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sourcesPlease 0 points ago +1 / -1

Too much of an “empire” vibe for my tastes.

The wait will be over soon, and then we can all make the hard decisions that need to be made.

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sourcesPlease 4 points ago +4 / -0

We know.

So those responsible for administering justice need to do so. Now.

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sourcesPlease 3 points ago +3 / -0

Really great article here. A couple things:

Although we mean completely different things, I completely agree with the author that:

“it may be time to reconsider who you grant your time, attention and cognition to.” Indeed, I’ve been arguing that very loudly the last couple of days.

The author seems to think that the best storyteller is going to win the war, and he believes Trump is the best storyteller. Okay.

I argue that we need more than a story. We need a Washington: SOMEBODY who will work to administer justice in a timely fashion, by whatever means are necessary. Including the sacrifice of our lives, or liberty, and our fortunes, if need be.

Big decisions for everybody are here; decisions that must be made with incomplete information. Best of luck to everyone in choosing wisely.

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sourcesPlease 1 point ago +1 / -0

Trust, but verify.

If verification isn’t possible, then you have a decision: go on faith, or move on.

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sourcesPlease 8 points ago +8 / -0

So many strange things in this post:

“Humanity is at stake! Billions of lives are at stake! This isn't about what You want, this is about what Humanity needs.”

Yes, which is why it’s critical we constantly evaluate where we throw our time, talents, and energy. No results? No support.

“Ultimatums and threats toward Trump are childish”

No, what is childish is continuing to ignore the mounting evidence that justice will not be administered in a timely manner, plugging our ears and closing our eyes, and lashing out at people who are making reasonable and logical arguments.

I’ve not seen one person make a threat or an ultimatum towards Trump. What I have seen is some very reasonable people create a boundary, that is for them and them alone. That’s called maturity. It doesn’t mean we’re right, it just means we have limits, and are making those limits known.

“I've never seen a soldier whine before”

Than you’ve never been in a real war.

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sourcesPlease 2 points ago +2 / -0

In my opinion he is sincere.

He was around before the idea of controlled op was in the nomenclature, and sacrificed a great deal in his efforts to come up with an answer to the natural born citizen controversy.

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