A friend for 40+ years posted this on Facebook "I have always thought I was the beneficiary of an excellent education because my parents sent me to private Catholic schools. I thought we were taught well in the areas of research, critical thinking and logic. I am disheartened by the sheer number of people who shared my educational background who boarded and rode the Trump train, who bought into the lies around the election, who hold Rush Limbaugh up as a role model, who attempt to justify the insurrection and who spread conspiracy theories such as those espoused by QAnon. I now wonder if the schools that I’ve always considered to be of a higher standard were either just average or just elitist?" I want to respond, not to start a fight or WW3 but everything that I start to writer gets my blood boiling. Yes, I know I could ignore it, delete her or snooze her BUT Q tells us we need to help educate and I am at a loss. So, I thought I would reach out to my fellow frens and get some help and ideas. Anyone?
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I think this person is beyond you trying to help educate. Just ignore.
Totally agree. It's like they are drowning and your throwing them a life jacket, but they refuse to put it on. Then they just sink to the bottom with the rest of the detritus.
I agree with the comment saying that you really can’t do anything about this. But anyway, there’s a French author who’s really good at debates and always ends up showing what fools the journalists who invite hmm are. The way he does it is he asks questions. Always.
So, for example, to “ bought into the lies around the election”, you can ask: « What election lies? If you mean that there’s been fraud, what exactly is false? Can you please give me a factual proof that it’s false from each of the contested state? Please don’t send an article, I’ve read them all. »
To this: « who attempt to justify the insurrection and who spread conspiracy theories such as those espoused by QAnon. » - I would ask to explain what he means by « justify the insurrection? Is he referring to the fact that Democrats have been arrested / questioned by the FBI for their role in this? Or is he referring to the journalist from CNN who was inside filming it? Is he saying « justify » because Conservatives are accusing the other party of having been inside? »
Regarding QAnon, I would reply: « what do you mean by espoused by QAnon? What kind of conspiracy theory? Can you explain cos I’ve heard many things. Certainly, it’s important to think in specific terms when addressing such grave concerns as you have. »
I would of course not provide ANY factual information on Q at this point. You’d lose all credibility.
Before you start though, because he’s a friend, I would start by addressing this: « I am disheartened by the sheer number of people » and say that you’re saddened too that people judge but never interact (or something like that, just to remind him that you’re friends).
Not sure if I’m right but this is how I discuss with people. I refuse to talk to people who have not done their research and who spew out NYT and CNN.
Who is the French author?
A guy called François Bégaudeau, who’s too much to the Left for you to enjoy probably, but he did an excellent pamphlet or book on what we call the Bobos here (what you could also call hipster, that is rich people pretending to be cool by discarding all traditions etc - a mix of woke too but not exactly). Anyway, the book is called Histoire de ta Bêtise (History of your Idiocy), and when he did interviews for this, he was excellent, because he was being invited on all sorts of media and then telling the journalists to their face (but very insidiously) that the book was about them.
How about "yes, we were exposed to an excellent education - too bad you slipped through the cracks and got left behind".
Someone who is that heavily invested in the Kool-Aid might be impervious to anything you say. It appears (if that is a direct and complete quote by your friend) that the indoctrination has set in concrete at this point. If it were me wondering about this question, I think I would not totally ignore it, but don't respond. Rather, I would put that into my "PENDING" file for a future response. A time will come, and it will come sooner rather than later, when all Americans are going to be stunned and questioning their "reality." At that time, go to your PENDING file and resurrect that quote, and try as gently as you can to unpack it, assumption by assumption, point by point, and help your friend into the new reality that will be upon us.
Just my two-cents' worth.
I really like your idea of a "pending" file. There are so many people I will put in this file to contact later and remind them how wrong they were. Thanks for that idea.
Well... not so much to "remind them how wrong they were" but more in the sense of "they will be going through a very bad time adjusting to the new reality" and you can be there to help them understand what is going on, and why.
We entered a new paradigm of American politics the day Trump came down the escalator and a few of us realized it. Rush Limbaugh certainly realized it, as did quite a few average citizens....like me. The old ways of doing things are slowly coming to an end, too slowly for me, but I accept that it has to be that way.
But a day is coming when all hell is going to break loose.... mass arrests, traitors tried by military tribunals, incarcerations to be sure, and maybe a few executions, although I can't be certain of that. The very philosophical and political ground on which many Americans stand will be shaking and splitting open. At that point, when the full horror of what has been going on becomes public, that is the time when we can be of most use to our fellow Americans.
Starting with friends and family, simply let them know what you know and how you know it. It's as simple as that. That, I believe, is why the Q team created the Q drops in the first place....for us to be somewhat knowledgeable about what is going on and to help others understand. Not everyone has taken this journey, and there will be millions of Americans who will need assurances that all is well and that Patriots are in charge.
CNN, NBC, CBS, and all of the MSM will be taken over and not spewing their usual blather. So... that's where we come in. Hang in there.
This ^^^
To start tell her there is no such thing as qanon. That before she speaks or writes she should educate herself on who to believe or not believe. MSM is bad source and uses qanon . WE Have Q and we are anons. There is no qanon.
I Think this q vs qanon thing is not a good starting place. Its fine for MSM because they should know better, but regular people don't. Regular people know q as qanon. We need to educate about what q is all about rather than semantics. There's lots of time for 'there is no qanon' later after redpilling.
Facebook is not a good place for a debate. For one, any links you share might be censored or tagged with a "this is wrongthink" message.
If your blood gets boiling, it probably means you'll be tempted to respond emotionally in any back-and-forth, so be careful. If you engage, I'd follow the pointers of NowIsTheTime, using questions. Another tactic might be to offer universal encouragement of some sort, like: "Cheer up! Don't be disheartened! If the country had no diversity of ideas, we'd never have new ideas or make progress! Everybody learns in their own time" ... that type of thing, trying to open them up a tiny bit by dismounting from their high horse while not conceding anything.
Someone like this will be red pilled when the avalanche hits. I have a brother who is a Trump supporter who does not believe the Q plan. I have tried telling him the many different things that makes us believers but his skull is to thick and can not be taught anything. This is more frustrating than trying to red pill a leftist. I recently decided to ignore his texts. He throws the Buyden win and his EO's in my face every day. When it all breaks and the truth is known, I will start speaking to him once again. To deal with his ignorance on a daily basis is to much to ask. Trump better do something soon. The divide between left and right will never be settled, the divide between like minded people is starting to expand.
I faced this exact situation today! I posted a pic that she was shocked by and asked me why I would feel that way about Biden.. .I simply told her that there are things she is unaware of happening and that , since I know her position so well, nothing I said would be received in the well meaning way I intend it. I said me talking would not convince her and she wouldn't believe me anyway .. once she sees with her own eyes what's going to happen I will be happy to answer any questions but I value her friendship too much to deal with this now...I hope she wakes up but we know we can't save them all, we can be there when the time is right and now is not the right time...
I would start with asking them if they are open to a genuine unheated debate about relatively petty matters to see where you stand vs them. If they are I'd start with something along the lines of "did Trump mock a handicapped reporter?" I'll leave research to you but the evidence shows that Trump would mock ALL people stumbling on their words with the same hand motion...did it when talking about Ted Cruz and others before the "journalist/reporter" with the arm affliction.
then I'd ask what he learned about crowd attendance at Trump's inaguration...he learned it was like this right ?
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/822920854585614339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E822920854585614339%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2017%2F1%2F24%2F14354036%2Fcrowds-presidential-inaugurations-trump-average
well tell him to look at this beauty posted by none other than CNN, and ask him to tell you if it was crowded! then ask him for what purpose would CNN and others lie about this...for what gain?
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
ask him what he has "learned" about hydroxychloroquine and then ask him if he trusts the New England Journal of Medicine and Facebook which have both turned a corner on this drug. you'll have to do research if you choose this.
in any case use easy to prove matters that use their own "trusted sources" to dispel the garbage they were programmed to believe and make them realize they need to do their own research and never trust any particular news source because any and all can have ulterior motives. make sure whatever example you choose that you have THE GOODS to back it up irrefutably using their trusted sources.
once you get them to think wrt the simple stuff you can hopefully advance to the more seriously matters, but one step at a time. plant that seed of doubt is first step
good luck
That person probably is getting both Covid vaccines... so in a few months, you won't have to worry about them.
Focus on those that can still be saved.
First of all a good education is not predicated on turning out liberal clones that think alike but rather to have the ability to think critically and to accept opposing views with the ability to have meaningful discourse and debate even if if the conclusions differ. This person is displaying the typical liberal think that accepts only one viewpoint. They can't debate issues but rather personally attack people who do not think exactly like them. Belief of any issues or belief system is predicated on looking at all aspects of an issue and coming to a deep belief in the truth of that belief or position. This person is actually very biased and ignorant and has a closed mind which really points out their total lack of true "education".
First rule of the internet...don't eat the trash on Facebook. There is no way that the other person will publicly admit you are right or that you have changed their minds. Both people end up looking foolish
I posted a bunch of memes and videos about project mockingbird on my Facebook, it's a super safe redpill, no one really trusts the media today, a lot of them just aren't aware of it, once they start searching for alternative media, they redpill themselves, at least that's how I did it. I was always right center until the censoring forced me to look for other media.
I know what you mean; hell those comments make me mad. Those schools were doing exactly what they planned on doing - putting sheep out into the world. Just know that if you respond to this, you may lose a friend of 40 years (like many of us already have).
You’re right. I had a friend I was pretty close with for 25 years who thinks her views are the only ones that matter. I tried to avoid politics when we’d see each other because I know she’s always been a democrat but I had been an independent for 28 years so I’ve always been into research. She mentioned getting the vaccine so I told her to research it first. She went off on me. Then she mentioned the riots & I told her they’re mainly in democrat ran cities. She flipped on me. She talked about Jan 6th so told her how I believe the capital breach was a set up. I thought she was gonna attack me. Now we avoid each other. Some people don’t want to know the truth.
This person is beyond help at this time. He's convinced of his own righteousness and reckons he 'knows' what's going on with everyone else => he's not open to listening; he'll need to see the holes in his narrative for himself.
Sow seeds (leave red pills lying around) and move on.
I would pass. Sounds like this person already feels they are far superior to everyone else because of their " edumacation ". Going to any school doesn't always mean ur more " educated " across the board.
While they may know about " business, art, or w.e. their major " it can still mean they're dumb in all other subjects. Actually that is often the case in my experience.
Ego comes into play too. They aren't going to be able to take advice from you unless you can prove " Yours is bigger ". I can't tell u how many people I interact with that have plaques on their walls, but when it comes to many subjects ( health, politics, etc ) they are as dumb as a 3rd grader.
Also u cannot force the red pill. It sounds like this will need the other method.
https://maga.host/g/LUiR2eO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5UHMsVQWe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXHSMmaq_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ib_bpljYBc
I'll add one more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0ZHsoHAlE
This one is actually the primer.
I wouldn't put too much effort into it,
this person will not listen to your facts and logic.
if anything, say something brief and to the point,
'ok, you and everyone else has a right to their opinion, but what if Q is right about
some of this, and we can save some children? shouldn't we at least investigate?
and then drop the podesta art/alefantis instagram pictures and leave.
most probably won't even bother to look, but you never know.
I would say this is not worth your effort. One of the hopelessly lost.
Ask her is she also a pedophile and that’s why she feels the need to defend them? Kidding.
My response would be, and has been, this: "First, turn off CNN, and all the other MSM you watch. Then, maybe one day you will also wake up." If that person unfriends you, so be it. You can't let that person bother you. Don't try to justify what you believe in and why, unless it will be a meaningful, private, conversation.
Morality is different from education.
Just because your friend considers himself educated doesn't mean he is morally superior, that certainly isn't critical thinking.
Also, just because some has mental skills, it doesn't help if they don't apply them to anything but confirmation bias.
Ask her what lies about the election? Has she not seen the videos of illegal acts taking place? Show her, they are all over the interwebs, I have some stashed myself. Ruby Freeman and company, the fact of pollwatchers being denied all over, States which illegally changed their voting methods, preprinted ballots and double counted ballots, show her the vids and hard copy evidences.
No one espouses Rush as a role model, she imagines that.
What insurrection? Trump supporters have not staged any such yet.
Is she referring to BLM terrorists or antifa thugs burning America as Pelosi and Harris, biden and Schumer all applauded? Have you shown her the videos of Trump's inauguration when the BLM terrorists and antifas, at the urging of the Left, burned parts of DC to the ground, shown her the Church they burned recently? Show her. Show her the times leftists attacked the Capitol, a friend of obama's even bombed it, Bill Ayers is his name. Does she remember just a couple years ago how the leftist twits attacked Congress in the Capitol over Justice hearings, accosting them as they tried to enter elevators and such? No? Show her. We Trump supporters have done none of that.
What conspiracy theories does she reference, is she trying to say 'Q'? Q has only ever asked us to think for ourselves. What conspiracy theories?
Good griefeses, why do you allow her insanity to rile you? She seems to have cognitive dissonance, as a Catholic she is not disturbed by abortion or queer behavior or pedophilia or treasons, but Orange Man Bad eh?
She has far bigger problems and she is being dishonest with you, you probably cannot help her. She imagines she is better than you, she chooses to be blindly arrogant.
As with all insane people, she has to want help.
https://www.history.com/news/us-capitol-building-violence-fires
'On March 1, 1954, four Puerto Rican Americans fired guns in the House of Representatives, injuring five congressmen. The attackers said they acted to demand independence for the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico. (Puerto Ricans have U.S. citizenship but can’t vote for president and have no voting representatives in Congress.) The injured congressmen survived, and the four shooters received prison sentences. President Jimmy Carter commuted one of their sentences in 1977, and granted clemency to the other three in 1979.
On March 1, 1971, a bomb exploded in the Capitol building. While the explosion did not injure anyone, it caused some $300,000 in damage. A group calling itself the Weather Underground claimed to be behind the bombing and said it was in protest of the ongoing U.S.-supported bombing of Laos.
Thirteen years later, on November 7, 1983, a bomb tore through the second floor of the Senate wing of the Capitol. The device detonated late in the evening and no one was harmed, but it caused an estimated $250,000 in damage. A group calling itself the Armed Resistance Unit later claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was in retaliation for military actions in Grenada and Lebanon. Seven people were eventually arrested in connection with the attack.'
https://files.catbox.moe/e4h2uj.jpg
Thank you for the support and links - I think I am just gonna ignore at this point as someone suggested and save these tidbits for when she has to eat crow.
TDS. There is no cure. Let it alone. You cannot help.
Just tell him you don't want to talk politics because he is hopeless. Maybe he will think about it
Don't tell her anything.
Do like Q did. Ask Questions , give her crumbs , let her find the truth herself.
What is her occupation/career?
If you engage in conversation, do not do it on their wall. Do so in a DM, and I like the idea of asking questions or for them to clarify some of their points. In my experiences I’ve either been blocked and ignored or I’ve had actual meaningful and respectful conversations. If you do it in the open, fb is an echo chamber for the left, and you’ll be attacked and it doesn’t matter how much truth you bring, you’ll get ripped apart and your words will fall on deaf ears.