Some say NESARA/GESARA, if real, sounds a lot like the NWO "You'll own nothing and be happy" spiel when it comes to canceling debt. Slippery slope right there, as we all know nothing is ever free...
I'm hesitant to cheer for such a system as a result. Quantum Banking to stop fraud? Okay, sure, but leave debt cancelation out of it.
Stupid people who intentionally paid off credit cards with credit cards and bought cars and houses way out of their price range shouldn't be rewarded or compensated for their stupidity -- whether or not they were entrapped by the Central Banks.
Nope. I'd say a safe middle-ground, if we absolutely have to eliminate some of the debt for people, would be to calculate all debt due to interest and scrub only what people have accrued from predatory credit practices.
Perhaps even cancelling medical debt, considering it's all just been one big scam for decades, but I would never include purchases in debt cancelation.
The way I see it, debt you build up for buying frivolously instead of saving until you can afford it shouldn't ever be wiped. You made your bed, now sleep in it.
Opinions? Thoughts?
I've never trusted the concept... if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is. The fact that NESARA sounds like a smooth slide into the great reset isn't lost on me.
I do think changes are coming, but I don't think anyone really knows what that's gonna look like at this point.
Yes. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
I want to make a post about this. You don't need to erase debt but imagine how far our tax money will go at say....10% across the board flat tax with NO SIPHONING.
I'm convinced you could solve 90% of modern finance issues with these few actions
1: cap credit card/loan interest rates at no more than 5%.....it is literally free money for banks with incredibly low risk. Im even okay with credit scores in some form because there are always people who abuse anything but there is zero reason any interest rate should be over 8% for ANYTHING
2: eliminate or cap all middlemen in servixe Healthcare, pharma, insurance, etc for anything including car insurance. Also force them to pay if they exist. No more of this bs legalese and legal battles to get a claim when you literally pay so that you can claim things.
3: Flat tax - 10% or so, maybe 15. No self employment tax, no loopholes for anyone, just a simple flat tax where All major expenditures must be voted on and vetted at every level of gov for big projects. No more corruption or at the minimum make it really damn hard. If it takes a city 5 years to come up with long term plans im okay with going to the voting box a few more times.
Think about your take home paycheck - Fixing those few items would give you back at least 25% of your income extra. Also when people bitch about jobs being lost....guess what...they are all hoarding the money anyways instead of adding jobs and the new money in our pockets will fund real entrepreneurship and change.
Think of all the money that was stolen from American citizens through fraudulent theft through taxation via the illegal IRS. Just another bullet point to add to the discussion.
Fellow Jake here. See my other comment on this thread. Exactly. Just IRS removal and interest rate caps alone would give MASSIVE amounts of money back to the people
Yah, but how are you supposed to rule over the poors if you give em all their money back and then they aren't the poors anymore?
I agree on that silver lining.
Just getting rid of income tax alone would take 50% of the lower class and slap them comfortably into the middle class.
That's the kind of thing I have been thinking. Just removing the parasitic cabal will mean that our labor won't be stolen. most people would have a good quality of life then, even with existing debts. it's hard to even imagine how much better life would be.
I think debt will still exist in very much the same format as it does today.
Ultimately, the constraint appears to be energy/time.
Money is just a denominator for how much of it you are capable of controlling by not expending it on things that are consumed rather than seeds for the future.
I do agree 100% that wealth is going to increase substantially in the future though. But that will be predominantly because of blockchain becoming the single biggest technological revolution in the history of mankind.
For the first time in history will plebs be capable of investing chump change and watch it grow over time.
This will create a world where people will readily and happily participate in growing humanity and society through investments in what they first consider most profitable, and then further down the line most profitable and in alignment with what they would like to see become a reality.
The next step will be nuclear fusion. At that point there will be no poverty left, at least by today's standards. Of course, even when people have infinite food and incredible living spaces they will still find some bullshit to complain about.
Wealth cap?
I see thx fren
As someone who has always paid off bills monthly, except for mortgage and occasional car loan, I feel the same. Cancel all the interest, not the principle. I've lived within my means, others who have not should not get a free pass.
Have you read The Big Short? Book not movie; it's good. But its only about houses and mortgages, while nearly our entire economy has been run that way. If the Fed ends, there's no other way.
And the Fed has to end: it's one of the foundational lies that has siphoned wealth from our citizens to the cabal. I imagine a new currency, possibly giving a fixed amount to everybody based on something (maybe balance from social security account), and title to things (cars, houses, land) to remain in place. Meanwhile, all assets of Blackrock, Vanguard, Gates and other cabalists are seized to pay off the initial economic seeding.
Trump is absolutely the perfect guy to restructure after a bankruptcy. Bankruptcy was a foundational (albeit in the background) principal of our Republic; Georgia was initially populated by prisoners who would otherwise have died in debtor's prison. Bankruptcy is a check against lenders, preventing them (when it works) from being based on predation. Anyway... debt is a dangerous thing on an individual level, and people need to learn about it, but it's been weaponized against our citizens almost as much as the MSM, and for a longer time period. Something to think about.
One of Trumps first Executive Orders was about that very thing.
I'd have no issue with just owing the remaining principal and deducting from it the interest already paid.
Effectively, yeah, that's what I'm for as well. All interest, even what you have paid in the past, should cover your current debt. If it goes over, then we'll decide what to do from there.
Maybe put the calculated surplus into a locked fund for future sales tax? There might be some flaws, but I can't visualize them without a few steps being taken.
I'm against the usurious rates charged by credit card companies. What they used to do in a back alley with a mask and gun, they now do with a smile and a pen. I'm also against the price of drugs here vs other countries. Big pharma hated Trump for making them agree to charge us the lowest price they charge others. But even at that they made money. Hospital charges are out of sight as are insurance rates to cover parts of your hospital bill. Lots of places where overcharging us has become the norm. Let's end that. Oh, and a real biggie is the cost of college. $50k+ per year to learn to hate the U.S.? If Trump can overhaul education it would be a huge win for We the People.
Agreed. I would like something be be done with primary residential mortgages perhaps that would help responsible young people have families but it would be hard to work out. Not property developers etc
It's not the debt that's the problem so much as the interest.
just apply all the fraudulent interest to the loan principal and go from there
Wake the hell up the loans are already fraudlent and they are from the globalists. This wipes out the globalists money and they get FUCK ALL THATS WHAT WE WANT.
BULL SHIT It has to scrub the debts in order for society to start over. It does not take your assets if it does not scrub the debts then we are already starting again in the globalist pockets. The globalists own that debt and I am not paying it.
I agree, I can't think of many things that are worth saving, think it would be better to start new.
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plus, why do humans have to work so hard just to supply their basic needs? Jesus pointed out the disparity...
Luke 9:58 KJV
And Jesus said unto him,
Foxes have holes,
and birds of the air have nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
You got my upper
Most of this stuff is just people talking out their butt. NESARA is an acronym for a bill introduced in congress in the late 90s that has been constantly in circulation thanks to people like Rand Paul. Basically, it just puts us back on the gold standard and replaces the federal income tax with what amounts to a VAT tax while also eliminating things like the estate tax. Essentially, you only get taxed on what you buy. So if you buy cheap stuff, you pay less taxes. If you buy expensive stuff, you pay more taxes.
That makes things more "fair" in the long term. If you're making 40K a year and living in a double wide mobile home then your money will go much further. If you're a billionaire and throw around money like toilet paper, then you'll get taxed much more.
GESARE is more complicated. It's this weird thing where supposedly there's more gold in existence than we've been led to beleive and it's an "international act" to redistribute all of this secret confiscated gold based on how much a country has been negatively affected by the cabal. It's not really debt forgiveness, so much as your debt is getting paid off with this mass of secret gold as a one time thing. Kind of cabal reoperations, for lack of a better term. They've done so much to us, that this is how people get a little bit of monetary payback for everything the cabal has done to them. What they do with their new debt free life is entirely up to them from that point on though, since it's a one time thing.
That sounds better!
Mortgages would be a good cancel, because people work hard and commit to a long term payment plan.
Credit card debt is just easy money for some people.
Student loans should definitely be cancelled.
Waves hand! We sacrificed a LOT to send our kids without loans.
I'm not sure on cancelling mortgages because I live in a smaller house than I could afford in order to be debt free. I think that people have been too flippant about taking on unpayable debts and I don't feel like bailing them out just because they want a nice house now. That kind of debt taking is what has led to the inflated property prices.
I'm hesitant on student loans. Not all Universities are the same, and some really shouldn't be paid at all for teaching completely useless tripe to dumb dumbs.
Scrub the interest, sure, but no one forces us to go to College/University, even though the MSM has been pushing it for so long. It's ultimately a poor/good decision depending on the individual.
I went to a Liberal Arts University, and I think I got good use out of my time there. I wish I had gone to trade school before it, but my time there wasn't useless. I can research better than most and read NIH peer-reviewed studies because of it, so it has come in handy.
This is a complicated issue and I will say for one, that 99% of us were never educated about money, currency, wealth, how to accumulate wealth, etc. and that was done COMPLETELY ON PURPOSE by our corrupt and negligent ‘educational’ system. I’m in my mid 30’s and still on a journey to understand this everyday. I recommend starting with Rich Dad, Poor Dad for those who are interested.
The whole NESARA/GESERA concept strikes me as a little off putting usually by the people promoting it. I’ve been weirded out by some of the videos I’ve seen.
That being said, the concept of debt forgiveness doesn’t bother me. You have to have peace with making the decisions you deem morally correct and upright and if somehow in the future certain debts are forgiven; wonderful. I believe this is pretty unlikely to happen but it’s a nice thought. We can’t point at others and want everything to be fair—fair and equal is for communists, and we are not communists. So if someone who didn’t manage their money appropriately has their debt forgiven we have to move on and not be tied up in worries and anger over that.
I will say we do exist within a debt economy. Our money is actually debt. Student loans are predatory and at this point the government has enslaved many millions with their loans. I used to be the conservative who argued “everyone should stop being lazy and just pay their loans”. Unfortunately we surpassed the tipping point to where salaries are stagnant, our currency has lost value and education prices have skyrocketed due to government backing (thanks Obama) while the interest piles on top of that. I believe that MOST people who took on student loans were trying to better themselves and their future families. Yes there are people who abused the system, but I think those people are far fewer than commentators and talk show hosts would have you believe.
Case in point: Husband is an MD. He came from a poor family who obviously couldn’t pay his way through school. He has a true heart and passion for helping people and using his God-given talents through science and medicine. We owe a nice mortgage amount in student loan debt and chose a job specifically that would help us pay the debt down. The interest alone (pre-Covid) was thousands of dollars a month. That’s literally money set on fire—doesn’t push the principle down at all. We’ve continued to pay on it for nearly two years now even through the moratorium. It is a burden we will carry for probably 6-10 years depending on how fast we can pay it down. Nearly every resident now graduates with this elephant on his/her back. When people wonder why more young doctors don’t stand up against the Covid tyranny in front of us... just look at their enslavement by loans. They can’t stand up. They can’t risk their livelihoods and licenses. There’s no bankruptcy for student loans—and the system was DESIGNED that way. It’s pure evil.
I think it sounds too good to be true. And what would be fair? That's like the reparations topic. How far back do you go? What about the bank fraud that's gone on for decades??
My assumption, if a new banking system is installed, is our debt would be relative.
Another thing. Did Q ever mention wiping out debt?
He only mentions the Gold shall destroy FED.
Most of any "debt" posts concern the bad guys being in debt to one another.
That is what I saw. Then was just looking at "Money" posts.
Need to do "Gold" soon. So many responsibilities & too little time to dig these days lol
Yeah, I don't want my debts paid off by the government. I deserve to pay them because I took them on and I need to be a grown up and pay what I owe. I would, however, like for the dollar to buy more. As the grocery and "stuff" buyer for my family I am feeling the squeeze of ever more worthless dollars and it makes me rather nervous.
You people are fucking stupid and do not deserve to be on GA. The debts you wont be paying is to the globalists this takes from them and we want the debts wiped out to start without owing the globalists. If you have not paid attention the banks and credit card companies and any where else you get loans or credit from are all the evil globalists. Either wake the hell up or get the hell out.
Not everyone will be able to understand why they got all their debt paid off.
The majority of people really have no clue how to manage their funds. Rewarding them for their ignorance, conditioned or not, can backfire in numerous ways.
If it isn't controlled, all hell could break loose.
I would like all debt to be cancelled, but irresponsible people will be irresponsible and abuse the system to everyone else's detriment. Human nature can't be ignored here, despite any wishes for everyone to come together in peace and harmony in a single day. There will still be some who try to game the system or just wantonly abuse everything, including themselves, out of ignorance.
Debt isn't sin. Your personal state of sin can't be quantified, nor can it be traded. Thinking that way is what the Cabal do.
Lending is permitted by God. Taxes, too, are permitted. Mosaic Law and Jesus both go into detail on these things.
Mosaic Law, however, does have strict rules about interest. Charging unpayable interest is a sin, called usury.
Seeing how the value of a dollar varies from day to day, anything other than a barter system will inherently devolve into those who control the debt devaluing the dollar and synthetically creating a usury system.
So, any coinage/tender system is automatically on the precipice of sin.
If I let you lend 10 cattle now if you repay me 11 cattle next season, that rate of interest is unchanging. 1 cattle now is equal to 1 cattle in a year. The contract can be upheld with no issue. Such a clear exchange cannot be achieved with money.
I say, use the assets taken for treason to pay off the debt
Just give every citizen the same amount - divided equally- the funds for people under age 18 put in a trust. The money is owed to us and should be given to us directly.
That's a recipe for disaster and wide-scale shortages, as idiots go out and buy with their gubment money and find themselves right back where they started if not in a worse position than before they had money to begin with.
Imagine all the druggies OD-ing! It would be pandemonium.
It's the same argument against reparations.
Giving money isn't gonna work.
Setting a plan so that the value of the dollar gradually increases is the better path. Even better if you don't tell anyone you're doing it.
Markets are a fidgety thing, and people even more-so.
I hear what you are saying but it assumes we can trust that "someone" will see that all that happens. Who? The government? The bankers? The stock brokers?
IMHO, No matter how it is done there will be problems "anticipated" that will keep it from ever being distributed or a benefit to the people and left in the government hands forever, as it has for decades.
Believe me, I would prefer not getting anything at all if I could live without being taxed and harrassed on my own property.
I for one, am tired of having everything decided on what is best for me or of everyone worrying that someone might get more or less than them or someone might not spend it right or someone didnt work as hard. Just figure out how much there is, how many citizens there are and come up with a distribution plan and let the chips fall where they may.
Good points.
This is a complicated issue with a lot of moving parts.
We've never encountered any time in history such as this, so we're flying by the seat of our pants.
Maybe it is best just to refund and leave it up to the market -- you know, full laissez faire.
It depends on how much faith you put into the possibility Quantum Banking does indeed prevent any and all fraud.
I know nothing of Quantum Banking, any reliable source you could refer me to for some study?
You got two branches you can go down:
War Castle with :Russell-Jay:Gould
Charlie Ward / Simon Parkes
Both are equally as nutty and if you are easily taken in by shillery, I'd avoid it.
I'm not saying either are fake/real, as I like to keep all angles of discussion open to possibility on the off chance the craziest thing comes true I'm not caught without my pants down, but they are rather hard pills to swallow and if they go down too fast you will find yourself in la-la land.
I like Simon Parkes, despite what others here say about him. He's super chill and seems genuinely irritated by any and all negativity to the point of it being a character flaw. I'll never give him a dime, though.
Thank you, appreciate the info. I have read/watched the war castles but quite a long time ago - info comes so fast it is hard to keep it all straight so will revisit that - will sample some Simon Parkes. Again, thanks.
If you want a quick analogy of what :Russell-Jay:Gould claims to be, I can sum it up like this:
Imagine if McLovin' grew up and discovered that the patent rights for the entire idea of "shipping and contracts" was temporarily up for grabs.
He writes a fraud-free grammar system that can be used to mathematically prove a contract is written fraudulently by design with his professor pal and uses it to effectively claim the patent rights for world commerce, and subsequently goes on to patent everything from the U.S. Flag to the title of Secretary of the Vatican State.
Now, any contract not written in his language is null and void, and all titles and maritime rights along with them.
Or so he claims.
For Simon Parkes, just know this quick run-down.
Simon Parkes worked in UK government over a decade ago and claims he was frequently abducted by aliens because his MI6/CIA parents weren't there for him. He eventually revealed he was conditioned by the aliens through MKUltra-like techniques to never be hostile towards them.
He goes on to claim that he has a polyamorous relationship with an alien and has had a hybrid alien-child with her. His real wife, apparently, puts up with it and has been faithful, with the explanation that he "factually" can't help himself from being in a relationship with the aliens because of the brainwashing.
He catalogues his memories in a comically 3rd-grade art style sketch book with chat bubbles.
Most would say he is taking a piss. Others, that he is 100% insane.
Honestly, I'm hopeful that he is legit, because I have a working theory he is an intentional disinformation campaign to troll the Cabal into watching every second of his vlogs on the off chance he leaks something.
The thought of Cabal people being paid to stay up 24-7 to monitor this dude is hilarious enough to convince me the white hats would orchestrate it. Simon doesn't even need to know he is being fed nonsense for them to use him.
That is my exact hesitancy in buying into that concept. Lays out all the immediate benefits but doesn’t talk about how things work going forward. Somehow doesn’t work out for those of us who have worked our asses off to have no debt!
If it weren’t for the banks approving those loans, people wouldn’t have a false sense of security- thinking - well if The loan was approved, then it must ok … right! Just like Obama did to all those people who lost their homes! Clean slate for all. Then people can start over wit a level playing field.
It's nature of debt to eventually default, there is no other path besides kicking the can down the road. Debt has a limit and it's inevitable it will be forgiven. Historically the only way to reinstall trust back into the system is with sound monetary policy. Hyperinflation is the last stage of this debt based monetary system where technically the central bank is saving the debt at all costs.
u/sleepydude, u/TheQStrategy : just look on this forum where were mentioned NESARA/GESARA first ok ? Real thing ? XD
I agree. We shouldn't let the people that are the most careless with their finances make out more than frugal, wise spenders.
It's certainly a touchy situation. Im sure smarter people have sorted it out fairly.
We have just finished paying our mortgage and are officially debt free ... feels great! It has taken years of hard work to achieve that .. the thought that people would have their debts wiped for free would seem quite unfair.
I'm reminded of Jesus's parable of "The 11th Hour".
I dont understand why they would reward bad decisions. Usually everyone goes into to debt at some point for major purchases. In fact, having some debt is actually good. The problem i see is most Americans have a lot of unnecessary debt because they can't wait to actually save up enough money or because they are trying to impress their peers.
I've been guilty of doing that and I learned my lesson the hard way. I dont feel that my debt should be repayed in any way because I chose to be an idiot and got myself into that mess.
After paying down the consequences of credit cards and still ending up with mediocre credit rating. This house doesn’t use credit cards. Occasional car payments and live mortgage free in 1100sq. Simple is better I sleep well and only solicitors drive my phone crazy. I DIY stuff and buy used things. It’s all staying here after me I have no pride in stuff but my veggie garden is amazing and I grow flowers with Gods help. This is as stress free as I can get. I work for myself a couple small businesses so no boss stress but some sore bones.
Bc of this nesara hold not much for me. I did get a small business grant recently. That was nice.
I have a friend who is so excited and says that everyone will now have an opportunity to do great things for people. I asked, “Who’s going to do the hard work? Who’s going to grow the crops and fix the plumbing and build the houses, etc. We already are having a hard enough time getting workers to work!” Confused look followed by a naive, “Well, if they don’t, people will be mad!” Argh!
So, NO—This Gesara/Nesara stuff is flat out EVIL. I believe it will end up like a scene out of Mad Max.
I mean the word mortgage is 'life-debt'/ Perhaps wipe off a percentage and apply this across the market to bring down prices. I'm not sure how it would work out in a practical sense