Thanks for the info, Zelenko says to take ivermectin with or after food, though I assume he means the people version which nobody can get. We have been doing ivermectin after dinner and no issues with the stomach so far. I do recall reading somewhere the ivermectin and Quercetin work together somehow but unfortunately I cannot find this. It's really messed up that we even have to have these conversations and figure this out on our own. I guess "science" can't help us here since this probably won't kill us no matter how we take it!
I’d have to find the source again but it basically said if you take on an empty stomach, the ivermectin only works on the parasites in your intestines. If you take with a meal since it’s fat soluble it will distribute the ivermectin more throughout your body,
Thank you for responding. I think my first dose was early in the morning so I got it right without knowing it. Any Idea how long you should wait before eating afterward? Just wondering if dumping hot coffee in on top of it helps/hurts.
4 "notches" was about the right amount for my horse. He appeared to "feel" he had taken it but other than that he was being his normal horsey self and had no ill affects.
In another thread, there was talk of rubbing on skin. In my country, ivermectin is sold for cows and deer as a topical application. Can buy a gallon of it that will be 1000 doses. Have calculated that one or two teaspoons should do the trick. My theory is that absorbing it through the skin will enter the bloodstream, rather than be processed through the digestive system.
Just thinking out loud. Any thoughts from pedes here?
Same exact stuff just arrived at my barn today for my horses. All of my horses were so happy they just pranced and pranced around... in their underwear.
Correct. Make sure it is not a plus or gold product. Those have extra stuff (antibiotics) in them that are not safe for two legged horses.
The notches vary by brand. But for the most part, following the weight markings on the tub corrospond to a .2mg per kg of body weight dosage. From the FLCCC that is the preventive dose. If you actually have the coof, double that for a .4mg / kg dose.
In my case with my body weight (225lbs) I was using roughly a 1/4 of the tube at a time with the higher dose.
Depending on the brand, but it seems like for most it's double the body weight.
Say you are 200lbs, and you set the slider to 200lbs. That's a 0.2mg/kg dose (the preventive). Setting it to 400lbs should get you to the 0.4mg dose. Note the FLCCC advises even going up to 0.6mg for very high risk, or if you start taking IVM late into the infection.
There was a great spreadsheet someone in /r/ivermectin made. You put in your dose you want, your weight and it'll tell you how many lbs to set the plunger to. Or how many pills of whatever dosage to take. The sub reddit is quarentined but I saved it at home. I'll try to remember to upload it to catbox tonight and start sharing it on here.
Remember that the dose (based on weight) for your horse is 0.2mg/kg.
If your horse is in a delta hot spot, the correct does is 0.6mg/kg. So you just triple the normal amount. Or in other words, pretend your horse is three times heavier than normal.
My horse survived and thrived with the 0.6mg/kg.
The horsey is feeling better already! It arrived last night. I gave him the 4 notches, and he appears all giddy again this morning! 10 hour turn around!
Bioavailability of ivermectin is more 2x more effective with food. Quercetin is what makes zinc bioavailable, as well as acts as a rudimentary replacement of hcq. All three can cause stomach issues, though my horse hasn't had any problems, his Filly did experience some stomach discomfort. Both horses were back to normal in 72 hours. I'm not a veterinarian though, so I would recommend doing a little research. It is wise usually to take any supplements with food to avoid stomach upset. I was reading a few older posts here that explains zinc should be taken with copper as it depletes copper to be absorbed. Quercetin acts as a carrier for both.
I added:
Echinacea 380mg 2x daily
Arnica oral tablets, as directed on the bottle for body ache.
Lysine 2000mg
Rhidolia Rosea 375mg 2x daily (ultra adaptogen and quite fascinating stuff.)
Vitamin C 1000mg 2x daily
Tylenol 500mg 2x daily since my Filly had a bit of a fever.
My horses were taking the durvet ivermectin for 5 days and then stopped. One tube treated both horses.. Both are back to complete health, although my horses seem to still be unable to smell or taste much of anything, it is returning slowly. Again, I'm just a veteran country lad, not a veternarian. Be sure to weigh your horses and calculate accordingly. Hope this helps.
That's the correct item. Your calculation is accurate and your horse will be fine.
Agreed on all counts.
Also make sure it is not the topical kind!!!
The Durvet OP mentioned is for horses. I have horses and have never ever seen a topical kind for them.
It exists. They sell durvet topical pour on. My dads friend got it by mistake. I said it says TOPICAL LOL.
https://www.diamondkcompany.com/product/durvet-ivermectin-pour-on-5l/
what is the danger of both together?
Incorrect. The bioavailabilty of ivermectin is 2.5x more absorbed when taken with food.
I thought it was only on an empty stomach if treating the horse for intestinal parasites? Otherwise, after a meal...
Thanks for the info, Zelenko says to take ivermectin with or after food, though I assume he means the people version which nobody can get. We have been doing ivermectin after dinner and no issues with the stomach so far. I do recall reading somewhere the ivermectin and Quercetin work together somehow but unfortunately I cannot find this. It's really messed up that we even have to have these conversations and figure this out on our own. I guess "science" can't help us here since this probably won't kill us no matter how we take it!
Correct, the bioavailabilty of ivermectin is 2.5x more absorbed when taken with food.
That's what I recall reading, thank you for providing a succinct description that I can understand in my current state of mind lol
No worries
Teamwork makes the dream work, we will figure it out if we keep talking it over together.
I’d have to find the source again but it basically said if you take on an empty stomach, the ivermectin only works on the parasites in your intestines. If you take with a meal since it’s fat soluble it will distribute the ivermectin more throughout your body,
I have been taking it with a glass of raw milk.
Sauce on the empty stomach if you have it. I've had it both ways and can't tell any difference.
Thank you for responding. I think my first dose was early in the morning so I got it right without knowing it. Any Idea how long you should wait before eating afterward? Just wondering if dumping hot coffee in on top of it helps/hurts.
Do you mean at the same time or choose one or the other?
Chewy.com has it cheap and fast.
Fast indeed. Like two days across country. They even threw in a second tube for free. Looks like my pony lucked out!
Thanks for the tip! I never would’ve thought of Chewy. Just ordered some with a box of Greenies to keep my horse’s breath fresh!
THANKS for the tip! My local Tractor Supply has been out for some time and the Chewy order went through immediately.
Prudent people should have this on hand as I expect a brutal fall and shortages from panic. Hope I'm wrong.
Confirmed - some in stock. My local tack store has been out for a long while.
Hell yeah Chewy!!
4 "notches" was about the right amount for my horse. He appeared to "feel" he had taken it but other than that he was being his normal horsey self and had no ill affects.
If I took quercitin this morning okay to take this tonight?
In another thread, there was talk of rubbing on skin. In my country, ivermectin is sold for cows and deer as a topical application. Can buy a gallon of it that will be 1000 doses. Have calculated that one or two teaspoons should do the trick. My theory is that absorbing it through the skin will enter the bloodstream, rather than be processed through the digestive system. Just thinking out loud. Any thoughts from pedes here?
Skin application can be very effective, feet have the largest skin pores and tend to absorb quickly.
Good to know
Elaborate
IVM is always sold out in my neck of the woods. I'm worried my horse may get worms and I won't be able to treat him.
check out Ebay....it'll be delivered to your barn in about 3 days. Good luck.
Thanks for the ebay tip - my horse never thought to look there.
Amazon of you want to pay a huge premium..$25
Your horse needs to consume it with a fatty meal to allow absorb into the blood stream.
Otherwise dose it on an empty stomach when treating for intestinal worms / parasites.
Thanks. Since I am healthy, I 'm thinking of alternating w/without food to get both benefits.
https://rumble.com/vlwckd-tadinha-da-minha-princesa-.html
Yes.
Same exact stuff just arrived at my barn today for my horses. All of my horses were so happy they just pranced and pranced around... in their underwear.
Weird horses.
Correct 4 notches. I hope your horse feels better
Correct. Make sure it is not a plus or gold product. Those have extra stuff (antibiotics) in them that are not safe for two legged horses.
The notches vary by brand. But for the most part, following the weight markings on the tub corrospond to a .2mg per kg of body weight dosage. From the FLCCC that is the preventive dose. If you actually have the coof, double that for a .4mg / kg dose.
In my case with my body weight (225lbs) I was using roughly a 1/4 of the tube at a time with the higher dose.
Do you wait 2 days for the second dose?
If you are taking just the preventive dose, then yes. If you actually have the coof, then every day for 5 days until recovered.
There are a few different protocols out there, but the FLCCC is the one I followed. They seem to be one of the leaders in all this.
I'm not a doctor or any kinda expert. Just a 2 legged horse that has been doing a ton of reading. :)
So what does. 04 kg equate to on the ivermectin plunger?
Depending on the brand, but it seems like for most it's double the body weight.
Say you are 200lbs, and you set the slider to 200lbs. That's a 0.2mg/kg dose (the preventive). Setting it to 400lbs should get you to the 0.4mg dose. Note the FLCCC advises even going up to 0.6mg for very high risk, or if you start taking IVM late into the infection.
There was a great spreadsheet someone in /r/ivermectin made. You put in your dose you want, your weight and it'll tell you how many lbs to set the plunger to. Or how many pills of whatever dosage to take. The sub reddit is quarentined but I saved it at home. I'll try to remember to upload it to catbox tonight and start sharing it on here.
Thanks
https://files.catbox.moe/lea9lv.xlsx
Here it is. Not my work.
200 pounds??? That's a pony! ;-)
Remember that the dose (based on weight) for your horse is 0.2mg/kg.
If your horse is in a delta hot spot, the correct does is 0.6mg/kg. So you just triple the normal amount. Or in other words, pretend your horse is three times heavier than normal. My horse survived and thrived with the 0.6mg/kg.
Where did you see this recommendation?
Covid19CriticalCare.com
I-MASK+ Prevention and Early Outpatient Treatment Protocol for Covid-19
Thanks for some the info.
The horsey is feeling better already! It arrived last night. I gave him the 4 notches, and he appears all giddy again this morning! 10 hour turn around!
How much should ur horse take?
This is the best one on the market to get for your horses.
Bioavailability of ivermectin is more 2x more effective with food. Quercetin is what makes zinc bioavailable, as well as acts as a rudimentary replacement of hcq. All three can cause stomach issues, though my horse hasn't had any problems, his Filly did experience some stomach discomfort. Both horses were back to normal in 72 hours. I'm not a veterinarian though, so I would recommend doing a little research. It is wise usually to take any supplements with food to avoid stomach upset. I was reading a few older posts here that explains zinc should be taken with copper as it depletes copper to be absorbed. Quercetin acts as a carrier for both. I added: Echinacea 380mg 2x daily Arnica oral tablets, as directed on the bottle for body ache. Lysine 2000mg Rhidolia Rosea 375mg 2x daily (ultra adaptogen and quite fascinating stuff.) Vitamin C 1000mg 2x daily Tylenol 500mg 2x daily since my Filly had a bit of a fever.
My horses were taking the durvet ivermectin for 5 days and then stopped. One tube treated both horses.. Both are back to complete health, although my horses seem to still be unable to smell or taste much of anything, it is returning slowly. Again, I'm just a veteran country lad, not a veternarian. Be sure to weigh your horses and calculate accordingly. Hope this helps.
Chewy is showing sold out on both of their “Durvet 1.87% Ivermectin” options. They’ll email when it gets back in stock.
I bet Durvet is having a record year this year.
Edit: I also ordered liquid quinine. 1 dropper, 2x daily.
Whenever I leave work my usual comment would be, time to go home and horse f@ck the ole lady. This just adds to it!
I'm only seeing apple flavored. Is it all apple flavored? My horse wants to minimize any additives and actually does not like apples!
WOW... Durvet seems to be saying that it is not for human use. LOL.. all over the product page and image. https://www.durvet.com/product/ivermectin-paste/