My daughter works for a religious system here, and they've also denied religious exemptions. Their reason is that there is an option that does not contain the aborted fetal cell line. I have read two differing views on that so I don't know if that's a valid reason.
They are playing a semantic game. It does not CONTAIN fetal cell lines, but it was tested on the aborted fetal cells and developed using them. Same thing, in a religious exemption, because it is an objection against abortion.
Your first link has many inconsistencies and references things that don't exist (like where it says, "below you'll find").
Your second article is only in relation to the J&J so I didn't want to give MSN a click.
Your third article explicitly says that Madurna and Pfizer's, "vaccines" do not contain fetal material. It also states that the J&J only uses fetal cell linings, not fetal cells themselves (not a significant enough distinction to me but my point is, facts matter).
Unless I'm missing something, both of your claims are wrong as currently presented, by your own sources. I'd like to be proven wrong on this, but I don't think I'm going to be.
I did a quick search on duck duck go and came up with the three answers. Do your own research if you don't believe me.. I am sure you could find your own answers if you wished to. My initial source may not have been good...but maybe my next one can help you out.
The mRNA is NOT officially a vaccine. Apparently you did not read the article I linked to earlier:
"However such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both Vaccines" Thus what I said before. Thus the mRNA still uses fetal cells in it's development.
From this paragraph:
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine.
However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines.
Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion...one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”
Again, it contains fetal cell linings. I say this again not because the difference is substantial to me, but because you're claiming something that is false. The truth matters. Having pointless falsehoods such as this in a comment allows others to poke against your argument, when it is entirely avoidable by just making sure you stick to the facts.
The mRNA is NOT officially a vaccine. Apparently you did not read the article I linked to earlier:
Not my point - you seem to be incredibly defensive and acting like I'm in favor of these, "vaccines." Note this is the SECOND time I put that in quotes.
"However such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both Vaccines" Thus what I said before. Thus the mRNA still uses fetal cells in it's development.
Only in development, which doesn't mean it's used in the final production. Again my point here is only for you to be completely truthful. Apparently a lot of people on this site don't seem to get that, and try to argue with anyone who dares to question them, so I'm making this painfully obvious in this comment.
From this paragraph:
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine.
That's why I wouldn't use that argument though it's valid. They always seem to come up with a reason but they won't always tell you why, at least where I work. They've also made finding out who the specific people are who make these decisions, very difficult. No names just some damn God-complex committee.
It's because people and organization like this exist is why Trump and the Military can't just overturn everything by just snapping their fingers. These people have to be outed. Our country is so far gone it's not going to be easy to get it back.
Also, it rejects requests if people have had other vaccinations in the past.
Let's see ... I was roughly 2 years old then ... hard to remember, but I'm PRETTY SURE at that age I didn't know about fetal tissue in the vaccines, nor was I given a choice, nor did I give informed consent (literally, I was, forcibly, at age 2 and younger, given these shots - I was assaulted), and you're going to hold that against me 50 years later ... uh huh.
I just love red pilling people with that fact, but in a rope-a-dope kind of way.
Step 1)
I start out with chicken eggs, and explain that they use chicken eggs to grow certain viruses for vaccines, and invariably some chicken egg protein gets into the final vaccine product, and gets injected as part of the vaccination.
And thats why some people are allergic to chicken eggs, and can no longer take certain vaccines that were made with chicken eggs. Nobody is born with a chicken egg allergy. Every chicken egg “allergy” is a vaccine-induced immune response.
Step 2)
I mention that Chinese Hamster Ovary (CHO) cells are the most widely used cells in vaccine production, and invariably some CHO protein makes it into the final vaccine product, and gets injected as part of the vaccination...
And consequentially PCOS (poly cystic ovary syndrome) is the most prevalent endocrine problem in the world.
Step 3) i mention that some viruses can ONLY grow in human cells, and therefore they must use human cells to produce viruses for vaccines,
And invariably some human DNA gets in the final vaccine product, and injected as part of the vaccination.
And consequently, thats what causes so-called “auto immune” disorders, where your immune system attacks parts of your own body for no apparent reason.
I suspect the fact that some of these cells come from a female, and some come from a male, is the reason “gender dysphoria” is a growing problem
In the past, my place of work fooled me with misleading information that I could not say religeous objection as I did not belong to a specific organized religion. So I had to say philisophical. Only now do I understand their propaganda was false. I put religious objection this year. My body, GOD's temple...
Funny, ours does too, huh, wonder if all these hospital systems colluded against their employees with other institutions. I told someone when I heard our org was denying based on prior immunizations that, that is demonic. Our org on it's form for exemption they ask about prior vaccinations, they want you to tell them your vax history, then they weaponize your truthfulness against you. Since they don't have me on record receiving any vax, I told them, the years I went to public school as they were mandatory. They couldn't use that against me. I've had a few since school but it's been over 25 years.
The Methodist hospital that I am employed by mandated vaccines today. They will accept exemption requests, and IF they approve an exemption, you may be moved to "alternative work" unless the nature of your job cannot be accomodated by an alternative. In such a case, you are "deemed to have resigned from employment" by not complying with their mandate. They state that on May 28, 2021, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission specified that employers could mandate Covid-19 vaccination. As such, there is no opportunity to be fired; they are equating "noncompliance" with "resignation"
How long did they give you? We were told in July and given until the end of this month thus allowing us time to gather together as a group, privately on a telegram channel. We have legal counsel but right now we aren't suing. There are reasons I can't get into here. I received my exemption but had one already for the flu which I refused to take when I came on board in 2017. I have heard in other organizations in our area that if you get an exemption they are going to make you test weekly and/or wear an n-95 mask at all times while on site. They are really putting people's backs to the wall with this.😡
The mandate announced today requires full vaccination status by December1. Last date to receive first dose (of Pfizer or Moderna) is November 17. I am fairly certain that exemptions for clinical staff will be a non-starter.
Well being honest I'd say that alcohol drugs or tattoos are voluntary and you know the risks. There are no studies to show these are safe or that they even work at what they say is their goal. These are not voluntary, a mandate is a mandate.
Also, it rejects requests if people have had other vaccinations in the past.
The clot-shot IS NOT A VACCINE therefore they cannot use this as an excuse to refuse the religious exemption. No other vaccine is mRNA "gene therapy" so they can take that excuse and shove it up their ass.
I've heard our legislators are meeting in special session on the 15 to pass a bill that mandates employers must accept all religious exemptions. There were many where I work who were denied their exemption. I hope this happens, if it does, I will make a post about it.
My mother worked for this hospital for a long time.
They will do just about anything to get rid of American employees to bring in H-1Bs. They are happier with people that are obedient and happy getting paid less. No shits given.
I wouldn't be surprise if this was all a ploy to ride the snake of liberal wokeness while taking advantage of the fact they were planning turnover anyway.
My daughter works for a religious system here, and they've also denied religious exemptions. Their reason is that there is an option that does not contain the aborted fetal cell line. I have read two differing views on that so I don't know if that's a valid reason.
Phizer makes it with the fetal cell lines but strips it out for final product.
Ethically on religeous grounds it should not be injected into GOD's temple.
They are playing a semantic game. It does not CONTAIN fetal cell lines, but it was tested on the aborted fetal cells and developed using them. Same thing, in a religious exemption, because it is an objection against abortion.
Afaik, they all used aborted fetal lines. At least in testing. J&J uses it in manufacturing process from what I recall.
The J&J shot uses fetal cells (as do all flu shots) in the end product
The mRNA shots do not have fetal cells in them, however they use the fetal cell lines to produce it.
Thus ALL of them use fetal cells.
Could you provide some sources for these claims? I'd love to add that to my catalogs.
Flu vaccines: https://www.cga.ct.gov/2020/PHdata/Tmy/2020HB-05044-R000219-Wrinn%2015,%20Chris-TMY.PDF
J&J vaccine: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fetal-cell-lines-were-used-to-make-the-johnson-and-johnson-covid-vaccine%E2%80%94heres-what-that-means/ar-BB1efi8p
mRNA shots: https://www.health.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/COVID%20Vaccine%20Page/COVID-19_Vaccine_Fetal_Cell_Handout.pdf
Your first link has many inconsistencies and references things that don't exist (like where it says, "below you'll find").
Your second article is only in relation to the J&J so I didn't want to give MSN a click.
Your third article explicitly says that Madurna and Pfizer's, "vaccines" do not contain fetal material. It also states that the J&J only uses fetal cell linings, not fetal cells themselves (not a significant enough distinction to me but my point is, facts matter).
Unless I'm missing something, both of your claims are wrong as currently presented, by your own sources. I'd like to be proven wrong on this, but I don't think I'm going to be.
Can we please not spread mis-information?
I did a quick search on duck duck go and came up with the three answers. Do your own research if you don't believe me.. I am sure you could find your own answers if you wished to. My initial source may not have been good...but maybe my next one can help you out.
All flu vaccines contain fetal cells. That is a fact. Even the CDC admitted it https://www.thestandardsc.org/baxter-dmitry/cdc-admit-vaccines-contain-aborted-human-fetus-cells/
As a vaccine so does J&J and the Catholic Church even told Catholics not to take it. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2021/03/04/bishops-tell-catholics-to-avoid-johnson---johnson-vaccine-if-possible
The mRNA is NOT officially a vaccine. Apparently you did not read the article I linked to earlier:
"However such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both Vaccines" Thus what I said before. Thus the mRNA still uses fetal cells in it's development.
From this paragraph:
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine.
However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines.
Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion...one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”
No, that's not how this works. You made a claim, you're expected to support it.
I'm not disputing this - We're not talking about flu vaccines or anything other than the three mentioned in your original comment.
Again, it contains fetal cell linings. I say this again not because the difference is substantial to me, but because you're claiming something that is false. The truth matters. Having pointless falsehoods such as this in a comment allows others to poke against your argument, when it is entirely avoidable by just making sure you stick to the facts.
Not my point - you seem to be incredibly defensive and acting like I'm in favor of these, "vaccines." Note this is the SECOND time I put that in quotes.
Only in development, which doesn't mean it's used in the final production. Again my point here is only for you to be completely truthful. Apparently a lot of people on this site don't seem to get that, and try to argue with anyone who dares to question them, so I'm making this painfully obvious in this comment.
We've covered this above.
That's why I wouldn't use that argument though it's valid. They always seem to come up with a reason but they won't always tell you why, at least where I work. They've also made finding out who the specific people are who make these decisions, very difficult. No names just some damn God-complex committee.
Plus, if you go in to get the jab, do they give you a choice of which one? Not that I'm getting one, regardless.
Yes, you can choose if you go somewhere that offers them all.
I choose to not take it.
shows you that most organized religious institutions are 501c3 and essentially run by the state.
Methodists aren't Christian. They've abandoned God's word.
If it were not for the African church, they would be openly gay at most of these congregations
More like, Satanist Health Systems than any other religious "health system."
Advent Health here in FL is another that is quickly heading down that road.
It is absolutely inconceivable that a hospital, of all places, would ever mandate an experimental and lethal vaccine for all its workers.
We are living in bizarre times.
It's because people and organization like this exist is why Trump and the Military can't just overturn everything by just snapping their fingers. These people have to be outed. Our country is so far gone it's not going to be easy to get it back.
It's also one of the biggest hospitals in the country.
If you were trying for precedent this is a good way to go about it.
This isn't a casual thing that Houston Methodist happens to be the ones doing this.
Let's see ... I was roughly 2 years old then ... hard to remember, but I'm PRETTY SURE at that age I didn't know about fetal tissue in the vaccines, nor was I given a choice, nor did I give informed consent (literally, I was, forcibly, at age 2 and younger, given these shots - I was assaulted), and you're going to hold that against me 50 years later ... uh huh.
People find religion every day.
Yup, and the use of fetal cells in vaccines is also not well known among normies.
I just love red pilling people with that fact, but in a rope-a-dope kind of way.
Step 1)
I start out with chicken eggs, and explain that they use chicken eggs to grow certain viruses for vaccines, and invariably some chicken egg protein gets into the final vaccine product, and gets injected as part of the vaccination.
And thats why some people are allergic to chicken eggs, and can no longer take certain vaccines that were made with chicken eggs. Nobody is born with a chicken egg allergy. Every chicken egg “allergy” is a vaccine-induced immune response.
Step 2)
I mention that Chinese Hamster Ovary (CHO) cells are the most widely used cells in vaccine production, and invariably some CHO protein makes it into the final vaccine product, and gets injected as part of the vaccination...
And consequentially PCOS (poly cystic ovary syndrome) is the most prevalent endocrine problem in the world.
Step 3) i mention that some viruses can ONLY grow in human cells, and therefore they must use human cells to produce viruses for vaccines,
And invariably some human DNA gets in the final vaccine product, and injected as part of the vaccination.
And consequently, thats what causes so-called “auto immune” disorders, where your immune system attacks parts of your own body for no apparent reason.
I suspect the fact that some of these cells come from a female, and some come from a male, is the reason “gender dysphoria” is a growing problem
That last paragraph really gets the old noodle cooking.
Gender dysphoria is highly associated with Aspergers,
And we already know that vaccines cause autism,
Therefore its logical vaccines cause gender dysphoria.
We just have to work out the nuts and bolts of how and why that happens, and some people will accept it as somewhat true.
The more people we can get talking about that, the more debate there is, the more ideas get presented, and the more truths will be discovered.
Isnt it strange how the medical and scientific community react to gender dyaphoria?
On the one hand, they present it as this life threatening medical condition that requires extensive treatments...
But on the other hand, they present it as a perfectly normal part of the human condition, and nothing to be alarmed about.
I suspect they know vaccines cause gender dysphoria, but they know that if the truth got out, people would stop vaccinating,
Because apparently measles is a much bigger medical problem than a “woman” with a penis.
My family is full of extreme Catholics, all vaxxed but me. I guarantee they do not know. I'm pretty sure they don't want to.
In the past, my place of work fooled me with misleading information that I could not say religeous objection as I did not belong to a specific organized religion. So I had to say philisophical. Only now do I understand their propaganda was false. I put religious objection this year. My body, GOD's temple...
Funny, ours does too, huh, wonder if all these hospital systems colluded against their employees with other institutions. I told someone when I heard our org was denying based on prior immunizations that, that is demonic. Our org on it's form for exemption they ask about prior vaccinations, they want you to tell them your vax history, then they weaponize your truthfulness against you. Since they don't have me on record receiving any vax, I told them, the years I went to public school as they were mandatory. They couldn't use that against me. I've had a few since school but it's been over 25 years.
The Methodist hospital that I am employed by mandated vaccines today. They will accept exemption requests, and IF they approve an exemption, you may be moved to "alternative work" unless the nature of your job cannot be accomodated by an alternative. In such a case, you are "deemed to have resigned from employment" by not complying with their mandate. They state that on May 28, 2021, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission specified that employers could mandate Covid-19 vaccination. As such, there is no opportunity to be fired; they are equating "noncompliance" with "resignation"
Talk to a lawyer immediately. They are trying to play legal games.
Ty Fren! Praying for you!
How long did they give you? We were told in July and given until the end of this month thus allowing us time to gather together as a group, privately on a telegram channel. We have legal counsel but right now we aren't suing. There are reasons I can't get into here. I received my exemption but had one already for the flu which I refused to take when I came on board in 2017. I have heard in other organizations in our area that if you get an exemption they are going to make you test weekly and/or wear an n-95 mask at all times while on site. They are really putting people's backs to the wall with this.😡
The mandate announced today requires full vaccination status by December1. Last date to receive first dose (of Pfizer or Moderna) is November 17. I am fairly certain that exemptions for clinical staff will be a non-starter.
This is only the start.
Only 178 refused is more troubling.
My body is a temple and I don’t believe that god would want me to inject my body with unnatural things. Same with tattoos and alcohol/drugs.
But let’s be real, this is the way to get out of it. I love alcohol.
Well being honest I'd say that alcohol drugs or tattoos are voluntary and you know the risks. There are no studies to show these are safe or that they even work at what they say is their goal. These are not voluntary, a mandate is a mandate.
25,000 employees
178 who refused the vaccine
24,822 sheep
Incredibly sad.
The clot-shot IS NOT A VACCINE therefore they cannot use this as an excuse to refuse the religious exemption. No other vaccine is mRNA "gene therapy" so they can take that excuse and shove it up their ass.
I've heard our legislators are meeting in special session on the 15 to pass a bill that mandates employers must accept all religious exemptions. There were many where I work who were denied their exemption. I hope this happens, if it does, I will make a post about it.
Please do!!! Ty fren!!!
Is there a link to the original letter? All we have is what's quoted in the article.
Methodist organization (not the majority of methodist church goers) is upside down version of Christianity.
How is this legal?
My mother worked for this hospital for a long time.
They will do just about anything to get rid of American employees to bring in H-1Bs. They are happier with people that are obedient and happy getting paid less. No shits given.
I wouldn't be surprise if this was all a ploy to ride the snake of liberal wokeness while taking advantage of the fact they were planning turnover anyway.
When the employees start dropping like flies it won't matter if their Americans or visa holders, they'll be dead or injured for life.
Methodist is part owned by the Saudis.
Trust me. They are fine w everyone dying.
All of thees deep state mother fuckers are going to have a great time at GTMO.