Lawyers & Scientists Are Building A Case For Why Natural Immunity Should Be Treated Same As Vaccination
Now that at least one employer in the health-care field - Michigan's Spectrum Health - has decided to accept proof of natural immunity from prior infection as reason to waive its vaccination mandate for all employees, legal expert (and the reporters who love to quote them) are wondering: will the legality of proving natural immunity potentially win out in court?
The answer to that question, they say, will depend - as all things COVID-related do - on "the science", that nebulous and frequently shifting concept of how prior infection impacts immunity to new variants (and whether vaccine's do as well).
According to a report in Yahoo Finance, the notion that natural immunity is superior is already gaining support in the legal world. Presently, a handful of studies from different countries offer a conflicting view of whether natural immunity actually is superior to vaccinated immunity, or a combination of prior infection and vaccination
Since it's likely the federal government's aim to roll out vaccine mandates that cover practically every US worker (they're not too far off already), the issue of natural vs. vaccine immunity and whether some individuals should receive exemptions based on their antibody levels almost certainly be adjudicated in the federal courts.
At least one attorney quoted by Yahoo agrees:
"I think that a judge might reject a rule that's been issued by a body, like the U.S. Department of Labor or by a state, that has not been sufficiently thought through as it relates to the science," Erik Eisenmann, a labor and employment attorney with Husch Blackwell, told Yahoo Finance.
As we reported when it was first published, a report out of Israel suggests that natural immunity could be many times more effective than the Pfizer vaccine at preventing infection with the delta variant. That study has yet to be peer-reviewed, however, and the world is anxiously awaiting the results.
However, another peer-reviewed study cited by the CDC looks at dozens of cases in the US where certain people who tested positive for COVID never ended up generating the antibodies, which, science dictates, are necessary to fend off future infection.
The CDC also published a study of 246 Kentucky residents, concluding that vaccination offers higher protection than a previous COVID infection. The CDC said the study went through a "rigorous multi-level clearance process" before submission, but now some are concerned it's slightly out of date since it pre-dates the rise of delta.
But as far as supporting natural vs. vaccinated immunity goes, this study is another big one: A C A June study by the Cleveland Clinic and Washington University tracked 52,238 Cleveland Clinic employees found that within 1,359 previously infected and unvaccinated people, none contracted a subsequent COVID-19 infection over the five-month study. The findings led authors to conclude that prior infection makes a person "unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination."
Then there's this:
In a smaller study conducted by Washington University School of Medicine and published in Nature, senior author Ali Ellebedy, PhD, an associate professor of medicine and of molecular microbiology, found antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of 15 of 19 study subjects 11 months after their first COVID-19 symptoms. "These cells will live and produce antibodies for the rest of people’s lives. That’s strong evidence for long-lasting immunity,” Ellebedy said.
The legal and scientific standards are intertwined here, but as more data develops that appears to validate the argument that natural immunity is at least as effective as vaccinated immunity, it's more likely that lawyers will succeed in convincing judges that the standard should be "immunity by any means."
Sadly, the reality should have been the other way round. Vaccine makers should have had to make the case.
They did, exactly this. AZT caused more deaths than HIV. None of this is new for Fauci
Fauci kept practicing until he got what he wanted.
Yeah, even last year Piglosi was saying they would never make vaccination mandatory and vaccine passports are unconstitutional. Its amazing how quickly people forget everything as long as they are made afraid.
The spike protein is genetically engineered into COVID-19 with HIV as the source virus.
Scientifically it should be the other way around, but we shouldn't be segregating based on antibodies either. Some people just don't get sick and don't read up on antibodies. Should they be punished for being healthy? We should not be segregating at all for any reason. To me this is just playing into their narrative.
Absolutely, there is no reason to segregate anyone, unless its a disease with like 20% mortality or something like that.
Yeah, these people are just buying into it, playing according to the opponent's rules.
This is so backwards!
That is my thought also
All fine and dandy...but then the argument will be "well you don't have the anti bodies, so you need the vax." This is a piece of the puzzle, but at the end of the day, we need the choice without any coercion, or threats of unemployment, etc.
Since I had the WuFlu in January 2020 it's highly unlikely that I'll still have any antibodies floating around. However, I have the T cells in my bone marrow, which will produce the required antibodies if/when required. (But try explaining that to an "expert".)
Another example of those in the right, cedeing ground.
How about no fucking vaccines period? This is a stupid stop-gap measure that does nothing to address the real problem.
Fauci and friends releasing biologically engineered weapons upon society is the root problem.
Myself, I welcome and apprecciate all efforts made that can educate the masses. It is not enough but all effort in the right direction is having a cummulative effect.
Natural immunity is decentralized..... Let's talk about your health.
They need to build a case why none of this shit matters. Shouldn't have to prove I was sick with right virus sometime to live a normal life.
One of the problems I can see ahead is the CDC recognizing the importance of natural immunity, but then saying it only lasts for 6 months or so after infection.
Aren’t there a bunch of adults in the world right now who never got the chicken pox vaccine/are “naturally immune” because they had chicken pox as kids?
Is there legal precedent there?
Well, I had everything, as a child, but I never had it twice.
They use mental gymnastics to say that chicken pox is not the same as COVID; yet on the same token will say that vaccine mandates are legal because we mandate other vaccines for other viruses, not applying the logic that COVID is not a virus that can be effectively vaccinated against.
Here! No chxn pix vaccine and had it when I was in 1st grade. No other outbreaks and no shingles either. Apparently my natural immunity still stands some 40+ years later.
I don't need a "waiver" from an unconstitutional power grab. I need the courts to side with freedom for ONCE when it doesn't involve homosexuals or women killing their unborn babies.
Let's just build a case for FREEDOM! I don't know and I don't care if I have Natural Immunity. I am not taking the VAX! I know 100% I will be fine!!!
My family too. If it comes down to it we will sell our home and vehicles and move back near our parents into a smaller home/RV with no payments or mortgage. We have drawn a line and won’t be financially coerced to take these vaccines. The Lord will provide.
The big problem with this for the Cabal is that natural immunity doesn't implant those spike proteins they're so fond of...
It's an upside down world. Our very existence is proof positive that are immune system has an uncanny record for survival.
What does the vaccine industry have in comparison to this? Funny how in immunology, academics teach that we know less than 1% of how our immune system works. And people are willing to inject an experimental DNA changing toxin in to their body.
It makes me say -- 'Hey vaxxers, leave our immune system alone.' I can hear Pink Floyd singing this.
I had noticed that, when they attack news about your Natural immune system, they state it as "that wont protect you from getting covid" .. that is NOT the point to begin with.. Yes you can catch it and get over it as well MOST DO.. (can catch with the fake vax as well) but, unlike the vax, once you have had it, THAT is when natural immunity kicks in and you do not have to worry about all the other shit that the vax does or may do, to your body in the long run.. sigh
Someone with covid, please cough on me!! I’d a million times rather fight this shit and gain immunity than get blood clots and a fucked up menstrual cycle and cower to tyranny!! Shit, I bet I already got it and soldiered through and didn’t even know what the F it was.
That's great,. But what will they use a proof? A previous positive test (which we all know are faulty), antibodies (which wane eventually and aren't even the Main source Immunity anyway). Ultimately there should be no mandates and each person should be able.to.decide without coercion of any kind. I'm sure we all had it last year but I refused testing as it was being weaponized against us and have never bothered to get antibody testing, which is likely moot at this point
Natural immunity is 13.04 times more effective than the clot shots.
And more importantly, natural immunity is durable, whereas any slight protection from the clot shot wears off after 5 months, leaving the victim more susceptible to infection for the rest of their life due to ADE.
Instead of singling out those with natural immunity and saying treat them as vaxed, why not just say it is un-Constitutional to require the vax whicj is still under EUA and not proven to be safe.
I have to disagree, natural immunity is not as good as vaccination.
It is far superior on every metric, don’t give an inch, the science is on our side. Natural immunity works, ivermectin and hcq works, the vax doesn’t work and makes you prone to other problems.
Our hospital system is merging with Spectrum...however their natural immunity stance does not apply to us...yet anyway.
We shouldn't discriminate based on medical history.
PERIOD.
If there is some dangerous disease out there, let people deal with it in their own way. But treating people like they have the plague doesn't work. It never did.
Makes zero sense to me why it wouldn't be even according to their rules. Then again not much makes sense about a lot of this.
It should be counted as superior to the vaccine...is their no logic in this world
Swell. In the meantime the vax is killing everyone. If you're alive at the end of this, happy you (unless they managed to kill your babies, in which case you'll never in this lifetime be happy again.)
Pass. Im not submitting to blood and bio tests in orderbto conduct myself peaceably, full stop, no compromise
Oh God PLEASE make it so. I’ve had the coof and never got it again. I’m immune to it.
“However, another peer-reviewed study cited by the CDC looks at dozens of cases in the US where certain people who tested positive for COVID never ended up generating the antibodies, which, science dictates, are necessary to fend off future infection.“
“Conclusion: Our report suggests that XLA patients might present with high risk to develop pneumonia after SARS-CoV-2 infection, but can recover from infection, suggesting that B-cell response might be important, but is not strictly required to overcome the disease. However, there is a need for larger observational studies to extend these conclusions to other patients with similar genetic immune defects.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32319118/
https://www.nature.com/articles/pr200575
I understand using the previously infected not getting exemptions as an example of the insanity of the vaxxholes, but the real argument that we have bodily autonomy. The idea of engineering the immune system, given our current knowledge, is a fool’s (or a devil’s) errand.
I'm hearing the pneumonia associated with Covid is actually caused by Remdesivir damaging the kidneys causing the body (including the lungs) to fill with fluids.
How about THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO FORCE A MEDICAL TREATMENT ON ME! as a reason?