Hubby is retired military (Go, Navy!), and neither one of us are getting the jab. The VA has sent him several letters and emails, encouraging him to get the vax. He talked to his PA about doing a blood test to check for antibodies since more and more doctors and medical professionals are saying natural immunity after contracting Covid is better than the vaccine. She told him the VA won't allow her to do it. When he asked why, she said they would rather he get the jab. Not much of an answer, I know, but her hands are essentially tied.
Fast forward a few weeks. Hubby went to a Fast Pace facility for a minor injury. The NP who works there lives in our neighborhood. They got to talking about Covid stuff, and he told her about the VA refusing to do an antibody test. She said, "I'll do it!'
Five days later, the results showed he still has antibodies from when we both had Covid last September. I decided to do the same, and my results were positive for antibodies as well.
I've been an RN for over 30 years. My understanding of most colds, flu, etc. is that you usually keep antibodies for that particular strain for 2-3 months, tops. The fact that ours are still in our systems for over a year makes me wonder if the theory about lifetime immunity to Covid may be true.
Has anyone else been tested for antibodies?
I know that scientists have shown that people who recovered from SARS back in 2003, still have antibodies 18 years later.
In an interview I heard Rand Paul say that people who had survived the Spanish Flu (1917 - 1918) as children were tested 8o years later and still had immunity.
Remember swine flu? It barely affected older folks, they determined the reason was due to a similar flu strain they had been exposed to…65 years prior.
My siblings and I got swine flu but my parents got nothing and this was 2009.
I wonder if I could find out if I had swine flu in 2008 or 09.... I was so sick one of those years. Ahh the good Ole days
Same here and I was living with them at the time!
I was 1 year out of the navy, 24 or 25 at the time.
Never in my life had I been so sick as with H1N1.My doctor called me daily and made me get a checkup every 3 days. It was 2 or 3 weeks of absolute hell.
People were getting sick left and right, so they started putting up hand sanitizer everywhere and Dr offices put in little displays that said "if you're experiencing cold or flu symptoms, put on a mask while in here"
Yep me too, I legit thought I was going to die when I had h1n1. But after a few days in bed on constant NyQuil I made it.
Wow!
That’s impressive. Any sauce?
Um, with chickenpox and measles the immunity is almost a lifetime. I say almost, because chickenpox can sometimes return as shingles in later life. However, the only reason we are exposed to coronaviruses multiple times in our lifetime is because there are so many variants. Anyway, I believe that in the case of THIS variant, you will be immune to it or a very long time, not just two or three months.
I had it right around New Years day. I would love to get tested for antibodies, but I don't trust the medical industry at all anymore, especially doctors. Any tips on strategies to get an honest antibody test?
Sign up directly on the LabCorp website. I made an appointment and got a test the next day, $10, no doctor order needed.
im in the same boat
My husband and I were looking into it too. You probably won’t have to go far to get tested. You can look up the nearest location to you. https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/individuals/antibody-test
I wonder why race and ethnicity is part of the questionnaire to get the test?
Could be you were re-exposed to the virus and your immune system whipped up a new batch of antibodies. The blueprint for these antibodies are kept in what are called "memory cells" so your body can make specific antibodies against Sars-cov-2 in no time at all if re exposed.
I’m hoping that’s the case with me. Had it back in December and recently had an antibody test, nothing showed up. I was bummed because I want to definitively end the argument with a lot of my friends, but as far as I know there’s no easy way to check for memory T cells.
It’s in your bone marrow now, so when your body encounters it again they fire up and the antibody soldiers attack.
As far as I know, neither one of us were re-exposed.
You would not have had any symptoms since you have immunity.
This.
Most people don't know they have it period though
In other words, the antibodies are kept under lock and key until they are needed.
While the media claims the mRNA shots are superior technology...
How do they know what covid antibodies are?
This supposed “virus” was never isolated.
Your body has an expansive but defined number of antibodies it can create. By looking for which ones became active in people who have survived the KungFlu, we know which antibodies to look for the confirm natural immunity.
Think of it this way. There are a limited number of ways the basic proteins that make up everything can be put together. Only a certain few of those will react with your body. Your body has immunity "patterns" planned and ready to go for those specifically. Every potential invader that could interact with you will either react to those antibodies or will be unable to harm you, no exceptions. When your body detects an invader, it "figures out" which antibodies it needs and copies them (sometimes several of them) in large quantities. This is immunity.
The vax (supposedly) sets off the antibody process for one of the proteins in SARS-COV-2. A real exposure will likely set off the process for all of the proteins in it. Variants tend to drop or mutate proteins around. This is why variants dodge the jab but not natural immunity.
I am not a doctor. I had this explained to me like I was 5. I hope I explained it well enough.
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This is also why only natural immunity is considered as valid for people to donate convalescent plasma for things like Regeneron.
This is also why traditional vaccines always contained full virions and were never mRNA before. Partial or Leaky immunity is not satisfactory to protect a population or generate herd immunity, especially if you vaccinate during a pandemic (which encourages variants).
Well said! Thank you.
You both are missing the big picture point, a point that has been talked about quite a bit here…
There is no way to distinguish Covid or any of the variants. You had something, obviously (some sort of flu), but there is no way to distinguish if you had the supposed SARS COV2 (whatever BS it’s name is) aka Covid-19.
You have antibodies to something. There’s no way to say with any certainty it is covid antibodies. It has never been isolated. The specific tests for covid are a sham.
I have read that this thing was never isolated. Soooo... what did they test us for?
These people are misunderstanding the results of some court filings.
You can literally get the virus from the CDC or something for laboratory reasons.
That's exactly the problem. If this virus is so prevalent and contagious, why can't it be isolated from any sick person? Why must everyone go through a single, approved source to obtain a sample?
Also, these samples you get, to my knowledge, are "in silico" samples, meaning there is no physical sample, you only receive a digital copy of what the CDC claims is the viral genome.
Why anyone would trust these samples and claim this is legit is beyond me.
Correct and there is no test. There was never covid until the Vax. they ran a test that can't find covid, not cancer, not syphilis, only flu and cold per the inventor. They ran them at 40ncycles that the cdc stated caused a 95 percent false positive and banned the test. The manufacturer says it will be 85 percent false positive so take your pick. Sick people had the flu exacerbated by bad treatment and mask. We were played to get us to take the Vax so the real covid could go to work. Somehow we have ivermectin and several other great drugs that we now know combat this stuff than God.
I got covid, my doc immediately starts telling me to get vaxxed in 3 months. I told her there is no way I am getting the jab. And the fact that she and the rest give no credit for natural immunity makes me even more solid in my stance. She tried to say natural immunity may las 3 6 9 months as if she knows. They all say the same thing, they are parrots for the cdc.
After 18 months I still have a huge amount of antibodies.
that is great to hear. My doctors only push against natural immunity was that she had a patient maybe 2 that had a 2nd covid infection. So even her statistics favor natural immunity, yet she still pushes the jab.
And what about the long-term efficacy of the jab? They're recommending booster shots after 6 months.
exactly, funny how that subject is never brought up by doctors pushing the jab. Further their claims that natural immunity runs out quickly is out of thin air, they have no evidence of this.
I also tried to redpill her about remvesidir and that it is killing patients. Her response was that all drugs have dangers.
My wife and I got a weird flu in late 2019. Or maybe January 2020. Can't remember. My wife was very badly sick but the doctor said it wasn't a flu. I wasn't so bad off. Some Nquill and I could sleep. Got better a few days later. But even when I was better, every muscle in my body ached like I had a strenuous workout.
Was it Covid? Maybe. I was tested for antibodies about a year and a half later. None. Haven't had a T-cell test. Am I immune? Maybe. Would be nice to know so I could get the vaxxers in my life to shut up a bit. Maybe. For a day. Or a minute.
I just wanted the relatives off my back.
As for government... well... let's have a drink sometime in the new independent republic of Texas. (I hope)
Hey there. I heard rumors Mexico is in some ways more free than the USA, as far as Covidstan is concerned.
I'm a California refugee myself. But no liberal. All I brought with me was a nostalgic loyalty to the Los Angeles Dodgers.
What will happen after AMLO? Who will be in charge?
I've very little knowledge of Mexican politics. Heck, I seem to know more about Canada, UK, Australia and Israel than our neighbor down south.
Same thing happened to me December 2019
My doc said 17 years minimum
I see what you did there. LOL
That’s solid! Kek!
Haha! No seriously that’s what he said, I wish I was that funny on purpose 😂
We’ll take it, regardless! 17 years it is!
Even after your antibodies are gone, the model of the virus is embedded in your T cells so your body will make new antibodies when when the virus enters you in the future.
Yeah this is a deliberate lie told by the scientific community to push for vaccines. They do some trickery based on which kind of antibody they are talking about.
The neutralising antibodies (the ones that kill the toxins) stick around for around 2-3 months and after that they slowly disappear. This is common sense - you dont want these antibodies of every infection sticking around forever.
However the memory-antibodies - the ones that remember what to do when that particular toxin is encountered, stick around for even 10-20 years later, inside your lymphocytes. These are not detected by the anti-body test, so they can falsely claim that there are no antibodies after 2 months.
In your case, you were both lucky since you probably had a reinfection recently causing the memory-antibodies to create neutralising antibodies, and hence showed up in the test. If not, you would have been deemed no antibodies, even though your bodies are fully protected against Covid (and all the other variants, since natural abtibodies are broad targeting)
Thank you for the info!
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After a viral infection, once your immune system has fought off the virus, it does in fact keep antibodies in your system for a short period after you no longer are experiencing symptoms...
but those eventually die off..
however, your immune system keeps the "genetic fingerprint" of that specific virus for decades..
You actually get infected with viruses that you've already been infected with and you don't ever get symptoms because your immune system immediately responds and manufacturers the correct antibodies to defeat the virus before it reaches a critical mass viral count.
My OH still has antibodies 19 months after having the wuflu.
Yes, I have. I got my blood work done during my annual physical and asked them to do an antibody test. I came back positive for antibodies in August and I had the coof almost a year ago so; 10 months post-coof. Never got tested either. Was a little out of sorts for three days and lost my taste and smell for a week. #pureblood
PCR test cannot differentiate influenza and covid. It is possible that PCR gave false positive, either by too high a cycle count ("asymptomatic") or detection of flu
Yeah that’s the mystery. However, are they vaccinated? I wonder if the vaccine damages the memory cells somehow or messes up the natural antibodies with its synthetic ones. Or triggers ADE.
FWIW you may have antibodies in your bloodstream for the rest of your lives.
Bloodstream for short term, bone marrow for life.
Not saying you will need it, OP but if you can get documentation/lab papers/whatever testifying that you have those antibodies, I think it will bode well for you. Prayers going up for you and your loved ones.
That was our purpose in having the tests done. And thank you for the prayers. The company I work for may require the jab in the future. I want to use natural immunity as a recourse.
Why would this one have lifetime immunity and the others you mentioned 2-3M?
That's what I would like to know!
Sars-cov-1 17 years...sars-cov-2 should be approx 17 years
I see what you did there. LOL
Did you have the nucleocapsid or spike protein test?
Not sure.
Europe here. Our whole family caught Covid in March 2020, when nobody knew a lot about it. Friends came back from a ski resort in Austria (which became later known as one of the hot spots) and infected us. It was a bad cold and after smell and taste were gone I knew that we had it.
We went for antibody testing in July 2021 and my antibodies are still huge (you have to have something above 29 and my number is 149). First I was relieved but later learned that antibodies do not count in my country (as in many others) as immunity, only the vaccine does. Thus we are perfectly healthy and not allowed to participate in society any longer.
Yes. I had an RN ask to test me because she believed the symptoms I had were ‘post-Covid’ even though my PCR tests kept coming back negative. She said I had BOTH antibodies (can’t exactly remember their names, maybe MCi and MCl?). She said that recent recoveries would exhibit both and that in time it would just be one of them.
I had it Dec of 19. I had surgery Match of 21 and still had antibodies.
I thought you kept antibodies for life? The only reason you can recatch things like the flu is because there are different variants than what you caught before.
Yes! We had it Dec 2020. Hubby’s annual check up he asked for the anti body test came back positive that’s close to 10 months later
I had it in March 2020. I still have antibodies.
So do I.
Thanks for the info. Went ahead and paid the $10 since I'm in the same.boat. The VA won't do shit about coof other than tell me to get the shot. The only thing I'm worries about is that LabCorp is located inside of a local hospital here that's been one of main hospitals spreading all the lies about the ICU units and producing fear videos and Facebook's feeds so not sure how much I trust these bastards considering I have to go inside a hospital to get the antibody test.
Wife had the COViD in Mar 20. She donated blood twice. Each donation was tested twice. She tested pos for 9 mo.
Hubby had wuflu Oct 2020, gives blood every month or so. Antibodies still going strong a year later.
CVS will do it for $38 out of pocket but it's a 15 minute quick test, and I've heard mixed things on it's accuracy.
I used to give blood to get tested, but they quit testing donations.
life time immunity or it is around you sooooooooo much that your body stays on the up and up
They are life long.
Note to all readers, get the test done yourself. Fuck your doctors or medical establishments.
Go to labcorp, buy your own test, get it done. Doctors and insurance companies don’t own your access to care, they own the payment method to your “care”. Don’t go to Quest or large hospitals! Labcorp.
The more I read about people giving up on tests and at-home treatments because a doctor, hospital or insurance company won’t approve it the more I become worried for the well-meaning sheep.
Our company president had it back in December 2020 and was tested for the antibodies about a month ago. Still has them.
It would be very interesting to know how many unvacx'd people have ever caught covid a 2nd time, vs. how many people who had caught covid once, then got vacxd, then caught it again post vacx. Also I have to wonder about the natural antibodies formed pre-vacx, and how those antibodies were affected in the bodies if those who chose to still take the vacx.