I'm in a debate with a friend over the safeness of animal-labeled ivermectin vs. human-labeled ivermectin. They're not debating whether or not the ivermectin itself is safe, but they are pointing to a multitude of resources about whether or not "horse ivermectin" is safe for humans. They are swearing up and down that horse paste will harm humans, cause cancer, give people bad side-effects from improper and dangerous components added to it, and more. There's simply no way to get human-labeled ivermectin in our area and animal (horse) paste variety is still available. I know three families that have given it to their kids and aged family and everyone is doing GREAT after a full round of horse paste.
I can't find any evidence that the horse paste variety has anything bad in it. I understand people might have an aversion to it, but I would like to convince this person that it is safe. They have some family that is very much at risk and it seems like they are going to default to doctors and bad treatments if they can't find a "human option".
Any kind of documentation for ingredients or anything that demonstrates the safety of animal varieties would be really helpful.
They give this medicine to million+ dollar race horses. Let that sink in a moment.
The only difference it the acceptable level of contaminants. If you are concerned about contaminants, you should never drink milk ever again lol. (worked at a milk plant)
The chemical composition of ivermectin has not changed in the decades since they discovered it. Fear mongering has gotten to your friend. I opened my fathers eyes when I started taking it in front of him to beat my illness. He assumed I was going to drop dead LOL
NO. You have to do your own research. People will not produce this information because any source could be used for lawfare enforcement by the eFF-Bee-eYe. Start by reading the ingredients on the label. Then calculate the ratio for human use. People will recommend the brand names to use, but I highly doubt your question is going to be answered.
So if you're researching something you're not aloud to ask other people about it or what they've found? If someone's already done the work, use it. Then it's your job to verify.
That's not what I'm saying. The reason I said NO was because one is not going to find a source coming from a physician or a veterinarian to put info 'out there'. One is going to have to read the ingredients of the brand to determine its safety for themselves. Several people here can help you in this direction, but as far as sourced information, I doubt you'll find it. The FDA says 'horse paste bad'. So it's 'bad'. The truth is some brands have a 100% same ingredients, but for different weights. And according to people posting here, it works just fine for these people.
Unfortunately, it seems search engines have scrubbed the first few pages of information on this subject. Yes, I've tried using several engines aside from google. I'm asking for help here in case someone has run into something I'm not able to locate.
Also, why do we even have a flair called "Research Wanted" if everyone is just expected to "do your own research"?
This question has been posted here on GAW with several people's own experiences using it. The reason I said NO was because one is not going to find a source coming from a physician or a veterinarian to put info 'out there'. One is going to have to read the ingredients of the brand to determine its safety for themselves. Several people can help you in this direction, but as far as sourced information, I doubt you'll find it. The FDA says 'horse paste bad'. So it's 'bad'. The truth is some brands have a 100% same ingredients, but for different weights.
I took a whole tube in five doses over five days. I'm fine and actually feel a lot more energetic.
How about: most of us took it and none of us died? Also, it's the exact same med, just in a tasty apple-favored paste instead of a non-yummy pill.
Liar. It is neither tasty nor apple flavored 😂
The flavor is more “Vaseline that drove past an apple orchard during shipping” LOL
got horse paste from a friend.
friend got horse paste because COVID at home.
friend and his wife both had COVID, and both took horse paste.
he took horse paste in larger dose, and for longer period of time, and he get less-ill, and recovered faster than his wife, who took a smaller dose for shorter time.
i waited for a weekend, and then "prophylactically" took a dose big enough for a 250lb horse, and didn't notice much except for a few random twitchs, which, according to the box, sometimes happens with certain parasites,
i put the horse paste away, and just waited to see who might need it.
a few weeks later, my wife starts getting sick, and says her co-worker tested positive for COVID.
wife doesn't want to get tested for COVID, but is willing to try this horse paste that i just happened to have, after binge-watching Rumble videos on Ivermectin and being reasonably assured that its OK to take horse paste.
i think the one major "problem" with horse paste, is that its made with a petroleum jelly type substance, so it might be like eating a toothpaste-sized dose of vaseline.
i wrapped my horse paste in a piece of bread, and just ate it, but i could still taste it, but it didn't taste terrible
since wife was showing symptoms, we decided if we were gonna go for it, that we should start at the tip of her tongue, and work our way down, so that the ivermectin was absorbed locally, in the mouth, and throat area, before going thru the digestive tract.
she continued to side down-hill into sickness, and the next day she was sick in bed, but then the next day she was up and OK.
but the kicker is, that wife's co-worker got COVID from her husband, who had JUST got the "booster shot", and had fallen ill soon thereafter. then the co-worker fell ill, and she KNEW it was because her husband had just got the booster.
so, co-worker was fully vaccinated, but had not gotten her booster yet.
co-workers husband was also fully vaccinated, and had just gotten his booster.
booster'ed husband sheds COVID viruses on his wife, and she gets sick,even though she's vaccinated.
my wife, who is not vaccinated, gets COVID from her co-worker, who is vaccinated.
my wife recovers relatively faster than her co-worker, and i never show symptoms of COVID, even though i have probably been heavily exposed by co-sleeping etc.
the box itself is kind of comical, in the lengths they go to, to warn you off of taking it
DANGER: NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION
WARNING: NOT FOR HORSES INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION
i went on Rumble, to look for ivermectin stories, and it was flooded with time-wasting bullshit,
such as a testimonial that appears to be real, but 5 minutes later it's obviously a spoof,
i suspect that these bullshit videos were "sponsored" by the COVID people, to forum slide good ivermectin posts into oblivion.
If its good enough for a champion thoroughbred then its good enough for him. Its more about dosage size.
I trust a vet more than my doctor.
It’s the same ingredient delivered in a petroleum jelly vs a pill form.
Why would it matter?
in my wife's case, the petroleum jelly was able to coat the entire inside surface of the mouth, tongue, throat etc, and possibly have some local effect there,
whereas when i took it, i wrapped it in a piece of bread, (or if it was in pill form), it could have bypassed some important areas.
https://greatawakening.win/p/13zzHjFDOx/ivermectin-tier-list-and-guide/c/
Found this on Wikipedia of all places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin
"Ivermectin is a medication used to treat parasite infestations.[6][7] In humans, these include head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.[6][8][9][10] In veterinary medicine, the medication is used to prevent and treat heartworm and acariasis, among other indications.[9] Ivermectin works through many mechanisms of action that result in the death of the targeted parasites;[6] it can be taken by mouth or applied to the skin for external infestations.[6][11] The drug belongs to the avermectin family of medications.[6]
Ivermectin was discovered in 1975 and came into medical use in 1981;[12][13] William Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura won the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for its discovery and applications.[14] The medication is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines,[15] and is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as an antiparasitic agent.[16] In 2018, ivermectin was the 420th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than one hundred thousand prescriptions.[17] It is available as a generic medicine.[18][19]"
"Following its blockbuster success as a veterinary antiparasitic, another Merck scientist, Mohamed Aziz, collaborated with the World Health Organization to test the safety and efficacy of ivermectin against onchocerciasis in humans.[71] They found it to be highly safe and effective,[72"
"Ivermectin earned the title of "wonder drug" for the treatment of nematodes and arthropod parasites.[73] Ivermectin has been used safely by hundreds of millions of people to treat river blindness and lymphatic filariasis.[7]"
Here is one study from the Wikipedia site:
"Ivermectin – Old Drug, New Tricks?" Trends Parasitol. 2017 Jun; 33(6): 463–472.
If you scroll down to the bottom of the Wikipedia page you will find a wealth of empirical studies
Horse version below:
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=1fd56c44-11ee-4d47-acad-4da867376eee
For Oral Use in Horses Only
IVERMECTIN (ivermectin paste) 1.87%
Anthelmentic & Boticide
Removes worms and bots with a single dose
Net Wt. 0.21 oz (6.08) Contents will treat up to 1250 lb body weight
Approved by FDA under # 200-326
Apple Flavored
You can get people ivermectin. Indiamart.com Tuli Enterprises. Or ziverdokitstore.com. or pushhealth.com is US based.
Expect to spend $250 to $450.
Friends have all taken the horse paste. It worked.
use duckduckgo for your own research. Look up Ivermectin advertisements and seek out the old ones.
Enter "paste" in the search option on this site. Read back a few months. The testimonies are there.
I think you have to check the active ingredients in the different brands, i seem to remember some had additional ingredients when I was looking a few months ago.
But if you or your friend is doubtful, just order the real thing from one of many online Indian pharmacies. After the way the price horse paste has gone up, it is probably cheaper to get the real thing.
What is safe for a horse to eat but harmful for a human to eat?
I'm pretty sure that I can eat whatever horses eat and not die.
If it's good enough for a million dollar thoroughbred running in the Kentucky Derby, then it's good enough for my poor lazy fat ass!
Get the dose right and enjoy getting better.
I'd only give my horses paste where IVM was the only active ingredient. You could research the inactive ingredients individually to see if its the right paste for your horse.
Not all animal labeled ivermectin is safe for humans. The version formulated for dogs is NOT safe for humans, or so I’ve read. I’ve read many accounts that several different horse formulations of IVM are safe for humans but I’ve never tried it. I didn’t pay $300 to get human IVM from a drop shipper in India, but if I did I wouldn’t admit it.
Oh, but they trust the rona “vaxx” no questions asked? You’re not going to find and “data” because they don’t test animal medications for human safety. Tell them that for most of the “elites and powerful”, horses are more valuable than people.
Got info about the animal form in my post: https://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=4410
100% ivermectin horse paste is 100% ivermectin. The main difference is dosage. There are other products with extra ingredients but that's not typically what people are buying.
They don't make "100% ivermectin horse paste"
If they did, you could kill a horse by giving a couple milligrams more than prescribed by weight if you weren't careful.
Instead, the available formula for horses (& most mammals who will consume it in paste form) is 1.87%
IV for humans is different, because we will easily take a pill thats flavor does not concern us
You're right, I should have specified that I was referring to the "active ingredients".
The paste is 1.87% ivermectin, and the rest is just a gel filler to suspend the drug.
I bought a tube off Amazon. Gonna try it out this weekend. You might have to do the same to prove it.
Academic article discussing the human use of veterinary liquid ivermectin in a clinical setting, sourced from the Clinical Infectious Disease Journal:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/41/1/e5/325904
Ingredients of 1% injectable ivermectin, sourced from a cattlewoman:
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/09/01/q-in-the-ivermectin-1-livestock-injectable-solution-that-we-take-orally-by-drinking-it-at-1-milliliter-per-110-pounds-of-body-weight-what-is-the-other-99-a-59-propylene-glycol-40-glycerol-formal/
AllDayChemist-100 ivermectin tablets and 60 Azithromycin (z-pak) tablets=$240.00. You can purchase smaller amounts. Shipping takes about 4 weeks from start to finish.
You can give him my testimony! I took the horse paste numerous times in 2013 & 2014 for a stomach issue. Had no problems with it. And then...
In Sept 2020 I came across a report from an Australian doctor who had been using Ivermectin against CV-19 with success. Then in Oct 2020 I read another doctor's report from India. Then in Dec 2020, I watched Dr. Kory's Senate hearing touting its benefits. I didn't want to bother going to the doctor to get an Rx, so I went ahead and decided to go with the equine version as the dosage for humans is identical.
In late Dec 2020, I purchased online about a 6-month supply of the horse paste, and the 5 vitamin regimen for each of my immediate family members - two kids in their late 20's, my spouse and me. I doled it out in early January and commanded everyone to take it.
The dose in the horse paste is identical in strength as what Dr. Pierre Kory tells us the dose for humans is. In my family, we all have been taking it by body weight with no ill effects.
Since then, we've gotten 4 of my son's friends on the weekly dosage for prevention and even an MD who is friends of the family decided to join us and put himself, spouse and 3 adult kids on the weekly dosage.
The MD has recently switched to the pill form because he can get that now more easily than the paste. He is now writing prescriptions for his patients who ask for it.
For the record I have 30 new boxes of Ivermectin paste in my stash to tide my family over and a year's supply of the vitamin regimen to protect us from the viral shedders and the next pathogen Gates and Fauci release onto us.
Just get the pure Ivermectin paste without secondary medicine mixed in and you'll be fine.
I tried the durvet myself. Both as a prophylactic (I was hoping to see some crazy shit, literally, but alas nothing out of the ordinary) and when I felt sick about a month later. I had zero side effects, and started feeling better almost immediately. That being said, I’ve already had covid so it might have just been a 24 hour bug
Black seed oil…. Very much the same I believe
you would have to eat like 50 tubes (in a hurry) of the 1200lb version to reach toxic levels for humans
The best argument I've heard against it is that the carrier formula is meant for animals, and thus not safe for human consumption.
However, a call to Durvet revealed that the carrier formula is corn oil based, so I don't think it's a problem.
The biggest thing is the stigma of taking "drugs meant for animals". Kind of like peer pressure in High School.
Additionally, I took the horse paste and suffered no noticeable effects other than a less loose stool (sorry for TMI)
I do suspect most adult humans host parasites, and I wonder why we deworm our animals but not ourselves.