Josh Duggar found guilty in child pornography trial. Another one down!
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Sicko. This makes me wonder.... was the Duggar House rife with abuse under the guise of "One Big Happy Family?"
I always wonder when one goes down how many more are in their circle…
This is what happens when you push sexuality on children. Instead of drag queen story hour, the Duggars made the kids neurotic over modesty, impure thoughts, and yelled Nike so the boys would look at a woman's feet of she was immodest.
This one was accused of messing with his sisters and they did some kind of counseling. Yeck.
Sounds a lot like the Catholic Church.
The “catholic church” is not accepting of child abuse. Habe you ever heard of the concept of a false flag?
Step one: infiltrate
step two: commit abuses under the name of those whom you seek to discredit
step three: people are deceived and post comments like yours
There are multiple examples of systemic abuse within the church. Multiple examples of Pope Frances helping to cover it up.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/explosive-letter-claims-pope-francis-helped-cover-cardinal-mccarick-sex-n903936
Widespread abuse within the Catholic Church has gone on for centuries. All you need to do is search. From Ireland to Boston to LA, idk how many examples you need.
Try this one. Over 100 credibly accused monks at one abbey that serves a university, prep school (which, incidentally Peter Strozk was a student) https://www.newspapers.com/clip/21862753/peter-strzok-ii-at-st-johns-prepst/
Behind the Pine Curtain http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/thelist/
https://www.scsaorg.org/the_catholic_church_and_the_art_of_the_coverup
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection
https://news.yahoo.com/vatican-knew-pennsylvania-sex-abuse-cover-prosecutor-says-214718782.html
Ever see The Keepers?
Check out Bishop Accountability https://www.bishop-accountability.org/
https://www.snapnetwork.org/
I know A LOT about sexual abuse and the Catholic Church. Please don’t say I’m deceived. I could go on all day about this.
Lastly, Talk to Jeff Anderson, St Paul MN attorney about this. https://www.andersonadvocates.com/news-events/
https://www.andersonadvocates.com/overview/
Please, talk to the survivors if you have any doubts about the coverup.
I know that, dude. The problem is that you blame the apple for what the worm has done.
Many religions victimize children. The Duggars are members of the Institute for Basic Life Principles. It is described by many as a cult.
Yep, Catholic is a big one.
Aren't they part of the quiverfull movement?
So I’ve been trying to find out and getting various responses online. Yes, it seems like they follow that way of life but they’ve stated themselves they are not in the quiverfull movement.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/is-the-duggar-family-part-of-the-quiverfull-religion.html/
Sorry I’m so tired. I’ll dig more tomorrow.
The majority of the members of the Roman Catholic Church, or as the Church calls them, the laity, did not support the abuse.
But the leadership, from the parish level to diocese level and all the way to the top, actively covered up the abuse. Not only did the leadership cover it up and not turn the offending priests and bishops over to the police, they also moved the priests to new locations and pretended the abuse never happened. They were complicit.
No, only some did, not the majority.
The ones who did are obviously complicit, including the pope. But the only parish priests who helped in the cover up were the ones who were part of the abuse. There are hundreds of thousands of priests, and about 1% of them are actively involved in covering up and performing these abominable acts.
Now do baptists, anglicans, assemblies of God, lutherans, episcopalians etc
you will find similar stats
I've read about cases against Christians of other denominations and I've never seen one case where the churches moved the offending pastors around the country so they could abuse again.
The closest thing I was able to find was this-
Convicted Pedophile Episcopal Priest to Host Spiritual Retreats with Presiding Bishop's Blessing
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2008/05_06/2008_05_14_Virtue_ConvictedPedophile.htm
I've never claimed children aren't also sexually abused at Protestant schools or Protestant churches (or public schools or government day care centers, for that matter).
Here's the difference.
This Alabama pastor was a serial child rapist; victim shocked at 15-year sentence
https://www.al.com/news/2015/11/alabama_pastor_child_sex_abuse.html
See that part about providing great support? That's the difference.
The Roman Catholic priests, bishops, archbishops, and cardinals do not cooperate in secular investigations unless they're absolutely forced to.
That’s not true. The ones that don’t cooperate are complicit.
What's not true? The Vatican ordered dioceses to keep the abuse under wraps and to not report it to the local authorities, and there's a paper trail that proves it.
Why do you think Pope Benedict really resigned?
https://archive.md/EhYrg
The Roman Catholic Church, as an organization, has harbored pedophiles and moved them around the world to shield them from prosecution.
The Protestant churches in the United States, by and large, do not do that.
The Alabama pastor in the article I linked to got away with his abuse for years because he groomed his victims. He was a sick individual and should have swung from a rope instead of being sentenced for 15 years and likely getting out in 3-5 years for "good behavior," but that's an entirely different issue.
Once the abuse accusations were made, the local church turned him directly over to the justice system. They didn't shield him from the authorities and send him from Alabama to Georgia so he could start the cycle of abuse all over again.
That's the difference, and Snap Network has the receipts of what the Roman Catholic Church has done.
https://www.snapnetwork.org/united_states
If you deny it, you're either willfully ignorant or a pedo defender.
Oh really? Then how is it that so many leaders in the Catholic church, just like many leaders in the Mormon church were caught several years back sexually abusing children and with child porn? Can you explain that one?
I already did. It’s called sin. Infiltration. Evil.
Until the catholic church teaches that pedophilia is acceptable, you cannot say it is the Church that is guilty. What about the reason you know about these things - the people in the same church who have shed light on them such as Abp. Vigano?
Yes, it’s evil. No, it is not catholicism that is evil. It’s a false flag because Catholicism is the single largest christian organization with apostolic succession so it is easiest to make God look bad. Look at Lutherans, Episcopals, Anglicans, Baptists. You will find equally high rates of pedophilia.
There may be, yet there are some odd things about it
And yet you named yourself after the biggest cause of the so-called infiltration.
Quixotic is a reference to Don Quixote, who is also a reference to Ignatius Loyola, a Crypto Jew and Alumbrado (Spanish for "Illuminated one") and founder of the Jesuits.
And you think that I did that on purpose? Wonderful. So that is what this conversation has turned into: a code analysis of my username? Wow. So depth. Much see.
You're a Catholic apologist so you may have chosen that name subconsciously.
Quit defending the organization that has trafficked, tortured, and killed more humans than any other organization in the history of the world, perhaps?
There are certainly good Catholics just like there are good Mormons. But I'm sorry if you dig into the history of Catholicism it is rotten to the core. The entire hierarchy isn't even rooted in biblical principles.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. The apostles set up the hierarchical structure of the church, and you’ve got the cause and effect mixed up: new testament biblical principles are rooted in the liturgy. The new testament was created and written by the apostles for the most part between about 20-70 years after the death of christ. For twenty years after Chryst ascended, the mass was celebrated with very little change from how it is celebrated now. Protestants, however, drink grape juice (which was not even invented until the 19th century by a fellow named Welch).
Show me where I can find any evidence of the apostles setting up the hierarchical structure of the church. This is pure Catholic fantasy just like "Peter was the first pope". The very notion of a pope defies the teachings of Christ.
Catholicism is an abomination of the Romans used as a power structure to control. The Vatican has been rooted in evil since it's inception.
Why we need to tell people to not give money to a PAC or a party. Skip people like him and donate directly to the candidates.
All he needed to do is get a job with the fed government
Now do the rest of that family.
To all those spewing negative comments, have any of you ever watched even one episode of the show? Do you know anything about this family? By all accounts, including mine, this was a genuine, Christian family who had the talent to raise a large family. Has this oldest been a screw up? Yup. Do we know why? Nope. Are the other kids wonderful, functional kids and adults? It would appear so. Parents don't get to choose their kids and control every behavior. We do the best we can, and some have problems and they don't turn out well. This ridiculous speculation and pontificating is just so ... ridiculous.
Alright, buckle up for this.
You do realize that he molested Jill, Jessa, Jinger and Joy when he was 15 right? Joy was digitally raped by him when she was five years old. When that came out...it was found that the sheriff kind of swept it under the rug because they had him go to a religious reformation camp.
Does that mean that him seeking spiritual reformation is wrong, no. It does speak to the parents likely not seeking the proper care for all children, including Josh, involved.
In addition, the IBLP founded by Bill Gothard showed which they follow(ed) shows that Gothard may have perpetuated grooming of young girls.
Religion is equally wonderful and dangerous. Every man (or woman) needs to ensure that every religious leader they follow is acting in a way that meets with the Bible. Just because someone is religious doesn't mean that their moral compass is correct. For me, my Grandmother professing to be a great Christian woman, that was very well respected and involved in our congregation, that had a lot of hate in her heart pushed me away from religion for a long time. I finally did a lot of soul searching and realized that just because someone professes to be something and acts the complete opposite doesn't mean the whole religion is wrong...but it should call into question the congregation and I should look elsewhere.
The Duggars very well may have started with the best of intentions, but the company they have kept or followed has been problematic.
At the end of the day, everyone involved in the Duggar case are in need of support and prayers.
I feel that a religious upbringing needs to be tempered with teaching the children that their bodies are theirs, to create a space in which a victim (typically women) aren't sinful if they incite lust in a man. Please don't confuse me stating that with that women can do whatever and men have to keep themselves in check. There has got to be a middle ground in teaching modesty/respect for yourself without the burden of the lust that happens in teenage years and the curiously that comes with it in a way that still enforces the beliefs you interpet from the bible with a healthy way to understand that sexuality is a thing. Controlling my last and sexual acts is on me and me alone. It isn't for everyone else around me to be responsible for it. When that isn't done, than it isn't impossible to think that a child/teenager tries to figure things out on their own.
What I am getting at is please look further than the surface on this. Just because they are religious doesn't mean it is a religious persecution. I do not necessarily think that everything is wrong with the Duggar's, but I also think there is a lot going on under what they want you to see that may surprise us.
I like your post, very balanced. I grew up in a church that used the IBLP method. I was too old to be homeschooled thru it. There are a lot of problems with it. I couldn't watch the show because it brought too much back.
There was grooming going on and it came from the top, Bill Gothard himself. They set the organization to look holy and Biblical but there were many flaws that were hidden.
What is really great is that we all get to raise our own children with the best intentions and knowledge that we can muster. Parenting is the hardest job I ever had and I made many mistakes and I have many regrets. Hindsight is 20/20. I don't condemn this family because they are not perfect...I will just leave it to the Lord to judge their souls and to the courts to judge their crimes. I don't rejoice at the pain and sorrow that this family has gone through. I just wish there would be justice for all the crimes and criminals that we have been hearing about for so many years.
I agree with you, to a point.
When the good ole boy system swept the initial part under the rug, where was the justice system then? It failed thr victims, and ultimately Josh. Is it possible that intervention, in addition. To the religious, may have kept the future actions from happening? We will never know.
I can speculate that a lack of balance in rearing their children could quite possibly lead to the initial molestation. It could also be said that Josh, himself, may have been molested at some point as well.
My problem stems that after the molestation, it appears, instead of doing some course correcting and adjusting...the dug in further. Brothers couldn't have younger siblings sit on their laps. The boys then couldn't change diapers. Then on top of that, three of the four eldest girls (that were molested) than were put in charge of their sibling teams and were put in charge of rearing young children, while still children...that were molested. Those choices do not look good.
Before everything came out, I was a bit..uh, taken aback by the older children parenting the younger children....but then realizing that was their responsibility, after being molested....and then giving scripted interviews on Fox to protect the image.
You're absolute right, God will judge them. Although, we do a major disservice if we ignore facts because they continued to make choices that were selfish in nature and not based on their family. We would be lying to ourselves if we didn't realize that they made themselves a lot more secular/mainstream. Then trying to be a ministry of Jesus, using their wonderful family, without actually caring for their family.
More than enough sadness for all involved. I just know so many families destroyed by alcoholism, drug abuse, infidelity, pornography, abuse, divorce, neglect...etc. satan is definitely working overtime. I am sure they wish they had done things differently.
And yes, I have watched every single episode, from the original specials, to when they were picked up...to when TLC wanted Josh off and it went to Counting On.
He molested his sisters and another girl. The parents knew and did nothing. Please don’t make excuses for this man or his horrible parents.
So sad no matter what the story is. God is in the business of redeeming lives from the pit, so I pray God will deliver him from the darkness. Only God can make a new creation in Christ.
Do you know how scripted reality shows are?
The real question is "Are the parents condemning their son publicly?"
I checked their website.
Statement from Jim Bob and Michelle
by Duggar Family | Dec 9, 2021
A statement regarding Joshua Duggar’s guilty verdict
https://www.duggarfamily.com/2021/12/statement-from-jim-bob-and-michelle/
Archived link - https://archive.md/ErzNO
The use of the term CSAM seems to be an effort to minimize the severity of what their son did.
CSAM = Child Sexual Abuse Material (for those who have to look it up like I did.)
If Joshua was my son, I'd be lucky if I wasn't in jail after taking matters into my own hands, that I can tell you.
Thank you for the first rational comment in this long list of stone throwing negative comments by people who have never once fallen or sinned. I enjoyed watching this family as they grew and shared their lives. Were they perfect...obviously not...but who among us is???????? These attacks just remind me of Jesus challenging the Pharisees to throw the first stone at the prostitute if they were sinless. The family were home schoolers and the Institute for Basic Life Principles has a very good reputation among homeschoolers. It's very easy to attack people that live differently than the average person but this family has chosen to live differently because of their firmly held religious beliefs. If out of 19 kids only one has fallen so far, I still think they did a good job raising their families. They did a lot of things right. But from the looks of it everyone making these comments are perfect with perfect families. I am sorry but THAT doesn't exist for "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God".
It's different to fall sometimes and sin, which is essentially perpetual in Christianity, but sexually abusing minors and your sisters is not just someone lost in their way or falling victim to sin as we all do most every day. It's on a whole other level, and the family dynamic in that family is very off and weird.
I am sorry but I didn't read in the Bible that there were levels of sin. Sin is missing the mark which is why we are ALL sinners compared to God's holy righteousness. So Josh's sins are not on a whole other level...it is equivalent to the sin that we all commit every day. Sin is sin whether it is perpetual, just once, heinous or just a white lie. I certainly do not condone the things he has done but it is nothing unforgivable...it is the blood of Jesus that allows the unrighteous to be made righteous for all people for all time. This is a tragedy for sure for everyone involved and I am sure there are a lot of regrets that the parents have.
Are you and others on this board forgiving for Eparein, Maxwell, Clinton, etc? That they just need to ask forgiveness amd they will enter and be worthy of heaven? You believe that lying to you friend is the same level of sin as sexually abusing your sister for years? Perhaps theologically there's an argument to be made that all sin is equal, but I really don't believe that's the case.
God extends His forgiveness equally. Are there people that need to be held accountable for crimes...absolutely. But earthly justice and eternal justice are two different things and God is the perfect judge.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believeth on Him shall not perish but have eternal life". I think that makes it pretty clear. I know it doesn't seem right that really evil people are judged the same as really good people but since we are all lost (sinners) we can NEVER be righteous on our own accord. I can only claim righteousness through the shed blood of Jesus who paid the penalty for my (and everyone else's) sin. The standard is the righteousness of God and the Bible tells us "there is none righteous, no not one". The love of God is pretty amazing...amazing grace.
Been way too long
THIS is why we donate to the candidates!! NOT to the supper pacs or parties. This guy ran a PAC of lies obviously.
oh, barf
Hypocrite is the Greek word for actor. You know, the ones that wore masks. Duggar has been stripped of his mask. Yay.
Closing arguments began the morning of December 8 and the verdict was reached on December 9 after just under seven hours of deliberation.
Only thing I am surprised about here is that he was not able to bribe his way out of it or find a corrupt court. The whole holier than thou / religious virtue signaling thing is a big red flag of covering something up. Time to take his balls
And the leftists on twitter are all screaming about the republicans that were pictured with this eejit over the years while ignoring the Clinton/Epstein links.
His dad is trying to run for office, no thanks sicko
His dad was a state rep in Arkansas before they got famous. They've been active awhile.
That’s why we can’t trust these PAC’s. They are ran by bad actors. They collect money, give themselves a cut, then give money to candidates. We must donate to the party not the campaign. I wonder how much money was used to buy laptops and dvds for pornography? Who knows how deep this went into his PAC. My guess is at least half the people are in on it.