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Fine by me…
Honestly, being recorded "on the clock" continuously (teacher or not) is something I'm against. LEO's, sure, for obvious reasons? But I'm heavily against the Surveillance State.
My opinion is if they’re Public School teachers should be recorded, as LEO’s are…both groups are paid by taxpayer. Private Schools, as long as they’re paid by parents they get privacy. ALL Gov’t employees need accountability esp at this point. IMO.
Agreed! I’m not in favor of “the surveillance state” for any private citizen but if my tax money is paying for it there should be total transparency as to what my kid is being taught and what “deals” our representatives are making. 🤷🏼♀️
I have to agree. They have, for whatever reason, turned out to be a cesspool of corrupt, treasonous, lying, thieving, murderous psychopaths. Certainly anyone making decisions or conducting business on the public’s behalf must be monitored constantly and anything and everything they do be public. I just wish we could come up with a better system where a few are never in a position of power or control over the majority.
At work, I used to get a bit of flack for growing my own food, and talking about ensuring your pantry and supplies are well stocked and organised. It was satisfying to watch those morons freak out about empty shelves and no toilet paper. They actually said to me in 2019 "When are the supermarkets EVER empty?". Then queue 2020...
I agree.
children will often not tell what abuse goes on. being picked out at an early age and frequently made an example of since third grade probably started me on a snowball that ended at the bottom of the hill very angry and not trusting anyone. I had no one I could complain to. I'd like to think if something like this was around back then maybe another parent would have objected... at any rate, not everyone has a wonderful life in public school full of enrichment and childhood glee, not everyone has a nuclear family with supportive parents.
if we video all police officers because of a very few bad eggs, why not monitor all teachers because of a very few bad eggs?
The reality is most kids don't have that bullshit either. The ones who have a great HS experience are the ones who are rich and popular.
But the concept of school itself is wrong anyway and needs overhaul
My family is not rich and my son is far from popular but is having a fantastic high school experience thus far because he puts in the effort in not only his homework but to participate in extracurricular activities, volunteer, and, participate in opportunities that have led to no only good paying gigs but also have opened his eyes to career opportunities he had not considered previously.
Totally against the Surveillance State. All for surveilling the State. I want accountability in exchange for 25% of my income
LEOs are only recorded while interacting with the public to investigate a crime. Otherwise the body cam is off. Teachers only need to record their lectures.
As others have mentioned, the last thing we need is a surveillance state. Privacy still matters.
Congress already gets recorded for everything they do on the floor of the chamber. Make a speech, motion to do anything in a committee, ask a question, or cast a vote? It's all recorded. That's public record.
If you think putting a camera in their office will stop the lobbyists from making crooked deals, this is just naive and stupid. They meet at a bar somewhere to hash that out. They'll find a way to deal without the camera watching. So, let's not invade people's privacy when it won't actually solve the problem anyway. If you want to go after the lobbying, do so in the way that it matters. You look at their finances for the money or gifts. Keep in mind there are already extensive laws about all of this and an entire ethics subcommittee to deal with these things.
As a retired teacher, I'm on the fence about this. Agree, no one wants their children recorded. In honesty, there have been days when I was on my last nerve with a kid and may have been curt, but think how people can "read" anything into what they see/hear at times. Just wondering how many parents would want a camera in their office/cubicle and be recorded their entire day.
if they put cameras in the classrooms eventually they will do it with public and private employees.
A slippery slope to accepting big brother is all it is. Soon it will be cameras and mics in the homes 24/7 because its for the "safety of the children".
If you dont feel your kids are safe in the schools, or anywhere else, without a camera or mic on, then dont send them to that location.
Coercion has made a lot of “critical thinkers” leave certain areas of the work force. Think police; medical etc.
I agree and disagree.
If my based friend, doesn’t feel like he can teach true history via his history class by being on some social credit system then I don’t want it.
But at the same time I can see the argument too. This is a tough one.
didn't see her complaining the last two years when every single child needed a camera and mic in their home
Great point..
Perfect ☝🏼
I am more on Mic up politicans and Record everything they do
If I had to choose..yeah.
You guys probably don't have kids then. the school owns them for the majority of the day, brainwashing them to hate you and our country, and you wouldn't want the safeguard of transparency?
How do you think they'll be voting when they turn 18?
"I care more about my kids because I can afford to send them to private school" is about the most solipsistic argument I've heard in a long time. Kudos.
If you're doing the work of the people, the people should watch you work.
Yes
Yes. Make sure nobody gets away with corruption
I like how her defense is "You want transparency and accountability? Oh yeah? Well.. you first!" Like it's some terrible thing and not a virtue.
Your terms are acceptable
[chad gamer meme] your terms are acceptable.
Kek
If you think it's a good idea to teach the younger generation that constant surveillance is normal please delete your account.
How else can I monitor what some of these liberal scumbags are teaching my kid? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they had cameras installed so that parents could monitor their kids' teachers.
I do have one caveat ... access to the live feeds should only be accessible to parents with kids in the classroom.
I don't care how you play pretend. Just tell yourself you're doing a good job and do nothing, it'd have the same effect.
If you cared about your kid they wouldn't be in the care of liberal scumbags for 8 hours a day 5 days a week 9 months of the year.
And if you domt have time to raise your kids why do you think you'll have time to watch someone else do it and critique them?
Put a camera on those clowns and public schools will go back to what they were before the liberals and their worthless Dept of Education fucked everything up. Liberals only get away with things because they use stealth and 'death by 1000 cuts' kinds of tactics. Shine a light on the cockroaches and they'll scatter.
Fortunately, my son's school is not a public, liberal cesspool. That could change when he hits high school, but a lot can happen between now and then.
What makes you think I don't have time to raise my kids? I want him to attend a school with other kids ... and not for that bullshit "learning to socialize" nonsense liberals claim is important. I live in a pretty rural area and there aren't any other kids around for him to play with ... he has a blast meeting up with his friends there and is doing well.
If things were to change and his current school started dicking around with the curriculum, I'd yank him out of there in a heartbeat ... but many conservative parents send their kids to this school for the exact same reasons I send him there. If they hit high school age and public schools are still liberal cesspools, maybe we will homeschool each other's kids based on our strengths (I'd take care of science and math w/o hesitation).
Not everyone can afford private schools though. I want to see everyone have a shot at a solid education w/o liberal bullshit piled on top of this horrible curriculum liberals devised (i.e. the "you must go to college or you will die" mantra has fucked up millions of lives in my opinion). If people could see first hand what a waste of time public schools are using cameras in the classroom, we'd have a lot more ammo to get that shit removed ASAP.
Would you want a security system for your home? Obviously.
Would you want a security system for your child's fragile mind while in the hands of woke communists? I sure hope so.
Not everyone can afford private schooling or homeschooling.
My home security system is not surveillance based.
I don't put my kid in the hands of woke communists.
And if you do then you are a sack of shit and don't deserve to play pretend safety with cameras.
Dumbest fucking idea ever.
You ignored my point, not every parent has the ability financially to put their child in a private school. It's tens of thousands of dollars.
And you completely missed my other point. Whether your home security system is surveillance based or not doesn't matter, the point is that you have one. It makes sense to have that for a child's mind among "woke communists."
Well I finally got a reply out of you without a derogatory personal attack, so I feel we're making some kind of progress.
If I understand correctly, your assertion is it's simply a budgeting matter and every family should be able to afford tens of thousands of dollars per year to send their kids to private school AND/OR have a breadwinner who makes enough so that the spouse can stay home.
Real median household income for individuals in 2019 was $35k. Is that enough to support a spouse and kids? Especially now with inflation raising prices on all the essentials like gas and food?
So why isn't the husband in jail?
I am sorry, but when you shared this on a public forum, I assumed you wanted this to be everyone's business. I wasn't eavesdropping on a private conversation.
No problem. No pies, and I appreciate the explanation. I do need lots of reliable advice in winding my way through the esoteric language of the interwebs. Thank you
We mainly need audio, right? Keep the camera pointed towards the front of the classroom with the kids out of sight. If that's a problem, just the audio would work.
One big reason public schools are a puddle of piss is that the public isn't allowed to see the schools in action. Teachers are reviewed by staff, and those reviews are not public. I'm sure the staff makes sure all of the reviews are acceptable.
Maybe teach your child to come to you when presented with things that are questionable. If you are having daily conversations with your child, frequent conversations with their teachers, keeping in touch with your child's classmate's parents, etc, and staying active with attending school board meetings, it can be fairly easy to know what your child is being taught and what else is going on in the school without bowing to 24/7 big brother being introduced into your child's life as the norm.
I agree with blurryface this is exactly how you get future generations to accept literally 1984 with cameras, and microphones in their homes recording everything they do at all times.
IT doesn't matter how good the intentions were when they started recording kids, the road to hell is paved with the best intentions.
The difference between the 1984 scenario and this, is it's about public schools. SCOTUS has long ago ruled there is no expectation of privacy in a public setting.
A public classroom is not exactly a public setting. I don't even know how you can equate these 2 things. As if a public school means anyone can just walk in because it's "Public" No teacher from public school should have any expectation of complete privacy of what they teach the students, I don't know what makes you think they ever did. Sure some leftist run schools are getting away with it, but they are breaking the rules. Everything they teach should be known, and communicated to any parent who asks.
If you want all students to be recorded, video, and audio at all times then you should just home school your kids, because that's ridiculous. IMO you'll create students who are conditioned to accept all forms of surveillance and authoritarianism.
The idea was to have a camera in the classrooms, so parents could view what was being taught in school..if you don't realize that there are cameras everywhere in public, then maybe look a bit harder..
What's the proper term for righteously destroying authoritarian public constructs such as speed cameras?
I feel like I came up with the perfect term at one point.. guerrilla something.. or was it urban.. righteous.. activism.. conscious disobedience.. I can't for the lfie of me remember.
I do think shouting "FREEDOM CHECK!" before doing these activities would have to be mandatory
Completley agree...
The difference between you and I is I haven't accepted it and you're egging it on.
Hahaha..if you only knew.
That you're a troll encouraging this bullshit?
Anyone who pushes this is either doing it intentionally or completely braindead.
You are 100% correct.
Wow ..name calling..good..good..for someone that hasn't posted ONE thing here and seems to only slide thread if anything....1) I am not in favor for a "surveillance state" at all..however there are cameras everywhere now..your time to stop that has long gone 2) my tax dollars and children's future are important..both of these ideas for cameras are in PUBLIC places 3)no one is trying to film you in the shower..but yeah NOW get pissed now at the 2 places where we need accountability...
Yawn..
What a perfectly awful thing to say to anyone, let alone to someone you don't know.
I just read 5 pages of your comments. I am very sorry for you and for whatever happened to you that pushes you tell someone to perform a difficult sexual act, which is, btw, something a Godly person wouldn't say. In one post you spoke of children who were rude and disrespectful and thus you should not send your kids into the world. In another you claimed you looked in a mirror every day and saw yourself and you admonished men to make their wives do home schooling, which tells me you believe in slavery. You don't debate or discuss. You say truly disgusting, perverted things to other people. Get help.
I'm in IT and there is no presumption of privacy in any work task.
You seem passionate but naive or not entirely informed. I don't mean that derogatorily.
Every kid has a smart phone. Those record their conversations 24/7, store all visual data even when the camera is not in use, track their every movement, sell it to 3rd parties or even foreign governments in the case of TikTok, and build / maintain a profile specifically to target them psychologically to nudge them into the client's desired action.
Many schools already have cameras in certain areas to dissuade crime and theft. This is just an extension into the classroom where the danger is mental (and sometimes physical) abuse.
Correction, the majority of children own smart phones. My point stands.
Besides, if YOU own a smart phone, or anyone else that your child spends time with, their conversations etc are still being logged.
Agree
This can be a two edged sword. Liberals will scream and heckle conservative teachers too. In small town USA, These cameras will make teachers lives a nightmare. I have seen parents sticking up for their disruptive kids time and time again. Instead of joining the teacher in a unified effort to get little Jimmy to stop disrupting the class constantly. Too bad we can't just have segregated schools again. Progressive and Conservative. Public Funded so poor people ( and rich, we all pay taxes ) who want their kids taught right have an option. It is almost the only sane solution left.
I’m thinking right now anyway the only Conservative schooling to be had is Homeschooling.
I agree! However, the problem is that whatever kids are being taught in school, we will reap as a society down the road whether they’re our kids or not. Heck, we are already reaping the negative aspects of the left taking over the universities b/c now those graduates are the public school teachers. These “kids” will grow up to be our neighbors, town representatives, police officers, congressmen, professors, etc., you get my point. 😬 I just hope we all realize now that we have to care and get involved at a local level whether we think we have “skin in the game” or not. It matters what’s being taught in our neighborhood schools. IMHO 🤷🏼♀️☺️
So mandate surveillance of public sector employees. I don’t see the problem if tax $ ends up paying their wages. And you’re correct, we have a problem we can SEE 👀
Cameras in the classroom will prove that little Jimmy is disruptive regardless of what Jimmy's parents say.
The curriculum should be published and available to the parents. In detail. And tracked.
Why not both?
YEEEEESSSSS!!!!!
This is like the Democrat who tried to own us by suggesting legally mandated paternal responsibility starting at conception. They really don't understand us at all.
Exactly
That's fine but let's just note that one is adults and one is teaching children and spending time with them. I'm more worried about what children are being taught than by what lobbyists or politicians are being taught.
Reps, Dems, congress and senate should be under constant surveillance, absolutely. Chip them while you're at it
A bit authoritarian, but I agree there has been so much "fuckery" afoot, that We the People need transparency!!
Your terms are acceptable.
Agreed
Agree. Let the elected representatives in congress wear body cams!
Retired teacher here. Not every school is bad and lots of good teachers exist. I can't fathom the stupidity of schools in big cities where liberalism prevails. I taught in a locally controlled, sweet rural school. On Sunday, the public school teachers taught Sunday School. We are in school and we were only out from Spring Break until School ended in May. We started back and did not miss a day last year for Covid. We did not have a virtual option after the first six weeks of school. Everyone went to school. Please do not hate all teachers or the good ones, like me, will all leave.
Yes. Please.
1 bad teacher spoils all of them. Cameras until the union is dismantled and these bad teachers can be fired on the dpot
Your terms are acceptable
Good luck getting any politicians..but I believe we should have more insight on what goes on "behind the scenes"...more transparency....$$ wise and payoffs etc.
Ditto
Teacher here, I mic up anytime. Parents could also gain value from my lessons.
I just want a live stream of Pelosi's trades
In a public setting there is no expectation of privacy... All public schools have cameras everywhere... The privacy issue is moot... If you want privacy, never leave your house...
Believe it or not, but NO, not all public schools have cameras. And privacy issue is not moot just because you think we should just accept the fact that they have tried to place us under constant surveillance
If you're afraid of being recorded, stay in your home... Expectation of privacy in a public setting does not exist... Nothing you say will change that... Peace to you... I never said I agree with it so don't put words in my mouth... Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it untrue... Better you should check your facts before saying anything... The courts have ruled that in a public setting there is no expectation of privacy... Again, peace to you...
tHe CoUrTs HaVe RuLeD
Oh, you mean the same ones that let pedos, rapists, and murderers free?
It has nothing to do with "afraid of being recorded". It has to do with there is no reason to record anyone 24/7. You obviously agree with it and are more than fine with it since you already advocate for "no expectation of privacy" without a backbone.
Insults don't get you anywhere with me... If you want to insult then let's go... Your pathethic bullshit does not in any way affect my opinion of the fact that the liberal teachers indoctrinating our kids into socialism need to be recorded at all times... Go back to you cesspool of pathetic libtards and suck on a giant dick... While you're at it, chocke on it to... You pathetic piece of gutter filth... Yes sit there and preach to me about pedos yet you're the one trying to protect them from being recorded... What a piece of shit hypocrite you are...
yawn
You're still a hypocrite piece of gutter filth... Teachers should be recorded while in the classroom... You defending g against it makes you either one of them or a childless idiot that doesn't have a child in public education. Either way, you're dead wrong...
Oh and do me a favor while you're at it... Shove your down votes straight up your clacker... I don't care about up votes or down votes, only about the truth... Toodle pip motherfucker...
Ty
I don't know what I did to be thanked, but you're welcome... Cheers fren... ☕☕☕
Someone in comments was saying I was an authoritarian and should delete my acct..your post only backed exactly what i was trying to convey..ty cheers
Truth is truth... I learned about expectation of privacy watching videos on cop watchers... People who go out and video cops to keep them in check... Glad I could help...
:)
People need to go back and re-learn logic. These two are NOT the same.
Teachers are being asked to record their lessons to the students. This is literally what they're paid to do. The quality of their work is measured by listening to their lectures and watching their class room management. Further, if a child misses class for illness or whatever, a recording would allow them to keep up remotely. We don't record their conversations with fellow faculty in the teacher's lounge or in staff meetings with the principal. We don't record their time during planning periods, nor when they're grading papers or when they're relieving themselves in the toilet. Those things have an element of privacy.
Congressmen are paid to make laws. The parallel here is to record their speeches on the floor of the Congress, their motions, their votes, etc. And we do this meticulously. Congressmen listen to stake holders from many angles on any of their issues. Anything that affects a business is going to prompt someone to try and go persuade the guy not to make laws that screw over his business. We don't record the Congressman while he's in the elevator catching a 30-second pitch from a student activist. Why? Because it's not official business, and you should be entitled to some time to yourself to think and plan or to have confidential conversations that are sometimes necessary in any profession.
I'm not saying this because I think lobbying is fine as is. The base concept is how representative government should work. People should interact with their Congress critters to push their interests. Every time you fire off an angry email to your representative or call your senator's office, you're lobbying. The issue is the financial rewards and quid pro quos, and that needs a different solution than body cams.
YES HOW DO WE MAKE THIS MANDATORY??
Cops have to record themselves.
Muy bien.