Thanks! I listened to Truckin Boozo and then his son Steve Sommers American Trucking Network on 700 WLW for decades! with all their cast of characters. For some reason WLW took ATN off and replaced it with some lame talk show.
They're regulated and monitored by NSA, and have been since NSA's inception. FCC monitors all bands and freqs, too.
Won't go into details but I will say that I've been contacted a few different times by both agencies while on the CB bands. And the Ham freqs, too. They can/will fine you, confiscate your equipment, and/or jail you for "violations" and/or noncompliance.
Musk doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither does anyone else who says CB bands and freqs aren't monitored.
Also, both agencies are able to track your position (thru tower triangulation) if you're moving, and can shut you down whenever they want. Just because it doesn't happen often enough for it to be in the "news," doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Back in the old days, there were thousands of people who monitored those freqs. Now, it's all done by super computers and algorithms. And once [they] find you, [they] start a trace in all recordings for your voice print. [they] analyze it, and can traingulate where you were (relative position based on CB tower positions) at the time which enables [them] to track your positions while you were active.
I suspect this is a shill/troll attempt to confuse the situation and make people relax on the fact that our world's govts track every damn thing we say or do.
The government and media can't stop me from having a CB radio. They also can't confiscate what they can't find. "Tower triangulation" is a new one on me. CB radios don't use towers like cellphones do. With ham radio, you can hit repeaters, but they use different frequencies, so you aren't hitting but one at a time, thus no triangulation using them. If you sit in one spot and transmit crap long enough, they can send out vehicles with directional antennas to find you. Radio people used to do that on their own years ago, and they would have an "antenna cutting party."
Musk was pointing out the fact that anyone can get a CB and operate it without a license. Also that the media has nothing to do with it. You're not going to get a media person cutting in trying to brainwash you.
You seem to be somewhat in the know. What's the law/enforcement landscape look like for sending digital signals via CB?
I ask, because I've had this idea in my head of setting up a decentralized internet alternative via inexpensive(read: used) wifi routers, but the problem is covering long distances as these kind of routers don't really have that kind of range.
I'm wondering if it would be possible to convert the signals to something that would show up as noise on Citizen Band to transmit the signal farther...
I don't know about that. I suppose it's possible, and quick bursts might be hard to trace. Perhaps switching channels or using different channels each way would work.
I do know that packet radio is used on ham radio for digital content.
In the past, people have considered ad hoc networks using wifi. You'd be surprised at the range of wifi using directional antennas, such as old Directv dishes or even an ancient 10 foot satellite dish. Search the internet and you can find plans for making a cheap "cantenna" from a tin can. Here's just one: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Cantenna
My concern is if something like this is to be a viable alternative to the internet, it needs to overcome distance problems for a number of reasons, including initial low-user adoption, but also, as it (theoretically) grows, geographic barriers such as oceans or other uninhabited or minimally inhabited areas.
Dont get me wrong, I don't want to abandon the current internet, but much like with dot win, having a lifeboat of sorts would be a good idea, especially if certain fascistic elements within governments get their way...
Most people here in the US rarely communicate with anything outside the US on the internet. Almost every single website I use is here. Everyone I know is here. So communications across oceans don't have to be constant.
For the US to contact Europe via wifi networks, you merely need some satellite dish wifi relays across Alaska to Russia and then across Russia to Europe. If that's what it came down to, it could be made to happen.
Also, even if the internet as it exists is taken down, the undersea cables will still be there. All that is needed is to secure access to the cable landing points.
It would be a big job, so we might bring the internet back up on our own terms more quickly than starting a whole new system, other than for local areas.
Communicate maybe, but there are a lot of other services and sites in foreign countries it'd be a shame to lose... (coughpiecoughcoughratcoughbeicoughcoughcough)
Besides while we certainly need to focus on ourselves first, if we can help foreignbros along the way, so much the better...
even if the internet as it exists is taken down, the undersea cables will still be there
I'm less worried about the internet getting shut down and more worried about it becoming the hugbox the left so desperately wants everything to be, honestly...
If the SHTF, I'd hardly be worried about some foreign website being gone. I'd have more pressing needs. I have enough computer files of various types to keep me occupied for decades.
Older modems used telephone lines, sometimes they also used dedicated lines from one location to another (ie: from a college in Chicago to one in Detroit), but in theory if you got along with your neighbors, you could set up an intranet that way. You need to do some research on the tech, though.
What I'm thinking is you have an old router, so you put a special custom firmware on it and set up a webserver on it and share it to your neighbors. one of them sees it, likes it, so they set up an old router and a server and spread the signal further, while also adding new content to the network.
That would essentially be an intranet, with no access to the internet, the world wide web. I mean the idea of a decentralized internet sounds fantastic to me, but how would you actually connect to it?
I'm thinking wifi would be the easiest way. you can find cheap routers at thrift stores these days that will take custom firmware. there's plenty of free server solutions you could slap on a used computer (linux basically is a server OS, but there's also apache webserver, and I think even Whinedohs has server options built in at this point).
What I'm envisioning is a peer-to-peer network built (at least at first) on existing protocols and hardware to create a decentralized architecture. The advantages that come to mind would be that it would be harder to take down and it would only cost an initial investment to get setup (no monthly service fees).
The downsides would be everybody would have to maintain their own hardware and some people might end up getting bogged down if they were in a primary route over long distances, not to mention the issue of covering long distances of people who aren't yet on the network/geographic barriers like large bodies of water, etc.
Most of this is theoretical of course. More robust protocols and some sort of block-chain-like transfer protocol might be needed to glue all the pieces together...
How would you be able to access new information, instead of what's currently on the intranet? We need to figure out how to access it, then offer free access. We don't really know what Starlink is for, but if something can be built with that concept with the end goal of being free internet, then it's something that should be pursued, with all the bitching from telecom companies falling on deaf ears.
How would you be able to access new information, instead of what's currently on the intranet?
People would add information over time, the same way they did with the early internet, except now we'd be a step ahead in terms of what services to offer.
Eventually, as with the internet itself, major brands would have to adopt the new network or fall behind competitors, much like they did with the og internet. The big difference being that with no major hubs to bottleneck bandwidth, it would be harder for a few big players to control the whole thing
you can also modify a regular router with custom firmware that allows it to act as a repeater, but what happens if you have a gap between users? (oceans come to mind, although what if you have a gap from city A to cityB with no users in between?) wifi has somewhat limited range, so you need some way to bridge those gaps effectively if you want to avoid dependence on big buisiness/government infrastructure.
Setting up mesh networks is one of the newer things going on. Also really configuring guest SSiD to do extra stuff ( share files / act as hangouts / etc )
Yeah, me too. And if your driving around broadcasting anything that could be considered controversial and... carrying your cell phone along you're also a retard. Your phone could be triangulated as far back as 1G.
Your cell phone has GPS, and they can see anything on your phone they want to. I do not carry a tracking device on me. I don't want to be tracked, and I don't want to be on-call 24/7.
"Also, both agencies are able to track your position (thru tower triangulation) if you're moving, and can shut you down whenever they want. Just because it doesn't happen often enough for it to be in the "news," doesn't mean it doesn't happen."
CB radio works like a walkie-talkie. It is CB transmitter/receiver to CB transmitter/receiver. No towers are used. You are referring to cell phones. Why then would Nellie Ohr use a ham radio to communicate with Christopher Steele if your scenario is so lock-tight controlled and monitored?
Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license (May 23rd 2016); a communication tool that would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal risk of communication intercepts.
Keeping in mind, both Bruce and Nellie Ohr's subject matter skill-set within the DOJ would provide them with a comprehensive understanding of how to network and communicate with international actors outside the traditional risk of communication intercepts. In short, Mrs. Nelli Ohr would know that using HAM radio frequencies would be a way to avoid the risk of U.S. intelligence intercepts on her communications.
It seems you've spewed quite a bit of misinformation.
Won't go into details but I will say that I've been contacted a few different times by both agencies while on the CB bands.
No, do go into details otherwise LARP.
Were you on a base station holding your key down for 20 minutes like a retard and pissing off hams and they fox-hunted you or in a vehicle driving? If in a vehicle and "tower triangulated" how did they know it was you? Commercial companies still use CB too. Also, when did cell towers become monitors for non-cell frequencies? Did someone come knock on your door with log? Or, did someone break into your transmission and say they were NSA/FCC?
Who’s to say they couldn’t speak in code? If pedos can use pizza to speak their intentions, then truckers can use their own code to do the same.
My question is, can CB radio be shut down using some type of scrambling device, or to broadcast interference, etc.? Seems like something the deep state would do.
CB radios can be easily jammed like most bands and they are still regulated by the government. Elon always says the most basic of things, often get the impression that he isn't very smart.
Jammed? Too hard and too many. That's why most modern equipment "must receive interference, including that which causes undesired operation", or aka a "kill" signal, effectively smoking that new radio. Old ones are tanks and will keep talking. And, Elon doesn't seem to have any trouble paying the bills...
You don't need a license to operate a CB radio. There is very little effective regulation. You're not supposed to curse on CB, but I've heard plenty with no repercussions on the offenders. You're not supposed to use a linear amplifier, but I've heard long distance comms on CB in the past.
The government might like to control it, but they don't have control of CBs now.
Everyone should have a CB radio and perhaps a ham radio as well.
Radio jamming is very localized. So is CB for the most part. The FCC does not have enough resources to jam the whole country, and this is not something they do.
It is possible to triangulate and find a transmitter. And give you as ticket if you are breaking the rules for CB transmissions (running an amplifier, interfering with another CB transmission (jamming), bleeding over onto other frequencies, coded messages, indecent language, advertising a political candidate, some other things).
You never hear about truckers getting caught running amplifiers and many run them. And the penalties consist of fines and being barred from using CB for a period of time.
CB radios are regulated by the government??? The FCC can fine you for having a too powerful radio but that's about it... At least that's the way it was back in the day... Yes they can jam radio frequencies to shut you down, but regulated??? I seriously doubt it...
25+ years ago before cell phones, my friends and I would play Hide & Seek with the CB's in our cars. We had people barge in on our conversations, threaten us, chase us and talk over us with their high wattage base units.
Several strongly worded letters to the regional FCC office went unanswered.
I remember in the 70's and up through the mid 80's EVERYONE had a CB in the car, time to get back to the good old day's of communication. We used to play CB tag in cars (I'm sure some of you did the same), Someone would hide in town and everyone would try and find him by using the meter on the radio. Watch it get stronger as you get closer and he was allowed to move up to 6 times LOL! Winner got a bottle of booze he had to hand over if caught. .
Hams do something similar called "radio direction finding" - using a handheld VHF radio and a directional antenna to find a low-power transmitter. Very fun.
GMRS radios too, very cheap. It’s also easy to get your ham license. Cheap (all Chinese made) radios do work but most in the know stick with quality Japanese made radios.
Agreed - the Technician license exam isn't that difficult, and there is a bunch of resources out there to help you. I recommend hamstudy.org and the ARRL Ham Radio License Manual (available in Amazon or the ARRL's web shop).
I like Kenwood's VHF/UHF rigs, and Icom for HF. The Baofengs are good for what they are, though - a cheap way to get started.
breaker breaker one nine
This here's the rubber duck.
must be a convoy
This here's Teddy Bear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zoTLwrm9QE
Oh and of course the Convoy song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqYTX7parRw
People keep forgetting this song. Eastbound and Down
https://youtu.be/jAG4XXCOj48
Thanks! I listened to Truckin Boozo and then his son Steve Sommers American Trucking Network on 700 WLW for decades! with all their cast of characters. For some reason WLW took ATN off and replaced it with some lame talk show.
You're welcome it's the kind of country I grew up listening to. I think we had it all on eight tracks and old record albums
Big Rig Rollin' Man was a classic song-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU7xQZBWZ8w
E B & D is awesome.
Bring back some Crrs in pop in hole top cans.
Anything by Red Simpson. Trucker anthems all.
Looks like we’ve got ourselves a convoy!
Any chartreuse micro busses?
I wish I could remember important things....
They're regulated and monitored by NSA, and have been since NSA's inception. FCC monitors all bands and freqs, too.
Won't go into details but I will say that I've been contacted a few different times by both agencies while on the CB bands. And the Ham freqs, too. They can/will fine you, confiscate your equipment, and/or jail you for "violations" and/or noncompliance.
Musk doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither does anyone else who says CB bands and freqs aren't monitored.
Also, both agencies are able to track your position (thru tower triangulation) if you're moving, and can shut you down whenever they want. Just because it doesn't happen often enough for it to be in the "news," doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Back in the old days, there were thousands of people who monitored those freqs. Now, it's all done by super computers and algorithms. And once [they] find you, [they] start a trace in all recordings for your voice print. [they] analyze it, and can traingulate where you were (relative position based on CB tower positions) at the time which enables [them] to track your positions while you were active.
I suspect this is a shill/troll attempt to confuse the situation and make people relax on the fact that our world's govts track every damn thing we say or do.
The government and media can't stop me from having a CB radio. They also can't confiscate what they can't find. "Tower triangulation" is a new one on me. CB radios don't use towers like cellphones do. With ham radio, you can hit repeaters, but they use different frequencies, so you aren't hitting but one at a time, thus no triangulation using them. If you sit in one spot and transmit crap long enough, they can send out vehicles with directional antennas to find you. Radio people used to do that on their own years ago, and they would have an "antenna cutting party."
Musk was pointing out the fact that anyone can get a CB and operate it without a license. Also that the media has nothing to do with it. You're not going to get a media person cutting in trying to brainwash you.
I never did any of that, but I know people who did.
It’s a lot of fun teaching kids things for basic SIGINT.
NATO can be done in an evening pretty well.
You seem to be somewhat in the know. What's the law/enforcement landscape look like for sending digital signals via CB?
I ask, because I've had this idea in my head of setting up a decentralized internet alternative via inexpensive(read: used) wifi routers, but the problem is covering long distances as these kind of routers don't really have that kind of range.
I'm wondering if it would be possible to convert the signals to something that would show up as noise on Citizen Band to transmit the signal farther...
WRT meshnet
wonder if they could be repurposed to work on CB bands without spamming the bandwidth... I'd hate to kill a frequency for other people...
I don't know about that. I suppose it's possible, and quick bursts might be hard to trace. Perhaps switching channels or using different channels each way would work.
I do know that packet radio is used on ham radio for digital content.
In the past, people have considered ad hoc networks using wifi. You'd be surprised at the range of wifi using directional antennas, such as old Directv dishes or even an ancient 10 foot satellite dish. Search the internet and you can find plans for making a cheap "cantenna" from a tin can. Here's just one: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Cantenna
lol, I've used similar before.
My concern is if something like this is to be a viable alternative to the internet, it needs to overcome distance problems for a number of reasons, including initial low-user adoption, but also, as it (theoretically) grows, geographic barriers such as oceans or other uninhabited or minimally inhabited areas.
Dont get me wrong, I don't want to abandon the current internet, but much like with dot win, having a lifeboat of sorts would be a good idea, especially if certain fascistic elements within governments get their way...
Most people here in the US rarely communicate with anything outside the US on the internet. Almost every single website I use is here. Everyone I know is here. So communications across oceans don't have to be constant.
For the US to contact Europe via wifi networks, you merely need some satellite dish wifi relays across Alaska to Russia and then across Russia to Europe. If that's what it came down to, it could be made to happen.
Also, even if the internet as it exists is taken down, the undersea cables will still be there. All that is needed is to secure access to the cable landing points.
It would be a big job, so we might bring the internet back up on our own terms more quickly than starting a whole new system, other than for local areas.
Communicate maybe, but there are a lot of other services and sites in foreign countries it'd be a shame to lose... (coughpiecoughcoughratcoughbeicoughcoughcough)
Besides while we certainly need to focus on ourselves first, if we can help foreignbros along the way, so much the better...
I'm less worried about the internet getting shut down and more worried about it becoming the hugbox the left so desperately wants everything to be, honestly...
If the SHTF, I'd hardly be worried about some foreign website being gone. I'd have more pressing needs. I have enough computer files of various types to keep me occupied for decades.
Interesting idea! Could you use old-school modems for something like that? Didn't they use bings and bongs to transmit data via analog lines?
Older modems used telephone lines, sometimes they also used dedicated lines from one location to another (ie: from a college in Chicago to one in Detroit), but in theory if you got along with your neighbors, you could set up an intranet that way. You need to do some research on the tech, though.
What I'm thinking is you have an old router, so you put a special custom firmware on it and set up a webserver on it and share it to your neighbors. one of them sees it, likes it, so they set up an old router and a server and spread the signal further, while also adding new content to the network.
That would essentially be an intranet, with no access to the internet, the world wide web. I mean the idea of a decentralized internet sounds fantastic to me, but how would you actually connect to it?
I'm thinking wifi would be the easiest way. you can find cheap routers at thrift stores these days that will take custom firmware. there's plenty of free server solutions you could slap on a used computer (linux basically is a server OS, but there's also apache webserver, and I think even Whinedohs has server options built in at this point).
What I'm envisioning is a peer-to-peer network built (at least at first) on existing protocols and hardware to create a decentralized architecture. The advantages that come to mind would be that it would be harder to take down and it would only cost an initial investment to get setup (no monthly service fees).
The downsides would be everybody would have to maintain their own hardware and some people might end up getting bogged down if they were in a primary route over long distances, not to mention the issue of covering long distances of people who aren't yet on the network/geographic barriers like large bodies of water, etc.
Most of this is theoretical of course. More robust protocols and some sort of block-chain-like transfer protocol might be needed to glue all the pieces together...
How would you be able to access new information, instead of what's currently on the intranet? We need to figure out how to access it, then offer free access. We don't really know what Starlink is for, but if something can be built with that concept with the end goal of being free internet, then it's something that should be pursued, with all the bitching from telecom companies falling on deaf ears.
People would add information over time, the same way they did with the early internet, except now we'd be a step ahead in terms of what services to offer.
Eventually, as with the internet itself, major brands would have to adopt the new network or fall behind competitors, much like they did with the og internet. The big difference being that with no major hubs to bottleneck bandwidth, it would be harder for a few big players to control the whole thing
Problem is, those big players have the infrastructure for server farms to hold all that data.
Lookup Repeaters.
They’re all over.
you can also modify a regular router with custom firmware that allows it to act as a repeater, but what happens if you have a gap between users? (oceans come to mind, although what if you have a gap from city A to cityB with no users in between?) wifi has somewhat limited range, so you need some way to bridge those gaps effectively if you want to avoid dependence on big buisiness/government infrastructure.
Checkout some of the features of Tomato / Merlin / DD-WRT
https://dd-wrt.com/
Setting up mesh networks is one of the newer things going on. Also really configuring guest SSiD to do extra stuff ( share files / act as hangouts / etc )
Clearly I've been out of the loop too long lol.
Thanks, ill have to look into it
Yeah, me too. And if your driving around broadcasting anything that could be considered controversial and... carrying your cell phone along you're also a retard. Your phone could be triangulated as far back as 1G.
Your cell phone has GPS, and they can see anything on your phone they want to. I do not carry a tracking device on me. I don't want to be tracked, and I don't want to be on-call 24/7.
Not exactly news though, started in 2005 with the "Block II" satellites just for smartphones.
CB radio works like a walkie-talkie. It is CB transmitter/receiver to CB transmitter/receiver. No towers are used. You are referring to cell phones. Why then would Nellie Ohr use a ham radio to communicate with Christopher Steele if your scenario is so lock-tight controlled and monitored?
Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license (May 23rd 2016); a communication tool that would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal risk of communication intercepts.
Keeping in mind, both Bruce and Nellie Ohr's subject matter skill-set within the DOJ would provide them with a comprehensive understanding of how to network and communicate with international actors outside the traditional risk of communication intercepts. In short, Mrs. Nelli Ohr would know that using HAM radio frequencies would be a way to avoid the risk of U.S. intelligence intercepts on her communications.
It seems you've spewed quite a bit of misinformation.
All this!
Further, If Ohr used ham packet radio as well and robust secondary encryption like a one time pad it would be tough to crack.
No, do go into details otherwise LARP.
Were you on a base station holding your key down for 20 minutes like a retard and pissing off hams and they fox-hunted you or in a vehicle driving? If in a vehicle and "tower triangulated" how did they know it was you? Commercial companies still use CB too. Also, when did cell towers become monitors for non-cell frequencies? Did someone come knock on your door with log? Or, did someone break into your transmission and say they were NSA/FCC?
Who’s to say they couldn’t speak in code? If pedos can use pizza to speak their intentions, then truckers can use their own code to do the same.
My question is, can CB radio be shut down using some type of scrambling device, or to broadcast interference, etc.? Seems like something the deep state would do.
Depends if they have panties on lol
Now that's a spin.
CB radios can be easily jammed like most bands and they are still regulated by the government. Elon always says the most basic of things, often get the impression that he isn't very smart.
Jammed? Too hard and too many. That's why most modern equipment "must receive interference, including that which causes undesired operation", or aka a "kill" signal, effectively smoking that new radio. Old ones are tanks and will keep talking. And, Elon doesn't seem to have any trouble paying the bills...
You don't need a license to operate a CB radio. There is very little effective regulation. You're not supposed to curse on CB, but I've heard plenty with no repercussions on the offenders. You're not supposed to use a linear amplifier, but I've heard long distance comms on CB in the past.
The government might like to control it, but they don't have control of CBs now.
Everyone should have a CB radio and perhaps a ham radio as well.
Radio jamming is very localized. So is CB for the most part. The FCC does not have enough resources to jam the whole country, and this is not something they do.
It is possible to triangulate and find a transmitter. And give you as ticket if you are breaking the rules for CB transmissions (running an amplifier, interfering with another CB transmission (jamming), bleeding over onto other frequencies, coded messages, indecent language, advertising a political candidate, some other things).
You never hear about truckers getting caught running amplifiers and many run them. And the penalties consist of fines and being barred from using CB for a period of time.
Here is a link with details for those interested:
https://www.cbradiomemories.com/fcc_rules_cb.htm
Maybe it's time to invest in one for my Subaru.
You mean you have a subaru without a CB?!
They work. Even when doubt is strong, they work.
CB radios are regulated by the government??? The FCC can fine you for having a too powerful radio but that's about it... At least that's the way it was back in the day... Yes they can jam radio frequencies to shut you down, but regulated??? I seriously doubt it...
FCC doesn't do 💩 for Citizen Band enforcement.
25+ years ago before cell phones, my friends and I would play Hide & Seek with the CB's in our cars. We had people barge in on our conversations, threaten us, chase us and talk over us with their high wattage base units.
Several strongly worded letters to the regional FCC office went unanswered.
Agreed...
I remember in the 70's and up through the mid 80's EVERYONE had a CB in the car, time to get back to the good old day's of communication. We used to play CB tag in cars (I'm sure some of you did the same), Someone would hide in town and everyone would try and find him by using the meter on the radio. Watch it get stronger as you get closer and he was allowed to move up to 6 times LOL! Winner got a bottle of booze he had to hand over if caught. .
My father had one in his car 70’s-80’s. Whenever we were on the highway he would get on and talk with the truckers. Doubt he still has one though.
Hams do something similar called "radio direction finding" - using a handheld VHF radio and a directional antenna to find a low-power transmitter. Very fun.
That's badass
I remember doing this... It was so much fun!
I have not made up my mind on Elon. I Spidey senses are tingling that he is controlled opposition
GMRS radios too, very cheap. It’s also easy to get your ham license. Cheap (all Chinese made) radios do work but most in the know stick with quality Japanese made radios.
Extra class ham and volunteer examiner here.
Agreed - the Technician license exam isn't that difficult, and there is a bunch of resources out there to help you. I recommend hamstudy.org and the ARRL Ham Radio License Manual (available in Amazon or the ARRL's web shop).
I like Kenwood's VHF/UHF rigs, and Icom for HF. The Baofengs are good for what they are, though - a cheap way to get started.
73!
I’m also an Extra, been licensed since 1971. It’s never been easier to get a ham ticket!
doesn't mean they can't listen in
.... For now....
They aren't for long distances. I remember my parents having them.