So, an unborn baby’s life is equal to a convicted felon’s life? Do you people listen to yourselves?
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I do. What is so hard to understand? Innocent life opposed to guilty life. We should protect the innocent. The unborn child didn't do anything wrong. It should be protected. The death penalty is reserved for adults who commit a capital offense. It's not for deterrence. It is called justice. The problem with liberals is they want to do whatever they please without any consequence.
In their worldview (though they would deny this) they see no distinction between guilty and innocent as there is no objective standard by which to judge such things. This is why they don't have a gut-reaction against grooming kids by talking about LGBTQ+ crap. They literally don't believe in innocence or guilt. Otherwise they would have to weep for their innocence long sacrificed, and their guilt so greedily hoarded.
Very good point. I think it actually goes even further. Liberals have literally flipped the script on good and bad. My values come from a Judeo Christian (the Bible) background. In their view, everything I've been taught that is good they think is bad and vice versa. Again it all comes down to liberals want to do whatever they please without any consequence.
Don't miss this point. We all have a God given ability to do whatever they want. It's called free will. God gave man free will. But all choices have consequences. This is one area where liberals are mentally impaired.
Yea precisely! Isaiah 5:20 says "Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good".
I totally agree, this is what they are doing, and that's why my heart goes out to them. I once was blind and didn't pay heed to God's word, nor did I fear him.
They don't realize they are betting on God not existing and consequences for their actions not coming in due time. A poor bet, I'd say. Thanks for your comment, God bless and have a good night!
When a unborn baby commits multiple murders and is convicted by a jury of its peers,I will go along with abortion.
Ryan is a dumbass
So are the 17 other people who liked it . Hmmmm 17. I held my breath and did not comment as I have not posted much of anything on fuckbook for a year after I told the biden voters they were either stupid or pedophiles. Hmmmm, that actually was pretty factual.
Ryan virtue signaling..it's the only talent he (she?) has.
✋ I support the death penalty for rapists and murderers while opposing murdering infants.
I love how lefties think they're smart when they throw out their one-liners.
Smug, ignorant, emotional, entitled, selfish, spoiled brats that they are. Trying to make a point, and cross themselves up hilariously in the process.
These. People. Are. Stupid.
To be honest. I do not support the death penalty. And I think there is plenty of reason not to think of all who have done wrong by law to be considered not worthy of life.
All of Gods creation is precious. And it should be frowned uppon to revoke someones ability to repent and be saved.
Not to mention there are a lot that are in prison, on death row, who actually comitted no crime. There are a lot who are in prison in general who have done no wrong.
You dont revoke their ability to repent and be saved as a matter of fact most of those murderers on death row do exactly that. Even God has had people executed. How many times did God send in an army to destroy every living thing in the city including the children. Keeping these people is not the answer they are absolutely vile. If we had the proper death penalty which is ok according to the bible then there would be so many less of these murderers amoung us killing the innocent.
Glad you pointed that out. Those are things God has done. We are not God, they are not our creation. Thou shalt not kill. Seems pretty easy to understand.
If there us a place in the Bible where it implicity states killing is ok. I really want to read it.
“Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind” Genesis 9:6 NIV
I dont understand how than means its ok to kill people for breaking the law. It doesnt exactly state who can do it. That feels like a stretch to me to go from shed blood to kill.
We arent talking about jaywalking. We are talking about murderers.
Just FYI - The proper translation is "Thou shalt not murder' (not 'kill').
There is a time for killing (the guilty), but never for murdering (the innocent).
Thanks for adding that, I deleted mine as soon as I saw someone else put the correct translation. Thou shalt not kill is entirely ambiguous, and people love to quote that, especially the anti capital punishment types. I will add though if there was an accidental death, this invoked the cities of refuge use. This protected the one who accidentally killed another, but it protected the relatives of the slain ones as well. It kept them from becoming murders while seeking revenge for the one lost.
In the King James version, "kill" equates to "murder" and "smote" equates to "manslaughter." In some cases, "smote" is a bad thing, but in other cases, it equates to "justifiable homicide."
Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy all call for capital punishment for various crimes including murder, rape, kidnapping, and adultery.
https://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html
In that very link it says God deomstrates his love for us by not condeming us. How does it make sense for us to condem each other? Even after Jesus has taught us to love one another?
Did you read any of the verses linked in the article?
God gave mankind the authority to carry out capital punishment for the most evil crimes. That's confirmed actually from Genesis all the way through Romans in the New Testament.
There are 2 types of condemnation. There's condemnation here on the Earth by human governments when people commit crimes. But there's also eternal condemnation for sinners, which by the way is every person. The Gospel message is that while we are all sinners, if we confess our sins, ask for forgiveness, accept Jesus' death on the cross as payment for our sins, and believe in His resurrection from the grave then God forgives us and spares us from eternity in hell and instead we get to join Him in heaven.
Now the murderer sitting on death row may accept Jesus, or he may not, and that determines his eternal destiny. In either case he still receives capital punishment here on Earth by the government, and God finds no fault in the government for carrying it out. That's justice.
You can't have a theology that's all love and no wrath. In that case, anyone can live however they please and there's no penalties. Likewise, you can't have a theology that's all wrath and no love, because then you end up like the Pharisees with their hundreds of rules for living and no grace. There has to be a balance, because God shows a balance between the two. But in that balance, God is clear and unwavering: capital punishment is just and appropriate for the most evil crimes.
If you want a real-world example of why we need the death penalty look at Anders Breivik in Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik He detonated a van in Oslo killing 8 people and then dressed like a police officer to take a ferry to an island where there was a camp for liberal youth where he spent over an hour gunning down 69 kids. 319 people were injured. Some of the kids actually ran toward him thinking he was a police officer there to help them. He was given Norway's maximum sentence of 21 years in prison with the possibility of parole after 10 years. This man killed 77 people because he didn't like their politics, and his actions affected the lives of all of his victims' friends and family. He has shown no remorse for what he has done. And while he did not get paroled after 10 years, he will be a free man around the age of 55 to live out the rest of his life.
I believe men such as this should receive the death penalty, and it would be acceptable to God. But Norway abolished that punishment.
Romans - Speaking about government
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Why don't you go live with ISIS if you think running the laws of the land based on scripture in order to execute people you deem vile and undeserving of life is the solution to things. You're basically wanting sharia law Christian version.
Wanting to put murderers and rapists to the sword is a very different thing than wanting to put women who know how to read the sword.
One is about protecting the innocent. The other is about control.
They are not the same.
@ u/CherokeePede
I hate to break it to you but murders were put to death under Mosaic law, the one God instructed Moses to deliver to the Israelites, Ex 19:12 is the place to where I reference. There is logic in the law for putting a murderer down. It keeps others from becoming murderers based on vengeance. What occurs are two things, there is justice for the one slayed, and the issue is put to rest which can allow people to heal. The same reason if an animal such as bull gored your loved one to death, it was put down, not out of vengeance but to allow the family to heal and not walk past the animal every day and be reminded of their loss, and it was a sense of justice that the owner paid a price.
All life is precious, but when the law comes down from The Almighty, you follow it, to presume to be more wise or Holy, or lenient than God is, starts one down a path that is not conducive to going astray. Although the law was given over 3000 years ago, doesn't make it any less relevant, especially considering the source.
Im not presuming, its how I interpret it. If its Gods will, then Gods will be done. But I dont consider the death penalty Gods will. Is the will of man. Yes, there are References to people being put to death for their Sins. But I dont see how those are instructions for all to take a life as they see fit. I consider it presumption that its ok to kill.
And beyond that we can incarcerate for life. No one here is advocating for people to just walk free. And I have worked on death row. Right next to some of the most vile of sinners that do not value life at all. In fact, some seek to take it.
And this experience is why I dont belive the death penalty should exist. Among those on DR. There were not a few but about half that did something dumb but without any malice. They will recieve the death penalty. One is there for killing his girlfriend and another in a car wreck. Lost control, wrecked, and everyone but him died in the crash. One is there for a house fire, that was started accidentally. There are many stories lime these.
The laws of mankind seem to be clear, but are not free from corruption and ill will. Those people responsible for deciding who lives and dies under death penalty are not God. They are not getting the word of God as instructions to do so. They are following a flawed execution of mans law that is almost completely blind to Gods will. If we cannot guarantee (and we clearly cannot) that all recieving death penalty are actually guilty under Gods law then the death penalty should not exist.
There are very, very, VERY few on death row who are innocent and the amount of innocent people in prison is about 1 our 2 percent.
The death penalty isnt about justice and it damn sure isnt about retribution. It is about protection. If all of Gods life is precious, you have a decision to make. Kill this individual or let them kill or harm lots of other individuals. If you can prevent it, and do not, you ill but committed the crime yourself. Their murder and rape victims could have been saved, had you stopped him, but you chose to let them be murdered instead. If in the world where a life is a 1:1 value, is not the innocent the one you should save? But we arent talking about 1:1. By forgoing the death penalty we are saying this persons life is worth all 12 or 40 of their victims. 40:1, if all life is equally precious, seems like a on brainer.
Multiple Murder is the only crime punished by the death penalty in the modern world. How is this even a discussion?
I essentially agree with you. The justice system is run by humans, and so the justice system is fallible. People who were on death row get their convictions overturned sometimes. Police don't always do their job right, or may get lazy and take the wrong person to court. The saying goes that it's better to release a criminal than convict a person who is innocent. We shouldn't give the state the ability to easily arrest and continue to grow our prison population, the largest on earth per Capita.
I also believe that all life is divine and precious, even those who do evil There have been times people have been put to death with capital punishment then cleared of the crime after death. The state did all the things required to be confident in their decision to kill a citizen, yet they still get it wrong sometimes.
I don't think it's worth it to go through all the legal things in order to execute someone. Which is good, we should give someone as much of a case as possible and to have absolutely no doubt if the state is putting people to death. But the cost of putting a prisoner to death is very often more expensive than it would be to just house them in prison the rest of their natural life. The state shouldn't have the ability to kill its own citizens, even if they were convicted of a heinous crime.
The Bible teaches that ending a human life is wrong. The Bible condemns murder, of course (Exodus 20:13Open in Logos Bible Software (if available), Romans 13:9Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)). But the Bible also specifically identifies the taking of life in the womb as sin. Exodus 21:22Open in Logos Bible Software (if available) says that if a person strikes a pregnant woman, and her baby dies, then the person should be put to death as a murderer. In other words, taking life, even life in the womb, is a sin which deserves death.
The Bible also teaches us how and when to initiate an abortion:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV
"after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children."
So at the very least there is some contradictory passages within the Bible about abortion.
The Bible has a lot of contradictions, and that is why it is so vulnerable to criticism.
In fact, it doesn't have contradictions.
Every time I believe I've found one, I end up learning so much more about the Bible than I did before.
There's a danger in using translations such as the NIV, which have been deliberately edited to create contradictions such as this one.
https://answersingenesis.org/sanctity-of-life/numbers-5-and-abortion/
Apples and oranges
Yeah, mistakes can happen but people usually aren’t on death row for a parking ticket. The Jeffrey Dahmers and Hilary Clintons of the world needed to go!
Yes cause a newborn child has such high statistics on killing people.
I totally support the death penalty for unborn children convicted of rape or murder.
What blows my mind, and it seems to be going way over the people that thinks this is a solid line of thinking is this:
You say, that if I support the death penalty, I should support abortion. So therefore you support the death penalty? If the answer is yes, you admit that you are killing a life in the process of abortion. If your answer is no, then that means you differentiate the death penalty from abortion and your argument is mute. There is no logical thinking and is all made to create an emotional response.
They tried this argument in the 90s. There was a black guy who murdered cops and was put on trial and sentenced to death and they tried to use him as an example of why the death penalty was wrong. It was hilarious.
The unborn are innocents, those on death row aren’t there because they were born. They committed heinous crimes which makes them prone to be repeat offenders because they have no conscience or remorse. They are there because they raped, killed/murdered, Tortured. That is exactly where those who invented, directed and participated in the Covid plandemic, drug and human trafficking, pedophilia, mandated Covid shots in businesses for employees and military, were treasonous to the U.S. and sided with foreign governments must go. They murdered and maimed many and they must face a high penalty for their actions and sins.
Meh, maybe it's the years of seeing what the left and certain minority groups do with their kids.... abortion is doing us a favor. I know it's a terrible practice, I hate to see it... but I also hate seeing 13% of the population commit more violent crime then all other groups combine... we would just be adding to that percentage... thus adding to the violent crime.
It's in general not conservative women having abortions, it's people who don't even have basic responsibility to use a contraceptive and are probably more likely to raise degenerate drains on society.
Abortion is doing the USA a solid.