Undoubtedly Elon is a Trojan horse. The question before us is whether he is a double agent for the White Hats, or the Black Hats?
I cannot see any reason why the Black Hats would want to expose the corruption in their propaganda machine. If they were truly controlling Elon, they would not have directed him to do what he did with regards to exposing Twitter. Elon has done irreparable damage to the Cabal's bullhorn.
What motive would the Cabal have for willingly exposing the bot farms of Twitter?
Flynn and Admiral Rogers “played the game” as Q said, to get into those positions and then flip. I believe many others did the same.
Elon and Peter Theil seem to be on the right track now. Ghosts in the machine as the videos said. Assets to be flipped at the last moment. How is it that Flynn knows where the “bodies are buried”? He was trusted enough to be considered deep state, he flipped.
General Smedly Butler did similar with the “Business Plot”. Check it out. He played along with an attempted fascist take over then went to the public and congress. Flynn has mentioned General Butler on his Telegeam page.
Yes Flynn flipped. It’s why Obama hated him so much. But especially because Flynn was highly protected. I’m sure there’s been plenty attempts to take Flynn out to no avail.
In the X22 recent interview (Dave) asked Kash Patel if Durham was protected and Kash replied laughing: “yeah, I’m not worried about that.”
We know there have been numerous attempts on Trump’s life - but the very fact that there is no restricted airspace over Mar a Lago should speak volumes to the invisible shield that surrounds Trump and key players in the white hat group.
Seth Keshel was also MilIntel his “friend” and driver is a former marine. Marines do security for VIP. I think Seth worked out of Ft a huachuca in AZ close to Maricopa. I think Flynn’s unit was also Ft Hauchuca (spelling). This whole thing feels like they were running this sting operation for years.
Flynn helped secure Iraq’s election integrity and he’s doing the same here. This is a full on A-Team green beret counter insurgency operation were watching. Q said humanity is 99% good. I believe so, but we have a group that’s rigging elections world wide with tech and propaganda media.
Actually, in this case it’s a good thing. Trump is obviously probably the most secure person on the planet. Space Force is probably monitoring every moving thing down to the smallest mosquito. Not having restricted airspace means that they are so confident in their security that it isn’t necessary.
Ok thank you , well I hope they are ready to shoot it down if anything weird happens! Does ODemon And Bush have restricted airspace near there homes do you know ?
Yes, Bush has restricted airspace over his ranch in Texas. And Obama has restricted airspace in D.C. but his comes as a lot of areas in D.C. already have restricted space.
The one in regards to Mar a Lago is interesting because its as if they are openly taunting the DS/Cabal to attack.
Also, no matter what side Elon is working for it's been hilarious watching the entire left wing structure and their psycho fan base melt down at Elon's antics.
Highly intelligent people can be "wrong" sometimes too, or blinded in some areas.
On any "science" topic, there are massive "science" institutions who say X or Y or whatever. And it is easy for us to say they are always wrong based on COVID and Global Warming, but obviously they aren't actually always wrong. They do get lots of things right, too.
I dunno the timestamps on any of that stuff up there but it is certainly possible for someone to be duped initially and change their minds later, too.
As far as one world government and that stuff... if you believe real, actual AI is coming soon, we do kind of need something like that or the machines will take over. The efforts we call one world order today are obviously socialist and bad... but if we had a freedom-based one world government it would be good, right?
We paint a thing as bad when really it is the people who are bad.
Elon is a WH …. He named his company Tesla as a Fuck You to the elites …
Ya see Nicola Tesla had discovered a way to bring electricity into every home in the world free of charge …. But Thomas Edison, J.P. Morgan, Thomas Westinghouse & others needed a money make - DC power / Tesla even proved Edison’s theory about cosmic energy was wrong …. With the help of JP Morgan, Tesla was ultimately bankrupted and labeled a lunatic - They have kept the secret of free energy for 125+ years …
The irony about Tesla the car company? It purports to be this green energy conscious, eco leader … but the truth is the car cannot be disposed of… the lithium batteries, containing all kinds toxins can never be disposed of - think nuclear half life for the materials that make up these batteries … Oh and after 5 to 7 years of owning the electric car, guess what; you need a new battery pack - at a cost of about $10k - you won’t be able to sell this car w/out a battery on used car market, and you can’t dispose of the car … you have a $70k paper weight is all - and I think Elon knows this and will expose Tesla like he has exposed Twatter…. There are no coincidences….
Its clear to me that Elon was for most of this shit until someone recently clued him in about the truth of the cabal etc. Someone red pilled Elon in a big way just recently. Either that or he was playing possum acting like he was fine with the NWO then he did a 180. Show me a pro-NWO tweet from the past 3-6 months. Somewhere in there he flipped sides.
I don't trust him in the slightest. We all run to that with public voices that speak 'our truth'... But he flipped so fast that we should remain skeptical. I watch and get enjoyment out of the reactions the Left had to what he says... But I am not invested.
In today's world, trusting any elite (other than DJT) is a stretch. They already have the power, but they want control. Not convinced that Elon is a White Hat.
This covid BS has created 30+ new billionaires. How many are now part of the continuing problem?
The motto Novus ordo seclorum was translated and added to the seal by Charles Thomson, a Latin expert who was involved in the design of the Great Seal, as "A new order of the ages." Thomson said it was to signify "the beginning of the new American Era" as of the date of the Declaration of Independence.
I dunno, sounds very America-First to me.
Medieval Christians read Virgil's poem as a prophecy of the coming of Christ. The Augustan Age, although pre-Christian, was viewed as a golden age preparing the world for the coming of Christ. The great poets of this age were viewed as a source of revelation and light upon the Christian mysteries to come.
So I think Elon is just eccentric… not insane but kinda crazy… I have no doubt he favors (or did favor) a one world government… not because he seriously thought about it, but because Star Trek has one and the federation seems swell… (as long as you don’t think too hard on it).
Now did he’d get redpilled by the left going after him? And if so has that made him re-evaluate things like the above? Time will tell.
There is a lady out there that claims to have babysat him as a child and they called him El Elyon. El elyon is another name for God.
El Elyon Molusk lol
On a side note this woman make some interesting claims that I myself can't get on board with. Essentially she is under the impression that elons mom is cia and elon was raised to be one of the people to set the stage of the antichrist.
As for my personal opinion I don't think elon is anyone special that will save us or destroy us. I agree with others that say he is a wildcard and time will tell. I do like the fact that he is shining light on Twitter but that's not enough for me to give a liking to him and follow him.
People call me crazy but just as anons line up events with LOTR, I see the Marvel series. Elon is Stark. Took over a huge business, making millions, then one day is taken under and shown the harm and darkness he's adding to and has a change of heart. Who knows, maybe he'll be the one to go against Thanos (Klause), snap his fingers and save humanity. Regardless of that I'm reminded of something our pastor says on occasion and pray its truth for Elon. ANYONE can have a "road to Damascus" experience. If Christ can blind Saul on his way to persecute Christians and turn him into the Paul that wrote the majority of the New Testament, imagine what He can (and HE CAN) do for Elon or anyone else in this world.
I think yes and no. He's a part of their organization, however he's looking at it as "why shouldn't I screw them over the last second and take it all for myself."
I don’t trust him. It’s an easy position to take. Trusting him will almost certainly be a let down. Not trusting him, won’t affect me in any way form or fashion. Hope he does well with his doings. Hope he fights for good.
Seems to me like anyone else that Elons opinions have changed over time. Hes on the autistic scale so I dont think he can be controlled to easily anyway. Not with the resources he has. I think his opinion evolves with the information he gets over time
He’s playing a role. Just like a lot of progressives in the media who are exposing the left. This is a de-brainwashing campaign. Remember, information warfare. How do you get those who have been massively brainwashed to wake up? You do it through their own sources
This really isn't some magical mastermind play here.
Elon cares about 2 things: Memes and Money, maybe Mars. I don't think he is some great moral champion, I don't think he is somebody trying to save the world. Everything that is not memes, money, and Mars, is kind of a game to him.
See, Elon of a year ago and before understood that to make the money, one had to be vaguely democrat, vaguely liberal, and make the democrat/liberal sounds. Its why nearly all of the rich people are vaguely "liberal." One either makes the sounds, or they get treated like Trump. Past Elon didn't largely care about politics, he was clapping along because in Soviet America he who claps for the conservatives is a "deplorable" and excluded from every possible money making thing the liberal elite can manage. Elon of the past needed to "be with the program" so he could focus on Tesla, Mars, and Memeing on Twitter.
Then Woke attacked Elon, why because they can, because its Tuesday, and because eventually Woke will attack EVERBODY if they are left to rampage long enough. And the democrats followed. Elon messed up, and didn't clap hard enough, then clapped too hard. IN Soviet states, like in the USSR, in the USSA he who doesn't clap loud enough is sent to gulag, and he who claps too hard is also sent to gulag. LIke the old soviets, basically eventually everybody just goes to gulag, because the woke-psycho pesudo-soviets need their daily dose of ripping somebody down and destroying them, for the sake of destroying somebody. Guilt is irrelevant to them, the NEED their blood, if they can't find the obviously guilty of violating Woke, they will make up transgressions to punish, because the "Blood must flow."
It didn't help that the Woke mafia use the State of California to make it impossible for Elon's Tesla to operate. And by moving to Texas, he only further burned the democrat bridge. Newsom was after all making a lot of money by raping Tesla with taxes.
Now 2022 Elon realizes, he is going to lose everything, and like the lockstp-goostep fascists psychos they are, the left have all disowned him as one like the NPC drones they are. So Elon has tuned to the enemies of the democrats to find allies, and realized he has to destroy the democrats, and Woke, to keep Tesla running, to keep making the ONE thing hey actually cares about: money and more money. He used his power of money to start to destroy Twitter, which is the "Den of Scum and Villainy" that Woke operates out of and uses to perpetuate their "Bullying from behind false virtue." If he can't buy Twitter, he is going to destroy Twitter, and damn he is doing a pretty good job so far.
That and I think Woke remind Elon too much of his father, whom Elon HATES, HATES, HATES, and has spoken of such. His father was a very bad man, who did every horrible bad-man thing one could imagine, but would instantly turn and play the "oh the West is beating up on a poor African" (note the Musks Sr, was one of the super-rich whites who lavishly benefited from the South African Apartheid) every chance he could, hiding behind false victimhood to shield themselves as his father cared out vicious, ruthless, sadistic attacks on people. Its believed its one of the major reasons Musk moved to America to seek his fortune despite being able to set up anywhere with the kind of money he had as young man: he was running from the family, and has long since show up his hated father by massively out-succeeding him. Errol Musk was a rich man. Elon musk has shown hip up in the most showing up way possible a rich man can do to another rich man: by being the RICHEST man of all time.
So the point here is to show how much Elon hates his father, and hates people who remind him of his father.
Woke, like his father, are genuinely evil bullies and assholes who do horrible things, and do indeed hide behind false victimhood, or victimhood by proxy by pretending to "fight for" people who don't need the white-saviors, and very often publicly don't want, "saving" like minorities, gays, and immigrants. In fact the primary goal of woke is sadism: destroying people (like Jonny Depp) for shits and giggles and because they can.
I don't think Musk is some big white hat. He have a father complex that leaves him highly hostile to sadistic bullies of false virtue, and he has fallen afoul of Woke, and taken there challenge that "only one of the two of them gets out of this battle alive" and thus is working to kill woke, and the DNC. He is not a loyal lifetime GOP, he is not some secret mastermind who planned this all long. He is a very rich, reasonably smart elite who realizes nobody can survive by clapping along with the liberals/democrats, that the only way to win is kill or be killed.
This logic works both ways.
Undoubtedly Elon is a Trojan horse. The question before us is whether he is a double agent for the White Hats, or the Black Hats?
I cannot see any reason why the Black Hats would want to expose the corruption in their propaganda machine. If they were truly controlling Elon, they would not have directed him to do what he did with regards to exposing Twitter. Elon has done irreparable damage to the Cabal's bullhorn.
What motive would the Cabal have for willingly exposing the bot farms of Twitter?
Yeah, I'm willing to bet he double crossed the WEF like Putin did, and that's why the media suddenly hates him
Flynn and Admiral Rogers “played the game” as Q said, to get into those positions and then flip. I believe many others did the same.
Elon and Peter Theil seem to be on the right track now. Ghosts in the machine as the videos said. Assets to be flipped at the last moment. How is it that Flynn knows where the “bodies are buried”? He was trusted enough to be considered deep state, he flipped.
General Smedly Butler did similar with the “Business Plot”. Check it out. He played along with an attempted fascist take over then went to the public and congress. Flynn has mentioned General Butler on his Telegeam page.
Yes Flynn flipped. It’s why Obama hated him so much. But especially because Flynn was highly protected. I’m sure there’s been plenty attempts to take Flynn out to no avail.
In the X22 recent interview (Dave) asked Kash Patel if Durham was protected and Kash replied laughing: “yeah, I’m not worried about that.”
We know there have been numerous attempts on Trump’s life - but the very fact that there is no restricted airspace over Mar a Lago should speak volumes to the invisible shield that surrounds Trump and key players in the white hat group.
Seth Keshel was also MilIntel his “friend” and driver is a former marine. Marines do security for VIP. I think Seth worked out of Ft a huachuca in AZ close to Maricopa. I think Flynn’s unit was also Ft Hauchuca (spelling). This whole thing feels like they were running this sting operation for years.
Flynn helped secure Iraq’s election integrity and he’s doing the same here. This is a full on A-Team green beret counter insurgency operation were watching. Q said humanity is 99% good. I believe so, but we have a group that’s rigging elections world wide with tech and propaganda media.
It’s DC. Almost all Democrat voters and political donations.
There is NO restricted air space over Mar a lago ? Isnt that a bad thing ? I thought restricted air space was for protection , trying to learn ?
Actually, in this case it’s a good thing. Trump is obviously probably the most secure person on the planet. Space Force is probably monitoring every moving thing down to the smallest mosquito. Not having restricted airspace means that they are so confident in their security that it isn’t necessary.
Ok thank you , well I hope they are ready to shoot it down if anything weird happens! Does ODemon And Bush have restricted airspace near there homes do you know ?
Yes, Bush has restricted airspace over his ranch in Texas. And Obama has restricted airspace in D.C. but his comes as a lot of areas in D.C. already have restricted space.
The one in regards to Mar a Lago is interesting because its as if they are openly taunting the DS/Cabal to attack.
Also, no matter what side Elon is working for it's been hilarious watching the entire left wing structure and their psycho fan base melt down at Elon's antics.
We have to accept that Elon is a wild card, and just see what happens.
Perhaps we should judge a man by his actions not his tweets.
It had not occurred to me to separate the two.
Black Hats push AI, alien and metaverse propaganda
Black Hats trash world
Black Hats expose their propaganda to make public angry about it
Black hats dont actually make conditions bad enough for people to revolt
Black Hats finally use project bluebeam
"Aliens" are here to help
"Aliens" are a collective race of previously organic AI
They say that the solution to our problems is becoming one with technology
aliens make people take the chip
Remember, Elon is always looking out for Elon.
Sounds more believable that he's been flipped out of the DS control with the way they're attacking him now
I also think this. I do not believe he's a genius - he was a placed puppet like Zuck.
Consider this: Trump used to be a Democrat.
Highly intelligent people can be "wrong" sometimes too, or blinded in some areas.
On any "science" topic, there are massive "science" institutions who say X or Y or whatever. And it is easy for us to say they are always wrong based on COVID and Global Warming, but obviously they aren't actually always wrong. They do get lots of things right, too.
I dunno the timestamps on any of that stuff up there but it is certainly possible for someone to be duped initially and change their minds later, too.
As far as one world government and that stuff... if you believe real, actual AI is coming soon, we do kind of need something like that or the machines will take over. The efforts we call one world order today are obviously socialist and bad... but if we had a freedom-based one world government it would be good, right?
We paint a thing as bad when really it is the people who are bad.
Communism on paper works just fine. Add people and it doesnt work so fine anymore. Therefore, communism is bad.
I'm not sold on his demeanor at all, kind of reminds me of Bill Gates.
Elon is a WH …. He named his company Tesla as a Fuck You to the elites …
Ya see Nicola Tesla had discovered a way to bring electricity into every home in the world free of charge …. But Thomas Edison, J.P. Morgan, Thomas Westinghouse & others needed a money make - DC power / Tesla even proved Edison’s theory about cosmic energy was wrong …. With the help of JP Morgan, Tesla was ultimately bankrupted and labeled a lunatic - They have kept the secret of free energy for 125+ years …
The irony about Tesla the car company? It purports to be this green energy conscious, eco leader … but the truth is the car cannot be disposed of… the lithium batteries, containing all kinds toxins can never be disposed of - think nuclear half life for the materials that make up these batteries … Oh and after 5 to 7 years of owning the electric car, guess what; you need a new battery pack - at a cost of about $10k - you won’t be able to sell this car w/out a battery on used car market, and you can’t dispose of the car … you have a $70k paper weight is all - and I think Elon knows this and will expose Tesla like he has exposed Twatter…. There are no coincidences….
Tesla was founded by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Elon didn't name it, he just bought it.
Nikola Tesla
George Westinghouse
Tesla is called tesla because it used the tesla motor.
He did kind of come out of nowhere.
He did NOT just "come out of nowhere". He has rich documented past.
Trump also endorsed the vaccines, dum dum.
Its clear to me that Elon was for most of this shit until someone recently clued him in about the truth of the cabal etc. Someone red pilled Elon in a big way just recently. Either that or he was playing possum acting like he was fine with the NWO then he did a 180. Show me a pro-NWO tweet from the past 3-6 months. Somewhere in there he flipped sides.
I don't trust him in the slightest. We all run to that with public voices that speak 'our truth'... But he flipped so fast that we should remain skeptical. I watch and get enjoyment out of the reactions the Left had to what he says... But I am not invested.
No need to trust him, but I sure am enjoying the hell out of watching him go! XD
I am on the fence at this point. Time will tell.
In today's world, trusting any elite (other than DJT) is a stretch. They already have the power, but they want control. Not convinced that Elon is a White Hat.
This covid BS has created 30+ new billionaires. How many are now part of the continuing problem?
Yes, he is a bad guy
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I dunno, sounds very America-First to me.
So I think Elon is just eccentric… not insane but kinda crazy… I have no doubt he favors (or did favor) a one world government… not because he seriously thought about it, but because Star Trek has one and the federation seems swell… (as long as you don’t think too hard on it).
Now did he’d get redpilled by the left going after him? And if so has that made him re-evaluate things like the above? Time will tell.
And he builds cars that can drive by AI and can be remotely shut down.
Is he still with the witch?
He is just trying to give himself choices and scenarios based on what happens in the future. He isn't for anyone but himself.
Everyone has their part they are playing. On both sides!
You mean Moloch? Mollusk are clams and oysters.
There is a lady out there that claims to have babysat him as a child and they called him El Elyon. El elyon is another name for God.
El Elyon Molusk lol
On a side note this woman make some interesting claims that I myself can't get on board with. Essentially she is under the impression that elons mom is cia and elon was raised to be one of the people to set the stage of the antichrist.
As for my personal opinion I don't think elon is anyone special that will save us or destroy us. I agree with others that say he is a wildcard and time will tell. I do like the fact that he is shining light on Twitter but that's not enough for me to give a liking to him and follow him.
I think your theory is very possible. If he has us confused, maybe he has the cabal confused as well.
People call me crazy but just as anons line up events with LOTR, I see the Marvel series. Elon is Stark. Took over a huge business, making millions, then one day is taken under and shown the harm and darkness he's adding to and has a change of heart. Who knows, maybe he'll be the one to go against Thanos (Klause), snap his fingers and save humanity. Regardless of that I'm reminded of something our pastor says on occasion and pray its truth for Elon. ANYONE can have a "road to Damascus" experience. If Christ can blind Saul on his way to persecute Christians and turn him into the Paul that wrote the majority of the New Testament, imagine what He can (and HE CAN) do for Elon or anyone else in this world.
I think yes and no. He's a part of their organization, however he's looking at it as "why shouldn't I screw them over the last second and take it all for myself."
As if he would get anywhere near all that wealth and not be killed without being a satanic fuckface sellout globalist.
Wtf are you people even thinking considering anything else?
I don’t trust him. It’s an easy position to take. Trusting him will almost certainly be a let down. Not trusting him, won’t affect me in any way form or fashion. Hope he does well with his doings. Hope he fights for good.
yes.
Look at the resources being spent against him. SNL, time...
He’s playing both sides.
oh you're just figuring this out now? yikes.
Seems to me like anyone else that Elons opinions have changed over time. Hes on the autistic scale so I dont think he can be controlled to easily anyway. Not with the resources he has. I think his opinion evolves with the information he gets over time
He’s playing a role. Just like a lot of progressives in the media who are exposing the left. This is a de-brainwashing campaign. Remember, information warfare. How do you get those who have been massively brainwashed to wake up? You do it through their own sources
This really isn't some magical mastermind play here.
Elon cares about 2 things: Memes and Money, maybe Mars. I don't think he is some great moral champion, I don't think he is somebody trying to save the world. Everything that is not memes, money, and Mars, is kind of a game to him.
See, Elon of a year ago and before understood that to make the money, one had to be vaguely democrat, vaguely liberal, and make the democrat/liberal sounds. Its why nearly all of the rich people are vaguely "liberal." One either makes the sounds, or they get treated like Trump. Past Elon didn't largely care about politics, he was clapping along because in Soviet America he who claps for the conservatives is a "deplorable" and excluded from every possible money making thing the liberal elite can manage. Elon of the past needed to "be with the program" so he could focus on Tesla, Mars, and Memeing on Twitter.
Then Woke attacked Elon, why because they can, because its Tuesday, and because eventually Woke will attack EVERBODY if they are left to rampage long enough. And the democrats followed. Elon messed up, and didn't clap hard enough, then clapped too hard. IN Soviet states, like in the USSR, in the USSA he who doesn't clap loud enough is sent to gulag, and he who claps too hard is also sent to gulag. LIke the old soviets, basically eventually everybody just goes to gulag, because the woke-psycho pesudo-soviets need their daily dose of ripping somebody down and destroying them, for the sake of destroying somebody. Guilt is irrelevant to them, the NEED their blood, if they can't find the obviously guilty of violating Woke, they will make up transgressions to punish, because the "Blood must flow."
It didn't help that the Woke mafia use the State of California to make it impossible for Elon's Tesla to operate. And by moving to Texas, he only further burned the democrat bridge. Newsom was after all making a lot of money by raping Tesla with taxes.
Now 2022 Elon realizes, he is going to lose everything, and like the lockstp-goostep fascists psychos they are, the left have all disowned him as one like the NPC drones they are. So Elon has tuned to the enemies of the democrats to find allies, and realized he has to destroy the democrats, and Woke, to keep Tesla running, to keep making the ONE thing hey actually cares about: money and more money. He used his power of money to start to destroy Twitter, which is the "Den of Scum and Villainy" that Woke operates out of and uses to perpetuate their "Bullying from behind false virtue." If he can't buy Twitter, he is going to destroy Twitter, and damn he is doing a pretty good job so far.
That and I think Woke remind Elon too much of his father, whom Elon HATES, HATES, HATES, and has spoken of such. His father was a very bad man, who did every horrible bad-man thing one could imagine, but would instantly turn and play the "oh the West is beating up on a poor African" (note the Musks Sr, was one of the super-rich whites who lavishly benefited from the South African Apartheid) every chance he could, hiding behind false victimhood to shield themselves as his father cared out vicious, ruthless, sadistic attacks on people. Its believed its one of the major reasons Musk moved to America to seek his fortune despite being able to set up anywhere with the kind of money he had as young man: he was running from the family, and has long since show up his hated father by massively out-succeeding him. Errol Musk was a rich man. Elon musk has shown hip up in the most showing up way possible a rich man can do to another rich man: by being the RICHEST man of all time.
So the point here is to show how much Elon hates his father, and hates people who remind him of his father.
Woke, like his father, are genuinely evil bullies and assholes who do horrible things, and do indeed hide behind false victimhood, or victimhood by proxy by pretending to "fight for" people who don't need the white-saviors, and very often publicly don't want, "saving" like minorities, gays, and immigrants. In fact the primary goal of woke is sadism: destroying people (like Jonny Depp) for shits and giggles and because they can.
I don't think Musk is some big white hat. He have a father complex that leaves him highly hostile to sadistic bullies of false virtue, and he has fallen afoul of Woke, and taken there challenge that "only one of the two of them gets out of this battle alive" and thus is working to kill woke, and the DNC. He is not a loyal lifetime GOP, he is not some secret mastermind who planned this all long. He is a very rich, reasonably smart elite who realizes nobody can survive by clapping along with the liberals/democrats, that the only way to win is kill or be killed.
The other possibility is he has woken up
No shit.
I remember when he tweeted "take the red pill" I think that was a sign that he had flipped.