So, for many years, despite being totally red pilled on pizza gate and a million other things, I still thought the chemtrails theory was suspect (like flat earth is suspect). I felt that the explanation was reasonable that at certain altitudes, temperatures, and humidity levels, contrails could linger for extended periods of time. But, about 3 months ago, instead of a few lingering contrails here and there, it's ramped up to dozens of them almost every single day. After these days, the evening and overnight winds are insane. We've had insane winds most days for MONTHS. Never experienced anything like it in my life, completely ridiculous to pretend it's a natural weather pattern for the region I live in.
So, coinciding with the dramatically increased and regular "lingering contrails", I thought to myself 'I guess I should look into this chemtrail thing a bit.' So, I watched the documentary "What In The World Are They Spraying?" and they presented evidence about astronomically high levels of aluminum in the soil in places where they do this spraying, which causes the PH of the soil to come way up, so I decided to test the soil in my own back yard. Predictably, its PH is WAY high at 7.9. At 7 a lot of plants can't survive have trouble.
Anyway, I'm now thoroughly convinced they're spraying something for some reason, and obviously not a good one. So, I've been paying more attention to what days they spray, and if I could spot a pattern. I've logged in to flight trackers to try and figure out which planes, and I've searched on the internet trying to find others who have already spent years trying to spot the patterns of these flights... But I couldn't find much. There are several websites with a LOT of surface information, but apparently no one has simply logged the days, amount of passes across their airspace, the flight numbers and callsigns (or lack thereof) of the aircraft, and compared these datasets to possible explanations. If any of you know of a place where such data is compiled or presented, I'd love to see it.
Now then, I've hit upon one data point in a possible pattern: after months of total sky covering spraying almost every day, there was no spraying at all across the entire Memorial Day weekend. There are plenty of standard passenger flights across this weekend, the sky was full of planes like it is any other day- but no lingering contrails. Not a single one. Do we ever see lingering contrails spreading across the sky on federal holidays? If not, that's quite a damning coincidence. If we could demonstrate a pattern like that, we could easily shut down the "lingering contrail due to common atmospheric conditions" argument- does the weather take federal holidays off?
No, but the pilots flying the planes spraying take those days off. Intriguing.
Most plants thrive between 6.0-7.0 ph. Not sure why you would think most die at 7.0. That's not true.
Other than that, chemtrails are most definitely real. I always know we will have rain the day after I see them spraying. It's become completely predictable. And it's no secret either, just search the internet for cloud seeding, it's a real thing and states are hiring these companies to do this.
https://www.miningreview.com/top-stories/cloud-seeding-technology-to-maximize-water-availability/
https://phys.org/news/2020-05-indonesia-cloud-seeding-forest-bay.html
My mistake, I guess I should say "have trouble above 7."
Operation Popeye
Did you ever stop to think that the conditions for rain (high atmospheric humidity) are the same conditions for contrail longevity? There are such things as common causes.
No. My husband was a pilot. I was a flight attendant. No. Not normal.
And I am an aeronautical engineer. You do realize that lingering contrails and no contrails are the ends on the continuum of contrails? And that their appearance has to do with the ambient relative humidity at altitude? When "normal" goes all the way from not appearing, to being persistent from horizon to horizon, how do you say something is "not normal"?
I live where there are cloudy skies. The skies can vary from no clouds at all (rare, but it happens) to total overcast (more common than we would prefer). If there are clouds at all, and how much, no one would bat an eye at. It would all be "normal." Contrails are only clouds.
You just can't be serious. Grids that last and disperse for hours on end? Never seen in skies before 30 years ago? Gee, you must think the government is here to help too.
Why do all flight and aviation books specifically say calculations are based in a flat plane? All my husband’s books said that. I know, I was his study person.
They arent serious and use the usual...
...on every post that comes along about chemtrails using the illogical appeal to authority fallacy.
And they don't actually answer questions, they just deflect and act above others. It's a learned behavior from the indoctrination camps we were forced to attend. Also, imagine being in debt to your eyeballs for an education ..could you question it if its your whole identity?
Correct, but If they’re up to their eyeballs in debt as an engineer they’re straight up not doing something right
As to "a flat plane", I made this image:
https://imgur.com/a/IHkcUIH
... as a way to try to start a common ground discussion. It is a self-evident truth that no one can honestly deny. The point is that along the curve the distance from 90 degrees to 110 degrees is exactly the same as the distance from 110 degrees to 130 degrees. However line "b" is much more than twice the length of line "a".
This simple visual IMO helps to illustrate the problem that extremely hi optical zoom cameras have created for the globe. There isn't a linear relationship with these distances. It is exponential, and the exponential impact increases as the distances increase.
How long do clouds last? Hours on end? Contrails are only clouds. What is true now that wasn't true 30 years ago is that more airplanes are operating at higher altitudes. If the air is more saturated with water vapor (high relative humidity, not necessarily high absolute humidity), this means the contrails will persist. I have seen them commonly extend from horizon to horizon. A "grid" is only a way of saying that airplanes go this way and that way, which is rather necessary for them to get anyplace.
The aerodynamic calculations are based in a flat plane because it is convenient and incurs small error. It is only professionalism to mention any such approximations in order not to mislead the student. I have three degrees in aeronautical engineering, so I think I know the subject.
If 8 inches per mile squared is irrelevant at over 400 mph, then that's insane. Jeez. Use your noodle. You'd be constantly corrected nose down. Do you? No. My husband was a pilot. I know.
The plane and the pilot are keeping the nose level at all times. That takes care of it. By the time you've traveled a mile, the local vertical has tilted forward by 2.5 milliradians (about 0.0145 degree). And the Earth surface has lowered by 8 inches. It happens, but you just don't notice it in the "noise" of controlling the aircraft. There is no other way to fly any significant distance.
I don't know what you mean by "squared." You are surely talking about the Earth curvature?
So are you just going to ignore all the companies out there that literally offer cloud seeding services, all out in the open? It's no secret, how is this even a debate these days..... the denial over this is just astronomical.
I have known of cloud seeding since my childhood, having watched it featured on the long-ago TV program "You Asked For It." It is very limited in scope and effectiveness and requires specially-equipped aircraft. It is not conducted by airlines. Airliners are not so equipped, and it would make no sense for them to be involved, since their point is to fly high above the clouds, not be close enough for seeding to be feasible.
There is a huge difference between limited cloud seeding and "chemtrails." Trying to extrapolate from the former to the latter is just a leap of imagination without any evidence, and an absence of critical thinking.
You sound confused. I didn't say anything about airliners. I don't think anyone believes commercial airliners are the ones spraying the skies while they transport people across the country.
In that case, my apology. The "chemtrail" proponents, almost to a man, insist that they are emissions from commercial aircraft. You may have a rather bizarre conversation with them.
But I don't think commercial seeding amounts to much in the grand scheme of things.
When I say chemtrail, I'm referring to the high altitude aircraft which I myself have looked at though a scope and saw spraying material high in the skies, which lead to it raining usually about a day later, even when no rain is in the forecast. This led to a debate with my local meteorologist who constantly insists there's no such thing as planes spraying anything in the air and no one has the ability to modify weather or make it rain. I then sent him a list of over a dozen companies in this country alone that offer this service. He still publicly denies this exists.
In addition to all that, cloud seeding claims to spray silver iodide "or other substances" into the atmosphere. It's the "other substances" I worry about. Because who the fuck knows what they will spray up there when so many people are still denying this activity even exists. I grow my own food, and I do not consent to some business, government or other entity spraying shit above my home that will potentially collect on the ground below me.
And for as long as I've been on conspiracy forums, over 25 years, this is exactly what we have always referred to as chemtrails.
Silver iodide or dry ice are the two common cloud seeds. But they use low altitude aircraft to get into cumulus clouds. You are probably observing contrails. Contrails form when the high altitude relative humidity is high. This may correlate with a propensity for rain.
I'm not sure why your meteorologist is so adamant. I did a little look-see and there are cloud seeding programs engaged in California, Nevada, and Colorado over specified areas. No secrecy involved. But no high-altitude aircraft.
There are all kinds of things that rain down, literally. Every raindrop or hail forms around a dust particle, of whatever is up there. Remember we get something like 50,000 tons of meteoric matter settling on the Earth each year from outer space. You would have to do some serious chemical assay work to determine what, if anything, is raining down vs. being there to begin with. (Neighboring highways, for example, are a source of rubber dust from tire wear.)
Why they would want to attack us is kind of obvious, but can you try to explain why we would need to be protected from attack from Israel or Russia?
Something like that would need to be space-based. Wouldn't the rocket that sent that up have had an "accident" during launch, or shortly after it enters the thinner parts of the atmosphere.
Just watched two short videos on building demolition. To be frank, those also seemed to turn to dust with larger pieces of debris.
Interesting explanation. Based on this account of things, any ideas for why they would be apparently increasing spraying in the south western US by 20-30 fold in the past 3 months? Hav I simply never noticed, and they always spray this much through spring, as you said, to depress rainfall here and increase rain fall in the midwest?
Ok, so they deny water to the west, and flood the central plains, causing both to have reduced growth- then starvation is the idea, I guess.
Have a name for that Russian dusification weapon? I can't find anything on it searching for that term, too many false positives.
The trails always come out of these white planes flying at a specific altitude. I've tried to use a flight tracker to ID them, but they don't show up on there. I've heard it's an air force operation called Operation Indigo Skyfold.
Just take your pick, it's no secret, been cloud seeding for decades
http://www.weathermodification.com/aircraft.php
Indigo Skyfold... I'll look into that, thanks.
I remember Chemtrails back in the mid-60s...
I distinctly remember seeing this movie in the 80's and laughing my ass of at this clip. I could only imagine how good/bad the LSD was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shLbHKOmDZA
Not anymore
Wow! I guess it has been going on a very long time.
Cloud seeding started in the 40's. Nearly 100 years later people are still in denial, baffles the mind.
I was 11 years old in 69. Almost all the kids used drugs. I dabbled a few times, but mostly smoked pot. Listen to the song White Rabbit to get an idea of what LSD is like.
Up until the Who tour where people got trampled to death in Ohio (ending sit where you like), people walked threw the stadiums selling Drugs like peanuts. The concerts were cheap! Saw Rolling Stones and Van Halen for 20 bucks.
Just ask yourself when was the last time you saw a big blue sky with tall clouds instead of a murky haze?
Well, in the southwest that's rare in the first place, but yeah. Not only have these contrails increased, but the sky doesn't often look like what people painted 100+ years ago.
You need to look up soil ph levels. If your soil is 7.9, it's alkaline, not acid. Most plants prefer a little bit acid to neutral (6.5-7) but many thrive in alkaline soil, others like it pretty acid. I can't grow blueberries or azaleas very well, for example, because I live in the mountains with a lot of limestone, alkaline soil and they want acid soil.
Yeah, obviously I do not know much about plants, just repeating random stuff I've seen said while trying to learn more about all this. But, I was under the impression that the vast, vast majority of plants preferred acidic soil and didn't generally do well (ie, tend to die) in alkaline soil- is that incorrect?
Let me see if I can find a chart for you. Here you go:
https://www.almanac.com/plant-ph
http://lazycompost.com/pH.shtml
You'll be a much more successful gardener if you know what plants will do well in your soil. Yours is pretty alkaline, I'm guessing you're probably in the west? Most places here in the east are pretty acid and I gardened in acid clay for years but now have the opposite - very rocky, limey, dry alkaline soil. BTW, test your soil in several spots. You can make it more neutral or acid with soil amendments like sulfur.
Most plants like neutral to a little bit acid but not all. Some will curl up and die in acid soil but will thrive in your alkaline soil.
Thanks.
You're welcome.
The planet is being terraformed for the Nephilim and Raphaim that these jackasses worship. DNA alteration is what the old testament is about. These elites consider themselves of the "Line of Cain". They are a CULT. As to flat earth, Dave Weiss has offered 2 bitcoin for years for ANYONE who can find or.prove there's a curve. He still has them and even market down, that's $40,000 minimum. Don't any scientists want 40k to prove Dave wrong? Also, WTAF can we not go to Antarctica to explore? Penguins? GMAFB.
Probably because it costs way more than that to charter a trip high enough to get footage of the undeniable globe. If one of these flat-earther's want to fund a space flight to get the proof, then i'll take them seriously.
The curve is 8 inches per mile squared. Do the math. Its incredibly basic. Its simple. You obviously have only looked into the first 20 items on your Google search. Also, they've been denied even with the money to fly, so there is that. Still at the propaganda phase, I see. I'm sorry. My sincere question is why would you ever believe anything KNOWN criminals have told you? Hmm? I'll wait..
You already know this (just backing you up). You've focused on the fundamental foundational question. Have you noticed that when discussing / debating the shape of the earth the other side seems to focus on everything (endless word salads) except the actual shape of the earth? There is a reason for that.
Every single earth curve calculator on the web will return essentially the same results within an insignificant margin of error. This one is my favorite ...
https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=10&unit=imperial
... because it provides the source code (from MIT) here:
https://github.com/dizzib/earthcalc
There is no way all of the earth curve calculation sites could get away with falsifying a formula to dramatically reduce hidden target heights because it would be too easy for mathematicians to call them out. The propaganda is so pervasive they know they don't have to. Censorship and mocking of strawman arguments take care of things quite effectively for them.
Extremely high optical zoom cameras have obliterated the globe earth (too late to claim a radius of over a hundred thousand miles) and it's not even close. Cognitive dissonance takes over. The pleasurable dopamine hit to the brain for having a superior intellect plays a role too.
Globe earth is the holy grail and the Cabal knows it. Flat earth must not be allowed to be true because if it were they wouldn't be able to get away with anything else (no Great Reset, no vax mandates, no more censorship, nothing).
Hoping my special friend is going to soon buy a P1000. Time to get to work. Lol. I agree, it does not matter what you tell them or show them, they are so incredibly indoctrinated. Jeez. I just quit with him. He probably thinks he won, little does he know, I don't really give a fuck if he sees it or not. I see it. That's what counts. God gave us all the ability to think for ourselves, the system does a fine job of destroying it.
Hi Fren. Letting you know about the reply to "escapefromearth" GAW member I just posted in this thread (it's a bit wordy but I hope impactful). IMO he or she hasn't been smug like your special friend so I thought I would give it a shot. I know he or she may see this too, but that's okay - not trying to hide anything.
It was great! And you are correct, there is no going back. Once awake, sleep is impossible. Thanks!!
I have an sincere request (not being snarky at all). Please visualize this related list of items.
Imagine standing about a football field length away from the Sears tower (I'm older - I still call it the Sears tower) in Chicago and tilting your head to look at the top. Now imagine how incredibly tall it would look with 10 Sears towers stacked on top of each other. Asking to really let that sink in.
According to a Google search you can't begin to visually detect the curve of the earth until you reach 35,000 (I've seen estimates as high as 100,000 feet, but I'm going with 35,000 because it is actually less favorable to my argument). At 35,000 feet the visible horizon ends at 229 miles.
Now imagine standing on a beach with a straight and long coastline (at least 229 miles). Assuming an eye height of 6 feet (that's taller than average, but I'm trying to be conservative with my argument). An object 229 miles away would have to be taller than 23 stacked Sears towers before you could begin to see any of it.
With a globe earth there is no honest debate against any of these statistics (oblate spheroid can't possibly have a material impact - remember the Big Blue Marble is a real photograph where no "oblateness" can be detected).
Your side is asking me to believe that the earth's curve CAN'T EVEN BEGIN to be visually detected until a height of at least 35,000 feet is reached. However, at that height's horizon an object would have to be over 34,000 feet high before someone with an eye height of 6 feet could even begin to see the top of it just starting to peek over the curve obstructing its view. Being straight with you I think that's ridiculous.
Extremely high optical zoom cameras like the Nikon P900 & P1000 have demonstrated impossibly visible hidden targets across a body of water over and over again (it's not even close to possible on the globe). Big tech does its best to censor these but they can be found. It's no coincidence that big tech does not censor, but instead their algorithms make it very easy to find the "Flat Earth Meetup People" or "Flat Earth Bongo Drum Beating / Spirit Bead Wearing Nuts".
All that stats I quoted can be confirmed here ...
https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=229&h0=6&unit=imperial
... with source code (from MIT) shown here:
https://github.com/dizzib/earthcalc
This is why anyone trying to convert a "flat earther" back to globe earth is unlikely to ever have any success with "look over here" arguments quoting all kinds of impressive scientific sounding words. They may have success convincing fence sitters to stay on the fence or move to the globe. The only way to have any chance of changing the mind of a grounded flat earther is to beyond any doubt disprove the impossible visually confirmed "hidden targets" that have been demonstrated over and over again. Flat Earth debunkers IMO tend to stay away from that for good reason because I suspect they know it can't honestly be done.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/egy31YwoBbz7/
https://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/in-force/acts/rain-making-control-act-1967/016
CHEMTRAILS! WHAT ON EARTH ARE THEY SPRAYING https://www.bitchute.com/video/9fCIbXZlDu2h/
"Why in the World are They Spraying?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfJO0-cTis
Thanks.
So-cal here. Memorial Day had the bluest clearest skies I’ve seen since the 80s. Absolutely gorgeous, I even remarked that the chemtrail pilots must have the day off (dropping redpills with a smirk)
Also a great documentary is geoengineeringwatch.org or .com “The Dimming”
I'll watch it, thanks.
We had a lot of chemtrails in our area on Memorial Day.
Yeah I'm just guessing really, I don't have nearly enough info about it. I still wonder if there's a big drop in spraying on federal holidays, even if there still is spraying in some places. If so, like I said, that'd be a very persuasive piece of information, I think.
I agree. Just trying to add to the data. These chemtrails make me so angry. I'm glad you're researching.
I watch the skies all the time and it did seem like the chem trailers had the weekend off initially, so I thought too.
On Memorial Day, it was full steam ahead and was seeing the dreaded trails again.
One can see the planes on ABS exchange, they are military after all; look for aircraft in the blues to purple color coded heights. Those are usually Boeing and the ones spraying.
Great tips, especially ABS exchange (which I did not know about), thanks!
We've been in a drought, and had unexpected rain yesterday. It always rains about a day after chem trails for us.
Climate change is real and manmade. Question is does man refer to all us little people or the government?
it's a perfect example of how someone will ignore what they SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES and offer excuse after excuse as to why they aren't seeing what their seeing
In my defense, the moment the trend of a few lingering contrails here and there (which was the case for my entire life so far) turned into half a hundred a day, I immediately recognized the obvious.
There's some great lynx in this thread. Thank you posters!
I live under a bunch of spruce trees, the falling needles makes our soil is super acidic, I put lime down a couple times of year (40lb / 1,000ft^s) which the grass loves-- along with 15 pounds of 16-16-16 fertilizer.
plant some blueberries there, they will love it.
This is what did it for me.
https://spaceweathernews.com/
If you check the space weather on those days you'll notice a correlation. The upper atmosphere changes due to solar storms, this is why contrails only appear intermittently.
There are two things this does not explain adequately to me. 1, the lingering contrails are never left by passenger airlines, always by untracked planes. I've never seen a plane leaving a lingering contrail which I could identify on the public plane trackers, they are always untracked. 2, why are these contrails almost exclusively seen in NATO and Five-Eyes nations? In South America, Africa, China, India, and Russia these sky-blanketing lingering contrail events simply do not seem to happen at all.
But, this is a fairly rational explanation, at least. Even if the spraying is secret and harmful, it is plausible that it is being done to protect the nation or world from solar storms (which could be a civilization ending event if we got hit by a serious one).
The Flat Earth is not merely suspect, but hooting-heron wrong.
Regarding "chemtrails," your epiphany started when you linked contrails to strong winds. You didn't bother to consider whether strong winds were related to weather conditions that would promote contrails. You are taking someone's word about what levels of aluminum in soil are "astronomical"---but took away the idea that pH was all important (to heck with aluminum). So you tested your soil. You don't know whether your soil ever had a history of pH being anything else, but you find that it was 7.9. With what error band? I don't see that you even bothered to ask. Another person below says that this may be no big deal. You don't say whether your plants ARE having trouble. So, I don't see that you have determined anything.
And now you are looking for a pattern. Why? Do you have reason to think there would be a pattern? What kind of pattern are you looking for? How would you know one if you saw it? Would you recognize a pattern based on Fibonacci numbers? You are in search of the face in the Rorschach blot.
No lingering contrails on a day that might have low atmospheric humidity? Yep, that's what happens when there is low atmospheric humidity. Did you check on that?
Do you see what you are doing? You don't understand contrails. You are trying to deal with them like they are sorcery. You are convinced that something sinister is going on, and you have no verified evidence of it. So now you are on a snipe hunt where every contrail is suspect and the continuing lack of evidence is taken as a deeply hidden plot. This is the paranoid inward spiral.
Don't be so credulous. If you are going to question anything, question these bogus videos that parlay this nonsense.
You come across like a shill, but I will respond in depth in hopes that others are not persuaded by your bullshit.
What I mean by suspect is not the the theory itself is possibly wrong but that the existence of the theory at all is probably a psyop. Many conspiracy theories are psyops to make conspiracy theories in general look stupid.
No, it didn't, it started when the pattern of a few lingering contrails switched to a pattern of dozens absolutely covering the sky every day. The strong winds are a secondary observation, but also completely damning. I have lived almost my entire life in this area of the country, and we have never had a situation where it was excessively windy, in spring no less, for 3 months straight.
No, I considered that and dismissed it. The time coincidences of the winds is ridiculous to ignore. These are winds as bad as we get in fall, which usually last a few days to a week, and are now lasting months.
They provided evidence of their claims, unlike you who merely engages in '25 Rules of Disinfo" tactics. I did not take away that PH is "all important", I took away that it is important. Aluminum DOES raise soil PH, and high PH DOES harm plants. Aluminum ALSO harms us directly, but that can be mitigated more easily than every inch of soil having PH too high for growing most plants.
I didn't bother to type all that out, didn't occur to me to waste everyone's time stating things that only intellectually dishonest shills would nitpick about. I have no way to know the natural PH of my soil, as the spraying has apparently been going on for my entire life. However, a person who runs a community farm where we often buy plants says that our soil should be around 7, and to grow food it's better to bring it down to 6.5.
They may be right, it may not be a big deal. Plants always have trouble where I live, it is a desert. However, this excessive spraying only started 3 months ago, and I've only started a serious food garden 6 months ago. How much it will affect the current crop is not known by me, I didn't set out to make my garden into a science experiment testing the effects of chemtrails I didn't know would suddenly ramp up in intensity by 20-30 fold. Your demand for such foresight is preposterous and moronic.
I've determined that chemtrails are real regardless of the significance or insignificance of the effect on my soil and plants, and your half-assed dismissal of the irrefutable truth by focusing on an irrelevant tangent is pathetic. Your disinfo tactics are ineffective at dissuading me.
To understand, and to find proof obvious enough to convince doubters that your position is a lie they've been told.
Everything in the universe has patterns.
Won't know until I see it, but no spraying on federal holidays would be a pretty good one for my purpose (though that seems to not be absolute, as others have pointed out).
How do you know the sun comes up and goes down every day? You sure you aren't just hallucinating that the pattern of day and night exist? Honestly, look at the questions you just asked, and marvel at the depths of stupidity you must stoop to in order to engage in your shilling. You're obviously a fairly smart person, behind this mask. Why devote yourself to acting like a moron for the sake of defending lies?
Seeing complex patterns is easy when you visualize them correctly. Take the Mandelbrot fractal. You can't "see" any pattern looking at the math formula (unless you're a math savant perhaps), it's too abstract. But, if you graph it the pattern is obvious. Thus, I asked fi the community knew of any data sets I could look at.
Lol, ridiculous. Why, for decades, has there never been a similar atmospheric event where the contrails of so many planes are suddenly lingering permanently despite extremely low humidity being the norm here? Gotta do better than that, lol. When it was just a few here and there, it was believable that there were narrow bands of atmosphere where the conditions were just right, and that narrow band would move up and down depending on relative humidity at the surface and the height of the cloud cover. For the lingering contrails to go from normal few to completely covering the sky almost every day would require a massive drop in average humidity from normal, and then random spikes up so high there are literally zero lingering contrails on clear days. But, that's not happening, we've got normal 8-10% humidity here, no measured change between the clear and overcast days. You expect me to believe that the atmosphere is fluctuating wildly in a way it never has before, but weather readings are remaining normal? You have GOT to do better than that, lol.
No, I do. I still believe it is possible for normal water vapor contrails to linger for hours. But, what the past 3 months have shown is that spraying of something IS happening, and thus likely a significant portion of the lingering contrails we've seen our whole lives were also some sort of aerosol spray, not merely water vapor contrails.
Lol, no I'm not, you moron.
I accept the possibility it is not sinister. Perhaps the spraying is the only thing that's saved us from runaway global warming or some Russian doomsday weapon like that other guy asserts. I doubt it, but I accept the possibility. However, shills like you are also circumstantial evidence of something sinister. Why bother sending losers to gaslight, straw man, side track, ridicule, and dismiss if not to hide something sinister? But hey, maybe you're just a free range idiot, and no one even pays you to spout this drivel. Many things are possible, lol.
Actually, since I started looking into it, and thanks to the posts by others here, there's an abundance of evidence rather than a lack. As in most of the plots by the enemy, they're not very hidden, if you just open your eyes and look. But, if you wanted me and others like me to be less paranoid, you should take very serious care to behave less like a shill. You glow pretty bright.
I did, for decades. I always say that it is important to be as skeptical of the conspiracy theories as of the public government explanations, because not only are the conspiracy theories themselves possibly alternate public government explanations, but at best we are dealing with muddied waters and incomplete data. But, whoever decided to ramp spraying up to ridiculous levels blew that plot. Now, it is too obvious that it's not simply water vapor up there, and some alternative explanation is the truth. Perhaps no one really has hit the nail right on the head, but certainly the truth is some shade of these theories, because there are only so many possible explanations for the data we do have.
Now then, begone shill.
I'm not a shill. I'm just a guy with 3 degrees in aeronautics and astronautics, having worked for a major airframe manufacturer for 40 years. I notice that the coherence of an argument begins to deteriorate when the proponent resorts to name-calling.
So, let's start from the beginning.
The Flat Earth is completely nuts, from both directions. (1) It is not true. (2) It is being promoted by either psyop guys or lunatics. And I think the same thing is true of "chemtrails."
So you thought something was different when the contrails went from few to many. This would be consistent with the upper air relative humidity increasing (a weather change). Contrails that formerly would not form, or be marginal, would now form and be persistent. A weather change could also explain the new wind pattern. You must be careful not to confuse correlation with causation. A happens coincident with B happening. If A is first, one thinks "A causes B." But the reality could just as easily be that C happens---and C causes A, and C causes B. This happens a lot. You don't have anything to make you think it wasn't a change in weather that causes both the contrail production and the strong winds. You ruled it out...but you didn't have a basis for doing so. Of course, it would be disappointing to think that what was going on was completely natural and nothing to do with "chemtrails." This is the problem of bias confirmation when looking at phenomena.
The person with the aluminum in the soil knew that the aluminum was being deposited how? Did he have a record of its increase over time? Did he know that it was coming from anywhere? Somewhere? Where? All this talk about pH and no mention of what the natural range of values are, or what the error band of the chemical assay was. The most elemental aspect of science is measurement and characterization. You don't have the quantitative basis for concluding anything was abnormal within measurement error. (That said, I am no fan of ingesting aluminum. But we do live in a natural world. I think that a control sample would have been needful.) Deserts are dusty places. It is not unthinkable that aluminum deposits (bauxite, corundum) may have spread dust throughout the desert environment. Volcanic events distribute mineral ash throughout the world. Meteors shower down from the sky and deposit 52,000 tons of dust every year. Plenty of ways for aluminum to appear in soil, none of which involve conspiracy.
I'll leave it at that, with the caution that suspicion and plausibility are not proof of anything. Unless you have something you can use to accuse someone in a court of law, you have nothing. How much time do you want to waste?
Then stop acting like a shill. Your intellectual dishonesty is despicable. Your degrees were given to you by people who openly want you dead, and you think they told you no lies? Also, how do degrees in aeronautics, astronautics, and airframe manufacture make you an expert about weather and atmospheric chemistry? Oh right, they don't. Smarter and more relevantly credentialed people than you agree with me on this, why not defer to their authority as you demand I defer to yours?
You were the one who started this by being a dickhead in every way you could, but because you technically didn't name call you're the virtuous one? Lol, fuck off.
There was no humidity increase, it has been a VERY dry spring.
I have multiple avenues of evidence that all point to the same explanation, backing up that the correlation is causative.
Yes, I do, there was no weather change.
Yes, I did. Your unwillingness to comprehend it is a problem with you, not me.
If indeed you are not a shill, then it is actually you who is confirming your own bias. You need to confront reality, and I do not say this as a person without guilt, until 3 months ago I thought exactly as you do. instead of looking at this theory from a lens of "how can I make this wrong?" look at it from a lens of "this might be the truth, even if it looks wrong to me, so how can the ways in which it looks wrong to me be explained?" You may come to very different conclusions.
Chemtrail spraying is not happening uniformly across the world, many places are untouched. Honestly, if you want to argue this go examine the actual claims and evidence before making these retarded attempts at gotchas.
You're a fucking moron. I said that 6-7 was normal, and where most plants thrive.
Irrelevant to the discussion, just more shill disinfo tactics.
You're making shit up with no evidence, while simultaneously assuming the chemtrail alarmists have no evidence, but in reality they have a lot of very good, scientifically sound evidence, and you're just a moron straining as hard as he can to keep his eyes shut.
Of course not, but they are cause to investigate.
Lol, the chemtrail community DOES have evidence that strong.
Trying to prevent the death of our civilization via starvation by soil toxification is not a waste of time. talking to you sure seems to be though, lol.
A background in aeronautics and astronautics includes familiarity with the structure of the atmosphere. The upper atmosphere has a different humidity than the lower atmosphere. The absolute humidity is lower, but the relative humidity can be higher. Relative humidity is the key to contrail formation and persistence. Relative humidity at ground level is no indicator of relative humidity above 30,000 feet. Your remark about the evil intentions of my instructors is sheer paranoid delusion. You don't know anything about them, or have any reason to dispute the veracity of what I am trying to explain.
I didn't "technically" name call. I didn't name call at all. Nor did I curse at you.
Now it appears that you have all kinds of corroborative evidence---which you don't provide---and I am supposed to be impressed and stop asking questions. Sorry. You still don't have anything on the table.
You complain about the abnormal change in wind strength, timed closely to the appearance of more contrails---and yet you say there was "no change in the weather." Backtracking. Wind strength characteristics are certainly part of "the weather." And changes in contrail appearance also indicate changes in "the weather." It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it, too.
I am approaching this from the standpoint of someone with scientific training. You are not. There is always the null hypothesis (this is all normal). It takes quite a bit to justify moving away from it.
For example, soil pH. Good old Wikipedia provides the information that the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture categorizes soils according to pH ranges from 3.5 to 9.0. The U.S. has swaths of predominantly acidic or alkaline soil. Alkaline soil can come from the erosion of aluminosilicate rock, and dust from mining sites, power plants, or incinerators. Aluminum toxicity is greater in acidic soils. Plants have variable pH ranges from lows near 3 to highs near 8. Do you begin to see how "chemtrails" is an exceptional explanation for something that is understood to be essentially natural? I get the impression that you don't do your own homework.
So, I am not "making shit up." Not in the least. That is your psychological defense mechanism for something you can't answer---just deny it. Have the "chemtrail" scientists put their discoveries into a book with references? I would be interested to know if any such document exists. Science is primarily an effort in replication of results, so a complete description of their research, evidence, and conclusions would be needed to change people's minds.
And if there is enough to win a criminal case, why hasn't one been filed?
Yes, I do, because it's become abundantly clear to me that what you believe and assert is a lie, and if you were told these lies in school then somewhere up the chain, a liar convinced the rest of you of this lie.
No, you didn't, you were just a condescending piece of shit who took every opportunity to straw man, misrepresent, gaslight, and just generally act like a shill.
No, you are supposed to go look at the evidence for yourself like an adult. Or, do you need your hand held in order to learn, Mr 3 Degrees in Aeronautics and Astronautics?
Not that I've gone to the trouble to share with you, since there'd be no point whatsoever.
Nah, you're just incapable of reading what I say with any intellectual honesty. YOU claimed that humidity was the factor, and I said humidity remained the same, and that for chemtrails to fluctuate from dozens of times normal levels to zero, back and forth, would require radical humidity changes, and radically abnormal humidity. There was no such humidity change at surface level, thus "no weather change." But, instead of responding to what I actually said, you cherry pick out a small part that you can pretend I said without context and argue against that. Now, if you're so right, why the need to argue so dishonestly?
As I said, there are scientists with better credentials than you who agree with me. I am following their approach, and their evidence. You are not following any evidence at all, just asserting authority.
It isn't normal though. There has never been free aluminum in the rain in the history of the planet, there has never been significant amounts of free aluminum in the soil in the history of the planet. If you call yourself a follower of science, then go fucking look at the data instead of pretending you already know it. Go really confront the claims, run the same experiments and prove them wrong. You won't be able to, because what I've said is simply true. Aluminum is being sprayed into the atmosphere in massive amounts.
I'm beginning to believe you are not intelligent behind your mask of shill tactics. What you've posted here in no way whatsoever contradicts what I've said.
No, because nothing you've said has caused me the slightest doubt in my observation of the obvious and the validity of the compounding evidence. In fact, the incredible stupidity and intellectual dishonesty of a supposed aeronautical engineer in trying to argue against this evidence only serves to make me more sure. If it wasn't true, you'd have an easy time demonstrating it without relying completely on shill tactics.
Lol, and you do? You have no fucking clue what the claims even are about chemtrails, you just dismiss it out of hand because you've got 3 degrees so you obviously know enough to not even hear the argument. You're a joke, go say that to a mirror, lol.
Yeah, you are. You're not only making up dumb assumed evidence you don't have, but also making up dumb assumed arguments and lack of evidence by chemtrail alarmists, and also making up dumb arguments on my behalf to straw man me. I'd go so far as to say most of what you've said is you arguing with an elaborate fantasy of what you think I and others are saying, far removed from reality.
Lol, yeah they have, many. Goodness, you're a dumb ass. Honestly, you could take like one second to think about that claim and realize "well, duh, even if they're wrong they'll have published a hundred referenced books about it" and not said that. Or, you could have taken two seconds to check if they had.
No, that is incorrect. Because, they already have this, yet you remain steadfastly ignorant. You could find this data in a few minutes, just as I did, but you don't. You demand its existence, assert its nonexistence as an argument, but even if you're presented with it (links leading to such data and research have been posted to this very thread by several people), you ignore it, and scream at the top of your arrogant lungs that it doesn't exist.
Many have, they generally get tossed on technicalities, just like all the election lawsuits. Or, do you think the election was totally legit, too? And there's no corruption in the justice system?
I will admit up front, I don't have the stomach for hugely extended responses. I find they vitiate the point(s) under discussion.
This comes down to your declaration I am a liar, of which you have no evidence. You make claims that you can't support with anything but allegations. I have a successful 40-year career in engineering that did result in material systems operating. So, I shrug my shoulders at your claim of knowing better; you don't. I have the proofs; you have nothing. I am willing to share and educate, but you are willing only to pronounce and condescend.
So, goodbye. You are not willing to address the points I am trying to make (e.g., the pervasiveness of aluminum soil contamination), and I know when it is useless to continue.
I didn't call you a liar, I said what you've said is a lie. You might be the victim of the lie rather than a perpetrator.
Nah, I can support them just fine, and have. Your claims are what cannot be supported.
Your career is irrelevant. There are 40 year practicing doctors who have administered hundreds of thousands of doses of vaccines, causing untold negative effects for virtually no upside, certain the entire time that they were doing what was best for their patients.
I did not say I know better, I said there are people better credentialed than you who know better. Amazing that no matter what is said you can't respond to it honestly.
You have NO proof. You only have your worthless authority.
You are not willing to share or educate, or that's what you would do. You seem only willing to deride, seeing as that's all you've done.
I have not condescended to you unprovoked, you started it.
You've made no points that I have not addressed, you gaslighting shill. Go test your soil and the air for aluminum. Go fly through the clouds left by the unmarked planes every single day, which show up on no open source flight trackers, and prove they aren't spraying aluminum. Until you do that, your standard of proof for your position is ZERO compared to the standard of proof being brought by the chemtrail alarmists.