I'm way beyond letting anyone parse or play games with language here. The 2020 election (and many before it, by the way) was a fraud on all of us. I don't care who did it or what statutory language it falls under. Call it a theft of our most precious civil liberty - the right to choose our elected officials. Call it sedition, treason, an act of war, corruption, a criminal conspiracy, a RICO violation, whatever.
But it is also fraud which is a good catchall term for all of these things.
I don't let Barr parse his way out of it whether for good or bad purposes.
We all need to talk about our sham elections with the strongest possible terms. Fraud does just fine.
Wisconsin we know they broke election laws in nursing homes. It's fraud-adjacent, but it's not manufactured ballots.
Georgia and Arizona were similar in how they used mules to get harvested ballots thrown into the pile. Again, fraud adjacent, but not phantom votes.
Pennsylvania is just an absolute shitshow. Specifically Philadelphia. There probably was actual fraud here, but also a LOT of harvesting/mules as well.
So while the 'fraud' number is certainly in the tens of thousands in each state, the hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of votes in the mule/harvesting scheme are something else entirely.
Barr laughs because he is an ex Clowns In America operative, as well as being a Bush Sr. appointee. Barr also laughs because he sabotaged Trump. Barr isn’t a Patriot, just another Deep State plant
Barr is always pretty careful with his statements about voter fraud. Usually something along the lines of 'not seeing enough evidence to change the outcome of the election'. This could mean that they had everything in place to track the votes in real time (or near real time) and the outcome as they see it, is that Trump won. This would seem to techically be true if we believe that devolution is in place and that DC is now occupied enemy territory. Which is required to activate the laws of war correct? 11.2 If I remember right.
My thought is that he was laughing at the foolishness of the asker.
More like "Does this fucking simpleton not research? Anons have all the information and are putting everything together. Why can't this asshole? Journalists suck donkey balls."
He used to say specifically "no widespread fraud", where widespread has no particular meaning. That's how one could tell a lie without lying, via deception and weasel words.
Widespread can mean just about anything they want to interpret it as. "20 states had fraud?" That's less than half the states...sorry not widespread.
But when we have such a thing as a SWING STATE then the election can be fraudulent even without widespread fraud. Just one state is all it takes. Just one recount. Etc.
That's what I think. He is playing a part.
Election interference with foreign involvement
"foreign involvement"...NOT Fraud...An act of WAR!
Even WORSE than voter fraud!
Executive Order 13848: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with this threat.....
ZakLee
I'm way beyond letting anyone parse or play games with language here. The 2020 election (and many before it, by the way) was a fraud on all of us. I don't care who did it or what statutory language it falls under. Call it a theft of our most precious civil liberty - the right to choose our elected officials. Call it sedition, treason, an act of war, corruption, a criminal conspiracy, a RICO violation, whatever.
But it is also fraud which is a good catchall term for all of these things.
I don't let Barr parse his way out of it whether for good or bad purposes.
We all need to talk about our sham elections with the strongest possible terms. Fraud does just fine.
So that means that Barr isn't parsing words? He thinks what he's saying is the truth?
All elections past & present for important elections are fixed.
Hmmm. That's a good point. Certainly the mules were violating election law, but fraud might have a specific legal meaning.
Yes! It wasn't VOTER fraud, it was ELECTION fraud. Nice take!
Don’t you think he would clarify that statement so he can still walk down the street?
I got some words for him if I see him out
I want to throw fried chicken at him
[spit take] you win GAW today, sir.
I've thought about that before, too.
There is a difference btwn fraud and theft. Trump keeps saying they stole it, Barr may be saying it too. It was stolen, not through fraud though
I don't disagree.
'Fraud' is kind of a red herring in this case.
Wisconsin we know they broke election laws in nursing homes. It's fraud-adjacent, but it's not manufactured ballots.
Georgia and Arizona were similar in how they used mules to get harvested ballots thrown into the pile. Again, fraud adjacent, but not phantom votes.
Pennsylvania is just an absolute shitshow. Specifically Philadelphia. There probably was actual fraud here, but also a LOT of harvesting/mules as well.
So while the 'fraud' number is certainly in the tens of thousands in each state, the hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of votes in the mule/harvesting scheme are something else entirely.
Barr laughs because he is an ex Clowns In America operative, as well as being a Bush Sr. appointee. Barr also laughs because he sabotaged Trump. Barr isn’t a Patriot, just another Deep State plant
"Barr laughs because".
A psychic? A confidante? Conflating armchair guesses with established facts?
Barr is always pretty careful with his statements about voter fraud. Usually something along the lines of 'not seeing enough evidence to change the outcome of the election'. This could mean that they had everything in place to track the votes in real time (or near real time) and the outcome as they see it, is that Trump won. This would seem to techically be true if we believe that devolution is in place and that DC is now occupied enemy territory. Which is required to activate the laws of war correct? 11.2 If I remember right.
My thought is that he was laughing at the foolishness of the asker.
More like "Does this fucking simpleton not research? Anons have all the information and are putting everything together. Why can't this asshole? Journalists suck donkey balls."
He used to say specifically "no widespread fraud", where widespread has no particular meaning. That's how one could tell a lie without lying, via deception and weasel words.
Note the use of the word "widespread":
https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/us/politics/william-barr-voter-fraud.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/596750-barr-says-he-told-trump-that-election-fraud-claims-were-bulls/
Widespread can mean just about anything they want to interpret it as. "20 states had fraud?" That's less than half the states...sorry not widespread.
But when we have such a thing as a SWING STATE then the election can be fraudulent even without widespread fraud. Just one state is all it takes. Just one recount. Etc.
I'm under the impression of optics at this point.