I haven't studied this subject, myself. Now knowing what I do, not much would surprise me. However, what I could see happening is NASA hiring hollywood directors to create films to augment shots they couldn't get. So basically, I think it's very possible that even having gone to the moon, some stuff was filmed on earth and passed off as moon shots. They probably didn't even consider it wrong .. just 'filling in the gaps' for the masses.
This is exactly what i think happened. Iv studied it a lot through the years. I absolutely think we went, but i do believe most of the public footage was faked. It makes perfect sense seeing how we were in the cold war at the time. The gov would have had backup footage at the ready in case anything went wrong or if something was there that threatened national security they didn't want on film.
Or it was all a dry run for the sake of getting the astronauts familiar with their moves, and the photographers familiar with the scene, setting, and lighting conditions.
No. Because the astronauts would place the cameras and, ipso facto, be the cameramen. If that's too hard to think about, just don't. You will have to face it eventually.
I get it. You guys are so brain dead, you would actually send people to the Moon for the first time in Creation without any dry run exercises to work out the bugs in the equipment or operational plan.
This is a very sensitive topic for the glowies and shills. They are under "Order 66" to takedown anyone exposing the truth on it. If the fake moon landings get exposed the public, their whole house of cards crumbles. This is why they attack it so aggressively.
Fake moon landings = questions about moon = NASA lying = questions about Earth = geologists lying = questions about space = astronomers lying = questions about physics = Einstein misleading about gravity = questions about electromagnetism = End of elites.
Aw gee, another FLAT EARTH discussion. Same category. We know that antigravity craft have been in operation since at least the latter part of WW2. Obviously they've been to the moon.
Yes. Us skeptical retards keep veering off...it is frustrating, but people mind-controlled for so long take a while to deprogram. I think they declassed some of the Anti-gravity patents in January 2021. I have been reviewing some info to see if they are legit or a psyop. FE gets attacked, so viciously.
The most convincing argument I’ve heard about the moon landing being faked is that a human being wouldn’t be able to survive radiation exposure in the Van Allan radiation belt. In my book, the jury is still out on this topic. Besides, if they faked the moon landing, imagine the millions (billions in todays dollars) that could have been funneled into CIA and DS black projects around the world.
Nearly everything presented by corporate fascist “mass” media, “history” books and “academics” since WWII was and is a lie including the “moon landing” which was debunked by the BBC, the fact pattern that details the shenanigan including the “accidental” deletion of the original footage, actual science, coded speech from Neil Armstrong and the officially released 2nd hand footage itself.
No problem getting through the Van Allen belt. You just zip through at thousands of miles per hour. There is no loitering, and the belts are relatively close to the Earth. They do not extend to the Moon.
The "radiation" consists of high-energy electrons and protons. No gamma rays, alpha particles, or neutrons. Much of it may be mitigated by shielding.
There is no evidence "that a human being wouldn't be able to survive radiation exposure in the Van Allen radiation belt." There is only evidence that they did.
We did it before, and I don't think you can pull up any NASA statement that it is death to transit the belts. It's not healthy, of course, and anything we can do to mitigate the exposure is better for the astronauts. Kind of like automobile safety. People work on it all the time, but not because we would die from driving an automobile.
I think you don't know anything about the subject, frankly, and are just cherry-picking your favorite (unnamed) Authority.
“ There is no evidence "that a human being wouldn't be able to survive radiation exposure in the Van Allen radiation belt." There is only evidence that they did.”
That’s if you believe we actually went to the moon.
Of course there is “belief” necessary. You “believe” those rocks that are in a museum somewhere actually came from the moon and not from somewhere here on earth. It wouldn’t be the first time someone passed of a counterfeit as the real thing. Like I said in my original comment; in my book the jury is still out on the subject.
You don't have any process for the jury to make a conclusion. All the evidence you need is already present. I believe that somebody went to the Moon because I saw it happen in full view before the world. A Saturn V is not "fake and gay" (as some would maintain). One does not create an entire industry for the sake of a motion picture.
There is the principle of a working hypothesis. On the basis of what you know, take a posture. It's okay to listen to anyone who has something worthwhile to say. But you have to know more than those who parade their misunderstanding and ignorance for evidence of mystery and deception.
”I believe that somebody went to the moon because I saw it happen in full view before the world.”
No, you saw a Saturn rocket launch into the atmosphere and continue to ascend until it was no longer visible. You have no proof that there were men aboard that rocket nor that it actually went to the moon. The only “proof” you have is that “officials” told the world that Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins were aboard the rocket and the rocket actually went to the moon. And as we’ve discovered over these last several years “officials” never lie. <sarc>
“One does not create an entire industry for the sake of a motion picture.”
I don’t think the vast majority of moon landing deniers believe an entire industry was created to make a motion picture. If I’m in the moon landing denial camp, I would argue that the “industry” as you describe it was an offshoot of the military (remember the first rockets, Redstone and Atlas, were in fact military ballistic missiles). So the industry was already in existence for other reasons and they just poured more money into it for project Apollo. That additional money could very easily have been funneled off for DS/Cabal black projects around the world. What if project Apollo was begun with every intention of going to the moon but it was later discovered that it was technically impossible to do at the time but the nation was already so committed to the project and “beating” the Soviet Union, that it would have been unthinkable to admit to the world that we couldn’t do it? Therefore, continue with the project, get congress to appropriate hundreds of millions of dollars to the project, many civilian products could be “discovered” and hundreds of millions could be funneled off foe black projects? It’s not unthinkable. It happens even today.
We saw the astronauts get into the capsule. A vehicle like the Saturn V just doesn't "ascend until it was no longer visible"---and then what? Loiter in outer space for 3 days and then re-enter? I rather think the Russians would have said we have no clothes at that point. That's the problem with "maybe..." scenarios; they can never work without being exposed.
I worked with the people who built that system and integrated it. It was no fake. The vehicle and capsule were being tracked by nations all over the world. There is only evidence for it happening.
A whole industry was created to sustain that mission. I come from that industry. It happened whether Moon Hoax nitwits believe it or not. The demise of huge portions of that industry is why we cannot resume production of the Saturn V. The Saturn V is far in excess of any requirements for a military missile. The engine systems have no application to military missions. The whole launching system was unique. The Command, Service, and Lunar modules were unique. There is common technology but the industrial base for Apollo was unique and extensive, more massive than the military programs alone.
Since we actually went to the Moon, it is idle to imagine otherwise. We weren't entirely sure we could do it, either, but we were not going to give up without a supreme effort. You have no idea of the morale of the program. Your scenario is a pipe dream.
Did I ask this? Are you old enough to have witnessed these historical events? Or are you coming to your skepticism because you don't know anything first hand?
7 words. Stanley Kubrick on military base, June 1968.
Q post indicates we have landed on moon, just not publicly via Apollo. It was literally a movie. Stanley Kubrick made 2 movies. First released 1968, second one 1969.
Kubrick murdered in 1999 after revealing too much in “Eyes Wide Shut” with rumored plans to reveal his role in moon landing deception.
oops...mentioned illuminati "secrets"...getting mass downvoted now.
Why would there be "cratering" under the lander? The thrust was not great (low lunar gravity) and the surface powder was thin. Solid rock underneath. It was like clearing sand off a kitchen counter with a hair dryer. See, you don't think about these things.
The feed from the Moon was live.
The "evidence" is, to use a phrase, "fake and gay." There is no "evidence." There is only ignorance (e.g., above about cratering).
New technology coming down the road (SpaceX). You don't believe we have "lost" the technology for the Saturn V and Apollo capsule? We are building capsules again, if that will make you happy. The F-1 engines are gone forever. There were efforts to reinstate their manufacture and use them again, but there were hundreds of components for which the vendors had gone out of business. The effort to re-qualify new parts and vendors would have been tantamount to doing the development program all over again. Read your history.
I've never seen what you allege. Suspension systems cannot duplicate the behavior of rock dust in a vacuum under low gravity, which is possible only on the Moon.
They ran / walked very fast, so their motion seemed normal speed, when actually they were moving fast and tape slowed down to make it appear like no/ low gravity for other objects, like the dropping hammer etc. That they did.
Look at this 1 min video, you can see 2 things, one is the light reflecting off of the wire holding him at one point. Second, and most importantly, the wire 'jerks' him up when he was on the ground.
Okay. I've looked at it. For one thing, the image is full of static artifacts, and you always have to be on guard not to confuse an artifact for something real.
For another, what you are seeing is evidently a slender, short antenna from the top of the backpack (for telemetry back to the LEM on life support status). >>There is no indication of weight loads depending from it.<< The "wire" does not "jerk" him off the ground; he pushes himself up off the ground. You have to realize that even if he weighs 240 pounds on Earth, he weighs only 40 pounds on the Moon.
You have fooled yourself by imagining things that are not there. You have turned life into a Rorschach blot.
Nothing secret about the Apollo program. All out in the open. You have some mental problem about accepting that it happened. Somewhere, a pet idee fixe would be jeopardized if you were to accept it. You WANT to believe you are surrounded by lies...and, as a result, you make up lies of your own.
yes, I think the moon landing was fake. an absurd idea that they pushed on the world to get us to believe in their stories about creation & space.
listen to JFK explain how crazy it all sounds, but he plays along with it. how he breaks down how quickly man has went from the steam engine to space...
Very likely. All of the silly B movies of “Nazis on the moon” are likely soft disclosure of the truth. Moon is likely closer than NASA says, but what better way to reinforce their BS moon distance and nature of Earth lies than a “long, dangerous 3 day journey” over a satanic holiday (July 19-22) in 1969, 1 year after 2001 was released as pre-programming (and filmed as practice for the “moon landings” which were directed by Stanley Kubrick in June 1968 on a military base with a “studio”)
and this^ is why i love to hang out with you guys, you can think beyond...what 'they' tell us. and didn't know that about about the release of movie...makes so much sense now. And that was also around the time of I dream of Jeannie, they really got a lot of bang for their buck with that one.
Yes. The actual mechanism for the "lunar landing movie" was a plane flying slow over the desert recording terrain details, then they made this "terrain flyover video" black&white and modified frame rate to match a "simulated lander speed". Unclear if they used a bombing range already with craters or created some specifically for this "filming".
But the big giveaway in the "movie" is the angle and type of the shadows in all the moon landing photos that indicates studio lighting; and the flimsy lunar lander without enough structural strength to support the estimated impact forces of a landing (with its presumed mass of 2 astronauts, supplies, and re-launch fuel, all times the Gload of impact). This is why the joyriding rover is just ridiculous...
Oops...Getting mass downvoted now...shills and glowie suppression order 66 in effect?
interesting & haven't seen the movie in years, so will be fun to watch with this^ in mind. and yes, always the downvotes when we analyze space too much;)
but it does keep me focused; if they 'hate' it, must be on to something.
"2001: A Space Odyssey" will pop your head if you understand that it is a documentary effectively of the cabal's satanic religion of turning man into god via technology (ref. transhumanism movement). This movie was made for the cabal. Note that Saturn represents their "lightbringer" satan/lucifer and a "black cube" or "black stone" represents a satanic/demonic entity manipulating mankind. Human 1.0 is being replaced by those that follow their "religion" to be Human 2.0, thus the giant fetus at the end, being "reborn" into the service of Lucifer. Also, HAL = H+1 letter, A+1 letter, L+1 letter = IBM; IBM has been involved in satanic/occult/Nazi crap since WW2 and they seeded Microsoft (Bill Gate's mom worked for IBM); This is why everyone who is NOT cabal has the same reaction to this movie:
What the fuck did I just watch?
-Non-cabal viewers of "2001: A Space Odyssey"
William Cooper has a good analysis of this movie. I think it is his Out of Babylon audio recordings of his radio broadcasts. Few make the connection between "2001" the movie and the events of the year 2001. I know it is hard to believe that events were planned out 33 years in advance of 2001 in 1968, but look at that number and reconsider, please.
No. Stupid comments. The video mixed in real Moon flight footage with the other crap. It amazes me that you can deny government footage that is traceable, and swallow bootleg crap put together by No One.
Do you really think that we would send people to the Moon and perform no dry run exercises for what they would do to exit the vehicle and perform activities on the Moon?
The "silly B movies" are merely silly B movies. No truth necessary for FICTION.
The Moon is as far as it is stated. Measured by optical trigonometry. And by radar. Consistent with Newton's law of gravity.
What "Satanic holiday"? You guys come up with the creepiest occult nonsense.
Was Kubrick anywhere? Prove it. This video only substantiates the idea that NASA was staging a rehearsal for the real thing. Since Kubrick had already gotten advice from the guys at Marshall Space Flight Center, he would have been an obvious consultant on how to set it up. As I said, it is common military practice to do rehearsals or dry runs for important operations.
This is an untrustworthy video. There is no verification that the audio track was synched with the video. The video is a hodge-podge of footage from the lunar mission and known training activities. What this appears to show is a rehearsal of the Moon landing---which only makes sense, if you really don't want the astronauts to exit the lander and walk on the Moon for the first time when it happens. These are ex-military people. It is common practice in the military to mock up target zones for training rehearsals if special operations are to take place. There is no assurance that whoever edited this together didn't also insert contrived material.
Can't refute a thing I say, can you? Your "narrative" is a fantasy. I've only spent 40 years in aerospace engineering, mentored by the guys who made it happen. All you have is name-calling and castigation to offer.
You've never heard of radiation shielding? It is a well-understood concept, even 80 years ago. That would be for the photographs. The TV images were transmitted directly. The cameras were shielded enough that cosmic radiation was not a problem. Van Allen radiation is not present at the Moon. Really? This is what you have been thinking?
Nonsense. The specific shielding materials depend on the nature of the radiation. If there are no neutrons or gamma rays, the requirements are relaxed as to the amount of mass required. I guess you've "heard" of it, but you don't know anything about it. The amount of shielding is also dependent on the allowable dose and the integrated duration of the exposure. It wasn't 2 feet of solid lead.
NASA is fake and gay AF. Some of the video footage of the international space station is so fake it is woeful. The Space Force is not fake. I bet they don’t collaborate.
What I think is it is most likely true and those involved in the fraud: astronauts, NASA, camera crew, etc. need to be prosecuted for fraud. Then I want to know where the money was diverted to. How many other space flights were faked, as well as deaths? Was Space Force created to explore legitimate space exploration?
Space Force is likely part of bringing pieces of the Secret Space Program public bit by bit. You are over target here. All of that funding was likely diverted to the Secret Space Program and other places. Ever wonder why public technology (except surveillance and simulation related) has not really progressed significantly since ~1962? It has just been incremental optimization as the breakthrough stuff is all "BLACK".
Yes, the money ALWAYS goes elsewhere. Look at the Ukraine. Billions to Ukraine, but Ukraine can’t pay debts. Look at money funneled to out of country bank accounts to Zelensky-some money to Ukraine and the rest to politicians and Deep State actors.
Compare the drug trafficking going on in Golden Triangle during Vietnam War 1964-1973 to the drug trafficking going on in Afghanistan 2002-2021. This was the actual operation, the "war" was just cover. Wars are used for cover for other things, this is why they go on "forever" or without any clear purpose or objective. It is license to neutralize enemies, print money, traffic people, traffic guns, traffic drugs, et. al. This particular cabal play has been run since at least the Civil War. Where do you think all the superwealthy Carnegies, Rockefellers, robber barons etc. got started? They were all gun runners and criminals ripping off the gov't during the Civil War.
You don't believe that Neil Armstrong and other men went to the moon? You forgot that they left lots of stuff on the moon. For example, Apollo astronauts left retroreflectors (three of them) on the lunar ground. Scientists use laser to "bounce" back to Earth for measuring the distance between the moon & earth.
Whoever said that the moon landings were fake is real dumb.
Something went to the moon. Something came back. Observatories around the world were watching and tracking visually whenever they came within line of sight. The Russians and their allies were watching intently and spying. If the moon landing and return trip were faked, do people believe that the Soviets would not have published the fact that it was a fraud? Civilians can be duped, but the Soviets were not idiots. They damn sure had no reason to go along with the lie. The evidence is definitely questionable on both sides, but logically I have a hard time grasping that it was all faked, unless it was a worldwide conspiracy. It was a huge symbolic win against Russia and the Iron Curtain nations. I would think that if it was fake, there would have been allegations from Russia and their allies with proof. The folks who are adamant about this topic, one way or the other are displaying fan boi status. Keep an open mind. It may have been faked or it may be real, either way, it does zero to help us today. What the hell are people arguing about?
Playing devil’s advocate, what we’ve all learned over these last several years is that the DS/Cabal is in just about every country in the world, including the Russia/Old Soviet Union. This global plandemic is certainly a “world wide conspiracy” and yet billions of people believe it.
I didn't witness the launch, and return personally, so I make no firm commitment. I would like to believe we did achieve this epic milestone, but I really don't have a dog in the fight, so I just don't get the vehemence folks argue about this.
Agreed. I don’t know one way or the other either. But if it’s possible to have faked it, given everything I’ve learned over the last several years about the DS/Cabal and the deception they’ve perpetrated against humanity, it wouldn’t surprise me.
There have been some revelations about worldwide conspiracies that has created doubt about most of the things I thought I knew. Most of these things are about inconsequential data that isn't critical to my life or important in the grand scheme of things, but the awareness has made me look at events differently today. When we see large investment corps buying up private homes, Bill Gates buying farmland and investing heavily in Vaccines, forced EUA medical garbage, it all looks very suspicious to me and knowing that worldwide conspiracies exist, it isn't only possible, it is probable. The questioning of everything that I thought I knew has made me aware that the world is very strange and that we are under attack and have been for a long time. This is what brought most of is here, this is what red pills are all about.
It was real, and there is no benefit in denying the truth. This idea of "keeping an open mind" is just an unwillingness to sort truth from lies---which is a desire to keep lies in play, perpetually.
Open minds require actual evidence, not conspiracy theories or fabulous imaginary scenarios.
Perhaps, perhaps not. If anything has been revealed to me is that I shouldn't take a hardline stance on anything I haven't done proven my very self. I question everything now, unless I can personally confirm or deny it. I will listen and view all evidence, but I still won't go all in and assault anyone else's beliefs. I may think some folks are silly, but I won't disparage them. Spirited disagreement is fun, but keep it light.
At some point, you will have to trust your life to what you know...and it is impossible to verify all knowledge personally. People ask me if I gamble, and my answer is "only with my life."
The best armor of truth is a broad knowledge that connects subject matter together. If the span of knowledge integrates, that is a good sign that it does so because it is true. Nature is far more complicated than any conspiracy could ever hope to be.
You have to continue to operate and function with certain beliefs. Those beliefs may be very convincing and be strongly linked to evidence that asserts their validity, however rejecting any new evidence that is contradictory to your beliefs is the problem with science and many other people today. If new evidence is presented, I approach it with some skepticism, and analyze the evidence carefully to determine validity. If I find it true, I don't necessarily abandon my original belief, I just take it into consideration and weigh the new evidence against the body of other evidence and determine that my belief may be wrong, but definitely need to investigate further into all the evidence to find out if there are flaws in some of the evidence. My basic point is that I try to keep an open mind and not lash out against people without careful consideration.
Give me "new evidence" and I will consider it. ALL evidence must cohere. You don't need to lecture me about science. Read about the work of Halton Arp if you want to see "new evidence."
There is so little to doubt about the Apollo program, there is no "new evidence." Someone here already mentioned the laser and radar retroreflectors that were set down on the Moon, that are still in use today. Not possible if they weren't set there. All the cavils about the images from the Moon are ignorant of the condition on the Moon and the limitations of photography. The argument that men cannot pass through the Van Allen belts is an urban myth, disproved by their factual passage. It is exasperating. You talk like you are some defender of science, but I find that tone to be quite easily adopted by those who really do not know much of science, much less have an academic or professional specialty in it. Real science is often contrary to "common sense." As Galileo discovered about falling weights.
I understand what you are saying, but "real science" is all about questioning everything. There is nothing ever proven beyond doubt. There is always doubt. There is always room to learn more and accepted fact is regularly modified with advances in understanding. When you espouse something as an irrefutable fact, you are no longer a scientist, you are a adherent. I get that you want to throw shade about my qualifications as a scientist, and that is your right. I am not the top of my field, but I am well respected. I have worked in a research lab since 2002, prior to that I worked around the world and have visited 44 countries in my work. I am not the top in my field, but I am the top of my particular discipline. It is a very narrow discipline, so it is not as glorious as some would think, but the majority of science disciplines are extremely narrow in focus. That is the only way to get to be the best, unless you are a super genius and I definitely do not make that claim. My penultimate point is to always challenge your beliefs, accept nothing as fact beyond reproach. Keep an open mind and take care not to cast stones, because we all have built our beliefs in glass houses. The reason the Awakening is so difficult to achieve is that most people cannot have their beliefs in the facts that they know challenged. They simply state facts that they have learned and accepted as irrefutable and will hear nothing from any others unless it reinforces their currently held beliefs. I truly believe that there is nothing beyond our reach, if we can survive our own failings. We have incredible potential to achieve the impossible. It takes many lifetimes and possibly eons, if we can survive as a species, the human race will be capable of achieving anything if we can keep from sabotaging ourselves. I hope we can and will, but as I said before, there is always doubt.
I haven't studied this subject, myself. Now knowing what I do, not much would surprise me. However, what I could see happening is NASA hiring hollywood directors to create films to augment shots they couldn't get. So basically, I think it's very possible that even having gone to the moon, some stuff was filmed on earth and passed off as moon shots. They probably didn't even consider it wrong .. just 'filling in the gaps' for the masses.
This is exactly what i think happened. Iv studied it a lot through the years. I absolutely think we went, but i do believe most of the public footage was faked. It makes perfect sense seeing how we were in the cold war at the time. The gov would have had backup footage at the ready in case anything went wrong or if something was there that threatened national security they didn't want on film.
Or it was all a dry run for the sake of getting the astronauts familiar with their moves, and the photographers familiar with the scene, setting, and lighting conditions.
Because the cameraman was going to be in the moon eh?
If its too hard to think about just don't.
You'll have to face it eventually
No. Because the astronauts would place the cameras and, ipso facto, be the cameramen. If that's too hard to think about, just don't. You will have to face it eventually.
I get it. You guys are so brain dead, you would actually send people to the Moon for the first time in Creation without any dry run exercises to work out the bugs in the equipment or operational plan.
You know they'll say "Disinformation is necessary."
As if Q would admit that at that point. Most of the folks in here would have quot him on the spot. .even our side struggles with truth.
Actually, seeing that this is a Q site and Q did respond to this topic in at least one of his/her/their drops, I’d say this topic is fair game.
This deals more with just how long our government has been fucking us over and the sheep just keep sucking it in
This is a very sensitive topic for the glowies and shills. They are under "Order 66" to takedown anyone exposing the truth on it. If the fake moon landings get exposed the public, their whole house of cards crumbles. This is why they attack it so aggressively.
Fake moon landings = questions about moon = NASA lying = questions about Earth = geologists lying = questions about space = astronomers lying = questions about physics = Einstein misleading about gravity = questions about electromagnetism = End of elites.
Aw gee, another FLAT EARTH discussion. Same category. We know that antigravity craft have been in operation since at least the latter part of WW2. Obviously they've been to the moon.
Yes. Us skeptical retards keep veering off...it is frustrating, but people mind-controlled for so long take a while to deprogram. I think they declassed some of the Anti-gravity patents in January 2021. I have been reviewing some info to see if they are legit or a psyop. FE gets attacked, so viciously.
This. The flat earth shills have been out on force lately.
This is a distraction. Stay on target.
Yes. But a relevant one. Not time to move this conspiracy over to GAW yet? It will be soon.
The most convincing argument I’ve heard about the moon landing being faked is that a human being wouldn’t be able to survive radiation exposure in the Van Allan radiation belt. In my book, the jury is still out on this topic. Besides, if they faked the moon landing, imagine the millions (billions in todays dollars) that could have been funneled into CIA and DS black projects around the world.
Nearly everything presented by corporate fascist “mass” media, “history” books and “academics” since WWII was and is a lie including the “moon landing” which was debunked by the BBC, the fact pattern that details the shenanigan including the “accidental” deletion of the original footage, actual science, coded speech from Neil Armstrong and the officially released 2nd hand footage itself.
I agree except they lied to us about everything ‘before’ WWII as well as after.
No problem getting through the Van Allen belt. You just zip through at thousands of miles per hour. There is no loitering, and the belts are relatively close to the Earth. They do not extend to the Moon.
The "radiation" consists of high-energy electrons and protons. No gamma rays, alpha particles, or neutrons. Much of it may be mitigated by shielding.
There is no evidence "that a human being wouldn't be able to survive radiation exposure in the Van Allen radiation belt." There is only evidence that they did.
Really, then why does nasa have guys working on how to safely transit it without dying. Their words. We can't do it yet.
We did it before, and I don't think you can pull up any NASA statement that it is death to transit the belts. It's not healthy, of course, and anything we can do to mitigate the exposure is better for the astronauts. Kind of like automobile safety. People work on it all the time, but not because we would die from driving an automobile.
I think you don't know anything about the subject, frankly, and are just cherry-picking your favorite (unnamed) Authority.
“ There is no evidence "that a human being wouldn't be able to survive radiation exposure in the Van Allen radiation belt." There is only evidence that they did.”
That’s if you believe we actually went to the moon.
Since they brought back chunks of it, it sort of follows that they were there. No "belief" necessary.
Of course there is “belief” necessary. You “believe” those rocks that are in a museum somewhere actually came from the moon and not from somewhere here on earth. It wouldn’t be the first time someone passed of a counterfeit as the real thing. Like I said in my original comment; in my book the jury is still out on the subject.
You don't have any process for the jury to make a conclusion. All the evidence you need is already present. I believe that somebody went to the Moon because I saw it happen in full view before the world. A Saturn V is not "fake and gay" (as some would maintain). One does not create an entire industry for the sake of a motion picture.
There is the principle of a working hypothesis. On the basis of what you know, take a posture. It's okay to listen to anyone who has something worthwhile to say. But you have to know more than those who parade their misunderstanding and ignorance for evidence of mystery and deception.
”I believe that somebody went to the moon because I saw it happen in full view before the world.”
No, you saw a Saturn rocket launch into the atmosphere and continue to ascend until it was no longer visible. You have no proof that there were men aboard that rocket nor that it actually went to the moon. The only “proof” you have is that “officials” told the world that Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins were aboard the rocket and the rocket actually went to the moon. And as we’ve discovered over these last several years “officials” never lie. <sarc>
“One does not create an entire industry for the sake of a motion picture.”
I don’t think the vast majority of moon landing deniers believe an entire industry was created to make a motion picture. If I’m in the moon landing denial camp, I would argue that the “industry” as you describe it was an offshoot of the military (remember the first rockets, Redstone and Atlas, were in fact military ballistic missiles). So the industry was already in existence for other reasons and they just poured more money into it for project Apollo. That additional money could very easily have been funneled off for DS/Cabal black projects around the world. What if project Apollo was begun with every intention of going to the moon but it was later discovered that it was technically impossible to do at the time but the nation was already so committed to the project and “beating” the Soviet Union, that it would have been unthinkable to admit to the world that we couldn’t do it? Therefore, continue with the project, get congress to appropriate hundreds of millions of dollars to the project, many civilian products could be “discovered” and hundreds of millions could be funneled off foe black projects? It’s not unthinkable. It happens even today.
We saw the astronauts get into the capsule. A vehicle like the Saturn V just doesn't "ascend until it was no longer visible"---and then what? Loiter in outer space for 3 days and then re-enter? I rather think the Russians would have said we have no clothes at that point. That's the problem with "maybe..." scenarios; they can never work without being exposed.
I worked with the people who built that system and integrated it. It was no fake. The vehicle and capsule were being tracked by nations all over the world. There is only evidence for it happening.
A whole industry was created to sustain that mission. I come from that industry. It happened whether Moon Hoax nitwits believe it or not. The demise of huge portions of that industry is why we cannot resume production of the Saturn V. The Saturn V is far in excess of any requirements for a military missile. The engine systems have no application to military missions. The whole launching system was unique. The Command, Service, and Lunar modules were unique. There is common technology but the industrial base for Apollo was unique and extensive, more massive than the military programs alone.
Since we actually went to the Moon, it is idle to imagine otherwise. We weren't entirely sure we could do it, either, but we were not going to give up without a supreme effort. You have no idea of the morale of the program. Your scenario is a pipe dream.
Did I ask this? Are you old enough to have witnessed these historical events? Or are you coming to your skepticism because you don't know anything first hand?
Of course they were faked. Moon landings were fake and ghey.
The fact no cratering under the 'lunar Lander' despite there needing to be thrust under it to land.
The coke can, yes Coke can, seen by viewers in Australia, as that feed going to Australia didn't have delay.
The official videos you can clearing to the light flashes above the AstroNots, which was the cable suspension system to fake the 'moon jumps'
The video was slowed down to give most of the no gravity effects etc.
Anyone who honestly thinks the moon landing was real has not looked into it at all. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable.
Now whether or not people have actually gone to the moon is up for debate, but certainly all the 'official' stuff is all faked.
But considering we've never been back, and how they apparently 'lost' all the original technology makes it seem unlikely.
7 words. Stanley Kubrick on military base, June 1968.
Q post indicates we have landed on moon, just not publicly via Apollo. It was literally a movie. Stanley Kubrick made 2 movies. First released 1968, second one 1969.
Kubrick murdered in 1999 after revealing too much in “Eyes Wide Shut” with rumored plans to reveal his role in moon landing deception.
oops...mentioned illuminati "secrets"...getting mass downvoted now.
can't find the coca-cola bottle video from Australia. Have a link by chance?
Here's one of the ladies that witnessed it.
https://youtu.be/A1nTE3xgy30
Why would there be "cratering" under the lander? The thrust was not great (low lunar gravity) and the surface powder was thin. Solid rock underneath. It was like clearing sand off a kitchen counter with a hair dryer. See, you don't think about these things.
The feed from the Moon was live.
The "evidence" is, to use a phrase, "fake and gay." There is no "evidence." There is only ignorance (e.g., above about cratering).
New technology coming down the road (SpaceX). You don't believe we have "lost" the technology for the Saturn V and Apollo capsule? We are building capsules again, if that will make you happy. The F-1 engines are gone forever. There were efforts to reinstate their manufacture and use them again, but there were hundreds of components for which the vendors had gone out of business. The effort to re-qualify new parts and vendors would have been tantamount to doing the development program all over again. Read your history.
And the AstroNots jumping around on wires like some bloody puppets on a string, yeah that's real. Keeping living in a fairytale, didn't happen.
Now as I said, not saying we never went, but the footage of the 'offical' landings are fake and gay.
I've never seen what you allege. Suspension systems cannot duplicate the behavior of rock dust in a vacuum under low gravity, which is possible only on the Moon.
They ran / walked very fast, so their motion seemed normal speed, when actually they were moving fast and tape slowed down to make it appear like no/ low gravity for other objects, like the dropping hammer etc. That they did.
Look at this 1 min video, you can see 2 things, one is the light reflecting off of the wire holding him at one point. Second, and most importantly, the wire 'jerks' him up when he was on the ground.
https://youtu.be/X1cVnC7EtWw
Okay. I've looked at it. For one thing, the image is full of static artifacts, and you always have to be on guard not to confuse an artifact for something real.
For another, what you are seeing is evidently a slender, short antenna from the top of the backpack (for telemetry back to the LEM on life support status). >>There is no indication of weight loads depending from it.<< The "wire" does not "jerk" him off the ground; he pushes himself up off the ground. You have to realize that even if he weighs 240 pounds on Earth, he weighs only 40 pounds on the Moon.
You have fooled yourself by imagining things that are not there. You have turned life into a Rorschach blot.
This is one video to open the door.
There's a lot more. You have to search for them, that was a 1 min search.
I'm not going to research for you.
Take the blue pill then. I've watched hours upon hours, it's faked.
We've already established that you don't know fake from real.
I'll bet these guys thought they were fooling the Russians and saving the nation.
That's how you keep something like this secret with that many people involved.
Nothing secret about the Apollo program. All out in the open. You have some mental problem about accepting that it happened. Somewhere, a pet idee fixe would be jeopardized if you were to accept it. You WANT to believe you are surrounded by lies...and, as a result, you make up lies of your own.
Didn't we do this yesterday? That mod that thinks he's a dog posted something about fake moon landings. Ashlanddog! Where are you?!
yes, I think the moon landing was fake. an absurd idea that they pushed on the world to get us to believe in their stories about creation & space.
listen to JFK explain how crazy it all sounds, but he plays along with it. how he breaks down how quickly man has went from the steam engine to space...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=th5A6ZQ28pE
It was a fait accompli. You still haven't caught up to it.
you mean they already went to the moon before he gave the speech?
Very likely. All of the silly B movies of “Nazis on the moon” are likely soft disclosure of the truth. Moon is likely closer than NASA says, but what better way to reinforce their BS moon distance and nature of Earth lies than a “long, dangerous 3 day journey” over a satanic holiday (July 19-22) in 1969, 1 year after 2001 was released as pre-programming (and filmed as practice for the “moon landings” which were directed by Stanley Kubrick in June 1968 on a military base with a “studio”)
and this^ is why i love to hang out with you guys, you can think beyond...what 'they' tell us. and didn't know that about about the release of movie...makes so much sense now. And that was also around the time of I dream of Jeannie, they really got a lot of bang for their buck with that one.
Yes. The actual mechanism for the "lunar landing movie" was a plane flying slow over the desert recording terrain details, then they made this "terrain flyover video" black&white and modified frame rate to match a "simulated lander speed". Unclear if they used a bombing range already with craters or created some specifically for this "filming".
But the big giveaway in the "movie" is the angle and type of the shadows in all the moon landing photos that indicates studio lighting; and the flimsy lunar lander without enough structural strength to support the estimated impact forces of a landing (with its presumed mass of 2 astronauts, supplies, and re-launch fuel, all times the Gload of impact). This is why the joyriding rover is just ridiculous...
Oops...Getting mass downvoted now...shills and glowie suppression order 66 in effect?
interesting & haven't seen the movie in years, so will be fun to watch with this^ in mind. and yes, always the downvotes when we analyze space too much;)
but it does keep me focused; if they 'hate' it, must be on to something.
"2001: A Space Odyssey" will pop your head if you understand that it is a documentary effectively of the cabal's satanic religion of turning man into god via technology (ref. transhumanism movement). This movie was made for the cabal. Note that Saturn represents their "lightbringer" satan/lucifer and a "black cube" or "black stone" represents a satanic/demonic entity manipulating mankind. Human 1.0 is being replaced by those that follow their "religion" to be Human 2.0, thus the giant fetus at the end, being "reborn" into the service of Lucifer. Also, HAL = H+1 letter, A+1 letter, L+1 letter = IBM; IBM has been involved in satanic/occult/Nazi crap since WW2 and they seeded Microsoft (Bill Gate's mom worked for IBM); This is why everyone who is NOT cabal has the same reaction to this movie:
-Non-cabal viewers of "2001: A Space Odyssey"
William Cooper has a good analysis of this movie. I think it is his Out of Babylon audio recordings of his radio broadcasts. Few make the connection between "2001" the movie and the events of the year 2001. I know it is hard to believe that events were planned out 33 years in advance of 2001 in 1968, but look at that number and reconsider, please.
No. Stupid comments. The video mixed in real Moon flight footage with the other crap. It amazes me that you can deny government footage that is traceable, and swallow bootleg crap put together by No One.
Do you really think that we would send people to the Moon and perform no dry run exercises for what they would do to exit the vehicle and perform activities on the Moon?
The "silly B movies" are merely silly B movies. No truth necessary for FICTION.
The Moon is as far as it is stated. Measured by optical trigonometry. And by radar. Consistent with Newton's law of gravity.
What "Satanic holiday"? You guys come up with the creepiest occult nonsense.
Was Kubrick anywhere? Prove it. This video only substantiates the idea that NASA was staging a rehearsal for the real thing. Since Kubrick had already gotten advice from the guys at Marshall Space Flight Center, he would have been an obvious consultant on how to set it up. As I said, it is common military practice to do rehearsals or dry runs for important operations.
This is an untrustworthy video. There is no verification that the audio track was synched with the video. The video is a hodge-podge of footage from the lunar mission and known training activities. What this appears to show is a rehearsal of the Moon landing---which only makes sense, if you really don't want the astronauts to exit the lander and walk on the Moon for the first time when it happens. These are ex-military people. It is common practice in the military to mock up target zones for training rehearsals if special operations are to take place. There is no assurance that whoever edited this together didn't also insert contrived material.
Keep reaching
You are right. Seeing is believing!
^^^^Glowie....been spreading false information and propaganda everywhere last week or so anytime the narrative is questioned
Can't refute a thing I say, can you? Your "narrative" is a fantasy. I've only spent 40 years in aerospace engineering, mentored by the guys who made it happen. All you have is name-calling and castigation to offer.
My due Diligence says they went to the moon 50/50 odds but the video/pics were faked as film of the day would be destroyed outside the Van Allen belt.
Destroyed? By whom? By what? Any evidence? Just another fake belief.
Radiation lol
You've never heard of radiation shielding? It is a well-understood concept, even 80 years ago. That would be for the photographs. The TV images were transmitted directly. The cameras were shielded enough that cosmic radiation was not a problem. Van Allen radiation is not present at the Moon. Really? This is what you have been thinking?
I have...it's about 2 feet of solid lead.
Nonsense. The specific shielding materials depend on the nature of the radiation. If there are no neutrons or gamma rays, the requirements are relaxed as to the amount of mass required. I guess you've "heard" of it, but you don't know anything about it. The amount of shielding is also dependent on the allowable dose and the integrated duration of the exposure. It wasn't 2 feet of solid lead.
Watch the first 30 seconds of Buzz Aldrin on Conan. https://youtu.be/1Y30VAkHtdw
Aulis.com has all you need to professionally take down the lies about the Moon. Here's one of my favourites on just how dangerous the surface is:
https://www.aulis.com/lunar_surface_radiation.htm
NASA is fake and gay AF. Some of the video footage of the international space station is so fake it is woeful. The Space Force is not fake. I bet they don’t collaborate.
What I think is it is most likely true and those involved in the fraud: astronauts, NASA, camera crew, etc. need to be prosecuted for fraud. Then I want to know where the money was diverted to. How many other space flights were faked, as well as deaths? Was Space Force created to explore legitimate space exploration?
Space Force is likely part of bringing pieces of the Secret Space Program public bit by bit. You are over target here. All of that funding was likely diverted to the Secret Space Program and other places. Ever wonder why public technology (except surveillance and simulation related) has not really progressed significantly since ~1962? It has just been incremental optimization as the breakthrough stuff is all "BLACK".
They needed money for the Vietnam war. Look up American Moon on bitchute for a comprehensive teardown of the whole thing.
Yes, the money ALWAYS goes elsewhere. Look at the Ukraine. Billions to Ukraine, but Ukraine can’t pay debts. Look at money funneled to out of country bank accounts to Zelensky-some money to Ukraine and the rest to politicians and Deep State actors.
Compare the drug trafficking going on in Golden Triangle during Vietnam War 1964-1973 to the drug trafficking going on in Afghanistan 2002-2021. This was the actual operation, the "war" was just cover. Wars are used for cover for other things, this is why they go on "forever" or without any clear purpose or objective. It is license to neutralize enemies, print money, traffic people, traffic guns, traffic drugs, et. al. This particular cabal play has been run since at least the Civil War. Where do you think all the superwealthy Carnegies, Rockefellers, robber barons etc. got started? They were all gun runners and criminals ripping off the gov't during the Civil War.
You don't believe that Neil Armstrong and other men went to the moon? You forgot that they left lots of stuff on the moon. For example, Apollo astronauts left retroreflectors (three of them) on the lunar ground. Scientists use laser to "bounce" back to Earth for measuring the distance between the moon & earth.
Whoever said that the moon landings were fake is real dumb.
Something went to the moon. Something came back. Observatories around the world were watching and tracking visually whenever they came within line of sight. The Russians and their allies were watching intently and spying. If the moon landing and return trip were faked, do people believe that the Soviets would not have published the fact that it was a fraud? Civilians can be duped, but the Soviets were not idiots. They damn sure had no reason to go along with the lie. The evidence is definitely questionable on both sides, but logically I have a hard time grasping that it was all faked, unless it was a worldwide conspiracy. It was a huge symbolic win against Russia and the Iron Curtain nations. I would think that if it was fake, there would have been allegations from Russia and their allies with proof. The folks who are adamant about this topic, one way or the other are displaying fan boi status. Keep an open mind. It may have been faked or it may be real, either way, it does zero to help us today. What the hell are people arguing about?
Playing devil’s advocate, what we’ve all learned over these last several years is that the DS/Cabal is in just about every country in the world, including the Russia/Old Soviet Union. This global plandemic is certainly a “world wide conspiracy” and yet billions of people believe it.
I didn't witness the launch, and return personally, so I make no firm commitment. I would like to believe we did achieve this epic milestone, but I really don't have a dog in the fight, so I just don't get the vehemence folks argue about this.
Agreed. I don’t know one way or the other either. But if it’s possible to have faked it, given everything I’ve learned over the last several years about the DS/Cabal and the deception they’ve perpetrated against humanity, it wouldn’t surprise me.
There have been some revelations about worldwide conspiracies that has created doubt about most of the things I thought I knew. Most of these things are about inconsequential data that isn't critical to my life or important in the grand scheme of things, but the awareness has made me look at events differently today. When we see large investment corps buying up private homes, Bill Gates buying farmland and investing heavily in Vaccines, forced EUA medical garbage, it all looks very suspicious to me and knowing that worldwide conspiracies exist, it isn't only possible, it is probable. The questioning of everything that I thought I knew has made me aware that the world is very strange and that we are under attack and have been for a long time. This is what brought most of is here, this is what red pills are all about.
It was real, and there is no benefit in denying the truth. This idea of "keeping an open mind" is just an unwillingness to sort truth from lies---which is a desire to keep lies in play, perpetually.
Open minds require actual evidence, not conspiracy theories or fabulous imaginary scenarios.
Perhaps, perhaps not. If anything has been revealed to me is that I shouldn't take a hardline stance on anything I haven't done proven my very self. I question everything now, unless I can personally confirm or deny it. I will listen and view all evidence, but I still won't go all in and assault anyone else's beliefs. I may think some folks are silly, but I won't disparage them. Spirited disagreement is fun, but keep it light.
At some point, you will have to trust your life to what you know...and it is impossible to verify all knowledge personally. People ask me if I gamble, and my answer is "only with my life."
The best armor of truth is a broad knowledge that connects subject matter together. If the span of knowledge integrates, that is a good sign that it does so because it is true. Nature is far more complicated than any conspiracy could ever hope to be.
You have to continue to operate and function with certain beliefs. Those beliefs may be very convincing and be strongly linked to evidence that asserts their validity, however rejecting any new evidence that is contradictory to your beliefs is the problem with science and many other people today. If new evidence is presented, I approach it with some skepticism, and analyze the evidence carefully to determine validity. If I find it true, I don't necessarily abandon my original belief, I just take it into consideration and weigh the new evidence against the body of other evidence and determine that my belief may be wrong, but definitely need to investigate further into all the evidence to find out if there are flaws in some of the evidence. My basic point is that I try to keep an open mind and not lash out against people without careful consideration.
Give me "new evidence" and I will consider it. ALL evidence must cohere. You don't need to lecture me about science. Read about the work of Halton Arp if you want to see "new evidence."
There is so little to doubt about the Apollo program, there is no "new evidence." Someone here already mentioned the laser and radar retroreflectors that were set down on the Moon, that are still in use today. Not possible if they weren't set there. All the cavils about the images from the Moon are ignorant of the condition on the Moon and the limitations of photography. The argument that men cannot pass through the Van Allen belts is an urban myth, disproved by their factual passage. It is exasperating. You talk like you are some defender of science, but I find that tone to be quite easily adopted by those who really do not know much of science, much less have an academic or professional specialty in it. Real science is often contrary to "common sense." As Galileo discovered about falling weights.
I understand what you are saying, but "real science" is all about questioning everything. There is nothing ever proven beyond doubt. There is always doubt. There is always room to learn more and accepted fact is regularly modified with advances in understanding. When you espouse something as an irrefutable fact, you are no longer a scientist, you are a adherent. I get that you want to throw shade about my qualifications as a scientist, and that is your right. I am not the top of my field, but I am well respected. I have worked in a research lab since 2002, prior to that I worked around the world and have visited 44 countries in my work. I am not the top in my field, but I am the top of my particular discipline. It is a very narrow discipline, so it is not as glorious as some would think, but the majority of science disciplines are extremely narrow in focus. That is the only way to get to be the best, unless you are a super genius and I definitely do not make that claim. My penultimate point is to always challenge your beliefs, accept nothing as fact beyond reproach. Keep an open mind and take care not to cast stones, because we all have built our beliefs in glass houses. The reason the Awakening is so difficult to achieve is that most people cannot have their beliefs in the facts that they know challenged. They simply state facts that they have learned and accepted as irrefutable and will hear nothing from any others unless it reinforces their currently held beliefs. I truly believe that there is nothing beyond our reach, if we can survive our own failings. We have incredible potential to achieve the impossible. It takes many lifetimes and possibly eons, if we can survive as a species, the human race will be capable of achieving anything if we can keep from sabotaging ourselves. I hope we can and will, but as I said before, there is always doubt.
Sure they did. There's a jab waiting g for u.
Bravo. Nothing more real and fake than being ignorant and delusional.