bare in mind that most states do not require income tax if you are exempt from federal income tax. every penny you pay when you are buying things ends up in the state coffers, so don't feel bad about it.
And remember, the IRS just bought a shitload of ammo and is hiring an army. Remember to tell the guys with guns that you don't think their theft is legitimate!
Years ago I went knee deep into Common law / Freeman stuff. Whilst I know it's true, ie avoid contracting with agencies etc... common law vs maritime corporate legislation, I think we're WAY past it.. 30-40 years ago you could simply not contract and they would leave you alone as to not show the masses who's behind the curtain.
From experiences of myself and people I know, you can avoid contracting with the state, you can use all the lawful procedures, and the state can just ignore it because they literally don't care about being authoritarian and using their guns against you anymore. The courts are openly rigged for instance, even for people playing within the system.
Maybe if you were famous and loaded and could hire a team to do something when they come knocking and drag you away to be locked in a cell, you could prove you never contracted with the state and have enough eyes on you that the state would think twice... but the government has people rotting away in a cell for almost two years with no charges simply for being on team Trump instead of team Xiden... they don't give a shit about optics anymore, their gloves are off.
hm i actually tried to do this several months back and my employer said they can't NOT take out any taxes, so all i could do (did it) was increase the number of exemptions to reduce my taxes (because i get a refund every year and want to at least get that closer to zero so i am not letting them use my money all year)
I’ve never said one single thing about ruby ridge or Waco.
Of course there is no legal recourse, because they own the legal system. By submitting to the legal system, you establish yourself as a taxpayer. You give yourself a title of slavery. Recognition of their authority over us is what makes us owe taxes. Do you know what legal means? It means of or pertaining to the lord or the king. How can you possibly beat a king in his own system?
Stop glowing. We have responsibility here, not to glow. You want to start a 1 man or a 10 man or even a 100 man revolution and die for no reason, go for it.
What we are trying to do and doing it successfully here is to fight the battles and wars we are already in, the information war. If you want to go kinetic, it will only hurt our movement, which is growing by leaps and bounds, destroying the power of the elite each day. We are holding on for this plan. If this plan should fail, yes, we will stop paying taxes, but that will be the least of our thoughts and the least of our enemy's concern.
If we go kinetic, it won't be for 1 isolated reason. The 2nd civil war will be the most devastating war humanity will ever know, should it occur, may God protect us from that, and may he provide another way. Keep your powder dry, always ready for the day of physical battle, but not encouraging it.
They still take out for medicare/Medicaid and ss. Its not as easy as just claiming all exemptions. My husband and I already have it so we dont ever get money back but pay in or as close to 0 as possible.
First, don’t pay. Then when they take you to court, request that they to present a claim to your money signed by a man/woman. Only taxpayers have to pay a tax. You’re not a taxpayer. Obviously this advice is insufficient. But the first step is to not pay. The simultaneous first step is to tell others not to pay. No man or woman has any claim to your money. We have been duped into agreeing out of fear and literal belief that we are contributing to the greater good. What’s ours is ours.
I have the same question. I was self employed in 2021 and haven’t filed yet. I sure would like to tell them I owe them zero dollars.
Edit- …without being garnished or incarcerated.
This is where I'm at. Many of us are ready, but if its not widespread, they will just arrest the few who stop complying, then that's the end of it.
It needs to be millions who stop at once - and that will only happen at the precipice or when some very difficult truths are finally revealed to the public.
Really what is needed to support a movement to stop paying taxes is the backing of larger corporations, as much as I hate corporations. If the corp makes the decision for its thousands of employees to stop withholding, as part of a broader movement, then the IRS wouldn't even attempt to start rounding people up
My advice after 25+ years of study, do not lie on those forms. You will be committing perjury when you sign it. Then you are done, put a big bow on all your property and give it to them. Just do your research and the answers will come right out. If you don't do the research, they will trip you up in a few seconds and you will be begging for mercy. You better have your feet planted well and know who to ask for mercy, it isn't the gov.
The income tax issue is both simple and complex. The former when you understand the nature of the commercial warfare system we're operating within, the latter when you don't.
One tack is to file a W-8 BEN form (https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-w-8-ben) with your employer. However, they will likely give you pushback. Especially because they also have to file a similar form dealing with SS withholdings. You get into another level of complexity with each of your 7.5% contributions to SS. Most people simply aren't ready to try this step.
The core issue with income taxes deals with two things.
Your political status (not political "party" status)
You acceptance of binding "titles"
As many know, income tax is technically a "voluntary" tax. And most everybody also knows, if you choose not to pay them, you may find yourself paying exorbitant fines and/or doing a stint in the pen. So what gives?
The catch is, you have "volunteered" to be a "taxpayer" (title) by "volunteering" yourself to declare your political status as a "U.S. Citizen" or "US CITIZEN". An offer was made by the controlling forces, and you accepted.
The "Commercial Warfare" system (UCC) that we are all embroiled within is based on the simplicity of "contract law", that of "OFFER & ACCEPTANCE".
Within the commercial warfare system, created by the LEGAL (not LAWFUL) system, are millions of fictitious entities generated for the sole purpose of binding men and women within the matrix. An example of a "fictitious entity" would be a "corporation" (talking corpse/dead), like the IRS and Internal Revenue Service (two different corporations). A fictitious entity cannot bind a "real entity" from a LEGAL standpoint, it can only bind a fellow fictitious entity.
Another example of a fictitious entity would be your ALL CAPS NAME corporate/trust vehicle for interacting within the commercial warfare system (commerce). "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS", your "strawman", is not "you", nor is it "your name". "John Quincy Adams" is "your name". So the "MAN", John Quincy Adams" ...and here's a key word -> USES.... the commercial vessel "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS" to interact with and transact within the commercial warfare system.
It is impossible in today's day and age to completely untangle oneself from the commercial warfare system, presuming you have, at a minimum, a birth certificate which is the document used to create your strawman vessel.
Key in further understanding the deception, is that your strawman vessel, "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS", is not yours. It is THEIRS. They created it. They control it. Therefore they OWN it. But they allow you to USE it, so that you unwittingly bind yourself to the commercial warfare system they created -> COMMERCE.
When you turn 18 (age of majority), you become further bound by not recognizing the deception in play. You voluntarily ACCEPT the offer to be a "U.S. Citizen", which is another "fictitious entity" which strips all your natural, God-given (and Constitutional) rights, instead replacing them with "privileges and benefits" that are being OFFERED to you by the creators and controllers of the LEGAL COMMERCE system most are unwittingly aware they are operating under.
The fact that you had another choice is not PRESENTED to you at the time you accept the fictitious title "U.S. Citizen". In LEGAL terminology, the controllers failed to provide us with a proper PRESENTMENT regarding the hidden contract we were binding ourselves to. The other choice being the political status of "National" or "State National", which was the only political status for those born in one of the "United States" prior to the 14th Amendment - which created the "U.S. Citizen", ostensibly to grant a lesser status to the recently freed slaves.
There are many other fictional titles that come with being entangled in the commercial warfare system. To name but a few; Person, Resident, Citizen, Driver, Operator, Owner, Tenant, Joint Tenant, Litigant, Affiant, Defendant, Plaintiff, Petitioner --- and on the other side, additional fictional entities like; Judge, Counselor, Attorney, IRS agent, Bailiff, Clerk, etc.
Starting to get the picture? Men and Women are TEMPORARILY ACTING (Actors) in a FICTIONAL DRAMA (Commerce) as these various characters, or "personas" (Persons). Never in the realm of the LEGAL SYSTEM do any REAL ENTITIES exist. And said real entities are strictly and solely "men and women".
Wrapping your mind around this is the key to understanding. But after a lifetime of deception and brainwashing, it doesn't happen overnight. One needs to study and learn. You can't "get it" with one pass through material.
So back to income taxes. Scholars rightly point out that the Constitution is perfectly clear about stating that men and women's labor, resulting in "wages" SHALL NOT BE TAXED. So what gives then?
As with the UNLAWFUL CONVERSION of a man/woman (National) into a U.S. Citizen, several other conversions must take place. The "wages" of a man/women were converted into the "income" of the ALL CAPS NAME strawman fictional entity. And another "Title" was then offered to you. And said title is "TAXPAYER".
Congratulations, in the stroke of a pen, you have been UNLAWFULLY CONVERTED from being a man/woman who earns wages, into a taxpayer who has an income. And you willfully and voluntarily agreed to it all (because you were ignorant of the LAW of the LAND). Nobody had to coerce you. OFFER & ACCEPTANCE. You accepted their offer of your own free will.
So now you may think you know all this stuff after this brief treatment. If this is your first time hearing it, you're likely spittin' mad that you've been duped. A typical reaction. After you finally calm down and admire the sheer brilliance of what's been pulled off right under your nose, you're now faced with a decision.
Naturally, you've decided you're never going to pay income taxes again. You no longer agree that you're a "taxpayer", nor a "U.S. Citizen" and that you don't earn any income. Seems simple enough, eh?
Not so fast. The problem is, you've almost certainly got a history of paying taxes, and agreeing to being a "taxpayer". So what gives? Were you being honest then and lying now? Or vice versa?
Do you have a bank account? How about a SS card? A drivers license? A mortgage? A wide variety of other legal documents in your ALL CAPS STRAWMAN NAME? This will be a problem for you in front of a judge. As the preponderance of the evidence suggests you are indeed an active and willing slave on their plantation. You will be railroaded in a tax court (assuming you were smart enough to NOT hire an attorney, who is just another "actor" in the game of LEGAL FICTIONS).
You might think you can tell the judge that you figured out the trick and will no longer participate. Do you think the judge will agree with you that there's any trick? Fat chance. He might even order a psychiatric evaluation, have you locked up for observation, fill you up with some helpful pharma chemicals to stabilize your misfiring "brain chemistry".
Get the picture? This is a messy situation. The judge has several dozen ways to demonstrate you're bound to this system. If you are openly speaking with a judge in a tax court, you're guaranteed to lose. So many words have double meanings. What He means and what you think he means are rarely one and the same. And if you want a definition of every other word that comes out his mouth, it's a near certainty that the psyche eval will be issued.
So what are your options now that you know the deception?
As first mentioned, the W-8 BEN filing indicates that you are a "foreigner". That doesn't make much sense, right? What you probably don't understand is that the occupying force in the United States, since 1865, is indeed a foreign power (British Crown). Can you make that case to your employer? To your employers in-house council? To an IRS agent? To a tax court judge? Likely not if you haven't done extensive research on all the shenanigans that have gone on the past 160 years.
The simplest tack for the newbie is to add a larger number of dependents, such that your employer does not withhold any of your earned WAGES. If your HR manager has questions, try the "nunya" approach and reaffirm your request (because it's none of her business!!).
This will get you 75-85% of your currency back in your pocket. The 7.5% FICA withholdings will be lost however. And you can't get those without the W-8 BEN filing, so don't even try.
So let's say you do this. We all know your employer (an unwitting TAX COLLECTING AGENT for the IRS, working for free I might add) will submit your "income" details to the IRS. So eventually, the IRS is gonna come knocking at your door. What do do?
First, under no circumstances should you EVER have a CONVERSATION with an IRS agent. Request everything in writing. Next, in writing, ask them for their definition of a "TAXPAYER", where in the cfr (Code of Federal Regulations) there is a law stating that you, the man/woman, are a "taxpayer". Typically this letter will be ignored, followed by more demands to pay or discuss your "obligation" to them. You must be diligent with continuing the same tack, never ignoring the follow-up notices. Continue to ask for their PROOF that you are a taxpayer.
This tack has ostensibly been working for some people out there. The IRS eventually stops coming around, ignoring all your requests, no longer demanding payment. But will that last forever? What if your taxes are in the millions of dollars? Will they ignore you like the guy who only owes $10K? Nobody knows.
One of the biggest problems with "knowing for sure" what will work and what might not work is that cases and situations like these get scrubbed from the records. There is no such thing as an existing case we can all reference and know with relative certainty that "Just do what the guy in this case did and you'll be fine". The controllers don't want the serfs to learn this, obviously!
Another tack I've heard mentioned as being successful is that when the IRS demands payment, in writing, you respond back with something along the lines of: "If there is a man or woman that says I owe them money, please have them send me a certified letter stating their claim including their name and signature at the bottom of the letter".
Allegedly, they can't or won't ever do this. No man/woman will sign a letter stating such. So I've heard. One of the caveats I'll add to this method is that it comes from a man who has totally and completely figured out the legal system deception. He's "dangerous" to the system. As such, they have chosen to leave him alone. Would the same tack work for the average Joe and Jane trying the same tactic? I cannot say.
I'll also add that there's a guy that used to advertise on the Stew Peters show who, for a fee, will teach you how to avoid paying your income taxes with his system. He claims he hasn't been paying them for 20-30 years now. I know he offers a million dollar guarantee that if you do follow his system and still get taxed, he'll pay your obligation up to that amount. I don't know anything more about what he's doing except to suggest I would imagine he's using similar tactics as outlined above.
The bottom line is this; If you're too lazy to learn the ins and outs of what has been described above, you're likely going to get railroaded, one way or the other, when the tax collector comes a knockin'. There are just too many lies and deceptions we've all be indoctrinated into believing are "truths", coupled with all the semantic deceit embedded in "legalese". Net-Net, somebody who only knows the basic information provided here is not equipped to take on the system. And furthermore, engaging with a card-carrying BAR attorney ensures you'll lose, as they are FORCED to play within the rules of their system.
Based on a cursory listen, it sounds like he's using the "District and its territories" approach. This is another rabbit hole I didn't mention earlier, as it contains some tricky elements. Most notably, that we unwittingly "AGREE" that we live in the "District of Columbia" as defined by the LEGAL SYSTEM --- by using their zip code and state abbreviations on all our correspondence. You have AGREED that you are a "RESIDENT" in their "DISTRICT".
Latin: "Res" = "The thing" & "Ident" = Identified. So a resident is "an identified thing". Said "thing" would be the corporation/trust/strawman vessel "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS" ALL CAPS NAME. As always, none of the LEGAL terms refer to a living man or woman.
The essence of this approach is that government and legal system have extended the "District of Columbia", on paper (i.e. within the LEGAL SYSTEM framework) alone. This is why we have "District Courts". And this is how and why the FEDERAL government has come to claim power over we-the-people and over the states. Whereas, prior to the Civil War, the reverse was the case.
Anyway, perhaps this guys tactics work for most folks, I don't know. As with my earlier advice, you must steer clear of ever using any attorneys, and must understand the nature of the deception so as to not get tricked into admitting you live in their district. Which effectively means, you have to understand that you don't really live at "123 Main St, AnyTown NY 23233", but instead, you live at "123 Main Street, AnyTown New York" in "New York state", not "The State of New York (which is a corporation). And obviously, all your prior paperwork and such was before you understood the trickery (which a judge would never admit to).
So good luck if you take this tack. I'd be curious to hear how it goes if you do.
Mystical? He was a guy that was on the Stew Peters show and advertised there for a few months. I'll try a Rumble search "Stew Peters don't pay income taxes"....and BOOM, here he is:
Peymon Mottahedeh, founder of Freedom Law School. Claims he hasn't paid taxes for 29 years.
FWIW, it looks like his website isn't resolving right now - that's not a good sign.
Anyway, caveat emptor. I'm not vouching for this guy. I was just mentioning this is one option I'm aware of. Since I feel I understand this trickery pretty well inside and out, I take my chances with the simple methods of asking for definition and proof that I (a man) am a "taxpayer" as well as the letter with signature including claim of obligation). If you go this route, you have to remember to make copies of everything you do, all documents, mailings, using registered mail, etc. As long as you're responsive within a timely manner, usually you have 30-days, but sometimes they get aggressive and only give you 10 days.
Thus far, I haven't been bothered. But I also think they know that I know some things. And I don't earn enough money to be trifled with anyway.
Anyway, good luck! Let us know if you seek this guy out and how things go. I'd be happy to review anything you're uncertain about if need be.
Let me see if I can condense that a bit for some who may be intimidated by the process...
Stratton's Independence v. Howbert 231 U.S. 399 (1913)
"As has been repeatedly remarked, the corporation tax act of 1909 was not intended to be and is not, in any proper sense, an income tax law. This court has decided in the Pollock Case that the income tax of 1894 amounted in effect to a direct tax upon property, and was invalid because not apportioned according to population, as prescribed by the Constitution. The act of 1909 avoided this difficulty by imposing not an income tax, but an excise tax upon the conduct of business in a corporate capacity, measuring, however, the amount of tax by the income of the corporation, . . ."
In other words, It's a usage tax
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When you look at a UNITED STATES NOTE vs a FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE, you will see that the USN has 1 seal on it but the FRN has 2... F.R. seal on one side and the U.S.Treasury on the other side.
The 9th circus has said that the FRN is a dual purpose note, meaning you can chose which you wish to endorse...Lawful money or Private script. If you 'Voluntarily' endorse private script, then you become obligated to abide by the rules of the contract that using FRN's bestows upon you....ALL VOLUNTARILY...
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Remember...ignorance of the law is not an excuse...so yes..It Is the VOLUNTARY use of private script that binds you to their contract.....because forcing you into slavery is against the law.
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Involuntary Servitude UNITED STATES V. KOZMINSKI, 487 U. S. 931 (1988)
“For purposes of criminal prosecution under § 241 or § 1584, the term "involuntary servitude" necessarily means a condition of servitude in which the victim is forced to work for the defendant by the use or threat of physical restraint or physical injury or by the use or threat of coercion through law or the legal process. This definition encompasses cases in which the defendant holds the victim in servitude by placing him or her in fear of such physical restraint or injury or legal coercion.”
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State citizen vs US Citizen...learn the difference
“I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America in accordance with 28 U.S.C. §1746(1) that the foregoing facts are true, correct, and complete to the best of my knowledge and ability, but only when litigated with a jury in a court of a state of the Union and not a federal court.”
All you share is quite correct. But how does somebody who works for an employer manage with this strategy? Ask for payment in gold, silver or bitcoin?
I asked my previous employer and was told my options were direct deposit or corporate check...cash was not even an option. Or, I could pack up my desk at the end of the day.
So presuming this is the case for the vast majority, how would the average working stiff proceed? Once one is in receipt of these "digital dollars", aren't they now bound to the fraudulent FRN currency?
P.S. "The 9th circus"...saw what you did there...nice touch!
Fair enough. So direct deposit wouldn't work then. In this day and age, you'd probably get some eyebrows raised in disbelief from your HR/Finance Manager on that one, because everybody has a bank account, right? But I know most companies still cut expense checks and such so hopefully they wouldn't give you too hard a time.
If I’m not mistaken, make sure your not being supplied with federal of state benefits before you opt out of paying income taxes. In many cases, from what I’ve heard, you lose those benefits. Like health insurance from your employer. For instance I know a teacher getting Cobra insurance ($680) plan for $80 a month. I’m not sure if it’s a state or federal insurance plan, but to opting out of tax payments could jeopardize that plan. Tennessee has Tenncare. I’m almost positive if you stop paying taxes you lose those insurance benefits.
Just something to think about. You could always get your own stuff. Just might wanna look into it first. Some health insurance can get very costly per month.
This is correct as far as unemployment goes. I do not ask for benefits, nor can I receive them, I don't apply for health insurance. Social security is optional program, you pay into it if you want a benefit from it, totally separate.
Social security is 100% mandatory. It is not possible to exempt yourself on the w-2. I've been paying into the social security system since I got my first job and itll all be gone when I'm ready to receive the benefits
This is incorrect, I have paid in maybe 7 years to ss in my career. S.S. is purely optional; I actually need to go clean out what I have in there. Thinking I may need a new toy of some kind in the future. However, if you're not a saver or a good planner, you may be penny less when it comes time to retire.
OK, maybe I was just the only one that slipped through the crack. Have you ever read the s.s. information? Perhaps you should, very interesting stuff, will make you head swell with knowledge. I just grew up knowing I didn't have to pay for anything I don't want to partake in. Why s.s. if there is welfare anyhow, think about that.
What if we just conducted commerce in US Treasury issued Eagles? Their face value is what is recognized LEGALLY.
American Silver Eagle bullion coins carry a face value of US$1. This is their legal value reflecting their issue and monetization as coins. Per 31 U.S.C. § 5112(h), the coins are legal tender for all debts public and private at their face value. This value does not reflect their intrinsic value which is much greater than their $1 legal tender face value. American Silver Eagle Coin prices and premiums are mainly dictated by the fluctuating silver spot price and ongoing supply-demand.
“Federal Reserve Bank notes, and other notes constituting a part of common currency of country, are recognized as good tender for money, unless specially objected to.”
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925), 159 La. 244, 105 S. 305.
Today, we have two competing monetary systems: The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States Notes and coins. One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income.
United States v. Berg, 636 F.2d 203 (1980).
TITLE 12
CHAPTER 3 > SUBCHAPTER XII> § 411
§ 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption
Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues.
“In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise— the words ‘person’ and ‘whoever’ include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals.”
I saw a comment about this on here not that long ago but can’t find it. Someone was told it wasn’t possible and when legal got involved and researched they learned it was possible. Maybe someone else or OP/commenter will read this?
By posting this, you are really threatening this entire platform. You have no idea of the damage you are causing. Irwin Schiff was imprisoned for promoting this very thing. My suggestion is remove the post.
You can change this information at anytime.
Finish out the fiscal year so you can get any returns due to ya, take the money and run, fuck 'em over even more.
Edit: Would recommend continuing to pay STATE taxes, as the States have legitimate authority to do so.
Not financial advice.
No, they do not have authority, neither legitimate nor illegitimate, to take the product of a man’s work.
I don't think property tax should be paid either. We are renting property we own from the local and state governments.
And for what?
bare in mind that most states do not require income tax if you are exempt from federal income tax. every penny you pay when you are buying things ends up in the state coffers, so don't feel bad about it.
I'm with you. My state said if you don't owe fed then you don't owe state.
And remember, the IRS just bought a shitload of ammo and is hiring an army. Remember to tell the guys with guns that you don't think their theft is legitimate!
Years ago I went knee deep into Common law / Freeman stuff. Whilst I know it's true, ie avoid contracting with agencies etc... common law vs maritime corporate legislation, I think we're WAY past it.. 30-40 years ago you could simply not contract and they would leave you alone as to not show the masses who's behind the curtain.
From experiences of myself and people I know, you can avoid contracting with the state, you can use all the lawful procedures, and the state can just ignore it because they literally don't care about being authoritarian and using their guns against you anymore. The courts are openly rigged for instance, even for people playing within the system.
Maybe if you were famous and loaded and could hire a team to do something when they come knocking and drag you away to be locked in a cell, you could prove you never contracted with the state and have enough eyes on you that the state would think twice... but the government has people rotting away in a cell for almost two years with no charges simply for being on team Trump instead of team Xiden... they don't give a shit about optics anymore, their gloves are off.
Exactly. They will find an excuse to come after us anyways.
Martyr me
hm i actually tried to do this several months back and my employer said they can't NOT take out any taxes, so all i could do (did it) was increase the number of exemptions to reduce my taxes (because i get a refund every year and want to at least get that closer to zero so i am not letting them use my money all year)
Stop being a tax payer already. Just walk off the plantation. And please don’t tell me all the reasons why not. I know them all. Just stop.
would love to, as would lots of others i am sure.. but HOW??? any useful details somebody could provide on HOW to actually do this would be great
GAW users: Operation Ruby Ridge, Waco TX massacre, don't take them on yourself.
Also GAW users: stop paying your taxes, let's see what happens.
Same GAW users: no legal recourse / advice for how to do it cleanly 🤦♂️
I’ve never said one single thing about ruby ridge or Waco.
Of course there is no legal recourse, because they own the legal system. By submitting to the legal system, you establish yourself as a taxpayer. You give yourself a title of slavery. Recognition of their authority over us is what makes us owe taxes. Do you know what legal means? It means of or pertaining to the lord or the king. How can you possibly beat a king in his own system?
Advice to do it cleanly? It will not be clean.
What you are recommending will get the few of us killed.
Plus they're adding 87,000 IRS members. Like they won't weaponize that?
"Mr. Washington, what you're recommending (fighting the British) will get the few [sic] of us killed". Is your motto "live on your knees"?
Stop glowing. We have responsibility here, not to glow. You want to start a 1 man or a 10 man or even a 100 man revolution and die for no reason, go for it.
What we are trying to do and doing it successfully here is to fight the battles and wars we are already in, the information war. If you want to go kinetic, it will only hurt our movement, which is growing by leaps and bounds, destroying the power of the elite each day. We are holding on for this plan. If this plan should fail, yes, we will stop paying taxes, but that will be the least of our thoughts and the least of our enemy's concern.
If we go kinetic, it won't be for 1 isolated reason. The 2nd civil war will be the most devastating war humanity will ever know, should it occur, may God protect us from that, and may he provide another way. Keep your powder dry, always ready for the day of physical battle, but not encouraging it.
You go to hr and revise your w2.
They still take out for medicare/Medicaid and ss. Its not as easy as just claiming all exemptions. My husband and I already have it so we dont ever get money back but pay in or as close to 0 as possible.
First, don’t pay. Then when they take you to court, request that they to present a claim to your money signed by a man/woman. Only taxpayers have to pay a tax. You’re not a taxpayer. Obviously this advice is insufficient. But the first step is to not pay. The simultaneous first step is to tell others not to pay. No man or woman has any claim to your money. We have been duped into agreeing out of fear and literal belief that we are contributing to the greater good. What’s ours is ours.
I have the same question. I was self employed in 2021 and haven’t filed yet. I sure would like to tell them I owe them zero dollars. Edit- …without being garnished or incarcerated.
This is where I'm at. Many of us are ready, but if its not widespread, they will just arrest the few who stop complying, then that's the end of it.
It needs to be millions who stop at once - and that will only happen at the precipice or when some very difficult truths are finally revealed to the public.
Really what is needed to support a movement to stop paying taxes is the backing of larger corporations, as much as I hate corporations. If the corp makes the decision for its thousands of employees to stop withholding, as part of a broader movement, then the IRS wouldn't even attempt to start rounding people up
Your employer is a lying idiot. Don't lie on those forms, they will get you for perjury.
Just say you have 5 dependents on your w2. The more dependents the less they take out every month.
My advice after 25+ years of study, do not lie on those forms. You will be committing perjury when you sign it. Then you are done, put a big bow on all your property and give it to them. Just do your research and the answers will come right out. If you don't do the research, they will trip you up in a few seconds and you will be begging for mercy. You better have your feet planted well and know who to ask for mercy, it isn't the gov.
It's waaaaaay past time to worry about perjury!
Sure, just read the w-4 direction and it tells you how to fill it out for exempt.
The income tax issue is both simple and complex. The former when you understand the nature of the commercial warfare system we're operating within, the latter when you don't.
One tack is to file a W-8 BEN form (https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-w-8-ben) with your employer. However, they will likely give you pushback. Especially because they also have to file a similar form dealing with SS withholdings. You get into another level of complexity with each of your 7.5% contributions to SS. Most people simply aren't ready to try this step.
The core issue with income taxes deals with two things.
As many know, income tax is technically a "voluntary" tax. And most everybody also knows, if you choose not to pay them, you may find yourself paying exorbitant fines and/or doing a stint in the pen. So what gives?
The catch is, you have "volunteered" to be a "taxpayer" (title) by "volunteering" yourself to declare your political status as a "U.S. Citizen" or "US CITIZEN". An offer was made by the controlling forces, and you accepted.
The "Commercial Warfare" system (UCC) that we are all embroiled within is based on the simplicity of "contract law", that of "OFFER & ACCEPTANCE".
Within the commercial warfare system, created by the LEGAL (not LAWFUL) system, are millions of fictitious entities generated for the sole purpose of binding men and women within the matrix. An example of a "fictitious entity" would be a "corporation" (talking corpse/dead), like the IRS and Internal Revenue Service (two different corporations). A fictitious entity cannot bind a "real entity" from a LEGAL standpoint, it can only bind a fellow fictitious entity.
Another example of a fictitious entity would be your ALL CAPS NAME corporate/trust vehicle for interacting within the commercial warfare system (commerce). "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS", your "strawman", is not "you", nor is it "your name". "John Quincy Adams" is "your name". So the "MAN", John Quincy Adams" ...and here's a key word -> USES.... the commercial vessel "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS" to interact with and transact within the commercial warfare system.
It is impossible in today's day and age to completely untangle oneself from the commercial warfare system, presuming you have, at a minimum, a birth certificate which is the document used to create your strawman vessel.
Key in further understanding the deception, is that your strawman vessel, "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS", is not yours. It is THEIRS. They created it. They control it. Therefore they OWN it. But they allow you to USE it, so that you unwittingly bind yourself to the commercial warfare system they created -> COMMERCE.
When you turn 18 (age of majority), you become further bound by not recognizing the deception in play. You voluntarily ACCEPT the offer to be a "U.S. Citizen", which is another "fictitious entity" which strips all your natural, God-given (and Constitutional) rights, instead replacing them with "privileges and benefits" that are being OFFERED to you by the creators and controllers of the LEGAL COMMERCE system most are unwittingly aware they are operating under.
The fact that you had another choice is not PRESENTED to you at the time you accept the fictitious title "U.S. Citizen". In LEGAL terminology, the controllers failed to provide us with a proper PRESENTMENT regarding the hidden contract we were binding ourselves to. The other choice being the political status of "National" or "State National", which was the only political status for those born in one of the "United States" prior to the 14th Amendment - which created the "U.S. Citizen", ostensibly to grant a lesser status to the recently freed slaves.
There are many other fictional titles that come with being entangled in the commercial warfare system. To name but a few; Person, Resident, Citizen, Driver, Operator, Owner, Tenant, Joint Tenant, Litigant, Affiant, Defendant, Plaintiff, Petitioner --- and on the other side, additional fictional entities like; Judge, Counselor, Attorney, IRS agent, Bailiff, Clerk, etc.
Starting to get the picture? Men and Women are TEMPORARILY ACTING (Actors) in a FICTIONAL DRAMA (Commerce) as these various characters, or "personas" (Persons). Never in the realm of the LEGAL SYSTEM do any REAL ENTITIES exist. And said real entities are strictly and solely "men and women".
Wrapping your mind around this is the key to understanding. But after a lifetime of deception and brainwashing, it doesn't happen overnight. One needs to study and learn. You can't "get it" with one pass through material.
So back to income taxes. Scholars rightly point out that the Constitution is perfectly clear about stating that men and women's labor, resulting in "wages" SHALL NOT BE TAXED. So what gives then?
As with the UNLAWFUL CONVERSION of a man/woman (National) into a U.S. Citizen, several other conversions must take place. The "wages" of a man/women were converted into the "income" of the ALL CAPS NAME strawman fictional entity. And another "Title" was then offered to you. And said title is "TAXPAYER".
Congratulations, in the stroke of a pen, you have been UNLAWFULLY CONVERTED from being a man/woman who earns wages, into a taxpayer who has an income. And you willfully and voluntarily agreed to it all (because you were ignorant of the LAW of the LAND). Nobody had to coerce you. OFFER & ACCEPTANCE. You accepted their offer of your own free will.
So now you may think you know all this stuff after this brief treatment. If this is your first time hearing it, you're likely spittin' mad that you've been duped. A typical reaction. After you finally calm down and admire the sheer brilliance of what's been pulled off right under your nose, you're now faced with a decision.
Naturally, you've decided you're never going to pay income taxes again. You no longer agree that you're a "taxpayer", nor a "U.S. Citizen" and that you don't earn any income. Seems simple enough, eh?
Not so fast. The problem is, you've almost certainly got a history of paying taxes, and agreeing to being a "taxpayer". So what gives? Were you being honest then and lying now? Or vice versa?
Do you have a bank account? How about a SS card? A drivers license? A mortgage? A wide variety of other legal documents in your ALL CAPS STRAWMAN NAME? This will be a problem for you in front of a judge. As the preponderance of the evidence suggests you are indeed an active and willing slave on their plantation. You will be railroaded in a tax court (assuming you were smart enough to NOT hire an attorney, who is just another "actor" in the game of LEGAL FICTIONS).
You might think you can tell the judge that you figured out the trick and will no longer participate. Do you think the judge will agree with you that there's any trick? Fat chance. He might even order a psychiatric evaluation, have you locked up for observation, fill you up with some helpful pharma chemicals to stabilize your misfiring "brain chemistry".
Get the picture? This is a messy situation. The judge has several dozen ways to demonstrate you're bound to this system. If you are openly speaking with a judge in a tax court, you're guaranteed to lose. So many words have double meanings. What He means and what you think he means are rarely one and the same. And if you want a definition of every other word that comes out his mouth, it's a near certainty that the psyche eval will be issued.
So what are your options now that you know the deception?
As first mentioned, the W-8 BEN filing indicates that you are a "foreigner". That doesn't make much sense, right? What you probably don't understand is that the occupying force in the United States, since 1865, is indeed a foreign power (British Crown). Can you make that case to your employer? To your employers in-house council? To an IRS agent? To a tax court judge? Likely not if you haven't done extensive research on all the shenanigans that have gone on the past 160 years.
The simplest tack for the newbie is to add a larger number of dependents, such that your employer does not withhold any of your earned WAGES. If your HR manager has questions, try the "nunya" approach and reaffirm your request (because it's none of her business!!).
This will get you 75-85% of your currency back in your pocket. The 7.5% FICA withholdings will be lost however. And you can't get those without the W-8 BEN filing, so don't even try.
So let's say you do this. We all know your employer (an unwitting TAX COLLECTING AGENT for the IRS, working for free I might add) will submit your "income" details to the IRS. So eventually, the IRS is gonna come knocking at your door. What do do?
First, under no circumstances should you EVER have a CONVERSATION with an IRS agent. Request everything in writing. Next, in writing, ask them for their definition of a "TAXPAYER", where in the cfr (Code of Federal Regulations) there is a law stating that you, the man/woman, are a "taxpayer". Typically this letter will be ignored, followed by more demands to pay or discuss your "obligation" to them. You must be diligent with continuing the same tack, never ignoring the follow-up notices. Continue to ask for their PROOF that you are a taxpayer.
This tack has ostensibly been working for some people out there. The IRS eventually stops coming around, ignoring all your requests, no longer demanding payment. But will that last forever? What if your taxes are in the millions of dollars? Will they ignore you like the guy who only owes $10K? Nobody knows.
One of the biggest problems with "knowing for sure" what will work and what might not work is that cases and situations like these get scrubbed from the records. There is no such thing as an existing case we can all reference and know with relative certainty that "Just do what the guy in this case did and you'll be fine". The controllers don't want the serfs to learn this, obviously!
Another tack I've heard mentioned as being successful is that when the IRS demands payment, in writing, you respond back with something along the lines of: "If there is a man or woman that says I owe them money, please have them send me a certified letter stating their claim including their name and signature at the bottom of the letter".
Allegedly, they can't or won't ever do this. No man/woman will sign a letter stating such. So I've heard. One of the caveats I'll add to this method is that it comes from a man who has totally and completely figured out the legal system deception. He's "dangerous" to the system. As such, they have chosen to leave him alone. Would the same tack work for the average Joe and Jane trying the same tactic? I cannot say.
I'll also add that there's a guy that used to advertise on the Stew Peters show who, for a fee, will teach you how to avoid paying your income taxes with his system. He claims he hasn't been paying them for 20-30 years now. I know he offers a million dollar guarantee that if you do follow his system and still get taxed, he'll pay your obligation up to that amount. I don't know anything more about what he's doing except to suggest I would imagine he's using similar tactics as outlined above.
The bottom line is this; If you're too lazy to learn the ins and outs of what has been described above, you're likely going to get railroaded, one way or the other, when the tax collector comes a knockin'. There are just too many lies and deceptions we've all be indoctrinated into believing are "truths", coupled with all the semantic deceit embedded in "legalese". Net-Net, somebody who only knows the basic information provided here is not equipped to take on the system. And furthermore, engaging with a card-carrying BAR attorney ensures you'll lose, as they are FORCED to play within the rules of their system.
Excellent summarized post, I see someone has been in the bottomless pit deep dive.
Gracias. it is indeed a "bottomless pit"! :)
Finally actually useful information. Any clue what to search for for this mystical tax guru?
Well his site resolved for me today...not sure why it wasn't last night.
Here's the guys website and Youtube channel:
https://livefreenow.org/ https://www.youtube.com/c/LivefreenowOrg/videos
Based on a cursory listen, it sounds like he's using the "District and its territories" approach. This is another rabbit hole I didn't mention earlier, as it contains some tricky elements. Most notably, that we unwittingly "AGREE" that we live in the "District of Columbia" as defined by the LEGAL SYSTEM --- by using their zip code and state abbreviations on all our correspondence. You have AGREED that you are a "RESIDENT" in their "DISTRICT".
Latin: "Res" = "The thing" & "Ident" = Identified. So a resident is "an identified thing". Said "thing" would be the corporation/trust/strawman vessel "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS" ALL CAPS NAME. As always, none of the LEGAL terms refer to a living man or woman.
The essence of this approach is that government and legal system have extended the "District of Columbia", on paper (i.e. within the LEGAL SYSTEM framework) alone. This is why we have "District Courts". And this is how and why the FEDERAL government has come to claim power over we-the-people and over the states. Whereas, prior to the Civil War, the reverse was the case.
Anyway, perhaps this guys tactics work for most folks, I don't know. As with my earlier advice, you must steer clear of ever using any attorneys, and must understand the nature of the deception so as to not get tricked into admitting you live in their district. Which effectively means, you have to understand that you don't really live at "123 Main St, AnyTown NY 23233", but instead, you live at "123 Main Street, AnyTown New York" in "New York state", not "The State of New York (which is a corporation). And obviously, all your prior paperwork and such was before you understood the trickery (which a judge would never admit to).
So good luck if you take this tack. I'd be curious to hear how it goes if you do.
Mystical? He was a guy that was on the Stew Peters show and advertised there for a few months. I'll try a Rumble search "Stew Peters don't pay income taxes"....and BOOM, here he is:
https://rumble.com/vx4z45-read-my-lips-dont-pay-taxed-freedom-law-school-provides-tax-free-legal-stra.html
Peymon Mottahedeh, founder of Freedom Law School. Claims he hasn't paid taxes for 29 years.
FWIW, it looks like his website isn't resolving right now - that's not a good sign.
Anyway, caveat emptor. I'm not vouching for this guy. I was just mentioning this is one option I'm aware of. Since I feel I understand this trickery pretty well inside and out, I take my chances with the simple methods of asking for definition and proof that I (a man) am a "taxpayer" as well as the letter with signature including claim of obligation). If you go this route, you have to remember to make copies of everything you do, all documents, mailings, using registered mail, etc. As long as you're responsive within a timely manner, usually you have 30-days, but sometimes they get aggressive and only give you 10 days.
Thus far, I haven't been bothered. But I also think they know that I know some things. And I don't earn enough money to be trifled with anyway.
Anyway, good luck! Let us know if you seek this guy out and how things go. I'd be happy to review anything you're uncertain about if need be.
excellent in-depth response Mr Morpheus... .
Let me see if I can condense that a bit for some who may be intimidated by the process...
Stratton's Independence v. Howbert 231 U.S. 399 (1913) "As has been repeatedly remarked, the corporation tax act of 1909 was not intended to be and is not, in any proper sense, an income tax law. This court has decided in the Pollock Case that the income tax of 1894 amounted in effect to a direct tax upon property, and was invalid because not apportioned according to population, as prescribed by the Constitution. The act of 1909 avoided this difficulty by imposing not an income tax, but an excise tax upon the conduct of business in a corporate capacity, measuring, however, the amount of tax by the income of the corporation, . . ."
In other words, It's a usage tax
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When you look at a UNITED STATES NOTE vs a FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE, you will see that the USN has 1 seal on it but the FRN has 2... F.R. seal on one side and the U.S.Treasury on the other side.
The 9th circus has said that the FRN is a dual purpose note, meaning you can chose which you wish to endorse...Lawful money or Private script. If you 'Voluntarily' endorse private script, then you become obligated to abide by the rules of the contract that using FRN's bestows upon you....ALL VOLUNTARILY...
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Remember...ignorance of the law is not an excuse...so yes..It Is the VOLUNTARY use of private script that binds you to their contract.....because forcing you into slavery is against the law.
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Involuntary Servitude
UNITED STATES V. KOZMINSKI, 487 U. S. 931 (1988) “For purposes of criminal prosecution under § 241 or § 1584, the term "involuntary servitude" necessarily means a condition of servitude in which the victim is forced to work for the defendant by the use or threat of physical restraint or physical injury or by the use or threat of coercion through law or the legal process. This definition encompasses cases in which the defendant holds the victim in servitude by placing him or her in fear of such physical restraint or injury or legal coercion.”
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State citizen vs US Citizen...learn the difference
“I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America in accordance with 28 U.S.C. §1746(1) that the foregoing facts are true, correct, and complete to the best of my knowledge and ability, but only when litigated with a jury in a court of a state of the Union and not a federal court.”
All you share is quite correct. But how does somebody who works for an employer manage with this strategy? Ask for payment in gold, silver or bitcoin?
I asked my previous employer and was told my options were direct deposit or corporate check...cash was not even an option. Or, I could pack up my desk at the end of the day.
So presuming this is the case for the vast majority, how would the average working stiff proceed? Once one is in receipt of these "digital dollars", aren't they now bound to the fraudulent FRN currency?
P.S. "The 9th circus"...saw what you did there...nice touch!
It's my understanding that it is how one endorses the check you receive...
Fair enough. So direct deposit wouldn't work then. In this day and age, you'd probably get some eyebrows raised in disbelief from your HR/Finance Manager on that one, because everybody has a bank account, right? But I know most companies still cut expense checks and such so hopefully they wouldn't give you too hard a time.
If I’m not mistaken, make sure your not being supplied with federal of state benefits before you opt out of paying income taxes. In many cases, from what I’ve heard, you lose those benefits. Like health insurance from your employer. For instance I know a teacher getting Cobra insurance ($680) plan for $80 a month. I’m not sure if it’s a state or federal insurance plan, but to opting out of tax payments could jeopardize that plan. Tennessee has Tenncare. I’m almost positive if you stop paying taxes you lose those insurance benefits.
Just something to think about. You could always get your own stuff. Just might wanna look into it first. Some health insurance can get very costly per month.
This is correct as far as unemployment goes. I do not ask for benefits, nor can I receive them, I don't apply for health insurance. Social security is optional program, you pay into it if you want a benefit from it, totally separate.
I don't think the social security tax is optional in any way, shape or form for a w2 employee (only if you are 1099). Just sayin.
I was a w2er once. Everything is optional. You pay, you play. Don't cry for benefits later if you don't save.
Social security is 100% mandatory. It is not possible to exempt yourself on the w-2. I've been paying into the social security system since I got my first job and itll all be gone when I'm ready to receive the benefits
This is incorrect, I have paid in maybe 7 years to ss in my career. S.S. is purely optional; I actually need to go clean out what I have in there. Thinking I may need a new toy of some kind in the future. However, if you're not a saver or a good planner, you may be penny less when it comes time to retire.
Social security deductions are not optional for people who w2.
OK, maybe I was just the only one that slipped through the crack. Have you ever read the s.s. information? Perhaps you should, very interesting stuff, will make you head swell with knowledge. I just grew up knowing I didn't have to pay for anything I don't want to partake in. Why s.s. if there is welfare anyhow, think about that.
What if we just conducted commerce in US Treasury issued Eagles? Their face value is what is recognized LEGALLY.
“Federal Reserve Bank notes, and other notes constituting a part of common currency of country, are recognized as good tender for money, unless specially objected to.”
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925), 159 La. 244, 105 S. 305.
Today, we have two competing monetary systems: The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States Notes and coins. One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income.
United States v. Berg, 636 F.2d 203 (1980).
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Good info here, but it seems to be missing 1 important fact.
https://fedinfo.tripod.com/tax_page.html
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“In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise— the words ‘person’ and ‘whoever’ include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals.”
**U.S. Code › Title 1 › Chapter 1 › § 1 **
Hope this works
u/Morpheus11, u/Tewdryg, u/Corrbrick
Fuck them AND their unconstitutional faggotry
I saw a comment about this on here not that long ago but can’t find it. Someone was told it wasn’t possible and when legal got involved and researched they learned it was possible. Maybe someone else or OP/commenter will read this?
You should share this on Patriots.win as well.
We need to stop paying this fake satanic government any of our fake dollars. Straight up corruption and thievery right in plain sight.
Good post, OP. Useful info
Are you talking about updating the W4 and claiming max exemptions?
sorry yeah thats what I meant lol. I had just woke up and read the news about the inflation act being passed
Why wait do it now.
What if it were actually illegal to pay taxes?
Because helping to fund a criminal organization is a criminal act.
Which would make me a criminal for funding our government.
Why wait?
By posting this, you are really threatening this entire platform. You have no idea of the damage you are causing. Irwin Schiff was imprisoned for promoting this very thing. My suggestion is remove the post.
No. Fuck the FEDS and the IRS. Martyr me, taxman. First amendment, bitch
W-8 BEN
Just write it all income off, even better