The so-called "education system" has messed up an entire generation of young people--undermining their ability to problem solve entirely. People can't do basic things like alphabetizing. It's hard to watch. Job security for the Gen Xers, but WTF happens when they're tired of pulling the wagon for a bunch of lazy, incapable, entitled shitheads?
Yes. You are seeing the effects of the attack on American society. The attack was through education, food, destruction of the nuclear family, destruction of the American identity and culture, destruction of American energy, and destruction of American manufacturing.
Welcome to ww4.
I noticed something similar at three different concerts I recently, in the last year, attended. The excitement level was dampened. There is no EXCITEMENT. Not for anything. It’s very strange.
Gurdjieff ..a spiritual teacher...said that unless people kept in mind every minute of the day the fact that they would die and everyone they spoke to will die there was no hope of them having a spiritual life.
These people have realised the things they did..like play music ..have a hobby etc are ways to pass the time...pointless.....a distraction.....not the true reality of life and we should all be doing this and not waste the very short time we have to start educating ourselves in the true pursuit of happiness and inner peace which is the true pursuit of the American dream.
Starting with Ramana Maharshi ..he spoke only of the true reality...who are you? Where did you come from? Where are you going? These are questions that people are now realising are the ways to liberate yourself from the pointless things in life and get the inner peace and happiness that these enquiries will bring you
Many of my vaxxed friends have become uncharacteristically "low" key this past year. I can't even begin to imagine the torment the vaxxed must feel every time new evidence comes to light of the jab's ruinous poison. And, I pray for them daily.
This makes sense and can only get worse as more is disclosed. So many of those people put all their proverbial emotional eggs in the one basket of being a proud member of "Club Virtuous" - only to have it finally dawn on them that they actually joined "Club Gullible and Easily-Manipulated" - and with the dread of perhaps having to face very dire consequences. The individuals I know in this category are generally fearful anyway and when they finally awaken it's going to be terrifying for them. Despondency is one thing and I hope in time they can pull out of that state of mind. I'm hoping and praying they turn to God and NOT choose suicide as that would be tragic.
So far I haven't had luck with disseminating treatment info. The rabid leftists reject the info outright as they've been trained to by their puppet masters in MSM. They parrot out "That's from a partisan source." and cite 'expert' (sic) studies "That's been proven wrong, that doesn't actually work," etc. They refuse to read opposing doctor's opinions, opposing research or anything else. Sad.
You're also right in that all who reject the anti-narrative info are without faith. That void was apparently filled by the deceiver and his minions.
When the time comes, I'll be getting the treatment protocol info to them - when they're ready to accept it. Right now they'd just delete it.
True. Combine that a lack of learning critical thinking skills, how to weigh risk/benefit analysis for decisions, learn to research and be confident in discussion of issues, etc,ie. discernment, has left us with a mass of people who find it easy to simply be told what to do and happy to go along to get along. I'm reminded of a quote from Marcus Aurelius on the object of life that was posted here:
"The object of life is not to be on
the side of the majority,
but to escape finding oneself in the
ranks of the insane."
In the last six months I met someone who could not differentiate between right leg, left leg on another person. Tell them, “Point to my right leg.” and they point to my left leg. I tried to instruct them to imagine that they are the other person, to no avail. They just could not do it. They were also trans. The whole nation has been dumbed down, psychologically abused, propagandized and intellectually neglected for too long. I feel there are only one in a thousand who are mentally strong enough to be even close to “normal” left. It’s heartbreaking.
"It really feels like the population is dumbed way down."
As much as I want to say "yeah totally people are getting dumber", I can't just agree and leave it at that. Even though that's certainly is how it **feels **things are from my point of view.
There have always been dumb people, but they are God's children, and being a little dim in and of itself doesn't make them inherently difficult people. But it does leave them vulnerable to pitfalls most of us here are able to see clear as day. And the cultural denial of religion leaves those without the mental power to form their own educated opinions of ethics without an ethical framework to cling to. And without strong cultural norms, of course, the "do whatever you want" mentality is going to spread.
I seriously think we're seeing more of a situation where the mentally ill, the lower IQ, and those exposed to street drugs are easy for organizations/media to manipulate. And oh how the speed of manipulation is faster than ever before.
People who have been actively manipulated to bring out the worst versions of themselves, and then those people have the biggest soap box (the internet) in history available with idiot-proof simple UIs that weren't even available in this convenient of a form10 years ago.
And many of them probably could be talked out of their incorrect understanding of the world, but it's a pretty big ask to get someone to stop everything that are doing and flip their understanding of good and evil....especially if they have already made tragic irreversible choices based on the fake version of the world they have been fed. Q said if everyone was just given the truth, hospitals would be overflowing, and I think he meant we would have many people suddenly be ready to "self-delete" in the face of understanding what evils they had been tools to.
And this doesn't even remotely bring up the ramifications of the various traumatic events that make people crappier versions of themselves. 9/11, terrorism, false flags, the economic problems, the food system being abused and tainted (and not even at requiring proper labeling), chemicals, cancer spiking (it has stolen many in my family), etc... People start breaking when they are stepped on too hard. The people who can stomach looking at this forum (moreso for the active researchers who bring us information) are the people with the mental fortitude to "run into a burning building".
So.... Yes, people generally feel frustratingly stupid to deal with.
But we must be careful to remember while some people happen to be dumb, they are far better neighbors than those who are willfully ignorant.
A very thoughtful reply...I see you understand the problems at the moment.
The fluoridated water damaging pineal glands..our third eye .. source of our wisdom and intuition and conscience. As you have noticed the downturn it is very much due to the pineal gland being covered in a white coat..dumbing people down.. vaxxes from day one..this is the source of aluminium in pineal gland
Religion is not the answer ....that's ritual and not the way....
Go inside yourself....Honest enquiry into who you really are? Where did you come from? Where will you go when you die? these are the questions that if you keep praying for answers will bring you inner peace and happiness...
Your post comes off as though you're trying to sound edgy while having not bothered to read the content of what you are replying to.
I was referring to the usefulness of the structure of religion for the low IQ in an objective way, notice I didn't mention a specific type of religion "being the answer". It's simply a fact some people are too dumb to conceptualize empathy or form functional moral structures, and lacking those structures leads low-IQ people to be easily manipulated into awful belief systems and easily caught up in "current thing" insanity because of their lack of innate moral compass.
"that's ritual and not the way...." Ritual is objectively the best many low IQ can manage, and implying otherwise simply is simply not accepting the situation. The ritual doesn't have to be religious, but the charity systems built into many various religions are also objectively useful for those who are not too bright to be able to lean on for structure.
I did mention God, but suggesting humans have the baseline value of being human no matter their intelligence is certainly a viewpoint many non-religious people hold as well.
But yeah, maybe actually read someone's post if you are going to suggest they change their major worldviews. Or don't just get triggered at the mention of God.
Yes I see your point. Can you teach empathy? Or can you acquire it.?
Low iq? Very clever people ..intellect...can have absolutely no emotional intelligence at all....all left brain. While so called low iq can have a very proud spiritual life close to nature
I had thought ritual had its place as right hand side of brain doesn't use words.it responds to .symbols music etc but it's just my opinion that it can be taken as enough..
Why do you equate prayer with religion? Non religious people pray...
Prayer is focussed attention..so say you were ill..you could pray for healing by applying focussed attention on the part of the body and focus on healing...
Before I learned that conspiracy theories weren't theories I knew there was something wrong with the world.
The first thing I noticed was simply that people were dumb, and boring.
People want to fit in. That's cool, but they hide their true selves to do it. The world should be vibrant and colorful, but to be "cool" you have to be a dull grey or you don't fit in.
IQ is on a bell curve. 50% of the world is below average intelligence. A large amount of the people above average intelligence are part of the tall section of the bell, right next to average. The really smart people in the world are just one little tail on the right side of the bell (not the left! the left are the big dummies).
I've always thought it was so depressing to live in a world where so few people possessed intelligence.
I've always felt so limited because I just don't know anyone around me that can help me with my plans and ideas. It's just above their heads or they think "huh that's not what people are already doing so that won't work". Well no kidding nobody has done it before!!! That's why I want to do it!!!!!!
This... complacency... and the expectation of falling in line and being "normal"... that's what's wrong with the world.
I started this post to laugh at low IQ people, but I guess I've changed my mind. It's not the dumb people, it's the complacent people.
I've always thought though, if we have this small tail of smart people (is that what the Q movement is? I'm sure we have our share of dummies along for the ride, but if their heart is in the right place, I welcome them) surely we can figure out how to get all these stupid sheep to fall in line behind US or something.
Don't take that the wrong way. I don't want to be a leader and I don't want to rule over ANYONE, but right now the sheep follow the MSM and the cabal and all those guys. What if the sheep were just persuaded to follow a different shepherd where they're just encouraged to think for themselves and be good people? That way when WE think for ourselves and try to do cool stuff (not necessarily world-saving things, just new things that are fun or interesting) we're not just shut down by default.
I mean I think that's what the Great Awakening would ultimately lead to, but I think they need more leading to get there.
Many are all three and their chosen leader is the supposed leader of the "free" world who stated during his campaign for the presidency that "We have created the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics..". Which may be the last time he uttered any truth.
Third world you say? In what are classed as third world countries..say like India..or Africa where people sleep under the stars ..have just a few possessions they can carry with them...they are happy..they smile a lot . They will help others too.
In western countries there is a service to self culture not service to others...
America pursues happiness in the pursuit of things..
.they correct this when they realise like Donald trump did that having lots of toys becomes meaning less.and the quest for inner peace and happiness begins.
Imo, Biden and his administration have set the bar so low that everyday people think it is perfectly fine to show up to work and be paid no matter how incompetent they are.
Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society, 1953
Page 30:
It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.
This subject will make great strides when it is taken up by scientists under a scientific dictatorship. Anaxagoras maintained that snow is black, but no one believed him. The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. Various results will soon be arrived at. First, that the influence of home is obstructive. Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten. Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective. Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity. . . . It is for future scientists to make these maxims precise and discover exactly how much it costs per head to make children believe that snow is black, and how much less it would cost to make them believe it is dark gray.
Pages 50-51:
Fichte laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. But in his day this was an unattainable ideal: … In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship. Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.
Page 51:
Children will, as in Plato’s Republic, be taken from their mothers and reared by professional nurses. Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton.
Too bad all it does it get people pliable enough to do what they want, just not competently enough to make the process stated above worth anything. This is why societies fail: people who want way too much control cut off the intelligence of the people who they want to control to the point where control is pointless. Then, if that doesn't work, they pit everyone against one another and they wage war.
"It works the same in every country." The story of Babylon can be summed up as: "it falls."
The dishonesty thing you mention is due to social credit-style interactions imo. People will lie to gain status over you if their life is on the line, real or imagined, truth be damned. If informing on your neighbor gave you a better chance at eating during the Soviet Union, you'd do it not because it was right, but because you would starve otherwise. This "socialist" mentality breeds the love out of people. And love is the only thing that can hold together humanity without it regressing back to some prior animalistic stage of social development. You'll have to love them despite what others, at the behest of the state, have moulded them into.
yes, yes and yes
The so-called "education system" has messed up an entire generation of young people--undermining their ability to problem solve entirely. People can't do basic things like alphabetizing. It's hard to watch. Job security for the Gen Xers, but WTF happens when they're tired of pulling the wagon for a bunch of lazy, incapable, entitled shitheads?
Yes. You are seeing the effects of the attack on American society. The attack was through education, food, destruction of the nuclear family, destruction of the American identity and culture, destruction of American energy, and destruction of American manufacturing.
Welcome to ww4.
I noticed something similar at three different concerts I recently, in the last year, attended. The excitement level was dampened. There is no EXCITEMENT. Not for anything. It’s very strange.
Gurdjieff ..a spiritual teacher...said that unless people kept in mind every minute of the day the fact that they would die and everyone they spoke to will die there was no hope of them having a spiritual life.
These people have realised the things they did..like play music ..have a hobby etc are ways to pass the time...pointless.....a distraction.....not the true reality of life and we should all be doing this and not waste the very short time we have to start educating ourselves in the true pursuit of happiness and inner peace which is the true pursuit of the American dream.
Starting with Ramana Maharshi ..he spoke only of the true reality...who are you? Where did you come from? Where are you going? These are questions that people are now realising are the ways to liberate yourself from the pointless things in life and get the inner peace and happiness that these enquiries will bring you
Ecclesiastes' Meaningless, Meaningless.
Thats not very helpful is it
Oh my God. That’s scary. How sad for these people. I keep praying for them. It doesn’t look good, though.
Many of my vaxxed friends have become uncharacteristically "low" key this past year. I can't even begin to imagine the torment the vaxxed must feel every time new evidence comes to light of the jab's ruinous poison. And, I pray for them daily.
This makes sense and can only get worse as more is disclosed. So many of those people put all their proverbial emotional eggs in the one basket of being a proud member of "Club Virtuous" - only to have it finally dawn on them that they actually joined "Club Gullible and Easily-Manipulated" - and with the dread of perhaps having to face very dire consequences. The individuals I know in this category are generally fearful anyway and when they finally awaken it's going to be terrifying for them. Despondency is one thing and I hope in time they can pull out of that state of mind. I'm hoping and praying they turn to God and NOT choose suicide as that would be tragic.
So far I haven't had luck with disseminating treatment info. The rabid leftists reject the info outright as they've been trained to by their puppet masters in MSM. They parrot out "That's from a partisan source." and cite 'expert' (sic) studies "That's been proven wrong, that doesn't actually work," etc. They refuse to read opposing doctor's opinions, opposing research or anything else. Sad.
You're also right in that all who reject the anti-narrative info are without faith. That void was apparently filled by the deceiver and his minions.
When the time comes, I'll be getting the treatment protocol info to them - when they're ready to accept it. Right now they'd just delete it.
It's hard to be excited about anything when you're in constant terror of being nuked, or worse, that an unvaxxed person might be nearby!
Even worse for them to learn that studies now show it is the vaxxed who are dying the most of Covid.
Replacing education with malicious propaganda will do that to a population.
I wish I could updoot this 100 times.
True. Combine that a lack of learning critical thinking skills, how to weigh risk/benefit analysis for decisions, learn to research and be confident in discussion of issues, etc,ie. discernment, has left us with a mass of people who find it easy to simply be told what to do and happy to go along to get along. I'm reminded of a quote from Marcus Aurelius on the object of life that was posted here: "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
It's called laziness.
We've been lulled into complacency for 75 years.
There's no drive, just dependency.
This right here.
It`s not just you.
In the last six months I met someone who could not differentiate between right leg, left leg on another person. Tell them, “Point to my right leg.” and they point to my left leg. I tried to instruct them to imagine that they are the other person, to no avail. They just could not do it. They were also trans. The whole nation has been dumbed down, psychologically abused, propagandized and intellectually neglected for too long. I feel there are only one in a thousand who are mentally strong enough to be even close to “normal” left. It’s heartbreaking.
Crazy story, maybe the tranny was more interested in your middle leg
Low IQ. Probably college educated and running some corporate department as mid level management.
It's somewhat the same in Colorado.
Church, schools and parents used to teach honesty and wisdom.
Nowadays they teach kids how to be fags......
Had too scroll to far down for this answer.
80% of the world are idiots. The stupid used to be culled via nature. We've allowed the stupid to thrive and breed more stupids.
Now you see. Just imagine having trillions at your disposal and here's where we are.
I am in Canada and take my word for it they are stupid every where.
It's not just you.
Society is so dumbed down, it's not even funny. I've noticed it my whole life.
"It really feels like the population is dumbed way down."
As much as I want to say "yeah totally people are getting dumber", I can't just agree and leave it at that. Even though that's certainly is how it **feels **things are from my point of view.
There have always been dumb people, but they are God's children, and being a little dim in and of itself doesn't make them inherently difficult people. But it does leave them vulnerable to pitfalls most of us here are able to see clear as day. And the cultural denial of religion leaves those without the mental power to form their own educated opinions of ethics without an ethical framework to cling to. And without strong cultural norms, of course, the "do whatever you want" mentality is going to spread.
I seriously think we're seeing more of a situation where the mentally ill, the lower IQ, and those exposed to street drugs are easy for organizations/media to manipulate. And oh how the speed of manipulation is faster than ever before.
People who have been actively manipulated to bring out the worst versions of themselves, and then those people have the biggest soap box (the internet) in history available with idiot-proof simple UIs that weren't even available in this convenient of a form10 years ago.
And many of them probably could be talked out of their incorrect understanding of the world, but it's a pretty big ask to get someone to stop everything that are doing and flip their understanding of good and evil....especially if they have already made tragic irreversible choices based on the fake version of the world they have been fed. Q said if everyone was just given the truth, hospitals would be overflowing, and I think he meant we would have many people suddenly be ready to "self-delete" in the face of understanding what evils they had been tools to.
And this doesn't even remotely bring up the ramifications of the various traumatic events that make people crappier versions of themselves. 9/11, terrorism, false flags, the economic problems, the food system being abused and tainted (and not even at requiring proper labeling), chemicals, cancer spiking (it has stolen many in my family), etc... People start breaking when they are stepped on too hard. The people who can stomach looking at this forum (moreso for the active researchers who bring us information) are the people with the mental fortitude to "run into a burning building".
So.... Yes, people generally feel frustratingly stupid to deal with.
But we must be careful to remember while some people happen to be dumb, they are far better neighbors than those who are willfully ignorant.
A very thoughtful reply...I see you understand the problems at the moment.
The fluoridated water damaging pineal glands..our third eye .. source of our wisdom and intuition and conscience. As you have noticed the downturn it is very much due to the pineal gland being covered in a white coat..dumbing people down.. vaxxes from day one..this is the source of aluminium in pineal gland
Religion is not the answer ....that's ritual and not the way....
Go inside yourself....Honest enquiry into who you really are? Where did you come from? Where will you go when you die? these are the questions that if you keep praying for answers will bring you inner peace and happiness...
Your post comes off as though you're trying to sound edgy while having not bothered to read the content of what you are replying to.
I was referring to the usefulness of the structure of religion for the low IQ in an objective way, notice I didn't mention a specific type of religion "being the answer". It's simply a fact some people are too dumb to conceptualize empathy or form functional moral structures, and lacking those structures leads low-IQ people to be easily manipulated into awful belief systems and easily caught up in "current thing" insanity because of their lack of innate moral compass.
"that's ritual and not the way...." Ritual is objectively the best many low IQ can manage, and implying otherwise simply is simply not accepting the situation. The ritual doesn't have to be religious, but the charity systems built into many various religions are also objectively useful for those who are not too bright to be able to lean on for structure.
I did mention God, but suggesting humans have the baseline value of being human no matter their intelligence is certainly a viewpoint many non-religious people hold as well.
But yeah, maybe actually read someone's post if you are going to suggest they change their major worldviews. Or don't just get triggered at the mention of God.
Yes I see your point. Can you teach empathy? Or can you acquire it.?
Low iq? Very clever people ..intellect...can have absolutely no emotional intelligence at all....all left brain. While so called low iq can have a very proud spiritual life close to nature
I had thought ritual had its place as right hand side of brain doesn't use words.it responds to .symbols music etc but it's just my opinion that it can be taken as enough..
Why do you equate prayer with religion? Non religious people pray...
Prayer is focussed attention..so say you were ill..you could pray for healing by applying focussed attention on the part of the body and focus on healing...
Sorry I didn't put it in a way you understood.
Of course....athletes..dancers...artists...all ways to the divine
Are you open to the idea that different groups of people have different IQs? Massive immigration change simce 1965 has altered things.
Also environmental changes can do this too. Look into what leaded gasoline did to global IQ. Crimes against humanity.
A. Incompetent B. Dishonest C. Stupid D. All of the above The answer is D 🎉 All of the above
Yes! I think it's everywhere.
NY reporting. Same here!
Before I learned that conspiracy theories weren't theories I knew there was something wrong with the world.
The first thing I noticed was simply that people were dumb, and boring.
People want to fit in. That's cool, but they hide their true selves to do it. The world should be vibrant and colorful, but to be "cool" you have to be a dull grey or you don't fit in.
IQ is on a bell curve. 50% of the world is below average intelligence. A large amount of the people above average intelligence are part of the tall section of the bell, right next to average. The really smart people in the world are just one little tail on the right side of the bell (not the left! the left are the big dummies).
I've always thought it was so depressing to live in a world where so few people possessed intelligence.
I've always felt so limited because I just don't know anyone around me that can help me with my plans and ideas. It's just above their heads or they think "huh that's not what people are already doing so that won't work". Well no kidding nobody has done it before!!! That's why I want to do it!!!!!!
This... complacency... and the expectation of falling in line and being "normal"... that's what's wrong with the world.
I started this post to laugh at low IQ people, but I guess I've changed my mind. It's not the dumb people, it's the complacent people.
I've always thought though, if we have this small tail of smart people (is that what the Q movement is? I'm sure we have our share of dummies along for the ride, but if their heart is in the right place, I welcome them) surely we can figure out how to get all these stupid sheep to fall in line behind US or something.
Don't take that the wrong way. I don't want to be a leader and I don't want to rule over ANYONE, but right now the sheep follow the MSM and the cabal and all those guys. What if the sheep were just persuaded to follow a different shepherd where they're just encouraged to think for themselves and be good people? That way when WE think for ourselves and try to do cool stuff (not necessarily world-saving things, just new things that are fun or interesting) we're not just shut down by default.
I mean I think that's what the Great Awakening would ultimately lead to, but I think they need more leading to get there.
Ck ur dm.
You are correct. This is already well understood...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww47bR86wSc
Flood the society with entertainment so that everything else (reading, research) becomes uninteresting and cumbersome.
One of my favorite videos points this out. If I were the devil: https://theinfowar.tv/watch?id=6171a948702df30cec8c7c6b
Definitely NOT you. Dumbest mfers in history. I never knew people were so stupid. Pretty sure it's planned.
Many are all three and their chosen leader is the supposed leader of the "free" world who stated during his campaign for the presidency that "We have created the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics..". Which may be the last time he uttered any truth.
They are not more incompetent.
You are just now noticing the lack of competence most people have.
Third world you say? In what are classed as third world countries..say like India..or Africa where people sleep under the stars ..have just a few possessions they can carry with them...they are happy..they smile a lot . They will help others too.
In western countries there is a service to self culture not service to others...
America pursues happiness in the pursuit of things..
.they correct this when they realise like Donald trump did that having lots of toys becomes meaning less.and the quest for inner peace and happiness begins.
I'll bet you a $1 you have no idea what first world and third world country means.
I'll also bet you haven't considered the fact that there's no second world.
Go ahead, research it.
Imo, Biden and his administration have set the bar so low that everyday people think it is perfectly fine to show up to work and be paid no matter how incompetent they are.
Yes, it's just you who is incompetent, stupid and dishonest. Sorry, but you set yourself up for that one!! Kidding.......
Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society, 1953
Page 30:
Pages 50-51:
Page 51:
Too bad all it does it get people pliable enough to do what they want, just not competently enough to make the process stated above worth anything. This is why societies fail: people who want way too much control cut off the intelligence of the people who they want to control to the point where control is pointless. Then, if that doesn't work, they pit everyone against one another and they wage war.
"It works the same in every country." The story of Babylon can be summed up as: "it falls."
The dishonesty thing you mention is due to social credit-style interactions imo. People will lie to gain status over you if their life is on the line, real or imagined, truth be damned. If informing on your neighbor gave you a better chance at eating during the Soviet Union, you'd do it not because it was right, but because you would starve otherwise. This "socialist" mentality breeds the love out of people. And love is the only thing that can hold together humanity without it regressing back to some prior animalistic stage of social development. You'll have to love them despite what others, at the behest of the state, have moulded them into.
we are there already