Ah, big-name researcher @drawandstrike, political writer/pundit, writes for Epoch Times, follow on TS (Brian Cates) or whatever, contributes to many other big-name researcher(s) articles, is posted on this board all the time. He’s a good/interesting/informative read whether you like him/agree or not.
Thanks guys for defending my request. I did look for the information and I could not find it. Instead of calling the OP a liar, I assumed my GoogleFU was not up to par and asked for some verification of his information.
OP must have been having a very bad day.
Catsfive: you may not forgive sir. But I forgive you. Have a good day.
So, you stickied your own post that turns out to be a fake "article" and then threaten a user for calling this out?
Come on man. You've got to be better than this. It's ok to just admit that you didn't realize it wasn't a real article. Everyone makes mistakes and innocent mistakes are of course, forgivable.
As to the general sentiment expressed by the apparently inauthentic graphic.....
One can both forgive, and also administer JUSTICE. We are called to balance out doing both in this temporal realm.
Yah, was gonna say that. When wrong has been done, then indeed, forgiveness is what we give to free ourselves, not to free the wrongdoer (although it may certainly help them).
For the other, being accountable or paying the penance is what frees them.
If you cannot forgive, you are locked into the transgression every bit as much as the transgressor. Basic spiritual law, 101.
The question, and request, are 100% valid regardless of any history of the questioner. Unless you are, like, taking it as a personal afront.
But in posting anything like this, VETTING it beforehand by tracking down a substantial sauce or date, etc, should really be standard practice. In my opinion.
Dramatic, almost outrageous headlines without any sauce, or linkage, etc, posted in some twit should instantly trigger the response of checking where or when it is from, or if it's real. In my opinion.
That would be my first response (hopefully), and I applaud the Texan with the scant posting history.
Should we ALWAYS be asking "sauce, sauce" whenever its not present? Basic due diligence. Basic. As in 101. In my opinion.
That's God's job. In this realm, there will be consequences for those that coordinated these narratives (acts of war) if I have anything to do with it.
Matthew 18: 21-22 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Correct, agreed. Administration of temporal justice, duties which some of us are chosen by God to exercise in this world, is different from vengeance, which belongs to God only.
...You have to ask to receive forgiveness... I am down with God providing forgiveness. I am also ready to forgive anyone who asks for forgiveness and repents. I also believe you can receive forgiveness and still endure the consequences of your actions.
Or rather, receiving forgiveness - something accomplished by the forgiven - is separate from giving forgiveness. Two separate things, and they should not be confused.
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do".
God forgives us daily, constantly. HOWEVER, whether we receive that forgiveness, and grow or become better accordingly, well, that's another matter. In my opinion.
I think you're confusing the responsibility of one (forgiven) with the other (*forgiver). They are two separate things.
Learning to silently forgive others is part of learning the heart of God. If you always insist on someone who transgresses asking for YOUR forgiveness, my goodness.... I don't relish that way of living.
I agree however, that forgiveness and accountability are not mutually exclusive.
I have a family member who has repeatedly stolen from me, tried to destroy my reputation, and uses me. I finally cut ties with him after the death of my father. He cries on FB that I am not a christian because I do not forgive.
I want to love like Jesus, but I don't know how to here. I have tried forgiving, but not interacting until he asks for forgiveness.
With apologies for my long diatribe (although sincerely offered), here's also a practical step with regards to the family member:
Clearly tell him this (i.e. via facebook, in a public place where he cries about your not being Christian, etc)
"I have forgiven you, and I will continue to forgive you, but your actions and behavior have caused me a lot of anguish and hurt. Until you recognize that, and change your behavior, we cannot be connected. The ball is in your court."
Something like that?
If you can. But the most important thing is your connecting with God and finding cleansing and relief from the pain in your own heart by learning how to forgive (forgive means "letting go").
My heart goes out to you. Betrayal is all the worse when it's someone close to you, like a family member. And stealing, slander and abuse are all forms of betrayal.
If you will allow me some (unsolicited) suggestions:
Forgiveness does not mean subjecting yourself to continual abuse, and cutting off can be a critical part of the healing process. Based on even the scant amount you have shared, it sounds justified and probably the best move.
If this family member is accusing your of "not being Christian", does he consider himself a Christian? Because if he doesn't, then how on earth would he know what it means to be Christian. And if he does, then is he really practicing Christian repentance?
But that's beside the point. If the man is not repentant of his ways, then cutting off seems like the right thing to do FOR HIM, as much as for you.
The challenge here I think would be to try to find the way to communicate to him what hurt and harm he is doing to you, if there is any possibility of him NOT really understanding that point. Is he oblivious to the hurt he is inflicting on you? Or is he simply delinquent and unable and unwilling to change?
I would suggest in prayer asking Jesus what if felt like for him when he was betrayed, by his family, by his brothers, by his people, by disciples who turned away and even those who slept at the time of his greatest anguish. To love like Jesus, we need to experience Jesus' heart. If you prayer on this point with determination and sincerity, Jesus can and will, I believe, grace you with experiences of his heart.
When you experience his heart as your own, then not only will you come to understand his capacity to love as well as forgive, but you will likely also find some healing or comfort with regards to the pain and anguish this family member has caused (is causing) you.
To love like Jesus means we have to love Jesus, and loving Jesus involves directly asking him (and begging him when necessary) to share his heart with us, his own feelings. The response may come in the form of a dream, or a realization, or just a feeling that gradually creeps over you or strikes you one day, but it will come.
I firmly believe this is the best way to learn how to love and how to forgive. However, in the meantime, I would also ask God for forgiveness if you still feel pain and resentment in your heart, which is very likely what prevents a sense of forgiveness towards this family member.
But this point is key: learning the heart to forgive is what you do to reconcile yourself with your Heavenly Father. It means letting go of the pain and resentment, the hurt that you have experienced.
And that is something very, very different from allowing someone such as this family member to continue to abuse you (and abuse himself) by this behavior, and/or making things easier for him or ignoring his wrongdoing. They are two separate things.
It may be that even if (when?), unless you have already fully experienced it, you truly experience a sense of forgiveness towards him that you still do not have contact with him. Your forgiveness of him is not contingent upon HIS choice, but on YOUR choice. So you can forgive him but also put in place a boundary and a separation that might well be necessary for both his healing (repentance) and yours.
I hope the distinction here is clear. To me it seems clear. Boundaries protect. But forgiveness is something that happens in YOUR heart, regardless of whether he can receive it or not. And the key to forgiveness is being able to experience and understand, in substance, both Jesus own heart and feelings, and the Father's.
A prayer for your continued Journey. His grace be upon you, ever stronger.
I can hear God speaking to me through your words. I both appreciate your time, words, advice, understanding, and prayer. I will be saying some prayers to make both of our hearts ready.
From personal observation, it seems like the majority of people who fall for these fake articles tend to be older. Usually 65+.
I'm not sure if it's because the internet came pretty late in their lives, and they are just not as computer savvy as others. Or if they come from a time where they are just more trusting.
Maybe society in general will be better at determining fake articles as the older generations die out. I certainly hope so. At least it will cut down a lot of the grandmas and aunties forwarding email about Bill Gates donating a nickel to something every time it is forwarded and other such chain emails. 🤦♀️
Please don't get upset if you're older and can tell a fake story from a real one. I didn't say every older person does this.
I see an issue with this. My family is rather large. Not populous, but size of the folks in my family. Most are probably able to bully the teachers and administrators. How they gonna bully them without a complete ass whoopin? And most of us are great defenders of the kids getting bullied too. Asking for an ass whoopin if you ask me!
Sigh. Unfortunately, or fortunately for our salvation, we HAVE to forgive precisely because of your first sentence. But we don't forget. We learn and make sure it never happens again.
This to me, is just a reminder that people are irreparably damaging their children and that a lot of innocent lives are still yet to potentially be lost due to this death jab social cleansing practice.
Sometimes it's the teachers themselves. My kid has copped it at school, gardasil was one. I ripped into the principal and told him to inform his teachers to shut their mouths since they don't have degrees in vaccine science (even if they did who gives a hoot). One kids reaction to gardasil was unconscious, response "she's just tired" . . . . Huh . . . . .
Forgiveness does not mean letting crimes go unpunished.
It's time to use the same standard of punishment against the DS players that they have used against us.
BTW - vaccine mandates are a death sentence to a % of the population. So a small crime on the surface - mandates - are murder. Many politicians must be tried for murder for the laws they passed.
The only right choice the parents need to make is to take their kids out of public school and find a suitable alternative. There are many ways to home school that don't require the parents to be the teachers. When enough kids leave the woke schools, the empty classrooms will be hard to ignore. It will also give parents reason to demand school closures since the few attending can be consolidated and empty schools shuttered to reduce cost and thus taxes. When Trump gets back he'll support bills where student subsidies follow the student and don't go automatically to the school. When schools lose the funding, the teachers will be let go.
Date of article? Link?
No comment. Site moderators know what they're doing.
Not surprised. At all. It's sad that people here don't bother to do the most basic fact checking before reposting this type of stuff.
It doesn't say much for the intelligence or credibility of someone, if they believe everything they see (as long as it confirms their bias).
🤷♀️
Brain Cates searched and can’t find it either.
Who?
Lol…I wrote “brain”…
Brian Cates.
Either spelling - who? No idea who that is.
Ah, big-name researcher @drawandstrike, political writer/pundit, writes for Epoch Times, follow on TS (Brian Cates) or whatever, contributes to many other big-name researcher(s) articles, is posted on this board all the time. He’s a good/interesting/informative read whether you like him/agree or not.
Literal Chinese owners.
Thanks guys for defending my request. I did look for the information and I could not find it. Instead of calling the OP a liar, I assumed my GoogleFU was not up to par and asked for some verification of his information.
OP must have been having a very bad day.
Catsfive: you may not forgive sir. But I forgive you. Have a good day.
Last post: 1 year ago.
It's utterly KEKlarious getting "Sauce? Sauce?" from a frog whose last post was 1 year ago.
Ponder your existence, frog.
Except... this one is close:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/15/magazine/unvaccinated-ethics.html
hmmmmm, it is interesting, yes ?
"close", it's not the headline from the screenshot you have posted because screenshot is fake
But the posted one, if fake, is fake, regardless.
Agree. I got suckered by this one
Thank bloody goodness!!!
Just shows. You're not only a cat, you're also human. Well, and a frog, too.
If nothing else, this kinda post keeps us all on our toes, too.
So, you stickied your own post that turns out to be a fake "article" and then threaten a user for calling this out?
Come on man. You've got to be better than this. It's ok to just admit that you didn't realize it wasn't a real article. Everyone makes mistakes and innocent mistakes are of course, forgivable.
As to the general sentiment expressed by the apparently inauthentic graphic.....
One can both forgive, and also administer JUSTICE. We are called to balance out doing both in this temporal realm.
Good on ya fren ! Bold!
Yah, was gonna say that. When wrong has been done, then indeed, forgiveness is what we give to free ourselves, not to free the wrongdoer (although it may certainly help them).
For the other, being accountable or paying the penance is what frees them.
If you cannot forgive, you are locked into the transgression every bit as much as the transgressor. Basic spiritual law, 101.
Agree
tut tut, mon chat.
The question, and request, are 100% valid regardless of any history of the questioner. Unless you are, like, taking it as a personal afront.
But in posting anything like this, VETTING it beforehand by tracking down a substantial sauce or date, etc, should really be standard practice. In my opinion.
Dramatic, almost outrageous headlines without any sauce, or linkage, etc, posted in some twit should instantly trigger the response of checking where or when it is from, or if it's real. In my opinion.
That would be my first response (hopefully), and I applaud the Texan with the scant posting history.
Should we ALWAYS be asking "sauce, sauce" whenever its not present? Basic due diligence. Basic. As in 101. In my opinion.
This ☝️. 100% this.
I've seen this screenshot 3 days ago, article doesn't exist, it's a fake headline.
That's God's job. In this realm, there will be consequences for those that coordinated these narratives (acts of war) if I have anything to do with it.
Matthew 18: 21-22 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Correct, agreed. Administration of temporal justice, duties which some of us are chosen by God to exercise in this world, is different from vengeance, which belongs to God only.
Matthew 23:12
...You have to ask to receive forgiveness... I am down with God providing forgiveness. I am also ready to forgive anyone who asks for forgiveness and repents. I also believe you can receive forgiveness and still endure the consequences of your actions.
God can do anything he wants without asking me :)
Very good point! Even Moses paid dearly. Bith strong men of God. If they pay... who are we to dodge our payments?
Yah, that's simply not true.
Or rather, receiving forgiveness - something accomplished by the forgiven - is separate from giving forgiveness. Two separate things, and they should not be confused.
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do".
God forgives us daily, constantly. HOWEVER, whether we receive that forgiveness, and grow or become better accordingly, well, that's another matter. In my opinion.
I think you're confusing the responsibility of one (forgiven) with the other (*forgiver). They are two separate things.
Learning to silently forgive others is part of learning the heart of God. If you always insist on someone who transgresses asking for YOUR forgiveness, my goodness.... I don't relish that way of living.
I agree however, that forgiveness and accountability are not mutually exclusive.
I have a family member who has repeatedly stolen from me, tried to destroy my reputation, and uses me. I finally cut ties with him after the death of my father. He cries on FB that I am not a christian because I do not forgive.
I want to love like Jesus, but I don't know how to here. I have tried forgiving, but not interacting until he asks for forgiveness.
With apologies for my long diatribe (although sincerely offered), here's also a practical step with regards to the family member:
Clearly tell him this (i.e. via facebook, in a public place where he cries about your not being Christian, etc)
"I have forgiven you, and I will continue to forgive you, but your actions and behavior have caused me a lot of anguish and hurt. Until you recognize that, and change your behavior, we cannot be connected. The ball is in your court."
Something like that?
If you can. But the most important thing is your connecting with God and finding cleansing and relief from the pain in your own heart by learning how to forgive (forgive means "letting go").
I have received some good advice from my frenz here. Thank you for you time in responding. I will be in lrayer that God changes both of our hearts.
My heart goes out to you. Betrayal is all the worse when it's someone close to you, like a family member. And stealing, slander and abuse are all forms of betrayal.
If you will allow me some (unsolicited) suggestions:
Forgiveness does not mean subjecting yourself to continual abuse, and cutting off can be a critical part of the healing process. Based on even the scant amount you have shared, it sounds justified and probably the best move.
If this family member is accusing your of "not being Christian", does he consider himself a Christian? Because if he doesn't, then how on earth would he know what it means to be Christian. And if he does, then is he really practicing Christian repentance?
But that's beside the point. If the man is not repentant of his ways, then cutting off seems like the right thing to do FOR HIM, as much as for you.
The challenge here I think would be to try to find the way to communicate to him what hurt and harm he is doing to you, if there is any possibility of him NOT really understanding that point. Is he oblivious to the hurt he is inflicting on you? Or is he simply delinquent and unable and unwilling to change?
I would suggest in prayer asking Jesus what if felt like for him when he was betrayed, by his family, by his brothers, by his people, by disciples who turned away and even those who slept at the time of his greatest anguish. To love like Jesus, we need to experience Jesus' heart. If you prayer on this point with determination and sincerity, Jesus can and will, I believe, grace you with experiences of his heart.
When you experience his heart as your own, then not only will you come to understand his capacity to love as well as forgive, but you will likely also find some healing or comfort with regards to the pain and anguish this family member has caused (is causing) you.
To love like Jesus means we have to love Jesus, and loving Jesus involves directly asking him (and begging him when necessary) to share his heart with us, his own feelings. The response may come in the form of a dream, or a realization, or just a feeling that gradually creeps over you or strikes you one day, but it will come.
I firmly believe this is the best way to learn how to love and how to forgive. However, in the meantime, I would also ask God for forgiveness if you still feel pain and resentment in your heart, which is very likely what prevents a sense of forgiveness towards this family member.
But this point is key: learning the heart to forgive is what you do to reconcile yourself with your Heavenly Father. It means letting go of the pain and resentment, the hurt that you have experienced.
And that is something very, very different from allowing someone such as this family member to continue to abuse you (and abuse himself) by this behavior, and/or making things easier for him or ignoring his wrongdoing. They are two separate things.
It may be that even if (when?), unless you have already fully experienced it, you truly experience a sense of forgiveness towards him that you still do not have contact with him. Your forgiveness of him is not contingent upon HIS choice, but on YOUR choice. So you can forgive him but also put in place a boundary and a separation that might well be necessary for both his healing (repentance) and yours.
I hope the distinction here is clear. To me it seems clear. Boundaries protect. But forgiveness is something that happens in YOUR heart, regardless of whether he can receive it or not. And the key to forgiveness is being able to experience and understand, in substance, both Jesus own heart and feelings, and the Father's.
A prayer for your continued Journey. His grace be upon you, ever stronger.
I can hear God speaking to me through your words. I both appreciate your time, words, advice, understanding, and prayer. I will be saying some prayers to make both of our hearts ready.
Fake screenshot. Do not share.
Fake and gay
This is fake
Fake article title.
Show the actual article from the NYT or GTFO.
Fake AF
Why do we let this shit degrade board quality?
u/Catsfive you know better than this :(
Agree
From personal observation, it seems like the majority of people who fall for these fake articles tend to be older. Usually 65+.
I'm not sure if it's because the internet came pretty late in their lives, and they are just not as computer savvy as others. Or if they come from a time where they are just more trusting.
Maybe society in general will be better at determining fake articles as the older generations die out. I certainly hope so. At least it will cut down a lot of the grandmas and aunties forwarding email about Bill Gates donating a nickel to something every time it is forwarded and other such chain emails. 🤦♀️
Please don't get upset if you're older and can tell a fake story from a real one. I didn't say every older person does this.
Cant tell the difference between real leftist hate and satirical leftist hate
I see an issue with this. My family is rather large. Not populous, but size of the folks in my family. Most are probably able to bully the teachers and administrators. How they gonna bully them without a complete ass whoopin? And most of us are great defenders of the kids getting bullied too. Asking for an ass whoopin if you ask me!
Sigh. Unfortunately, or fortunately for our salvation, we HAVE to forgive precisely because of your first sentence. But we don't forget. We learn and make sure it never happens again.
I agree though, makes you tough so you can come back and kick ass.
There are no words to describe this.
I leave the reader to re-read the Newspaper headline.
This to me, is just a reminder that people are irreparably damaging their children and that a lot of innocent lives are still yet to potentially be lost due to this death jab social cleansing practice.
Sometimes it's the teachers themselves. My kid has copped it at school, gardasil was one. I ripped into the principal and told him to inform his teachers to shut their mouths since they don't have degrees in vaccine science (even if they did who gives a hoot). One kids reaction to gardasil was unconscious, response "she's just tired" . . . . Huh . . . . .
Forgiveness does not mean letting crimes go unpunished.
It's time to use the same standard of punishment against the DS players that they have used against us.
BTW - vaccine mandates are a death sentence to a % of the population. So a small crime on the surface - mandates - are murder. Many politicians must be tried for murder for the laws they passed.
Are these the same people that want to us to act like the man in front of us is a woman? Boy they can dish it out, but they can’t take it can they?
What it should do is make parents pull their children out of the failed public schools. We home-schooled for 23 years - it works!
The only right choice the parents need to make is to take their kids out of public school and find a suitable alternative. There are many ways to home school that don't require the parents to be the teachers. When enough kids leave the woke schools, the empty classrooms will be hard to ignore. It will also give parents reason to demand school closures since the few attending can be consolidated and empty schools shuttered to reduce cost and thus taxes. When Trump gets back he'll support bills where student subsidies follow the student and don't go automatically to the school. When schools lose the funding, the teachers will be let go.
God also hates.
God may forgive, but that doesn't stop us from not. Some sins are unforgivable, even in God's eyes. Messing with kids is one of those sins.
Forgiveness is NOT equivalent to condoning. Separate things.
I'd ask why my ability to downvote has been restricted, but I doubt I'd get a valid answer and I really don't care.
And upvoting now too? I didn't realize Zucc was running this board.
That won't end up in the favor of the bullies or those that encourage it.