While different sins require different punishments, the nature of sin, regardless of which one, is the same from God’s perspective. A single sin of disobedience forever separated man from God to eternal damnation. Christ’s redemptive action on the cross paid the debt owed for every sin once and for all. Accepting it forgives our sin, pays the debt we owe, and removes the sentence that awaits us after death.
Man didn’t do a thing to earn his salvation. It’s a free gift from God that has already been awarded to everyone, regardless of what sins are committed. If you don’t claim the reward by the deadline, it’s your own fault.
Yes, the saving power of Christ is that powerful. He already bore the penalty for all sin, no matter how grievous.
I doubt Fauci, Gates, et al. would take the offer though. Their pride it seems knows no bounds, and pride is the one thing that can and will keep you from Christ permanently.
From the context of Christ talking about the unpardonable sin, it seems that that sin is attributing a work done by the Holy Spirit to a devil, as that’s what the Pharisees were doing when Christ gave the warning. I generally use the pride definition when talking to people who aren’t saved or aren’t familiar with the Bible, don’t want to give them the false impression that they can’t get saved even if they want to.
RE: Fauci, Gates, InsertWorstPersonHere can be saved?
100% - if they repent and accept the covering of Jesus' sacrifice.
Matthew 5
Jesus' words in verses 43-46:
“You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
Paul in the Bible, was like the leader of ISIS back in those times - he Hunted Christians and Killed them.
God changed Paul - Paul ended up becoming one of the most influential figures in the Bible for spreading the Gospel.
BTW - this doesn't erase the need for Justice on Earth.
It just acknowledges the limitless reach of God's offer that is extended to each and every person that ever lived regardless of what they had done.
Think of it this way; Imagine for a minute what God could do with a Jesus turned Fauci or Gates. if truly saved they could do a world of good through exposing all the other bad actors, government and shadiness they’ve been involved with.
Say my own world is crumbling around me, and the stress keeps building up and up, until one day I explode on someone: could be a sibling, parent, grandparent, friend, colleague, spouse, or worst of all a child. Is that an irredeemable sin for which there is no help, even though circumstances beyond my control pushed me passed my breaking point?
If you’re still breathing and capable of conscious thought, you can be saved (Romans 10:8-11, 1 John 1:6-10). Christ understands whatever struggles you’re going through; He was tempted in every single way you have been (Hebrews 4:15).
No one is irredeemable in the eyes of God. The fact that you know it’s wrong is the first step to salvation. First though you must repent and truly try to change. Also you can ask Jesus (once saved) to help you change your thoughts/actions and help you to avoid a particular sin. If you do sin again, repent and ask forgiveness again. This will be an ongoing inner work between you and the savior. God is great and he is for all. No sin is too big for him. He has seen it all and all has been forgiven in those who truly repented and stepped on their path to righteousness. You too, will be forgiven and helped. But you must confess to Jesus and ask him for forgiveness to be able to receive the gift he left for you on the cross.
We all fail and fall short of the glory of God. He is upright and perfect. He is Holy and unholiness, uncleanness separates us from him.
We can't do anything of our own accord to save ourselves:
The best we can do would be like rags before him.
No man can come to the Father, except through the Son.
Jesus knew and God knows that we will face hurdles, challenges, trials, and tests in this life. It is impossible for human beings in our fallen state to 100% avoid sin, so what we must do is resolve to try.
We can almost always cutout obvious and overtly sinful behaviors and attitudes, but it is the more subtle things that get us. Pride, Egotistical Thinking, Wrath. Jesus paid for all of those on the cross.
If you are trying to keep a life consistent with Biblical precepts, consistent with what the Lord asked us to do, though failing at times, and you are already a Christian, know that this won't separate you from God. When you fail, ask forgiveness, and move forward.
If you are not a Christian, and the living water is spurring the seed of faith inside you, know this. There is nothing you can do that he cannot forgive. The worst sinner can be saved. As long as you are alive and conscious and able to seek salvation and forgiveness, you are not too far gone.
Pick up your cross and follow him, and likewise, if you are already a Christian, or want to rededicate you life. Deny yourself (you innate desires for sin, lust, ego, etc) and pick up that cross. The yoke is easy and the burdens light.
Precisely. It is very much a choice to remain in rebellion with Satan, dying with your sin on your shoulders, or surrendering to God, and dying to your sins, being reborn by the death and resurrection of Jesus on the cross. Jesus already shouldered our burdens, and if we choose God, choose to end our rebellion, choose to surrender to his perfect will, love, mercy, and grace, then we can be with him in paradise.
God is good. I am full glad to have settled the account. Sin doesn't have anything on grace and forgiveness. Once you realize how sin hurts you, your self respect, your self image, your self worth, which is hard to rationalize when you are young, but unceasing as an adult, you realize that sin isn't worth it. It seperates you from God, and it makes you feel awful, rotten, low, and a practice of it leads to worse and worse places.
As we approach Good Friday, and indeed Easter Sunday, It is a good thing to remember and focus our lives on, re-dedication, surrender, and to do our best to emulate the perfect obedience demonstrated to us by the King of Kings.
Glorify and Honor these names: Jehovah, Jesus, Holy Spirit. We bring glory and honor and praise to you in the precious and Holy Name of Jesus Christ, Amen!
1.) You must first examine and look at what you consider to be your failings, and see what you have done lives up to the value system you have now.
If you can find these things, and find moments where you cannot live up to your own standards, then you must ask: "How then could I have lived up to God's standards?"
2.) If you have the humility there to look inwardly and find failings, and you have decided that they were failings, you have to acknowledge that you have taken a critical step. You have changed your mind, and by this, we mean, repented. Repentance means to change your mind.
If you have repented, or realized and judged for yourself that you have been or have walked in error, and changed your ways regarding this, then consider this.
3.) A repentant man is a man who wants to forgive himself, but what is more important is forgiveness of God. There is a free gift of forgiveness of sins if we but ask. All we need to do, is to acknowledge and confess our faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is able to forgive you, who is able to make that intercession between our sins, our failures, before Almighty God. We open the door, to that knock on our heart's door.
4.) Finally, now that we have answered the door, and invited Jesus in, we want to walk with him who has saved us by his death on the cross. We want to avoid sin, we want to remain open to serving the Lord, and sharing our testimony with others, that the seeds we plant, may be watered, and grow into salvation and forgiveness of sins in the life of another who has realized their mistakes.
God is so much love that he gave his begotten Son, a Son of his own nature, perfect and blameless to die a brutal death, after humiliation, mockery, betrayal, sport, and hatred, by the very people he came to save. If you will let go of the pride, drop the guard, and simply reach out to him, you may be surprised.
I found Lord Jesus when my pride was in tatters, and with my ego stilled, when I had realized the magnitude of so many failures, lines walked, filthy moments, and I reached out. He was there. I hope the same for you. Honestly.
You must believe to be saved. This is not the same as being saved through good works. Belief is not a work. It's not a thing you do in the world for the good of other people or for the good of the world.
You can't be good to be saved because we are not perfect and God's standard is perfection. i.e. you can't save yourself by being a good person because none of us are.
No secret here, just a gross misunderstanding of reality.
You think the universe is deterministic, it's not. We have free-will and choose what to believe. If you want to reject God when presented with every opportunity to accept Him, well, you get what you deserve. What we all deserve. Your main problem is your deep misunderstanding of sin, of the nature of God, and of justice.
You could right now choose to earnestly seek out God or simply choose to believe. You probably won't because you think you are smarter than your creator, but that is as always your choice.
See? You all fail at simple logic. If I MUST do something to be saved. It's all up to me to save me. I state this very obvious logical concept and get down-voted for it.
It's not even worth the conversation at this point. We can't even agree on fundamentals.
Love your enemies and don't trespass against those that trespass against you.
Sounds like God could learn from reading his own book.
The problem is you ignore what people are saying to instead argue against the made up Christian in your mind.
I initially said you can't save yourself, yes, but the meaning here which is commonly understood (except by you) is that you can't save yourself through good works. This is what Christians are talking about when debating between salvation through faith and "doing something" to save yourself.
I absolutely do not agree that choosing to believe is a work. How is sitting in your house, and one day deciding to believe, a thing that you do in the world that is good? It's not. Going to your local soup kitchen and feeding poor people is a good work. But you will never save yourself no matter how much you do that. The only way to be saved is to accept the gift of salvation from God. In the most literal sense, yes, that is you saving yourself. It is done by accepting the salvation provided by Jesus Christ. No one disagreed with this. You simply don't know what is being discussed and are therefore ignorant of the topic. All the while pontificating on the illogicality of the people you ignorantly bash your head against.
And relating to your other comment about not being an atheist, you certainly come across as one. You act pompous and vain like you are better than the people you speak with because you think you know something they don't. You aren't here to learn or to convince, but simply to "win" the discussion and put those "dumb illogical Christians" in their place. This is the result of a lack of faith in the Lord. Anyone who has faith in Him sees Him and the Truth He presents in the Bible, which you flippantly dismiss because you think you know better than God.
Let me guess, 'muh personal relationship' and you "don't need no church"? Nor do you think you need an objective measure to base your belief in God on, and instead you somehow think you will come to the truth all on your own using your fallible eyes, fallible ears, fallible brain, and the rest of your fallible capabilities as a human?
If at a base level, you cannot understand the concept of free will, then the road ahead will be paved in difficulty for you. You will use reductionist "logic" to slow-walk the entire concept back to a single point, that the act of making the choice about anything at all must be evidence that since you had to chose, you were not free to do so. You taking that stance is instead, evidence that you are actually arguing for your own enslavement within the idea of free will that you would refer to it yourself as a "trap". You are fine to argue this, but it does not make you right, and a true righteous God would be justified in his ignorance of you. He does love and care for you regardless.
A flawed analogy. God made us perfect; we CHOSE to rebel alongside Satan.
The gun was always necesary for self-defense, but we chose to commit an offense with it.
The gun is free will. Without free will, you are naught more than an automaton. Without free will, you have no sentience, only obedience.
Do you think God would want to surround himself with people that couldn't freely think for themselves, or choose for themselves?
It would be like a collection of fine tools; All nice, but ultimately unable to do anything outside of the artisan. A robotic arm can do nothing without a programmer, despite endless possibility, if it is not told to perform an action, it cannot, and will not perform that action.
You get a chance to choose, remain in rebellion, or surrender those sins to Jesus Christ who can save you. If you die with those sins still of your own account, then you will account for them all before the Father, when he decides if you should depart with the damned.
Make no mistake, God will put an end to suffering, misery, pain, strife; but to do that, he must make a full end of sin and those who remain in rebellion.
It is my personal belief, not scripturally backed, that God wants people who have known the pain of sin who desire to put it behind them, that will be his people. This is what I want for sure, to be remade, and be perfect. I don't deserve it, but I hope for it none the less.
See this is where you have to have come to an understanding of objective good and evil. Let me tell you a story of one of the sins that I am not proud about.
I slept around with married women, on more than one occasion. I knowingly did this, because I wanted to have sex. I was desperate, not just for sex, which was the idol I bowed before, but for validation, and to be wanted. What I did was wrong. I violated the trust of other people, it was unethical. As a matter of fact I slept around while I was married, but separated, with other married but separated people too, and the separation was my fault. I frequented massage parlors, strip clubs, and had sexual interactions with anyone who would have me. I eventually contracted and STD. I received the penalty for my errors. I consider this to be a mercy now. A wake up call that what I was doing and how I was living was incorrect.
What I was doing was wrong. People hurt because of me. People suffered because of me, not only that, I suffered because of me, my psyche suffered because of me. I look back on these things and I hurt. I am sad. I know other people hurt because of me. I am honestly sorry that I ever did these things, and that is the key.
"Repentance" means to have a "change of mind." I changed my mind; I was not a good and upright person.
It was revealed to me by natural revelation, it was unclean, unsightly, unholy, it promoted the breakup of marriages. It was unsightly, it was incorrect, it was not upright.
Salvation is freely given. There is nothing that you could do to earn it. Jesus Christ already paid the debt on the cross. I deserve 100% to burn in hell. I know that with every fiber of my being.
You remain in rebellion, because you ultimately choose to bow before the sin, before the ego, before the pleasures of the world, carnality. I know for a fact you have a lifetime of unsavory interactions, weakness, things that you would rather the light never touch. All sinners have this shame.
You know in your heart of hearts that the sin is wrong. You know deep down, that the sin makes you feel uneasy. You think it is conditioning, but I know it is shame.
Change your mind, or as we say, repent. Repent and Acknowledge the Savior, the Son of God, the one who can save you from hellfire, who can remake you without those sins.
This is why I serve Jesus, and while you may not trust what I have to say, I can tell you that my life is better, I am happier, and I have resolved to change because there was hope for me. Without Lord Jesus, I would have ended my life.
I found him crying in my project car, wanting to die for all of my sins, failures, unsavory moments, weaknesses, failings, and unrighteousness. He saved me and pulled me out. So I serve him, and I hope that my testimony reaches you honestly.
In my own relationship with Jesus I would feel incredibly guilty if I didn’t take that money and use it for good. Stop complaining that some Christian’s are rich. They may have a tougher road ahead because of it but need everyone here. As long as she is on the side of God I say go ahead and take all the money you earned in hell, bring it over here and use it to build the kingdom of God. If God doesn’t want her to have it he can take it from her in an instance. Instead he may decide to use it for his own plans. Either way. Trust God.
Nobody is beyond redemption through Christ Jesus, nobody. There is no amount of money that can buy it. No good deeds can earn it. It is a free gift given by God's grace.
She made $240 million on only fans? That’s unbelievable. That’s more than top NFL talent make in their whole career while destroying their body and brain
Good for her. I hope she can get all the online stuff, which I’m sure is still out there scrubbed. I wonder if she can threaten lawsuits to those who continue to advertise her past? The name Angela is a much more beautiful name too.
Most of the people paying for OF are so sexually warped that they need “new” females to get aroused to.
When you’ve been saturated in pornography since 9/10 years old, you start to need more and more to get the same “high”.
The warping of young minds in the past 20-30 years has had its negative effects on society.
The greatest proof that anyone should need that Jesus rose from the tomb is that fact that 2000 years later He is still dramatically changing lives! Praise be to God!
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to pass through the gates of heaven.
Sure she found Jesus!
But only after she spread her disease to how many others?
And she got filthy rich doing it!
If it is that easy, then hell will be empty. I personally don't believe you get a pass for all the things have done in your life. It makes a nice fairytale though.
If they mean it and truly regret their decisions, where exists the problem? If they don't God knows they are full of shit and won't entertain their deception.
You think you are better or more deserving than them because you place different sins on a value hierarchy. God does not and would punish us all the same for any sin.
Good luck working your way to heaven. You won't succeed.
This forgiveness bullshit is just an out for those that want to live in sin, but still delude themselves into thinking they can get into heaven at the end.
And I don't put my self on some high pedestal. I'll face the same judgment for my shortcoming as every other swinging dick out there.
Jesus took the punishment on Himself for you, that’s why He died on a cross. The punishment that would have and should have gone to you went to Christ instead, and in turn you get His righteousness applied to your account. That’s the offer of the gospel, that’s how you get into heaven. The offer has been made and paid for, all you have to do is admit that you need it and accept it.
While you are forgiven of sin you will not be able to escape the hell you created on earth until judgement day comes. If you did those things you would need a huge amount of faith to truly believe you’re saved and walk in that with Jesus. My guess is many wouldn’t even be able to forgive themselves let alone ask God to forgive them for evil deeds. Not that it’s impossible but imo the greater the sin the harder it is to find that salvation.
Food for thought. The apostle appointed to Gentiles once went door to door rounding up believers and getting them condemned as criminals. Paul.
The thief on the cross was told he would be in heaven that day with Jesus after he expressed his faith.
David had someone murdered by the enemy so he could have his wife ... Yet he was ultimately forgiven and known as a man after God's own heart.
"For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) He is a perfectly JUST God, which means any sin must be atoned for. His standards are perfection, so no human could possibly live up to his standard and all would be doomed to hell. That is why his own son, God in human flesh, came to pay the price. But, as God respects our free will he doesn't force the gift on anyone. If someone doesn't wish to be with him for eternity, then he honors their desire and they go to a place of eternal separation from him.
I asked a clarifying question since I wasn't sure of your meaning and I still get hit with this trash lol
I can't argue because I don't even have any idea what you are saying.
What is "all" a key word in? Supporting or dispelling the notion of God's mercy not being available to everyone? If you are saying the latter, I fully agree. If not, I disagree.
All that money surely could get her lost again. So pray for her that she will not stray from her relationship with Jesus and that she will be guided to use her money to help building the kingdom of God on earth and fight against evil.
This is the same mental tactic BLM and Antifa thugs use to justify their hate. History has already written that racism happened and there is nothing we can pay to correct it. But demand payment anyway.
Your way of thinking suggests she has a Heaven Card the moment she has turned her direction towards Jesus. You don't see where she will be paying for these sins down the road already? She was sexual deviant, with a record, and a child. I can already tell you when that child hits 12, she will be targeted for bullying from the dug up history of her mother's sins. And as that mother she is going to navigate that whole thing herself, the resentment, the self hatred, the familial betrayal. She isn't anywhere near a clearing to just be heavenly going forward, there will be tests to her proclaimed faith from now on.
I know full well I am not the best person to speak about it, having started my own travel to discover Jesus and witness his movement in my own life fairly recently. But we all have seen actions having consequences in this board and how future events prove past statements. We, of all people, should take in consideration the future our actions carve.
Just as a reminder, suffering the consequences of sin is not the same thing as paying for sin. If she has repented and placed her faith in Jesus (and it looks like she has), then Christ has payed for all of her sin without exception.
What test would be sufficient for you, and where from scripture would you get this test from? Since when has there been a “probationary period” for new believers?
Paul imprisoned and murdered Christians before he got saved, and while his local church feared him even after his conversion for obvious reasons, once another brother in Christ told them of Paul’s experience with Christ, the church embraced him with open arms. Can we not do the same, and not judge who’s “really” saved and who’s not?
He who looks upon a woman with lust is an adulterer too. Are any of us any better than her? God is no respecter of persons.
I never said anything whether or not it's "sufficient." I am saying her claim to find Jesus will be tested from her past actions. Not that it is a divine test, just that her future will show herself and others how serious she will be.
Will she break? Will she blame God for being quiet when her child is being bullied? Or will she find strength from her new actions and direction? Will she find the spiritual strength to teach fortitude to her child on Jesus? Only time will tell, and ultimately it's between her and Jesus by that point.
While different sins require different punishments, the nature of sin, regardless of which one, is the same from God’s perspective. A single sin of disobedience forever separated man from God to eternal damnation. Christ’s redemptive action on the cross paid the debt owed for every sin once and for all. Accepting it forgives our sin, pays the debt we owe, and removes the sentence that awaits us after death.
Man didn’t do a thing to earn his salvation. It’s a free gift from God that has already been awarded to everyone, regardless of what sins are committed. If you don’t claim the reward by the deadline, it’s your own fault.
so Fauci and Gates after killing tens of millions can be saved.
Yes, the saving power of Christ is that powerful. He already bore the penalty for all sin, no matter how grievous.
I doubt Fauci, Gates, et al. would take the offer though. Their pride it seems knows no bounds, and pride is the one thing that can and will keep you from Christ permanently.
Technically the one sin not capable of being forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit- if you’re defining that to mean pride then yes.
From the context of Christ talking about the unpardonable sin, it seems that that sin is attributing a work done by the Holy Spirit to a devil, as that’s what the Pharisees were doing when Christ gave the warning. I generally use the pride definition when talking to people who aren’t saved or aren’t familiar with the Bible, don’t want to give them the false impression that they can’t get saved even if they want to.
The Apostle Paul was a Christian killer.
A Christian killer that repented in a massive way.
Yep. Christ’s death is sufficient for all.
They have the capacity to be in theory. In practice I'm fairly confident they're devout worshippers of Satan, so you can rest easy in that regard.
RE: Fauci, Gates, InsertWorstPersonHere can be saved?
100% - if they repent and accept the covering of Jesus' sacrifice.
Matthew 5
Jesus' words in verses 43-46:
“You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
Paul in the Bible, was like the leader of ISIS back in those times - he Hunted Christians and Killed them.
God changed Paul - Paul ended up becoming one of the most influential figures in the Bible for spreading the Gospel.
BTW - this doesn't erase the need for Justice on Earth.
It just acknowledges the limitless reach of God's offer that is extended to each and every person that ever lived regardless of what they had done.
Think of it this way; Imagine for a minute what God could do with a Jesus turned Fauci or Gates. if truly saved they could do a world of good through exposing all the other bad actors, government and shadiness they’ve been involved with.
Say my own world is crumbling around me, and the stress keeps building up and up, until one day I explode on someone: could be a sibling, parent, grandparent, friend, colleague, spouse, or worst of all a child. Is that an irredeemable sin for which there is no help, even though circumstances beyond my control pushed me passed my breaking point?
If you’re still breathing and capable of conscious thought, you can be saved (Romans 10:8-11, 1 John 1:6-10). Christ understands whatever struggles you’re going through; He was tempted in every single way you have been (Hebrews 4:15).
No one is irredeemable in the eyes of God. The fact that you know it’s wrong is the first step to salvation. First though you must repent and truly try to change. Also you can ask Jesus (once saved) to help you change your thoughts/actions and help you to avoid a particular sin. If you do sin again, repent and ask forgiveness again. This will be an ongoing inner work between you and the savior. God is great and he is for all. No sin is too big for him. He has seen it all and all has been forgiven in those who truly repented and stepped on their path to righteousness. You too, will be forgiven and helped. But you must confess to Jesus and ask him for forgiveness to be able to receive the gift he left for you on the cross.
We all fail and fall short of the glory of God. He is upright and perfect. He is Holy and unholiness, uncleanness separates us from him.
We can't do anything of our own accord to save ourselves:
Jesus knew and God knows that we will face hurdles, challenges, trials, and tests in this life. It is impossible for human beings in our fallen state to 100% avoid sin, so what we must do is resolve to try.
We can almost always cutout obvious and overtly sinful behaviors and attitudes, but it is the more subtle things that get us. Pride, Egotistical Thinking, Wrath. Jesus paid for all of those on the cross.
If you are trying to keep a life consistent with Biblical precepts, consistent with what the Lord asked us to do, though failing at times, and you are already a Christian, know that this won't separate you from God. When you fail, ask forgiveness, and move forward.
If you are not a Christian, and the living water is spurring the seed of faith inside you, know this. There is nothing you can do that he cannot forgive. The worst sinner can be saved. As long as you are alive and conscious and able to seek salvation and forgiveness, you are not too far gone.
Pick up your cross and follow him, and likewise, if you are already a Christian, or want to rededicate you life. Deny yourself (you innate desires for sin, lust, ego, etc) and pick up that cross. The yoke is easy and the burdens light.
Precisely. It is very much a choice to remain in rebellion with Satan, dying with your sin on your shoulders, or surrendering to God, and dying to your sins, being reborn by the death and resurrection of Jesus on the cross. Jesus already shouldered our burdens, and if we choose God, choose to end our rebellion, choose to surrender to his perfect will, love, mercy, and grace, then we can be with him in paradise.
God is good. I am full glad to have settled the account. Sin doesn't have anything on grace and forgiveness. Once you realize how sin hurts you, your self respect, your self image, your self worth, which is hard to rationalize when you are young, but unceasing as an adult, you realize that sin isn't worth it. It seperates you from God, and it makes you feel awful, rotten, low, and a practice of it leads to worse and worse places.
As we approach Good Friday, and indeed Easter Sunday, It is a good thing to remember and focus our lives on, re-dedication, surrender, and to do our best to emulate the perfect obedience demonstrated to us by the King of Kings.
Glorify and Honor these names: Jehovah, Jesus, Holy Spirit. We bring glory and honor and praise to you in the precious and Holy Name of Jesus Christ, Amen!
It's not free. It comes with a contingency and that is that one MUST believe a certain way.
It's really a person saving themselves. Sin is a made-up condition to sell a made-up solution. It's just good business.
The Bible does not preach a works based salvation. Never has and never will.
A person can not save themselves, or Jesus Christ wouldn't have needed to do what He did to forgive us of our sin.
If I must do something to be saved.
How is that anything other than me saving me?
1.) You must first examine and look at what you consider to be your failings, and see what you have done lives up to the value system you have now.
If you can find these things, and find moments where you cannot live up to your own standards, then you must ask: "How then could I have lived up to God's standards?"
2.) If you have the humility there to look inwardly and find failings, and you have decided that they were failings, you have to acknowledge that you have taken a critical step. You have changed your mind, and by this, we mean, repented. Repentance means to change your mind.
If you have repented, or realized and judged for yourself that you have been or have walked in error, and changed your ways regarding this, then consider this.
3.) A repentant man is a man who wants to forgive himself, but what is more important is forgiveness of God. There is a free gift of forgiveness of sins if we but ask. All we need to do, is to acknowledge and confess our faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is able to forgive you, who is able to make that intercession between our sins, our failures, before Almighty God. We open the door, to that knock on our heart's door.
4.) Finally, now that we have answered the door, and invited Jesus in, we want to walk with him who has saved us by his death on the cross. We want to avoid sin, we want to remain open to serving the Lord, and sharing our testimony with others, that the seeds we plant, may be watered, and grow into salvation and forgiveness of sins in the life of another who has realized their mistakes.
God is so much love that he gave his begotten Son, a Son of his own nature, perfect and blameless to die a brutal death, after humiliation, mockery, betrayal, sport, and hatred, by the very people he came to save. If you will let go of the pride, drop the guard, and simply reach out to him, you may be surprised.
I found Lord Jesus when my pride was in tatters, and with my ego stilled, when I had realized the magnitude of so many failures, lines walked, filthy moments, and I reached out. He was there. I hope the same for you. Honestly.
You must believe to be saved. This is not the same as being saved through good works. Belief is not a work. It's not a thing you do in the world for the good of other people or for the good of the world.
You can't be good to be saved because we are not perfect and God's standard is perfection. i.e. you can't save yourself by being a good person because none of us are.
I'll tell you a little secret.
Our beliefs are not the product of desire or will alone. They're the product of circumstance and experience.
Belief is the lotto and rewarding/punishing anyone based on it, is unjust.
You and your god don't even understand the simple fundamentals on how humans function. It's a bit embarrassing for you all.
Anyway, I'm moving on.
No secret here, just a gross misunderstanding of reality.
You think the universe is deterministic, it's not. We have free-will and choose what to believe. If you want to reject God when presented with every opportunity to accept Him, well, you get what you deserve. What we all deserve. Your main problem is your deep misunderstanding of sin, of the nature of God, and of justice.
You could right now choose to earnestly seek out God or simply choose to believe. You probably won't because you think you are smarter than your creator, but that is as always your choice.
LOL OK
See? You all fail at simple logic. If I MUST do something to be saved. It's all up to me to save me. I state this very obvious logical concept and get down-voted for it.
It's not even worth the conversation at this point. We can't even agree on fundamentals.
Love your enemies and don't trespass against those that trespass against you.
Sounds like God could learn from reading his own book.
The problem is you ignore what people are saying to instead argue against the made up Christian in your mind.
I initially said you can't save yourself, yes, but the meaning here which is commonly understood (except by you) is that you can't save yourself through good works. This is what Christians are talking about when debating between salvation through faith and "doing something" to save yourself.
I absolutely do not agree that choosing to believe is a work. How is sitting in your house, and one day deciding to believe, a thing that you do in the world that is good? It's not. Going to your local soup kitchen and feeding poor people is a good work. But you will never save yourself no matter how much you do that. The only way to be saved is to accept the gift of salvation from God. In the most literal sense, yes, that is you saving yourself. It is done by accepting the salvation provided by Jesus Christ. No one disagreed with this. You simply don't know what is being discussed and are therefore ignorant of the topic. All the while pontificating on the illogicality of the people you ignorantly bash your head against.
And relating to your other comment about not being an atheist, you certainly come across as one. You act pompous and vain like you are better than the people you speak with because you think you know something they don't. You aren't here to learn or to convince, but simply to "win" the discussion and put those "dumb illogical Christians" in their place. This is the result of a lack of faith in the Lord. Anyone who has faith in Him sees Him and the Truth He presents in the Bible, which you flippantly dismiss because you think you know better than God.
Let me guess, 'muh personal relationship' and you "don't need no church"? Nor do you think you need an objective measure to base your belief in God on, and instead you somehow think you will come to the truth all on your own using your fallible eyes, fallible ears, fallible brain, and the rest of your fallible capabilities as a human?
If at a base level, you cannot understand the concept of free will, then the road ahead will be paved in difficulty for you. You will use reductionist "logic" to slow-walk the entire concept back to a single point, that the act of making the choice about anything at all must be evidence that since you had to chose, you were not free to do so. You taking that stance is instead, evidence that you are actually arguing for your own enslavement within the idea of free will that you would refer to it yourself as a "trap". You are fine to argue this, but it does not make you right, and a true righteous God would be justified in his ignorance of you. He does love and care for you regardless.
“It’s really a person saving themselves”
If you could save yourself, you wouldn’t need Jesus.
This is literally the teachings of Satanism. The lie that you can in fact save yourself.
If Jesus saves you, then you didn’t do it yourself. All glory goes to God.
What do you believe in anon? You seem skeptical of Gods word..?
That's like thanking the gun manufacturer when you pulled the trigger yourself. You saved yourself.
Nice try.
No, not an atheist.
A flawed analogy. God made us perfect; we CHOSE to rebel alongside Satan.
The gun was always necesary for self-defense, but we chose to commit an offense with it.
The gun is free will. Without free will, you are naught more than an automaton. Without free will, you have no sentience, only obedience.
Do you think God would want to surround himself with people that couldn't freely think for themselves, or choose for themselves?
It would be like a collection of fine tools; All nice, but ultimately unable to do anything outside of the artisan. A robotic arm can do nothing without a programmer, despite endless possibility, if it is not told to perform an action, it cannot, and will not perform that action.
You get a chance to choose, remain in rebellion, or surrender those sins to Jesus Christ who can save you. If you die with those sins still of your own account, then you will account for them all before the Father, when he decides if you should depart with the damned.
Make no mistake, God will put an end to suffering, misery, pain, strife; but to do that, he must make a full end of sin and those who remain in rebellion.
It is my personal belief, not scripturally backed, that God wants people who have known the pain of sin who desire to put it behind them, that will be his people. This is what I want for sure, to be remade, and be perfect. I don't deserve it, but I hope for it none the less.
Sorry, my analogy is accurate.
I must make a choice, I must save myself. It's simple.
"It comes with a contingency and that is that one MUST believe a certain way."
Correct. One must believe the Truth.
"Beliefs" can be right or wrong.
Jesus said "I am the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life.
Believe in Him.
See this is where you have to have come to an understanding of objective good and evil. Let me tell you a story of one of the sins that I am not proud about.
I slept around with married women, on more than one occasion. I knowingly did this, because I wanted to have sex. I was desperate, not just for sex, which was the idol I bowed before, but for validation, and to be wanted. What I did was wrong. I violated the trust of other people, it was unethical. As a matter of fact I slept around while I was married, but separated, with other married but separated people too, and the separation was my fault. I frequented massage parlors, strip clubs, and had sexual interactions with anyone who would have me. I eventually contracted and STD. I received the penalty for my errors. I consider this to be a mercy now. A wake up call that what I was doing and how I was living was incorrect.
What I was doing was wrong. People hurt because of me. People suffered because of me, not only that, I suffered because of me, my psyche suffered because of me. I look back on these things and I hurt. I am sad. I know other people hurt because of me. I am honestly sorry that I ever did these things, and that is the key.
"Repentance" means to have a "change of mind." I changed my mind; I was not a good and upright person.
It was revealed to me by natural revelation, it was unclean, unsightly, unholy, it promoted the breakup of marriages. It was unsightly, it was incorrect, it was not upright.
Salvation is freely given. There is nothing that you could do to earn it. Jesus Christ already paid the debt on the cross. I deserve 100% to burn in hell. I know that with every fiber of my being.
You remain in rebellion, because you ultimately choose to bow before the sin, before the ego, before the pleasures of the world, carnality. I know for a fact you have a lifetime of unsavory interactions, weakness, things that you would rather the light never touch. All sinners have this shame.
You know in your heart of hearts that the sin is wrong. You know deep down, that the sin makes you feel uneasy. You think it is conditioning, but I know it is shame.
Change your mind, or as we say, repent. Repent and Acknowledge the Savior, the Son of God, the one who can save you from hellfire, who can remake you without those sins.
This is why I serve Jesus, and while you may not trust what I have to say, I can tell you that my life is better, I am happier, and I have resolved to change because there was hope for me. Without Lord Jesus, I would have ended my life.
I found him crying in my project car, wanting to die for all of my sins, failures, unsavory moments, weaknesses, failings, and unrighteousness. He saved me and pulled me out. So I serve him, and I hope that my testimony reaches you honestly.
So does she keep the money ? Lol
Exactly. Repenting from the GWagon
She should open up a fund to help other young women get off only fans and remove their tatoos also.
In my own relationship with Jesus I would feel incredibly guilty if I didn’t take that money and use it for good. Stop complaining that some Christian’s are rich. They may have a tougher road ahead because of it but need everyone here. As long as she is on the side of God I say go ahead and take all the money you earned in hell, bring it over here and use it to build the kingdom of God. If God doesn’t want her to have it he can take it from her in an instance. Instead he may decide to use it for his own plans. Either way. Trust God.
We’re kind of saying the same thing.
The Lord will guide her to use that money for the goodness of humanity…. Hopefully she will listen.
Nobody is beyond redemption through Christ Jesus, nobody. There is no amount of money that can buy it. No good deeds can earn it. It is a free gift given by God's grace.
I'm glad for her, but it's easy to turn your life around when you have $240 million.
In this world, sure… in Gods world however;
“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24
She made $240 million on only fans? That’s unbelievable. That’s more than top NFL talent make in their whole career while destroying their body and brain
After she made over $240 million? Yea okay.
This is what will continue to happen when OF girls have already made bank and don't want the lifestyle anymore.
"Oh I had a change of heart conveniently after I reaped the benefits, and started to approach the age where no one wants to see me anymore."
Yea I bet you did.
Good for her. I hope she can get all the online stuff, which I’m sure is still out there scrubbed. I wonder if she can threaten lawsuits to those who continue to advertise her past? The name Angela is a much more beautiful name too.
The only thing more surprising than this is that she had an onlyfans following in the first place. ...is she what the kids are into nowadays?
Most of the people paying for OF are so sexually warped that they need “new” females to get aroused to. When you’ve been saturated in pornography since 9/10 years old, you start to need more and more to get the same “high”.
The warping of young minds in the past 20-30 years has had its negative effects on society.
I would be impressed if she returned the 240 million dollars.
Is she going to give away all her earnings from OF?
It says she made 240 million from OnlyFans. This can't be real.
This is great! May many follow her example and turn to the Lord.
Wasnt there just a video of Her mom on here explaining her demonic ass tattoo.
I am glad for her salvation but is she keeping the $240M she made from being a porn star?
The greatest proof that anyone should need that Jesus rose from the tomb is that fact that 2000 years later He is still dramatically changing lives! Praise be to God!
Epiphany phase.
I trust this change as much as Kanye West changed.
Just curious if she’ll be giving up her $240 million made by selling her body online?
She giving up all that money too?
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to pass through the gates of heaven.
Sure she found Jesus!
But only after she spread her disease to how many others?
And she got filthy rich doing it!
If it is that easy, then hell will be empty. I personally don't believe you get a pass for all the things have done in your life. It makes a nice fairytale though.
Gods mercy is available to everyone.
So I can rape, torture, and kill children and all I need to do is say I'm sorry and ask for forgiveness. What ever happened to those millstones?
Guess you will need to ask God then when you meet him.
If they mean it and truly regret their decisions, where exists the problem? If they don't God knows they are full of shit and won't entertain their deception.
You think you are better or more deserving than them because you place different sins on a value hierarchy. God does not and would punish us all the same for any sin.
Good luck working your way to heaven. You won't succeed.
God will punish us all for our sins regardless.
This forgiveness bullshit is just an out for those that want to live in sin, but still delude themselves into thinking they can get into heaven at the end.
And I don't put my self on some high pedestal. I'll face the same judgment for my shortcoming as every other swinging dick out there.
God disagrees.
Jesus took the punishment on Himself for you, that’s why He died on a cross. The punishment that would have and should have gone to you went to Christ instead, and in turn you get His righteousness applied to your account. That’s the offer of the gospel, that’s how you get into heaven. The offer has been made and paid for, all you have to do is admit that you need it and accept it.
While you are forgiven of sin you will not be able to escape the hell you created on earth until judgement day comes. If you did those things you would need a huge amount of faith to truly believe you’re saved and walk in that with Jesus. My guess is many wouldn’t even be able to forgive themselves let alone ask God to forgive them for evil deeds. Not that it’s impossible but imo the greater the sin the harder it is to find that salvation.
which God?
Cant be the God of the bible, because the bible explicitly says the opposite.
You must be thinking of satan.
Food for thought. The apostle appointed to Gentiles once went door to door rounding up believers and getting them condemned as criminals. Paul.
The thief on the cross was told he would be in heaven that day with Jesus after he expressed his faith.
David had someone murdered by the enemy so he could have his wife ... Yet he was ultimately forgiven and known as a man after God's own heart.
"For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) He is a perfectly JUST God, which means any sin must be atoned for. His standards are perfection, so no human could possibly live up to his standard and all would be doomed to hell. That is why his own son, God in human flesh, came to pay the price. But, as God respects our free will he doesn't force the gift on anyone. If someone doesn't wish to be with him for eternity, then he honors their desire and they go to a place of eternal separation from him.
Edited to include verse and chapter of quotation.
THIS.
Chapter and verse.
Romans 3:23
"for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Are you supporting or dispelling the notion of God's mercy not being available to everyone? This seems to indicate everyone is on equal footing.
The key word is “ALL” You seem to be arguing, for argument’s sake
I asked a clarifying question since I wasn't sure of your meaning and I still get hit with this trash lol
I can't argue because I don't even have any idea what you are saying.
What is "all" a key word in? Supporting or dispelling the notion of God's mercy not being available to everyone? If you are saying the latter, I fully agree. If not, I disagree.
The thief on the cross. On his last day of life he turned to Jesus. He was promised that on that day he would be with Jesus in heaven.
You’d be surprised how many people reject such a simple offer.
And wouldn’t an empty hell be a good thing anyway?
Edit: autocorrect strikes again.
All that money surely could get her lost again. So pray for her that she will not stray from her relationship with Jesus and that she will be guided to use her money to help building the kingdom of God on earth and fight against evil.
This is the same mental tactic BLM and Antifa thugs use to justify their hate. History has already written that racism happened and there is nothing we can pay to correct it. But demand payment anyway.
Your way of thinking suggests she has a Heaven Card the moment she has turned her direction towards Jesus. You don't see where she will be paying for these sins down the road already? She was sexual deviant, with a record, and a child. I can already tell you when that child hits 12, she will be targeted for bullying from the dug up history of her mother's sins. And as that mother she is going to navigate that whole thing herself, the resentment, the self hatred, the familial betrayal. She isn't anywhere near a clearing to just be heavenly going forward, there will be tests to her proclaimed faith from now on.
I know full well I am not the best person to speak about it, having started my own travel to discover Jesus and witness his movement in my own life fairly recently. But we all have seen actions having consequences in this board and how future events prove past statements. We, of all people, should take in consideration the future our actions carve.
Just as a reminder, suffering the consequences of sin is not the same thing as paying for sin. If she has repented and placed her faith in Jesus (and it looks like she has), then Christ has payed for all of her sin without exception.
Her claim will be tested all the same though due to her previous actions.
What test would be sufficient for you, and where from scripture would you get this test from? Since when has there been a “probationary period” for new believers?
Paul imprisoned and murdered Christians before he got saved, and while his local church feared him even after his conversion for obvious reasons, once another brother in Christ told them of Paul’s experience with Christ, the church embraced him with open arms. Can we not do the same, and not judge who’s “really” saved and who’s not?
He who looks upon a woman with lust is an adulterer too. Are any of us any better than her? God is no respecter of persons.
I never said anything whether or not it's "sufficient." I am saying her claim to find Jesus will be tested from her past actions. Not that it is a divine test, just that her future will show herself and others how serious she will be.
Will she break? Will she blame God for being quiet when her child is being bullied? Or will she find strength from her new actions and direction? Will she find the spiritual strength to teach fortitude to her child on Jesus? Only time will tell, and ultimately it's between her and Jesus by that point.