I know many many many Christians and conservatives that have tattoos. There are people in my church for tattoos, even on the leadership team. I see this all over and Christian society.
Many people got tattoos before they were saved, but now they are so they have the tattoos but who cares? Does Jesus care? No he doesn’t. He cares what’s inside. What’s inside our hearts.
And there are many churches that blaspheme the name and teachings of Jesus Christ. Our bodies are beautiful. To me, this is especially true for women. IMHO no one should be marked with graffiti.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
Again, the unblemished body is beautiful and should wittingly remain unblemished.
It’s because some people are still living under legalism, instead of under the freedom of Christ. They would rather be Pharisees, than live their life freely in Christ. How sad is that.
There is much difference of course, between rigid Legal Christians and New Covenant Christians. Based on my personal experience that is. I sure know a lot of baby Christians like myself, who have tats
That our salvation is through faith in Christ, and not works, does not give us license to sin all we want and ignore anything the Bible calls us to do that we don't like.
It seems your knowledge of Scripture precedes you and it appears you have no concept of Jesus' sacrifice or what it means by the body being the temple of the Lord. As I will show by Jesus own words, he didn't come to erase the law, but to fulfill it. Your body is to be presented as being acceptable for receiving the holy Spirit. This isn't a 'welfare' right, but an extreme honor and recognition for receiving the holy Spirit in your house (body). Allegorically, if you had a highly revered public figure that requested to stay at your home, would you want graffiti on the outside of your house? Regarding, the law of the Old Testament (Testament or Covenant is a binding contract), only the terms and conditions were changed by Jesus. Jesus said:
Matt. 5: 17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Now let's review Leviticus 19:28. When the words *'shall not' are used it is ordered in the strongest terms of language. In American and British jurisprudence, any law using 'shall not' is absolute and enforceable with the strongest measures.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
Another word for Testament is Covenant. We read about the covenant in the Old Testament and it is for this reason it is sometimes referred to as the Old Covenant. A covenant is a contract. This can be easily verified. In every contract there exists terms and conditions of that contract. In the Old Testament, an example of this are the blessings and curses for Israel not upholding the laws and ordinances therein.
So, we are dealing with a great contract here. When it is said people don't want to "get lost in legalism", the statement is ambiguous to me. A contract is ab initio a legal agreement between parties. A more accurate term for the New Testament is 'Renewed Covenant'. The reason is that not one iota of the original contract (Covenant) was changed. Jesus' entire mission only changed the terms and conditions of this great contract (Covenant). Jesus came to fulfill prophesies of the Old Testament. And what is meant by "fulfilling the law" is fulfilling for all of us who believe in Him, the requirements of the Old Covenant to the exact letter of the contract and thus meeting the terms and conditions of the contract. The Old Covenant presented the Israelites with an impossible task of keeping the Old Covenant without any violations. Only Jesus succeeded in doing so. From His sacrifice, He paid for all our violations, and as a blessing for His accomplishment, the Covenant was renewed with new terms and conditions. We paid with His blood so that we could live and have a chance of being saved.
What do we mean when we say (or write) "I fulfilled my dream"? What about "he fulfilled his promise"?
Here is the angle that I think far too many theologians have missed. What was the purpose of Israel? Why did God choose Abraham, and his descendants, and give them the law (aka the old testament, aka the first or initial (old) covenant)?
After Adam, all of humanity had fallen under the control of Satanic sovereignty. Unwittingly, Adam established a bond, a covenant with the fallen Archangel, one that bound all humanity under Satan's 'legal' control.
Because the Father himself had created the universe with its laws, including the principle of choice, he could not simply ignore the choice that Adam made or the covenant that was established whereby Adam raised Lucifer to the position of his false father. If we consider that the Creator is the Father, then what happened at the fall was that Adam allowed himself to be re-created by Lucifer as a fallen being. By 'creating' the fallen lineage of Adam and Eve, Lucifer raised himself to the false position of creator, and on that basis challenged God.
So, instead of a humanity united with their true creator, the world was populated with a fallen humanity with Satan as the (false) creator, aka 'god', aka progenitor, aka the false father.
In order to restore humanity, God needed to send a new Adam. Someone who fulfilled the original blueprint conceived of by God prior to creation. Someone who is the fulfillment of the word, the logos, the original blueprint that Adam failed to fulfill.
How to undo the fallen covenant, the fallen contract that Adam had created with Lucifer? Because of his own principles, God could not simply intervene and interfere with Satan's 'children'. Thus, God induced certain individuals to reverse the covenant with Lucifer by getting them to make a conditional covenant with him. He did this by inducing these individuals to make two forms of offering.
The first was a symbolic offering, where the individual offered a symbolic thing (symbolizing the Word) to God, thereby both showing faith in the word and also returning that 'thing' to God and making God the sovereign over that thing, which symbolized the individual himself.
He had Abel make the offering. Fulfilling this offering meant Abel had to believe in God's command. Doing so, he symbolically reversed the mistake of Adam, Adam who believed in Satan's word (to eat the fruit, and thereby hand his sovereignty over to Satan and raise Lucifer to the position of his lord and master).
The second type of offering was a more substantial yet internal offering. It required someone in the position of Lucifer to bow down and admit that the person in Adam's position was his rightful master.
Why? In the Garden, Lucifer should have never risen up to seduce God's children. He should have supported Adam to never eat the fruit, and thereby let Adam fulfill the blueprint God created him with. In doing so, Lucifer would have submitted to God's sovereignty through Adam. As God's son, Adam was destined to be Lucifer's lord and ruler.
The fall happened because Lucifer failed to do that. instead, he rose up and murdered Adam spiritually, usurping God's position as ruler over Adam.
Because Adam fell, he became a contradictory being. Not only did he contain the original goodness endowed to him by God, something eternal, but he also contained evil, created by Lucifer. Adam had two masters now, something that was unacceptable to God.
Cain was the first born in Adam's family. God required Cain to submit himself to Abel who, through the successful offering, had symbolically restored the position of a faithful Adam.
If Abel succeeded in the offering of faith, and Cain succeeded in the offering of submission, then a new covenant could be created, one that was the reverse of the covenant Adam made with Lucifer. (Adam first believed in Lucifer's word, conveyed by Eve, that he should eat the fruit, and then by actually eating the fruit, he submitted himself to Lucifer instead of maintaining his rightful position as Lucifer's lord and master.)
Abel succeeded, but Cain failed. Thus, no new covenant could be formed.
We can see that God repeated the process in Noah's family. Noah was required to make an offering: to build the ark. He successfully kept faith in God's instruction, and symbolically restored the position of faith in God. However, to fulfill the offering of submission required that an elder son submit to a younger son.
God needed Noah's second born Ham to be 100% united with Noah, to inherit that symbolic victory of faith. Once this was done, then Noah's first born, Shem, could have submitted to Ham, and the new covenant been accomplished.
This is why Ham's sin of disbelief in his father was so severe. Even though Noah had faithfully believed in God, and essentially rescued his entire family from the flood, when Noah was intoxicated after the flood had passed, Ham saw him not as his pure, righteous father, but as a sinful man, just like all the unrighteous people who perished in the flood.
When Ham convinced his brothers to also disbelieve in Noah, Noah woke up and cursed Ham. Why? Because Ham through his disbelief and unfaith destroyed the symbolic foundation Noah had created through his righteous faith for 120 years plus the 40 days of purification accomplished via the flood.
Why 400 years after Noah before God chose and engaged with Abraham? Because the 40 days of purification were lost via Ham's mistake. The 400 years between Noah and Abraham were to make a symbolic purification that would allow God to re-engage with someone or a people who technically were under Satan's sovereignty and control. The number 40 continually emerges in scripture as a period of time required to separate (symbolically) from Satanic influence.
The process continues to unfold. Eventually God finds Abraham after 400 years have passed, and by taking Abraham through a complicated series of trials, eventually had Abraham succeed in the faith offering. He does this via being able to offer Isaac.
Abraham's first offering of the heifer, the goat and sheep, the birds, had failed. When he failed to cut the birds in half (symbolizing division between good and evil), God cursed Abraham's descendants to be slaves for 400 years. Why? To make a condition to separate them from the fallen master, Satan. Just like the 40 days of the flood.
Once again, God leads Abraham through a complicated series of trials, and eventually leads him to make a new offering, a far more difficult one.
So despite Abraham's first failure, God made his covenant with Abraham, but the conditions to fulfill it were still required. So it was that Isaac was offered, and Isaac, unlike Ham, had 100% faith in this father, and so could inherit Abraham's faith. Think about it. Isaac was old enough to know there was no sheep for the offering. When Abraham raised his knife to offer Isaac, Isaac didn't flinch or run away.
Thus, in that one offering, Abraham restored his position as faithful to God, by fulfilling the offering of Isaac faithfully (more difficult than even killing himself), and Isaac, through his faith in his father, restored the failure and mistake of Ham.
The faith part of the new covenant was accomplished, but the offering of submission was still required.
This was fulfilled by Esau, the first born of the twin sons of Isaac, submitting to Jacob, the second born of the twin sons of Isaac. This was only accomplished after Jacob went through a very complicated process to fully inherit the faith foundation of Isaac. It started by Jacob 'stealing' the birthright, although in fact, he had legally 'bought' it from Esau by offering him the lentils when Esau was too hungry to care.
The inheritance of Isaac's faith and the leading of Esau to submission was achieved via Jacob's path of exile, for 21 years. After winning back so much from his Uncle Laban, Jacob offered half of everything to Esau. Esau embraced Jacob, who he had wanted to kill, just as Cain had wanted to murder Abel.
This is why Jacob became 'Israel'. He successfully inherited the offering of faith, and then was able to get Esau to make the offering of submission. Jacob won the victory against the angel of God (who symbolically represented the archangel, Lucifer, that Adam failed to overcome) at the ford of jabbok, but then won the victory of love over his brother Esau, the substantial person to symbolize Lucifer submitting to Adam.
With the conditions all established now, the covenant between God and Abraham-Isaac-Jacob was accomplished. This was all done on the family level, but it needed to be expanded from a family to a clan, to a nation of people. That process took place via Joseph (whose brothers wanted to kill him, but he kept faith despite his trials, and eventually led them to submit to him), and then via Moses.
So what is the purpose of the covenant, the one God made with Abraham and his descendants? It was to lay the symbolic and substantial foundation that, standing in the position of a people restored to God, they were symbolically no longer descendants of fallen Adam, but the descendants of the coming true Adam.
This foundation to establish Israel as a people symbolically not belonging under Satan's sovereignty had one purpose: to be the foundation on which God could send the True Adam, the New Adam, Jesus Christ.
The covenant would only be fulfilled when Christ arrived and rose (through his sufferings) to the position of the New Adam, the firstborn among all who were to follow him and be reborn as the children of God, leaving the position of the children of Lucifer.
Why do we need to be reborn? Because we were born in the lineage of Lucifer, created by the Fall of Adam and Eve.
When it is said that Christ fulfilled 'the law', it means he fulfilled the PURPOSE of the law. The Law was the conditions of the covenant that allowed God to intervene, claim Israel, and send his son to them.
Israel should have had faith in Jesus, and submitted themselves to him. They did not. They murdered Jesus, just as Cain murdered Abel.
Thus, a NEW covenant was required. The old covenant had fulfilled its purpose in Jesus, but all of humanity, lead by Israel, was lost in the process (through their unfaith and failure to submit, they repeated the fall of Adam.)
The New Testament is the New Covenant. The conditions to fulfill this covenant by each person, and collectively, humanity, is not the practice off the law. It is faith in Jesus and acceptance of the Holy Spirit (which is the spiritual submission to God).
Although all of humanity was lost when Israel rejected Jesus, Jesus took all of that failure on himself, and via the Cross, laid the foundation for the new Covenant.
What's the purpose of the New Covenant? To prepare the way and the foundation for the Second Coming. The first coming secured our Spiritual Salvation. Yet the material world remains under Satan's control, just as our bodies are still subject to Adam's covenant with Lucifer, even though our spirits are liberated and belong to God through faith in Jesus.
The purpose of the Second Coming is to complete the covenants fully, both Old and New, and free the material world, and our bodies, from Satan's sovereignty, finally fully reversing every aspect of the false covenant Adam created with Lucifer.
Hallelujah. Praise God. Praise Christ. The kingdom of heaven is the destiny of humanity on earth. His will done, on Earth as in Heaven. Praise God!
Make sure you are living all 600+ laws my friend..if u break one u break them all. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I have one tattoo and have had many chats with Jesus. I have asked for forgiveness for getting in and Jesus has told me I am now free from that. He washed me clean. I no longer encourage tattoos but i also don't condem those that have them and have asked for forgiveness. I don't expect them to get them removed. I push them to ask Jesus for forgiveness and to move forward trying not to sin any more
That was before the cross. Jesus had to fulfill the law to be the perfect sacrifice, which allowed the grace of God to save mankind. No one was saved under the law. No one. Read Hebrews carefully - men of faith were saved by their faith in God - that he would provide a way.
The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them<
Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening<
Careful friend your words are coming off very judging. Surely you don't wanna do that..
Jesus judges the heart. Thank God. Because I'm sure I could find many of the 600+ laws that u don't follow. And since u wanna condem/judge others for the laws they don't follow. U better be following all 600+ cause that is how u will be judged. I do understand what you are saying to a degree. We wanna seek to follow them and not guide people from them. At the same time let him who is free of sin cast the first stone. Your presentation here was off. How we come off to others is important. love you though
In short we shouldn't promote tattoos as if we are free to mark our flesh, however we become free in Christ. Our past falls away so any tattoos we do have get removed as far as sin, when we accept him
Very well put. Who thought this thread would be so controversial. People get their panties in a wad about the little list of things. Just think we could be focusing on Christ instead. Lol I think I’ll do that today. God bless you and have a great day friend.
Yes Tewdryg wants to focus on the law first and Christ second. I rather focus on Jesus first and have him guide me to be perfected in the law. The whole needing to remove the tattoos completely ignores the blood of Christ and what it achieved. I do agree we shouldn't instruct people to not follow the law. How we handle our response to it though shows where are heart lies..
Please read Graham's Hierarchy of Argument and stay in the green area. When the response focuses on the tone of the writing without addressing the substance of the polemic, it is no longer a debate, but devolution. Posting non-referenced writings have little to do with the original subject matter. Have you ever heard never to give advice unless it is specifically asked for?
I see the comment is deleted. I will take that as deep down u do know u acted in a non loving way and won't further push this and debate with u. Have a blessed day
Both your post and the OPs post can be true. Remember, the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar, fulfilled the law, and gave us the gift of repentance so that we wouldn't get lost in legalism as a barometer for our value. How lucky are we that god allowed us a savior that reaches into a barrel of sinful monkeys for followers? Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom as he has every right to be wrathful, but let us not forget the woman condemned to death "go, and sin no more". There is none of us without sin, so repentance is a gift of the highest value.
Another word for Testament is Covenant. We read about the covenant in the Old Testament and it is for this reason it is sometimes referred to as the Old Covenant. A covenant is a contract. This can be easily verified. In every contract there exists terms and conditions of that contract. In the Old Testament, an example of this are the blessings and curses for Israel not upholding the laws and ordinances therein.
So, we are dealing with a great contract here. When you say you don't want to "get lost in legalism", the statement is ambiguous to me. A contract is ab initio a legal agreement between parties. A more accurate term for the New Testament is Renewed Covenant. The reason is that not one iota of the original contract (Covenant) was changed. Jesus' entire mission only changed the terms and conditions of this great contract (Covenant). Also, when you said, "the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar,.....", I find this to be somewhat cryptic in meaning and opaque to me. Jesus came to fulfill prophesies of the Old Testament. And what is meant by "fulfilling the law" is fulfilling for all of us who believe in Him, the requirements of the Old Covenant to the exact letter and thus meeting the terms and conditions of the contract. The Old Covenant presented the Israelites with an impossible task of keeping the Old Covenant without any violations. Only Jesus succeeded in doing so. From his sacrifice, he paid for all our violations and as a blessing for His accomplishment, the Covenant was renewed with new terms and conditions. We paid with His blood so that we could live and have a chance of being saved.
So fren, I assume you try to keep the 10 commandments - as enshrined in Exodus? (Not the bastardized Catholic version where they actually "changed" the only part of the Bible actually written by the finger if God himself).
Im not trying to asshoe or even address the tattoo issue, just want to ask your level of understanding of God's laws.
We keep the Sabbath, which we believe is not on Sunday, but Saturday. On that day, we do not buy or purchase, nor do we work, but rather focus our attention on the Lord. Nor is one lesser or more than the other. The Decalogue you mentioned is absolute and immutable. There are no two same Commandments. The Masoretic text of the 7th and 10th are not at all the same law as being taught. Nor is the Septuagint text of the 6th and the 10th the same either. The former is based on the Law of Nature. The later is based on human lust. The original Law preceding the Decalogue was the Adamic Law to which the Decalogue was based on. The Adamic Law was based on the Laws of Nature, which is part of the Divine Order of all life forms. The Laws of Nature are based on the Eternal Law, which basically is all the physical laws of matter and energy found in the cosmos. The Eternal Law follows the Golden ratio and Fibonacci sequence, which are the scaffolds of the Divine Order. The torroidal characteristic of reality is found from the smallest particle to the most expansive galaxy. Tesla and Schauberger understood this along with many others. Tesla said, “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
Great response. I also believe the true Sabbath is the seventh day (Saturday). As I understand it the papacy changed it (Knowingly). So they put themselves above the Almighty by replacing the commandment(s) of God with false teachings and traditions of men.
I will dig deeper into some of the other nuggets you provided. TYVM. (Oh, and happy Sabbath!).
NOPE! Wrong! Leviticus 19:28 speaks against tattoos and other artificial marks against the body. Therefore you are damned. TOO LATE!
Or........ was the curtain rent from top to bottom, and the Old Testament (which includes verses against teh gays and against wearing poly-fiber clothing) laid to rest? Your call:
Matthew 27:51: "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split."
Mark 15:38: "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom."
Luke 23:45: "The sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two."
In other words, you are correct, frog. God sees only what's in the heart. And if you call upon the Lord and ask to be saved, you are.
So you downvoted me, (expected) and answered me with scripture. What if that scripture has been twisted, lets say slightly by the Cabal. You know, like they twisted everything else in this world. In fact I find it highly unlikely that scripture is pure. It would be just perfect if they authored a book that sprung from it hundreds of religions that all liked to kill each other and to this day persecute others and judge because of it. You can grab 100 people educated in that field and get 100 different perspectives. Do you not see any kind of problem with this? They could even make the prophesy and fulfill it themselves when they choose. You are putting your faith in the fact that did not happen. I respect that. But I have to ask, have you ever given it thought?
That does not come close to answering the question. It also ignores logic. What I said has nothing to do with putting faith in the cabal. I expect them to do every single dastardly thing imaginable. Changing scripture does not mean I have faith in the cabal. It means this lines up to what they are not only capable of but what they would do. I suppose you could have said God would not allow them to mess with his word but if this planet truly belongs to the dark side, how can you possibly trust anything in it?
That is what I said. Maybe poorly, and I'll admit the phrasing of "putting faith in the cabal" may have been a miss in terms of my intended meaning.
I'll rephrase it:
You either have a greater faith in God's power to preserve His Word, or you have a greater faith in the cabal's ability to change it.
And the answer is you can't; you can't trust anything in the world, but you can trust in God, and by extension, His infallible revelation to Man.
The notion that the Bible has been changed is rooted solely in a lack of faith in God to preserve it, while also giving the cabal more credit than they deserve in comparison to Him.
To me, this is the most illogical position one could hold, hence why I believe it to be solely a lack of faith. The idea that the all-powerful creator of time, space, and matter, who exists outside of His creation, could fail to preserve His revelation to us if He willed it? This is absurdity. How could such a thing even be possible?
Here's a question. If you believe scripture to be twisted, this means you believe it was originally from God, correct? So is the part where it says God will preserve His word from God or from the cabal? Did the cabal put it in so we would believe their corrupted version and think it infallible? But why wouldn't God say the same thing? Surely if the all-knowing creator decided to give us revelation about Him, He wouldn't just allow these people to twist it? Especially since He knows full well that is their plan if He allows them to.
So why is it so hard to believe God preemptively told us He would preserve His Word, and to further believe that He actively does so?
Its so hard to believe because we know that written word HAS been played with. Different councils of men have added or removed texts through the years. If they do that why not just remove or add parts of books? Seems to me there may have been pretty good evidence of reincarnation removed. We look back at history and can see wars fought over different interpretations of that book.
Here's a question. If you believe scripture to be twisted, this means you believe it was originally from God, correct? So is the part where it says God will preserve His word from God or from the cabal? Did the cabal put it in so we would believe their corrupted version and think it infallible? But why wouldn't God say the same thing? Surely if the all-knowing creator decided to give us revelation about Him, He wouldn't just allow these people to twist it? Especially since He knows full well that is their plan if He allows them to.
Not necessarily. It maybe or it may not be. It could very well all be fiction. There is nothing in that book that could not have been written by man. There is nowhere that when I read a passage I am so blown away that it must be divine. Satan been given dominion over the earth until Jesus returns, right? Maybe ALL of it is bullshit. If an advanced race actually did create us or at least improve us, what better way to control us? Every single miracle in the bible , that comes to mind right now , could have been performed with advanced technology. Things that would look like magic. What really is magic? Manipulation of ones environment.
It’s funny that you mention tattoo removal. I was at a treatment center yesterday for vitamin infusions. They do other aesthetics as well. They have tattoo removal available. It cost thousands of dollars, and the pictures that I saw don’t even remove the tattoos permanently. You can actually still see a shadow of them. So, although you suggest such things, I’m sure most people, especially in this day and age cannot afford to have their tattoos removed.
The whole point is that we are now free in Christ, but people still think they need to work their way to heaven. How depressing is that?
Lots of people missing the point here. He isn't saying anything bad about tattoos, he's saying if you are white, fit, and DON'T have tattoos in 2023, you're definitely conservative. I haven't seen evidence to the contrary myself. But this is not to say you can ONLY be conservative if you don't have tattoos, or if you're fit, or white. If you don't tick all those boxes, someone might ask your politics; but if you do, they should already know.
Says these women dont think about anything while also passing off the thought that they should know who and what he is by looking at him. Seems like someone thinks everyone should be impressed with the "image" he embodies.
Maybe you cant get to know someone by looking at them and assuming the rest.
Angry at women much? Or rather "girls". Why you are interested in dating girls that you refuse to have a straightforward conversation with and treat with contempt is something you might look at.
I was raised Christian and never once was the scripture in Leviticus used to caution against getting tattoos. Using an Old Testament passage as a proof text to regulate activities in the New Testament Christian Age requires caution. The Law of Moses, which no longer applies today, was nailed to the cross and is not the current standard.
It's worth noting that the same chapter that forbids marking one's body also includes instructions about animal sacrifices, leaving portions of crops unharvested, avoiding mixed seeds in fields, and wearing garments made of different fabrics. If we only enforce one of these restrictions, are we being fair? The context of Leviticus 19:27-28 is about avoiding heathen practices and things associated with idolatry, where "cutting the flesh" is mentioned. For example, in 1 Kings 18:28, the prophets of Baal cut themselves in an attempt to get a response from their god. Archeological evidence shows that some Canaanites tattooed themselves with names or symbols of their favorite gods. God is likely prohibiting idolatry, not the modern practice of tattoos, in His injunction against cutting the flesh. Please consider the entire context of the scriptures instead of drawing conclusions based on one verse.
The Bible of course is open to translation. As someone already pointed out here, it is NOT for individuals to judge, Only God is able to justly do this. And let’s be serious for a minute, tattoos are the least of our worries at this point.
If the cabal publishes an A.I.-written "bible" as they are talking about, things are going to be chaotic I think. Their little weasel guru God-wannabe (can't remember his name) is probably in charge of it.
My adult sons are clean shaven and no tattoos as are their friends, and until recently anyway they were total libtards. Waking up I am happy to report.
Sadly, research has shown that the majority of young woman (not all) are looking for a 6 ft tall man who makes 6 figures a year. There's only one 6 missing, and many of them are looking for that as well.
I know many many many Christians and conservatives that have tattoos. There are people in my church for tattoos, even on the leadership team. I see this all over and Christian society.
Many people got tattoos before they were saved, but now they are so they have the tattoos but who cares? Does Jesus care? No he doesn’t. He cares what’s inside. What’s inside our hearts.
And there are many churches that blaspheme the name and teachings of Jesus Christ. Our bodies are beautiful. To me, this is especially true for women. IMHO no one should be marked with graffiti.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
Again, the unblemished body is beautiful and should wittingly remain unblemished.
I guess you didn’t read the part about people getting tattoos before they get saved.
Duh…
It's strange you got downvoted on this comment, it's a valid point.
It’s because some people are still living under legalism, instead of under the freedom of Christ. They would rather be Pharisees, than live their life freely in Christ. How sad is that.
I'm just shaking my head.
There is much difference of course, between rigid Legal Christians and New Covenant Christians. Based on my personal experience that is. I sure know a lot of baby Christians like myself, who have tats
Myself as well!
Guess what… Jesus loves me anyway that’s the whole point isn’t it. Unconditional love. Feels good Man.
That our salvation is through faith in Christ, and not works, does not give us license to sin all we want and ignore anything the Bible calls us to do that we don't like.
It seems your knowledge of Scripture precedes you and it appears you have no concept of Jesus' sacrifice or what it means by the body being the temple of the Lord. As I will show by Jesus own words, he didn't come to erase the law, but to fulfill it. Your body is to be presented as being acceptable for receiving the holy Spirit. This isn't a 'welfare' right, but an extreme honor and recognition for receiving the holy Spirit in your house (body). Allegorically, if you had a highly revered public figure that requested to stay at your home, would you want graffiti on the outside of your house? Regarding, the law of the Old Testament (Testament or Covenant is a binding contract), only the terms and conditions were changed by Jesus. Jesus said:
Matt. 5: 17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Now let's review Leviticus 19:28. When the words *'shall not' are used it is ordered in the strongest terms of language. In American and British jurisprudence, any law using 'shall not' is absolute and enforceable with the strongest measures.
“You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.” -- Leviticus 19:28.
Right scriptures, wrong preaching.
amen
Another word for Testament is Covenant. We read about the covenant in the Old Testament and it is for this reason it is sometimes referred to as the Old Covenant. A covenant is a contract. This can be easily verified. In every contract there exists terms and conditions of that contract. In the Old Testament, an example of this are the blessings and curses for Israel not upholding the laws and ordinances therein.
So, we are dealing with a great contract here. When it is said people don't want to "get lost in legalism", the statement is ambiguous to me. A contract is ab initio a legal agreement between parties. A more accurate term for the New Testament is 'Renewed Covenant'. The reason is that not one iota of the original contract (Covenant) was changed. Jesus' entire mission only changed the terms and conditions of this great contract (Covenant). Jesus came to fulfill prophesies of the Old Testament. And what is meant by "fulfilling the law" is fulfilling for all of us who believe in Him, the requirements of the Old Covenant to the exact letter of the contract and thus meeting the terms and conditions of the contract. The Old Covenant presented the Israelites with an impossible task of keeping the Old Covenant without any violations. Only Jesus succeeded in doing so. From His sacrifice, He paid for all our violations, and as a blessing for His accomplishment, the Covenant was renewed with new terms and conditions. We paid with His blood so that we could live and have a chance of being saved.
Hmmmm....
On fulfilling the law:
What do we mean when we say (or write) "I fulfilled my dream"? What about "he fulfilled his promise"?
Here is the angle that I think far too many theologians have missed. What was the purpose of Israel? Why did God choose Abraham, and his descendants, and give them the law (aka the old testament, aka the first or initial (old) covenant)?
After Adam, all of humanity had fallen under the control of Satanic sovereignty. Unwittingly, Adam established a bond, a covenant with the fallen Archangel, one that bound all humanity under Satan's 'legal' control.
Because the Father himself had created the universe with its laws, including the principle of choice, he could not simply ignore the choice that Adam made or the covenant that was established whereby Adam raised Lucifer to the position of his false father. If we consider that the Creator is the Father, then what happened at the fall was that Adam allowed himself to be re-created by Lucifer as a fallen being. By 'creating' the fallen lineage of Adam and Eve, Lucifer raised himself to the false position of creator, and on that basis challenged God.
So, instead of a humanity united with their true creator, the world was populated with a fallen humanity with Satan as the (false) creator, aka 'god', aka progenitor, aka the false father.
In order to restore humanity, God needed to send a new Adam. Someone who fulfilled the original blueprint conceived of by God prior to creation. Someone who is the fulfillment of the word, the logos, the original blueprint that Adam failed to fulfill.
How to undo the fallen covenant, the fallen contract that Adam had created with Lucifer? Because of his own principles, God could not simply intervene and interfere with Satan's 'children'. Thus, God induced certain individuals to reverse the covenant with Lucifer by getting them to make a conditional covenant with him. He did this by inducing these individuals to make two forms of offering.
The first was a symbolic offering, where the individual offered a symbolic thing (symbolizing the Word) to God, thereby both showing faith in the word and also returning that 'thing' to God and making God the sovereign over that thing, which symbolized the individual himself.
He had Abel make the offering. Fulfilling this offering meant Abel had to believe in God's command. Doing so, he symbolically reversed the mistake of Adam, Adam who believed in Satan's word (to eat the fruit, and thereby hand his sovereignty over to Satan and raise Lucifer to the position of his lord and master).
The second type of offering was a more substantial yet internal offering. It required someone in the position of Lucifer to bow down and admit that the person in Adam's position was his rightful master.
Why? In the Garden, Lucifer should have never risen up to seduce God's children. He should have supported Adam to never eat the fruit, and thereby let Adam fulfill the blueprint God created him with. In doing so, Lucifer would have submitted to God's sovereignty through Adam. As God's son, Adam was destined to be Lucifer's lord and ruler.
The fall happened because Lucifer failed to do that. instead, he rose up and murdered Adam spiritually, usurping God's position as ruler over Adam.
Because Adam fell, he became a contradictory being. Not only did he contain the original goodness endowed to him by God, something eternal, but he also contained evil, created by Lucifer. Adam had two masters now, something that was unacceptable to God.
Cain was the first born in Adam's family. God required Cain to submit himself to Abel who, through the successful offering, had symbolically restored the position of a faithful Adam.
If Abel succeeded in the offering of faith, and Cain succeeded in the offering of submission, then a new covenant could be created, one that was the reverse of the covenant Adam made with Lucifer. (Adam first believed in Lucifer's word, conveyed by Eve, that he should eat the fruit, and then by actually eating the fruit, he submitted himself to Lucifer instead of maintaining his rightful position as Lucifer's lord and master.)
Abel succeeded, but Cain failed. Thus, no new covenant could be formed.
We can see that God repeated the process in Noah's family. Noah was required to make an offering: to build the ark. He successfully kept faith in God's instruction, and symbolically restored the position of faith in God. However, to fulfill the offering of submission required that an elder son submit to a younger son.
God needed Noah's second born Ham to be 100% united with Noah, to inherit that symbolic victory of faith. Once this was done, then Noah's first born, Shem, could have submitted to Ham, and the new covenant been accomplished.
This is why Ham's sin of disbelief in his father was so severe. Even though Noah had faithfully believed in God, and essentially rescued his entire family from the flood, when Noah was intoxicated after the flood had passed, Ham saw him not as his pure, righteous father, but as a sinful man, just like all the unrighteous people who perished in the flood.
When Ham convinced his brothers to also disbelieve in Noah, Noah woke up and cursed Ham. Why? Because Ham through his disbelief and unfaith destroyed the symbolic foundation Noah had created through his righteous faith for 120 years plus the 40 days of purification accomplished via the flood.
Why 400 years after Noah before God chose and engaged with Abraham? Because the 40 days of purification were lost via Ham's mistake. The 400 years between Noah and Abraham were to make a symbolic purification that would allow God to re-engage with someone or a people who technically were under Satan's sovereignty and control. The number 40 continually emerges in scripture as a period of time required to separate (symbolically) from Satanic influence.
The process continues to unfold. Eventually God finds Abraham after 400 years have passed, and by taking Abraham through a complicated series of trials, eventually had Abraham succeed in the faith offering. He does this via being able to offer Isaac.
Abraham's first offering of the heifer, the goat and sheep, the birds, had failed. When he failed to cut the birds in half (symbolizing division between good and evil), God cursed Abraham's descendants to be slaves for 400 years. Why? To make a condition to separate them from the fallen master, Satan. Just like the 40 days of the flood.
Once again, God leads Abraham through a complicated series of trials, and eventually leads him to make a new offering, a far more difficult one.
So despite Abraham's first failure, God made his covenant with Abraham, but the conditions to fulfill it were still required. So it was that Isaac was offered, and Isaac, unlike Ham, had 100% faith in this father, and so could inherit Abraham's faith. Think about it. Isaac was old enough to know there was no sheep for the offering. When Abraham raised his knife to offer Isaac, Isaac didn't flinch or run away.
Thus, in that one offering, Abraham restored his position as faithful to God, by fulfilling the offering of Isaac faithfully (more difficult than even killing himself), and Isaac, through his faith in his father, restored the failure and mistake of Ham.
The faith part of the new covenant was accomplished, but the offering of submission was still required.
This was fulfilled by Esau, the first born of the twin sons of Isaac, submitting to Jacob, the second born of the twin sons of Isaac. This was only accomplished after Jacob went through a very complicated process to fully inherit the faith foundation of Isaac. It started by Jacob 'stealing' the birthright, although in fact, he had legally 'bought' it from Esau by offering him the lentils when Esau was too hungry to care.
The inheritance of Isaac's faith and the leading of Esau to submission was achieved via Jacob's path of exile, for 21 years. After winning back so much from his Uncle Laban, Jacob offered half of everything to Esau. Esau embraced Jacob, who he had wanted to kill, just as Cain had wanted to murder Abel.
This is why Jacob became 'Israel'. He successfully inherited the offering of faith, and then was able to get Esau to make the offering of submission. Jacob won the victory against the angel of God (who symbolically represented the archangel, Lucifer, that Adam failed to overcome) at the ford of jabbok, but then won the victory of love over his brother Esau, the substantial person to symbolize Lucifer submitting to Adam.
With the conditions all established now, the covenant between God and Abraham-Isaac-Jacob was accomplished. This was all done on the family level, but it needed to be expanded from a family to a clan, to a nation of people. That process took place via Joseph (whose brothers wanted to kill him, but he kept faith despite his trials, and eventually led them to submit to him), and then via Moses.
So what is the purpose of the covenant, the one God made with Abraham and his descendants? It was to lay the symbolic and substantial foundation that, standing in the position of a people restored to God, they were symbolically no longer descendants of fallen Adam, but the descendants of the coming true Adam.
This foundation to establish Israel as a people symbolically not belonging under Satan's sovereignty had one purpose: to be the foundation on which God could send the True Adam, the New Adam, Jesus Christ.
The covenant would only be fulfilled when Christ arrived and rose (through his sufferings) to the position of the New Adam, the firstborn among all who were to follow him and be reborn as the children of God, leaving the position of the children of Lucifer.
Why do we need to be reborn? Because we were born in the lineage of Lucifer, created by the Fall of Adam and Eve.
When it is said that Christ fulfilled 'the law', it means he fulfilled the PURPOSE of the law. The Law was the conditions of the covenant that allowed God to intervene, claim Israel, and send his son to them.
Israel should have had faith in Jesus, and submitted themselves to him. They did not. They murdered Jesus, just as Cain murdered Abel.
Thus, a NEW covenant was required. The old covenant had fulfilled its purpose in Jesus, but all of humanity, lead by Israel, was lost in the process (through their unfaith and failure to submit, they repeated the fall of Adam.)
The New Testament is the New Covenant. The conditions to fulfill this covenant by each person, and collectively, humanity, is not the practice off the law. It is faith in Jesus and acceptance of the Holy Spirit (which is the spiritual submission to God).
Although all of humanity was lost when Israel rejected Jesus, Jesus took all of that failure on himself, and via the Cross, laid the foundation for the new Covenant.
What's the purpose of the New Covenant? To prepare the way and the foundation for the Second Coming. The first coming secured our Spiritual Salvation. Yet the material world remains under Satan's control, just as our bodies are still subject to Adam's covenant with Lucifer, even though our spirits are liberated and belong to God through faith in Jesus.
The purpose of the Second Coming is to complete the covenants fully, both Old and New, and free the material world, and our bodies, from Satan's sovereignty, finally fully reversing every aspect of the false covenant Adam created with Lucifer.
Hallelujah. Praise God. Praise Christ. The kingdom of heaven is the destiny of humanity on earth. His will done, on Earth as in Heaven. Praise God!
Make sure you are living all 600+ laws my friend..if u break one u break them all. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I have one tattoo and have had many chats with Jesus. I have asked for forgiveness for getting in and Jesus has told me I am now free from that. He washed me clean. I no longer encourage tattoos but i also don't condem those that have them and have asked for forgiveness. I don't expect them to get them removed. I push them to ask Jesus for forgiveness and to move forward trying not to sin any more
Indeed.
Yep. 💯
That was before the cross. Jesus had to fulfill the law to be the perfect sacrifice, which allowed the grace of God to save mankind. No one was saved under the law. No one. Read Hebrews carefully - men of faith were saved by their faith in God - that he would provide a way.
For the dead...
So what are people supposed to do who had tattoos before they were saved? Scrub their body because they’re dirty? You’re starting to sound Jewish.
Careful friend your words are coming off very judging. Surely you don't wanna do that..
Jesus judges the heart. Thank God. Because I'm sure I could find many of the 600+ laws that u don't follow. And since u wanna condem/judge others for the laws they don't follow. U better be following all 600+ cause that is how u will be judged. I do understand what you are saying to a degree. We wanna seek to follow them and not guide people from them. At the same time let him who is free of sin cast the first stone. Your presentation here was off. How we come off to others is important. love you though
u/ThisIsHowItStarts I'm gonna tag u as well sis
In short we shouldn't promote tattoos as if we are free to mark our flesh, however we become free in Christ. Our past falls away so any tattoos we do have get removed as far as sin, when we accept him
Very well put. Who thought this thread would be so controversial. People get their panties in a wad about the little list of things. Just think we could be focusing on Christ instead. Lol I think I’ll do that today. God bless you and have a great day friend.
Yes Tewdryg wants to focus on the law first and Christ second. I rather focus on Jesus first and have him guide me to be perfected in the law. The whole needing to remove the tattoos completely ignores the blood of Christ and what it achieved. I do agree we shouldn't instruct people to not follow the law. How we handle our response to it though shows where are heart lies..
Please read Graham's Hierarchy of Argument and stay in the green area. When the response focuses on the tone of the writing without addressing the substance of the polemic, it is no longer a debate, but devolution. Posting non-referenced writings have little to do with the original subject matter. Have you ever heard never to give advice unless it is specifically asked for?
I see the comment is deleted. I will take that as deep down u do know u acted in a non loving way and won't further push this and debate with u. Have a blessed day
Edit: I do love that chart though
Apparently you "love" to dwell in the red area.
Ouch.
Both your post and the OPs post can be true. Remember, the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar, fulfilled the law, and gave us the gift of repentance so that we wouldn't get lost in legalism as a barometer for our value. How lucky are we that god allowed us a savior that reaches into a barrel of sinful monkeys for followers? Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom as he has every right to be wrathful, but let us not forget the woman condemned to death "go, and sin no more". There is none of us without sin, so repentance is a gift of the highest value.
Another word for Testament is Covenant. We read about the covenant in the Old Testament and it is for this reason it is sometimes referred to as the Old Covenant. A covenant is a contract. This can be easily verified. In every contract there exists terms and conditions of that contract. In the Old Testament, an example of this are the blessings and curses for Israel not upholding the laws and ordinances therein.
So, we are dealing with a great contract here. When you say you don't want to "get lost in legalism", the statement is ambiguous to me. A contract is ab initio a legal agreement between parties. A more accurate term for the New Testament is Renewed Covenant. The reason is that not one iota of the original contract (Covenant) was changed. Jesus' entire mission only changed the terms and conditions of this great contract (Covenant). Also, when you said, "the whole point of the new testament was that Jesus raised the bar,.....", I find this to be somewhat cryptic in meaning and opaque to me. Jesus came to fulfill prophesies of the Old Testament. And what is meant by "fulfilling the law" is fulfilling for all of us who believe in Him, the requirements of the Old Covenant to the exact letter and thus meeting the terms and conditions of the contract. The Old Covenant presented the Israelites with an impossible task of keeping the Old Covenant without any violations. Only Jesus succeeded in doing so. From his sacrifice, he paid for all our violations and as a blessing for His accomplishment, the Covenant was renewed with new terms and conditions. We paid with His blood so that we could live and have a chance of being saved.
I always was taught that our bodies are a temple. And that is how we can receive the Holy Spirit.
Also - we’re not Jewish, and we don’t have to live by there 616 laws or however, many there are.
Christ came to fulfill the law!
Don’t you remember he hung out with tax collectors in harlots? I’m pretty sure they might’ve had a couple tattoos.
But each person can choose what they want to do with their own body! Having a tattoo does not keep you from going to heaven.
So fren, I assume you try to keep the 10 commandments - as enshrined in Exodus? (Not the bastardized Catholic version where they actually "changed" the only part of the Bible actually written by the finger if God himself).
Im not trying to asshoe or even address the tattoo issue, just want to ask your level of understanding of God's laws.
We keep the Sabbath, which we believe is not on Sunday, but Saturday. On that day, we do not buy or purchase, nor do we work, but rather focus our attention on the Lord. Nor is one lesser or more than the other. The Decalogue you mentioned is absolute and immutable. There are no two same Commandments. The Masoretic text of the 7th and 10th are not at all the same law as being taught. Nor is the Septuagint text of the 6th and the 10th the same either. The former is based on the Law of Nature. The later is based on human lust. The original Law preceding the Decalogue was the Adamic Law to which the Decalogue was based on. The Adamic Law was based on the Laws of Nature, which is part of the Divine Order of all life forms. The Laws of Nature are based on the Eternal Law, which basically is all the physical laws of matter and energy found in the cosmos. The Eternal Law follows the Golden ratio and Fibonacci sequence, which are the scaffolds of the Divine Order. The torroidal characteristic of reality is found from the smallest particle to the most expansive galaxy. Tesla and Schauberger understood this along with many others. Tesla said, “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
Great response. I also believe the true Sabbath is the seventh day (Saturday). As I understand it the papacy changed it (Knowingly). So they put themselves above the Almighty by replacing the commandment(s) of God with false teachings and traditions of men.
I will dig deeper into some of the other nuggets you provided. TYVM. (Oh, and happy Sabbath!).
NOPE! Wrong! Leviticus 19:28 speaks against tattoos and other artificial marks against the body. Therefore you are damned. TOO LATE!
Or........ was the curtain rent from top to bottom, and the Old Testament (which includes verses against teh gays and against wearing poly-fiber clothing) laid to rest? Your call:
Matthew 27:51: "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split."
Mark 15:38: "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom."
Luke 23:45: "The sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two."
In other words, you are correct, frog. God sees only what's in the heart. And if you call upon the Lord and ask to be saved, you are.
Yes… Please, and, thank you! Very well said.
The Lord didn’t come for the righteous, but to bring sinners to repentance.
Very eloquently stated!
So you downvoted me, (expected) and answered me with scripture. What if that scripture has been twisted, lets say slightly by the Cabal. You know, like they twisted everything else in this world. In fact I find it highly unlikely that scripture is pure. It would be just perfect if they authored a book that sprung from it hundreds of religions that all liked to kill each other and to this day persecute others and judge because of it. You can grab 100 people educated in that field and get 100 different perspectives. Do you not see any kind of problem with this? They could even make the prophesy and fulfill it themselves when they choose. You are putting your faith in the fact that did not happen. I respect that. But I have to ask, have you ever given it thought?
I would not downvote in a discussion such as this
You can put your faith in God's power, or you can put your faith in the cabal's power.
You can pick only one.
That does not come close to answering the question. It also ignores logic. What I said has nothing to do with putting faith in the cabal. I expect them to do every single dastardly thing imaginable. Changing scripture does not mean I have faith in the cabal. It means this lines up to what they are not only capable of but what they would do. I suppose you could have said God would not allow them to mess with his word but if this planet truly belongs to the dark side, how can you possibly trust anything in it?
That is what I said. Maybe poorly, and I'll admit the phrasing of "putting faith in the cabal" may have been a miss in terms of my intended meaning.
I'll rephrase it:
You either have a greater faith in God's power to preserve His Word, or you have a greater faith in the cabal's ability to change it.
And the answer is you can't; you can't trust anything in the world, but you can trust in God, and by extension, His infallible revelation to Man.
The notion that the Bible has been changed is rooted solely in a lack of faith in God to preserve it, while also giving the cabal more credit than they deserve in comparison to Him.
To me, this is the most illogical position one could hold, hence why I believe it to be solely a lack of faith. The idea that the all-powerful creator of time, space, and matter, who exists outside of His creation, could fail to preserve His revelation to us if He willed it? This is absurdity. How could such a thing even be possible?
Here's a question. If you believe scripture to be twisted, this means you believe it was originally from God, correct? So is the part where it says God will preserve His word from God or from the cabal? Did the cabal put it in so we would believe their corrupted version and think it infallible? But why wouldn't God say the same thing? Surely if the all-knowing creator decided to give us revelation about Him, He wouldn't just allow these people to twist it? Especially since He knows full well that is their plan if He allows them to.
So why is it so hard to believe God preemptively told us He would preserve His Word, and to further believe that He actively does so?
Its so hard to believe because we know that written word HAS been played with. Different councils of men have added or removed texts through the years. If they do that why not just remove or add parts of books? Seems to me there may have been pretty good evidence of reincarnation removed. We look back at history and can see wars fought over different interpretations of that book.
Not necessarily. It maybe or it may not be. It could very well all be fiction. There is nothing in that book that could not have been written by man. There is nowhere that when I read a passage I am so blown away that it must be divine. Satan been given dominion over the earth until Jesus returns, right? Maybe ALL of it is bullshit. If an advanced race actually did create us or at least improve us, what better way to control us? Every single miracle in the bible , that comes to mind right now , could have been performed with advanced technology. Things that would look like magic. What really is magic? Manipulation of ones environment.
I find it so interesting how people are so condemning regarding tattoos. The infighting is interesting. I’m just glad you’re not Jesus.
It’s funny that you mention tattoo removal. I was at a treatment center yesterday for vitamin infusions. They do other aesthetics as well. They have tattoo removal available. It cost thousands of dollars, and the pictures that I saw don’t even remove the tattoos permanently. You can actually still see a shadow of them. So, although you suggest such things, I’m sure most people, especially in this day and age cannot afford to have their tattoos removed.
The whole point is that we are now free in Christ, but people still think they need to work their way to heaven. How depressing is that?
Lots of people missing the point here. He isn't saying anything bad about tattoos, he's saying if you are white, fit, and DON'T have tattoos in 2023, you're definitely conservative. I haven't seen evidence to the contrary myself. But this is not to say you can ONLY be conservative if you don't have tattoos, or if you're fit, or white. If you don't tick all those boxes, someone might ask your politics; but if you do, they should already know.
What if they are also dressed nicely? Sounds like a couple of gay guys I know - one is a dim and one is a pub.
I know a lot of clean cut brainwashed libtards in the business world.
same here fren
Says these women dont think about anything while also passing off the thought that they should know who and what he is by looking at him. Seems like someone thinks everyone should be impressed with the "image" he embodies.
Maybe you cant get to know someone by looking at them and assuming the rest.
Amen fren
What is up with all of these odd posts today?
Slow news day, frog. Your last post was 77 days ago. Exactly what are you complaining about?
Not necessarily a complaint. Just a query.
Btw, I'm loving these slow-news-day posts, Kitty.
(no sarc)
Man you sure are judgy. That’s like bad and stuff.
It is not our bodies it is God’s
Why is this here?
Username checks out. 101%
Relevant to politics, are you slow or something?
According to the mods, posts are permitted as long as they have a Q/GreatAwakening focus.
And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 1 Kings 18:28
Ye are the sons of the LORD your God; you shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead. Deuteronomy 14:1
Leviticus 19:28: “Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.”
But, hey; tattoos are “cool” and everyone has them; so they have proven that they are individuals. “A fool and his money are soon parted”. PT Barnum
See my other comment
Who would’ve thunk this would’ve been such a controversial subject. I’ve gotten more replies on this thread alone, than many in the past.
Continue the good conversation!
Thanks u/catsfive
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Angry at women much? Or rather "girls". Why you are interested in dating girls that you refuse to have a straightforward conversation with and treat with contempt is something you might look at.
I was raised Christian and never once was the scripture in Leviticus used to caution against getting tattoos. Using an Old Testament passage as a proof text to regulate activities in the New Testament Christian Age requires caution. The Law of Moses, which no longer applies today, was nailed to the cross and is not the current standard.
It's worth noting that the same chapter that forbids marking one's body also includes instructions about animal sacrifices, leaving portions of crops unharvested, avoiding mixed seeds in fields, and wearing garments made of different fabrics. If we only enforce one of these restrictions, are we being fair? The context of Leviticus 19:27-28 is about avoiding heathen practices and things associated with idolatry, where "cutting the flesh" is mentioned. For example, in 1 Kings 18:28, the prophets of Baal cut themselves in an attempt to get a response from their god. Archeological evidence shows that some Canaanites tattooed themselves with names or symbols of their favorite gods. God is likely prohibiting idolatry, not the modern practice of tattoos, in His injunction against cutting the flesh. Please consider the entire context of the scriptures instead of drawing conclusions based on one verse.
The Bible of course is open to translation. As someone already pointed out here, it is NOT for individuals to judge, Only God is able to justly do this. And let’s be serious for a minute, tattoos are the least of our worries at this point.
The best kind.
If the cabal publishes an A.I.-written "bible" as they are talking about, things are going to be chaotic I think. Their little weasel guru God-wannabe (can't remember his name) is probably in charge of it.
My adult sons are clean shaven and no tattoos as are their friends, and until recently anyway they were total libtards. Waking up I am happy to report.
You where born in a damn ferrari, DON'T PUT SILLY STICKERS ON IT
Sadly, research has shown that the majority of young woman (not all) are looking for a 6 ft tall man who makes 6 figures a year. There's only one 6 missing, and many of them are looking for that as well.