Since when did the shots get full FDA Approval? Last I checked they were still only given under EUA. If in fact that's still true then your Wife has standing in any court that isn't corrupt. The Nuremberg Code sees to that.
Are we still under an Emergency for Covid? There's so so so many ways to fight this and win. Gotta find a non corrupt court and lawyer.
This is the key. The hospital claims they were forced by state mandate but that is invalid on its face since the product was not approved. The eau automatically sunsets if a viable treatment exists. The FDA recently defended itself in court by claiming doctors were always free to use Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to treat coldvid. This argument alone seems to cancel their eau. That leaves the battle of Cominirty. Does it exist? If the State Mandate (illegal) was cancelled then you have your case. It sounds like others were successful so they would be my first option. The hospital also knows who the are and that they are likely to win again. That's when the bean counters tell the lawyers to offer $250k to buy their peace with no admission of any wrongdoing along with $90k annual salary moving forward. Take the offer. They were tricked too.
Right, So how exactly can they even try to coerce your wife and ultimately fire Her for not taking it? Stand your ground, your Wife is correct in doing so.
I've told this story on here before,i'll tell it again,my wife a nurse of 40yrs was fired in 2021 for not complying with the Doctors mandate in their private office for not getting the vaccine,I think there was one other in the office that was fired all the others complied with their mandate,she tried to get unemployment and was refused after 6 months of filing job applications every week for not complying with company policy in which there were no written policy and no written emails on this matter it was all word of mouth to comply in a previous staff meeting,we thought at the beginning we would take legal action and was told that its the private doctors offices prerogatives to make such assertions ,she was also denied religious and medical exemptions on the grounds that they could not alter the work environment for a infusion nurse faceing patient situation,so we simply moved on with our lives ,spent lots of time at our beach home and one day out of the blue a nurse friend called my wife and said she knew a doctor that needed an infusion nurse and would not mandate a vaccine ,she now makes more hourly than ever before,so all i can say friend is good luck,you might find a lawyer which will be very costly or a class action suit but those usually take years,or just move on
You should try , may end up with a class action ! I’d get a hold of nurse Poland ( article) does your wife know her ?
I’d bet your wife would win ! So proud and thankful that she refused and sorry for the emotional and financial pain that caused you guys.
Contact Jeff Childers, an attorney in Florida. He may have connections or know a lawyer in your area that is able and willing to help. https://truthsocial.com/@jchilders98
I hired a law firm to represent me last year, after I was fired from my long term big corp for refusing the vax, religious exemption denied. It's been a year and a half since submitting to the EEOC and I haven't heard anything back. I know they are fighting it, but that's it. I was recommended to look into the Alliance for Defending Freedom as a means of representation, but even their own website says that "private employers" can fire you for refusing to take it. We know that's BS, but it doesn't give me warm fuzzies.
All of the cases we've heard about on the news circuit of people standing up and are successful fighting back are either: state/federal employees, health care, or military related. Private sector is a different ballgame it seems. And we know that EEOC and CDC are working hand-in-hand to force compliance and none of the federal protections are doing much for private sector people. By design. Just proves our system is corrupt top to bottom.
Your wife might have a good chance, just because there is far more legal precedent that's come out in the last year+, either class action or otherwise. I've given up hope in my case of ever getting restitution, but as I said, there is better precedent if you are in specific industries.
See what I don’t get is the religious exemptions being “denied” by companies. I have read through the EEOC website too many times now and it’s pretty clear that when you file a religious exemption you are notifying your employer that you are exempt from whatever the policy is they have and then they offer a way to accommodate you. I worked for three different (very liberal) universities back when this went down and one accommodated me by having me wear a face shield instead of mask (for the mask on campus rule) and just said fine for the jab, another accommodated me by switching the modality of my courses to online, the third didn’t know what they were doing and cancelled my courses and I was going to report them to the EEOC for retaliation but ran out of time.
Corpos have all of the "legal" protections where they know they can get away with these things, as long as they put up a fight. Title VII clearly states (as you mentioned) the person filing is declaring their exemption, not asking the corpos "permission" for allowing the exemption. I phrased my exemption that way, but in the end it didn't matter. My former employer also said that giving me the exemption would cause "undue hardship" - my lawfirm said that all corpos use this copout to get out of accepting a person's exemption. The hard part is proving the undue hardship.
Regardless, it's an uphill battle for anyone and it sucks. It just (further) proves to me that we have no rights or protections...only what the "elites" grant us. Not that any of us on a Q board need more confirmation, but it gets real, real quick when it's hitting you right in the face in real life :(
Try getting burden of proof that the hospital was getting financial kick backs from big pharma and the government to mandate the Vax for purely financial gain. That could help to prove they were attempting to violate her rights to her own body.
More information is on their webpage - this is a good blurb to help to file an EEOC complaint.
FILE EEOC Complaint
If your request for religious exemption at your WORK has been DENIED, or APPROVED WITH UNPAID LEAVE, you will need to file a Complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). Go the EEOC website at https://EEOC.gov and scroll to the bottom of the page where you will find additional links and information about submitting a complaint. The Complaint form will need to include a description of your religious accommodation request regarding your sincerely held religious beliefs to not take these COVID shots along with the employer’s response and the termination date. Please note that you generally have 180 DAYS to file a complaint against a private employer.
Here's a link the the list of legal resources I was posting back during the covid lockdown years. It's ancient (and a total mess at this point), but there may be some useful info on it for you.
(I'm not a lawyer but was successful in obtaining a religious exemption)
Freedom of Religion / Religious Accommodation
There are many different legal arguments for the religious accommodation but it looks like all of them come down to these two major legal areas.
First Amendment - “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” [91] In the ruling for Cantwell v. Connecticut (1939; 9-0), the US Supreme Court held that state and local governments’ infringement upon religious freedom is also unconstitutional.
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act - Once an employer is on notice that an employee’s sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance prevents the employee from getting a COVID-19 vaccine, the employer must provide a reasonable accommodation unless it would pose an undue hardship. Employers also may receive religious accommodation requests from individuals who wish to wait until an alternative version or specific brand of COVID-19 vaccine is available to the employee. Such requests should be processed according to the same standards that apply to other accommodation requests.
EEOC guidance explains that the definition of religion is broad and protects beliefs, practices, and observances with which the employer may be unfamiliar. Therefore, the employer should ordinarily assume that an employee’s request for religious accommodation is based on a sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance. However, if an employee requests a religious accommodation, and an employer is aware of facts that provide an objective basis for questioning either the religious nature or the sincerity of a particular belief, practice, or observance, the employer would be justified in requesting additional supporting information. See also 29 CFR 1605. (source: https://www.eeoc.gov/wysk/what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws - under Title VII and COVID-19 Vaccinations, K.12).
Worker's Compensation:
There is also the Larson’s Workers’ Compensation treatise, which is widely cited across the country in workers’ compensation matters. In a document called "Vaccine implications in workers’ compensation" by Max Koonce, it states:
When inoculation is occasioned by the particular conditions of employment, injury resulting from the inoculation should be deemed to have occurred in the course of employment. If there is an element of actual compulsion emanating from the employer, the work connection is beyond question, as when the company requires the employee to submit to vaccination by the company's doctor as soon as the employee is hired, or during an epidemic tells the workers that unless they are vaccinated they cannot work until the epidemic is over. By equal logic, just as an employee on an overseas assignment is entitled to associate the contraction of malaria or polio or tuberculosis with the nature of the work, so any harm stemming from inoculations undertaken to protect against the risks of overseas diseases, whether the inoculations were strictly required or not, should be viewed as flowing directly from the employment. (9)
Since she's already been fired, my approach probably won't work for you. It is, however, proof that the little guy can win. Knowing that can be worth it's weight in gold.
I fought Siemens over all their mandates and won. I used common law that stared out with a conditional acceptance and escalated into a default on the parts of the CEO, CFO, HR head, and a couple of others. They eventually left me alone, and even gave me a raise. I'm still there, quietly quitting, because F them.
Was she actually fired or told to get jab or quit? Big difference bc that’s what these scumbags tried to do. They tried to get those to quit and not fire them. Huge lawsuits are available
Since when did the shots get full FDA Approval? Last I checked they were still only given under EUA. If in fact that's still true then your Wife has standing in any court that isn't corrupt. The Nuremberg Code sees to that.
Are we still under an Emergency for Covid? There's so so so many ways to fight this and win. Gotta find a non corrupt court and lawyer.
Good luck!!!
This is the key. The hospital claims they were forced by state mandate but that is invalid on its face since the product was not approved. The eau automatically sunsets if a viable treatment exists. The FDA recently defended itself in court by claiming doctors were always free to use Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to treat coldvid. This argument alone seems to cancel their eau. That leaves the battle of Cominirty. Does it exist? If the State Mandate (illegal) was cancelled then you have your case. It sounds like others were successful so they would be my first option. The hospital also knows who the are and that they are likely to win again. That's when the bean counters tell the lawyers to offer $250k to buy their peace with no admission of any wrongdoing along with $90k annual salary moving forward. Take the offer. They were tricked too.
For all those who can't copy comirnaty, I sympathize. I have to look it up every time. But it's COMIRNATY.
An anagram is: ACRONYM IT.
Alternatively: ICY MATRON, MANOR CITY, TONIC ARMY, TINY MACRO.
Thanks. I ain't taking it regardless of what they call it. Its all Greek to me.
Loving oxymorons, I'm going to go with 'Tiny Macro'! 😄
Even if the EUA was in effect still, being issued under EUA requires informed consent.
Very true, which at this point is not gonna happen....
There's only one vaccine approved by the FDA, Comrinarty. And it's not even available.
Right, So how exactly can they even try to coerce your wife and ultimately fire Her for not taking it? Stand your ground, your Wife is correct in doing so.
Here is a professor in Mane that challenged the scientific evidence behind her public university's COVID-19 policies and challenging the legality of its vaccine mandate. She will get to continue her First Amendment retaliation lawsuit against the University of Maine System. The article mentions the professor's name as well as the judge's. Good Luck. https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/professor-fired-challenging-science-behind-covid-mandates-can-sue-university
Thank you fren🐸
GMU / Scalia Law professor Todd Zywicki did the same - apparently he was represented by Harriet Hageman :)
https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/professor-who-had-covid-sues-george-mason-university-over-mandate/
A link to the organization that helped: https://nclalegal.org/ Summary of their lawsuits: https://nclalegal.org/covid-19-legal-action/
I've told this story on here before,i'll tell it again,my wife a nurse of 40yrs was fired in 2021 for not complying with the Doctors mandate in their private office for not getting the vaccine,I think there was one other in the office that was fired all the others complied with their mandate,she tried to get unemployment and was refused after 6 months of filing job applications every week for not complying with company policy in which there were no written policy and no written emails on this matter it was all word of mouth to comply in a previous staff meeting,we thought at the beginning we would take legal action and was told that its the private doctors offices prerogatives to make such assertions ,she was also denied religious and medical exemptions on the grounds that they could not alter the work environment for a infusion nurse faceing patient situation,so we simply moved on with our lives ,spent lots of time at our beach home and one day out of the blue a nurse friend called my wife and said she knew a doctor that needed an infusion nurse and would not mandate a vaccine ,she now makes more hourly than ever before,so all i can say friend is good luck,you might find a lawyer which will be very costly or a class action suit but those usually take years,or just move on
Beautiful story thank you for sharing
why would someone downvote this?
What better evidence of wrongful termination do you need than being offered your job back when you're still not vaxxed? 🤷♂️🤔
Hope they are offering back pay.
Kek They would have but unfortunately they spent it all. Like FEMA dollars. Gone
You should try , may end up with a class action ! I’d get a hold of nurse Poland ( article) does your wife know her ? I’d bet your wife would win ! So proud and thankful that she refused and sorry for the emotional and financial pain that caused you guys.
Username checks out, kek
Contact Jeff Childers, an attorney in Florida. He may have connections or know a lawyer in your area that is able and willing to help.
https://truthsocial.com/@jchilders98
Childers Coffee & Covid [email protected]
I hired a law firm to represent me last year, after I was fired from my long term big corp for refusing the vax, religious exemption denied. It's been a year and a half since submitting to the EEOC and I haven't heard anything back. I know they are fighting it, but that's it. I was recommended to look into the Alliance for Defending Freedom as a means of representation, but even their own website says that "private employers" can fire you for refusing to take it. We know that's BS, but it doesn't give me warm fuzzies.
All of the cases we've heard about on the news circuit of people standing up and are successful fighting back are either: state/federal employees, health care, or military related. Private sector is a different ballgame it seems. And we know that EEOC and CDC are working hand-in-hand to force compliance and none of the federal protections are doing much for private sector people. By design. Just proves our system is corrupt top to bottom.
Your wife might have a good chance, just because there is far more legal precedent that's come out in the last year+, either class action or otherwise. I've given up hope in my case of ever getting restitution, but as I said, there is better precedent if you are in specific industries.
See what I don’t get is the religious exemptions being “denied” by companies. I have read through the EEOC website too many times now and it’s pretty clear that when you file a religious exemption you are notifying your employer that you are exempt from whatever the policy is they have and then they offer a way to accommodate you. I worked for three different (very liberal) universities back when this went down and one accommodated me by having me wear a face shield instead of mask (for the mask on campus rule) and just said fine for the jab, another accommodated me by switching the modality of my courses to online, the third didn’t know what they were doing and cancelled my courses and I was going to report them to the EEOC for retaliation but ran out of time.
Corpos have all of the "legal" protections where they know they can get away with these things, as long as they put up a fight. Title VII clearly states (as you mentioned) the person filing is declaring their exemption, not asking the corpos "permission" for allowing the exemption. I phrased my exemption that way, but in the end it didn't matter. My former employer also said that giving me the exemption would cause "undue hardship" - my lawfirm said that all corpos use this copout to get out of accepting a person's exemption. The hard part is proving the undue hardship.
Regardless, it's an uphill battle for anyone and it sucks. It just (further) proves to me that we have no rights or protections...only what the "elites" grant us. Not that any of us on a Q board need more confirmation, but it gets real, real quick when it's hitting you right in the face in real life :(
The Thomas More Society can help: https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/
Try getting burden of proof that the hospital was getting financial kick backs from big pharma and the government to mandate the Vax for purely financial gain. That could help to prove they were attempting to violate her rights to her own body.
Liberty Counsel is also a good link to use: https://lc.org/exempt
More information is on their webpage - this is a good blurb to help to file an EEOC complaint.
FILE EEOC Complaint
If your request for religious exemption at your WORK has been DENIED, or APPROVED WITH UNPAID LEAVE, you will need to file a Complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). Go the EEOC website at https://EEOC.gov and scroll to the bottom of the page where you will find additional links and information about submitting a complaint. The Complaint form will need to include a description of your religious accommodation request regarding your sincerely held religious beliefs to not take these COVID shots along with the employer’s response and the termination date. Please note that you generally have 180 DAYS to file a complaint against a private employer.
Link to contact them for legal help -> https://lc.org/legal-help
Thanks to everyone for the great comments and resources.
Here's a link the the list of legal resources I was posting back during the covid lockdown years. It's ancient (and a total mess at this point), but there may be some useful info on it for you.
https://greatawakening.win/p/140vt1eegy/resources--lawyers-to-fight-vaxx/
In particular, you might want to start with Renz Law (on the list). If they can't help, be sure to ask for a referral to other firms, etc.
(I'm not a lawyer but was successful in obtaining a religious exemption)
Freedom of Religion / Religious Accommodation
There are many different legal arguments for the religious accommodation but it looks like all of them come down to these two major legal areas.
First Amendment - “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” [91] In the ruling for Cantwell v. Connecticut (1939; 9-0), the US Supreme Court held that state and local governments’ infringement upon religious freedom is also unconstitutional.
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act - Once an employer is on notice that an employee’s sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance prevents the employee from getting a COVID-19 vaccine, the employer must provide a reasonable accommodation unless it would pose an undue hardship. Employers also may receive religious accommodation requests from individuals who wish to wait until an alternative version or specific brand of COVID-19 vaccine is available to the employee. Such requests should be processed according to the same standards that apply to other accommodation requests. EEOC guidance explains that the definition of religion is broad and protects beliefs, practices, and observances with which the employer may be unfamiliar. Therefore, the employer should ordinarily assume that an employee’s request for religious accommodation is based on a sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance. However, if an employee requests a religious accommodation, and an employer is aware of facts that provide an objective basis for questioning either the religious nature or the sincerity of a particular belief, practice, or observance, the employer would be justified in requesting additional supporting information. See also 29 CFR 1605. (source: https://www.eeoc.gov/wysk/what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws - under Title VII and COVID-19 Vaccinations, K.12).
Worker's Compensation:
There is also the Larson’s Workers’ Compensation treatise, which is widely cited across the country in workers’ compensation matters. In a document called "Vaccine implications in workers’ compensation" by Max Koonce, it states: When inoculation is occasioned by the particular conditions of employment, injury resulting from the inoculation should be deemed to have occurred in the course of employment. If there is an element of actual compulsion emanating from the employer, the work connection is beyond question, as when the company requires the employee to submit to vaccination by the company's doctor as soon as the employee is hired, or during an epidemic tells the workers that unless they are vaccinated they cannot work until the epidemic is over. By equal logic, just as an employee on an overseas assignment is entitled to associate the contraction of malaria or polio or tuberculosis with the nature of the work, so any harm stemming from inoculations undertaken to protect against the risks of overseas diseases, whether the inoculations were strictly required or not, should be viewed as flowing directly from the employment. (9)
I took a position at a hospital in Utah… try another state..
Lawyer up and good luck!
I’m having the same problem with my kid in Massachusetts.
Similar story for me trying to get my wife's green card. It's a pain in the ass, but still better than being jabbed.
Ya who wants to be a US citizen right now anyways. Pay tax to demonic pedophiles. Just don't get jabbed and wait till potato head is out.
I wanted to move back after Trump became president. My application has been in the works for 2-3 years.
Right now I just want to buy a house and settle down with my family. If I can do that in another country, then that could be an option.
Marry a citizen?
Too late, already have two kids. Also kind of hard when I've been living abroad for the last 20 years.
Yep. Just waiting game at this point.
The Liberty Council is a collection of lawyers who fight against stuff like this.
Since she's already been fired, my approach probably won't work for you. It is, however, proof that the little guy can win. Knowing that can be worth it's weight in gold.
I fought Siemens over all their mandates and won. I used common law that stared out with a conditional acceptance and escalated into a default on the parts of the CEO, CFO, HR head, and a couple of others. They eventually left me alone, and even gave me a raise. I'm still there, quietly quitting, because F them.
Here's part 8 of my saga with links to the earlier posts.
Did she file for an exemption?
Unfortunately no... she saw many others try and fail for religious exemption and medical, so she felt it was useless.
Not useless. Everything takes time but if they deny these exemptions they are wrong.
Found this article. Hope it helps.
https://www.themainewire.com/2023/08/judge-denies-maine-governors-bid-to-halt-lawsuit-alleging-her-covid-19-vax-mandate-violated-religious-freedom/
Was she actually fired or told to get jab or quit? Big difference bc that’s what these scumbags tried to do. They tried to get those to quit and not fire them. Huge lawsuits are available