there is no "palestinian land". there has never in history been a palestinian state in the middle east. best guess, the Philistines were seaborne invaders from the island of Crete. Israel is not their home and never was
Exactly Fren! God used Rome in 70AD in a most dramatic way to scatter the so called "Jews" and kick them out of the land because of their consistent obstinance, their unbelief, they're killing of all the prophets sent to them, their constant turning to satanism...AND...finally their rejection of their Messiah to the point of having Jesus killed by the Roman government. The Zionists are still operating the same way today...most of the world stage is controlled by Zionist Rothschild which most on this forum know is responsible for virtually all the systemic evil on the planet.
Modern Israel wasn't the fulfillment of prophecy as so many of my Christian Evangelical brothers and sisters have been taught. Israel is simply a fiefdom of the Rothschild banking cartel and was funded and created by the Rothschilds money at the expense of some 500 thousand Palestinians living in and around Israel in 1947-48. A good read on this subject is The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Jewish historian Ilan Pappe.
By the time Rome sacked Israel in 70AD, the Hebrew nation had long served its purpose as God had used the Hebrews to usher in the old Mosaic Covenant (Judaism and the Law) which highlighted sin and disobedience and provided a lineage for the future Messiah which was prophesied over and over again by the Old Testament prophets.
Without trying to sound antisemitic (which is difficult because it's used like the word "racist" in our messed up culture)...God picked the Hebrews to usher in the Messiah because, as God put it in Isaiah 48:4..."Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass..." God could have picked a meek and obedient nation, but historically God always seems to use the most difficult people to serve His purposes. For example God chose Moses to lead the Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt. Moses was a hard case (Hebrew by bloodline of course). He was a murderer and had difficulty with speech and temper. However, the best example of God using the most difficult and unlikely person to accomplish His purposes was using Saul of Tarsus to ultimately become Paul and write most of the New Testament letters!
In similar fashion, God used a most obstinate, rebellious, unlikely people to usher in the most incredible miracle of our Savior Jesus Christ!
Sorry this is so long...but I cannot end this rant without mentioning to my Evangelical 501c3 church going brothers and sisters that you need to stop reading your NWO poisoned bibles and stop listening to pastor and prophecy charlatans who are teaching you Darby/Dispensational garbage that only serves to put your focus on Israel and takes the focus off of Jesus Christ and the glorious New Covenant of Grace He ushered in when Israel was ended in 70AD by God Himself!
A lot of what you say resonates with me but I’m curious why God can use the obstinate Hebrews for His purpose and the murderer Saul of Tarsus for His purpose but not evil Rothschild for His purpose of creating a Hebrew nation in a day?
Secondly, anything taken to the extreme becomes flawed and dangerous. The same applies to dispensationalism. However dispensationalism cannot be negated. It is an evident truth and it’s my understanding it was around long before Darby. You proved it yourself by acknowledging the purpose of the Hebrews and the purpose of the apostle Paul. These are representative of separate dispensations. The former brought the law the latter spread the gospel of grace.
Thinking a Hebrew nation was created is the problem. They called it Israel, used the Star of David, and Christians fell for it. They should have called it Rothistan, but then Christians wouldn't have bent themselves into a religious pretzel defending Rothistan.
Christians often use the verse in the Bible about God blessing those that bless Israel. Well, tell me, have you seen God's blessing bestowed on the United States since 1948? Constant wars. Constant moral decay. Most of which has been caused by banks, and the entertainment industry. No doubt you know who runs those. So, either God is not blessing those who bless Israel, or this isn't the Israel we were told to believe it is.
If someone tried to sell me a Rolls Royce, and I realized it was fake, I wouldn't buy it. Christians never bothered asking anything about this Israel. They didn't look under the hood. They just jumped up and down, clapping like trained seals because Israel was a country again. They even excused away the fact that Israel had an intelligence agency working inside the US, because "Muh God's chosen people." It's not the same Israel. It's just not. It's a scam, and has been a scam for decades.
for His purpose of creating a Hebrew nation in a day?
For a general, providential purpose, sure. As in: the Lord causes nations to rise and fall throughout history, according to his preordained plans.
But for a special, biblically significant purpose? No. This would be based on the fallacy that God is a real estate agent. That physical land was NEVER an end unto itself. It was a temporal theocratic setting, set aside for holy use starting at the giving of the Law on Mt Sinai until the coming of Christ. It was in a sense heaven come down on earth in an imperfect picture form, but only in specific boundaries of time and space. The whole point of the nation of Israel was a demonstration that blessing and righteousness must go together, so that not just Jews but all of humanity could look and see what it means to dwell with a holy and just God. Heaven is not just given away for free, it must be earned by perfect and perpetual obedience. (Israel agreed at Sinai to Follow all the commandments given to them so that they would dwell peacefully in the land). But the problematic condition of sin prevented that situation from enduring. So as Israel turned away from their covenant God and followed their own desires and other gods, they were judged, conquered, exiled, scattered, etc.
When Jesus the true and faithful Israel personified came, he inaugurated the kingdom of heaven, and the NT prophets and apostles were clear that this kingdom from above supersedes and fulfills what the earthly kingdom of Israel was pointing to all along.
Think of the land of Israel as the small scale model of a city plan on display behind glass, so everyone can get a sense of what the real thing will be like. Jesus' kingdom ("My kingdom is not of this world") is the real thing described by that model, but his kingdom comes in two stages (first in humility, then at the end in glory). That little toy model no longer has value once the real thing was inaugurated. All that is left is the fullness of that kingdom of glory consummating the heavens and the earth. A strip of land along the eastern Mediterranean has no special place in this unfolding of redemptive history.
The word "dispensationalism" could be applied to what you are saying, but your argument is merely semantics and isn't how dispensationalist teaching is literally "woven into" the narrative of the Bible erroneously. Darbyists love to ignore all time stamps given in scripture to clarify when events prophesied would happen. Instead they ignore the time stamps and tell their flocks that it's in the future in order to take away from the finished work of Jesus on the Cross and the end of the Old Covenant. Two examples...In Matthew 24 Jesus give His disciples a list of events and circumstances that will occur in the future. Without exception each one of the bullet points Jesus gives is used by Dispensationalist Evangelicals to explain what will signs going on in our lifetime or in the future in Israel. The problem is pastors, professors at most Christian Colleges and Seminaries, Prophecy charlatans, etc. refuse to deal with verse 34 where Jesus plainly says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Seriously, why would Jesus try to comfort an early Church that was going to be in the midst of severe persecution by telling them a bunch of data points that were going to happen thousands of years into the future?
If you read Josephus account of the sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD, you see that Jesus was 100% correct. Everything He said would happen prior to that generation's passing did indeed happen...exactly!
You're correct, God can indeed use the Rothschilds to create a new Hebrew nation...BUT, that's not what happened. A new Hebrew nation...bloodline...wasn't created. A very worldly, satanic, sick and highly corrupt nation was created and it's ambition is being fueled by the sick teachings of Zionism. God, using the Rothschilds to create a wicked state on the backs of slaughtered Palestinians is not at all something the God of Scripture would do!
I don't think the dangers of Dispensational teaching can be overstated. In fact, I think it's safe to say one of the main reasons we are losing our country and way of life is directly because of the teachings of Darby and the Scofield NWO bible. Most Evangelical 501c3 Tax Exempt NWO churches are teaching their flocks that Israel is the key to prophesy and that the Jews are still God's favored people. The Zionist feed off this belief and is the main reason they cling to their world domination ideology. To them all other people are just Goyim and Scofield Christians perpetuate this wicked racism.
Darby also taught that there would be world government but that Christians would be "Raptured" out before the really bad stuff of God's judgement of mankind began. With this frame of mind firmly established in the spirit of well meaning Christian men and women, is it any wonder most of them would choose to sit back and just wait to be raptured out of harms way? Why fight against something that apparently God has foreordained to occur? This is why there has been minimal push back from the Christians in America against the evil and wickedness that's overrun our nation! This sad state can be laid directly on the lap of the inept 501c3 Scofield Churches! If our Founding Fathers had been taught by Dispensationalist Pastors, we would all be under the rule of Britain and the greatest missionary nation in the history of the world never would have existed most likely.
Clearly world government is not in our future...it's like herding cats. Nationalism is stronger than ever and to think that God is going to allow this when He explicitly gave His Son the Keys to the Kingdom after His resurrection and destroyed the plans of the devil is just not Biblical and it goes completely against God's Sovereign character. Jesus will never relinquish His control and ownership ever again. Adam had it once and gave it to satan. Jesus received it back when he defeated satan once and forever on the Cross. Now it's just a matter of time (how long I don't know...could take another thousand, two thousand years or longer) for the beautiful, simple message of Christ's Gospel to win the world over in love. As Jesus told Peter, "And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Doesn't sound like world government was in Jesus' idea for the future either?
Others have commented on the Rothschild aka Khazarian/Ashkenazi connection in relation to Israel, but there is another aspect of this which is extremely relevant today. Much of modern Israel is in fact Edom, which is the descendants of Esau.
In very short though, Esau had a legitimate claim to the rights of the firstborn which was stolen by Jacob at the suggestion of his mother, and made possible because Isaac was blind.
According to Biblical law the only way to disinherit the firstborn is if they screw up (ie Reuben dishonored his father's bed). Esau had not done so as yet, so he had a valid legal claim still.
Fast forward to modern times and you have Esau/Edom taking the birthright/name of Israel/Jacob and taking the land back by deception, empowered by the blinded prophets of the church. They've been given their time in the sun, but ultimately as we see in the state of Israel, I believe they too will be found rebellious before God and will be disinherited on account of their actions.
The link above does a much better job than I have, but maybe that's enough to whet someone's interest.
Moses was not meek and shy. Not sure how you come to that conclusion? He had a speech impediment, but also had a violent temper. This is the very reason he couldn't enter the promise land. He murdered an Egyptian, broke the first set of Commandments, and he struck the Rock two times. Each of these eruptions was because he had a violent temper.
They (the cabal aka Pharisees aka Cain aka Zionists Rome and on and on) have been doing these horrible things to humanity per ages. I don’t really know their identity because they have adopted and stole too many. Anyhow hopefully this time their days are over.
they didnt "invent" it so much as take their word for the ancient israelite enemy, the Philistines, and slap that name on the area. but there was never a Philistine state in the area, either. they invaded in waves starting in 13 or 1400 bc and constantly battled Egypt and Israel. never took any consequential amount of territory, to the point that archeologists cant even be sure where they came from. the "isle of Crete" theory is based on similar pottery, not any historical record. so while there were some Philistine cities and defeated Philistines probably did mingle w the inhabitants of the land, there was never a cohesive country callled "Philistia" or "Palestine" until the Romans started calling Israel that during their occupation
I see this argument more and more. Because the Palestineans never organized and made a modern state registered with the United Nations means there was never a Palestinean state. That argument is practically a strawman. Any map prior to 1949 shows that land as Palestine because the world recognized it as such because there was no state of Israel. Now along comes the U.N. and the State of Israel at the behest of the Rothschilds after WWII and all the sudden Palestine never existed?
I have no problem with Israels right to exist but I do have a problem with its existence predicated on the displacement of another people. The argument pretends the land was empty and unused and that is clearly untrue.
the word "Palestine" was put there by the Roman government while they ruled the region, based on their word for the Israelite enemy, Philistines. the Philistines were a seafaring invader and it's not clear where they came from originally, but 1. they were defeated by Israel and Egypt, and only ever had a few cities
2. the cities were few and far between, and never established a country called "philistia" or "palestine"
the arabs living in Gaza today have no claim to "the nation of palestine", because there never was one. and even tho they could potentially have petitioned for a state and gotten one, as the Jews did following the fall of the Ottoman empire, their commitment to war and terrorism has basically disqualified them from statehood. Nobody, jew or Arab, wants a Palestinian in their nation because they are completely hate-filled suicide bombers from birth. It isnt the "nation of Palestine" truly at issue, or any sympathetic neighboring country could just say, "come here and settle". but they dont. The palestinians hate the nation of Israel and want to see it wiped out. "from the river to the sea" means they will take out all the territory Israel has, in a sort of "manifest destiny". so even if Israel granted them more space, or if Egypt or Jordan or Syria took in the palestinians, they would use their newfound space and wealth to create more terrorist attacks and international incidents. nobody wants them. they have been raising their kids to attack Israel since the 1950s.
This is why I don't really take sides in this issue. Everything you say about the Palestineans is pretty much true about the Israelis. Israel is an apartheid terrorist state. They did 9/11 for peats sake. Maybe the Palestineans are a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths, but after the way they have been treated, how you would you act towards the people that threw you and your family out of your home and ancestral lands? I actually knew a Palestinean family who came to the US once they were forcibly removed from their home so a jewish family could live there. No one wants to talk about that though. God forbid!
except that israel bothered to get recognized by global treaty, and defended their claim via war in the 6 Days War. neither of those things have happened for the palestinian people. any overtures towards "wanting to be a state" are just lipstick over the ugly goal "wanting to be a state with the exact same boundaries as modern Israel, where Jews are wiped out".
there are like 50 muslim nations in the world and 1 jewish nation. so while I agree israel has misdeeds to answer for, their claim and the palestinian claim are not comparable. israel has a right to exist as a state
the philistines were no longer a thing by the time of Christ. they lost a war with Egypt and were eventually assimilated into various Canaanite cultures.
there is no "palestinian land". there has never in history been a palestinian state in the middle east. best guess, the Philistines were seaborne invaders from the island of Crete. Israel is not their home and never was
Right. It belongs to Rome
Exactly Fren! God used Rome in 70AD in a most dramatic way to scatter the so called "Jews" and kick them out of the land because of their consistent obstinance, their unbelief, they're killing of all the prophets sent to them, their constant turning to satanism...AND...finally their rejection of their Messiah to the point of having Jesus killed by the Roman government. The Zionists are still operating the same way today...most of the world stage is controlled by Zionist Rothschild which most on this forum know is responsible for virtually all the systemic evil on the planet.
Modern Israel wasn't the fulfillment of prophecy as so many of my Christian Evangelical brothers and sisters have been taught. Israel is simply a fiefdom of the Rothschild banking cartel and was funded and created by the Rothschilds money at the expense of some 500 thousand Palestinians living in and around Israel in 1947-48. A good read on this subject is The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Jewish historian Ilan Pappe.
By the time Rome sacked Israel in 70AD, the Hebrew nation had long served its purpose as God had used the Hebrews to usher in the old Mosaic Covenant (Judaism and the Law) which highlighted sin and disobedience and provided a lineage for the future Messiah which was prophesied over and over again by the Old Testament prophets.
Without trying to sound antisemitic (which is difficult because it's used like the word "racist" in our messed up culture)...God picked the Hebrews to usher in the Messiah because, as God put it in Isaiah 48:4..."Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass..." God could have picked a meek and obedient nation, but historically God always seems to use the most difficult people to serve His purposes. For example God chose Moses to lead the Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt. Moses was a hard case (Hebrew by bloodline of course). He was a murderer and had difficulty with speech and temper. However, the best example of God using the most difficult and unlikely person to accomplish His purposes was using Saul of Tarsus to ultimately become Paul and write most of the New Testament letters!
In similar fashion, God used a most obstinate, rebellious, unlikely people to usher in the most incredible miracle of our Savior Jesus Christ!
Sorry this is so long...but I cannot end this rant without mentioning to my Evangelical 501c3 church going brothers and sisters that you need to stop reading your NWO poisoned bibles and stop listening to pastor and prophecy charlatans who are teaching you Darby/Dispensational garbage that only serves to put your focus on Israel and takes the focus off of Jesus Christ and the glorious New Covenant of Grace He ushered in when Israel was ended in 70AD by God Himself!
A lot of what you say resonates with me but I’m curious why God can use the obstinate Hebrews for His purpose and the murderer Saul of Tarsus for His purpose but not evil Rothschild for His purpose of creating a Hebrew nation in a day?
Secondly, anything taken to the extreme becomes flawed and dangerous. The same applies to dispensationalism. However dispensationalism cannot be negated. It is an evident truth and it’s my understanding it was around long before Darby. You proved it yourself by acknowledging the purpose of the Hebrews and the purpose of the apostle Paul. These are representative of separate dispensations. The former brought the law the latter spread the gospel of grace.
Thinking a Hebrew nation was created is the problem. They called it Israel, used the Star of David, and Christians fell for it. They should have called it Rothistan, but then Christians wouldn't have bent themselves into a religious pretzel defending Rothistan.
Christians often use the verse in the Bible about God blessing those that bless Israel. Well, tell me, have you seen God's blessing bestowed on the United States since 1948? Constant wars. Constant moral decay. Most of which has been caused by banks, and the entertainment industry. No doubt you know who runs those. So, either God is not blessing those who bless Israel, or this isn't the Israel we were told to believe it is.
If someone tried to sell me a Rolls Royce, and I realized it was fake, I wouldn't buy it. Christians never bothered asking anything about this Israel. They didn't look under the hood. They just jumped up and down, clapping like trained seals because Israel was a country again. They even excused away the fact that Israel had an intelligence agency working inside the US, because "Muh God's chosen people." It's not the same Israel. It's just not. It's a scam, and has been a scam for decades.
Honestly that went right over my head. I feel stupid
For a general, providential purpose, sure. As in: the Lord causes nations to rise and fall throughout history, according to his preordained plans.
But for a special, biblically significant purpose? No. This would be based on the fallacy that God is a real estate agent. That physical land was NEVER an end unto itself. It was a temporal theocratic setting, set aside for holy use starting at the giving of the Law on Mt Sinai until the coming of Christ. It was in a sense heaven come down on earth in an imperfect picture form, but only in specific boundaries of time and space. The whole point of the nation of Israel was a demonstration that blessing and righteousness must go together, so that not just Jews but all of humanity could look and see what it means to dwell with a holy and just God. Heaven is not just given away for free, it must be earned by perfect and perpetual obedience. (Israel agreed at Sinai to Follow all the commandments given to them so that they would dwell peacefully in the land). But the problematic condition of sin prevented that situation from enduring. So as Israel turned away from their covenant God and followed their own desires and other gods, they were judged, conquered, exiled, scattered, etc.
When Jesus the true and faithful Israel personified came, he inaugurated the kingdom of heaven, and the NT prophets and apostles were clear that this kingdom from above supersedes and fulfills what the earthly kingdom of Israel was pointing to all along.
Think of the land of Israel as the small scale model of a city plan on display behind glass, so everyone can get a sense of what the real thing will be like. Jesus' kingdom ("My kingdom is not of this world") is the real thing described by that model, but his kingdom comes in two stages (first in humility, then at the end in glory). That little toy model no longer has value once the real thing was inaugurated. All that is left is the fullness of that kingdom of glory consummating the heavens and the earth. A strip of land along the eastern Mediterranean has no special place in this unfolding of redemptive history.
The word "dispensationalism" could be applied to what you are saying, but your argument is merely semantics and isn't how dispensationalist teaching is literally "woven into" the narrative of the Bible erroneously. Darbyists love to ignore all time stamps given in scripture to clarify when events prophesied would happen. Instead they ignore the time stamps and tell their flocks that it's in the future in order to take away from the finished work of Jesus on the Cross and the end of the Old Covenant. Two examples...In Matthew 24 Jesus give His disciples a list of events and circumstances that will occur in the future. Without exception each one of the bullet points Jesus gives is used by Dispensationalist Evangelicals to explain what will signs going on in our lifetime or in the future in Israel. The problem is pastors, professors at most Christian Colleges and Seminaries, Prophecy charlatans, etc. refuse to deal with verse 34 where Jesus plainly says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Seriously, why would Jesus try to comfort an early Church that was going to be in the midst of severe persecution by telling them a bunch of data points that were going to happen thousands of years into the future?
If you read Josephus account of the sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD, you see that Jesus was 100% correct. Everything He said would happen prior to that generation's passing did indeed happen...exactly!
You're correct, God can indeed use the Rothschilds to create a new Hebrew nation...BUT, that's not what happened. A new Hebrew nation...bloodline...wasn't created. A very worldly, satanic, sick and highly corrupt nation was created and it's ambition is being fueled by the sick teachings of Zionism. God, using the Rothschilds to create a wicked state on the backs of slaughtered Palestinians is not at all something the God of Scripture would do!
I don't think the dangers of Dispensational teaching can be overstated. In fact, I think it's safe to say one of the main reasons we are losing our country and way of life is directly because of the teachings of Darby and the Scofield NWO bible. Most Evangelical 501c3 Tax Exempt NWO churches are teaching their flocks that Israel is the key to prophesy and that the Jews are still God's favored people. The Zionist feed off this belief and is the main reason they cling to their world domination ideology. To them all other people are just Goyim and Scofield Christians perpetuate this wicked racism.
Darby also taught that there would be world government but that Christians would be "Raptured" out before the really bad stuff of God's judgement of mankind began. With this frame of mind firmly established in the spirit of well meaning Christian men and women, is it any wonder most of them would choose to sit back and just wait to be raptured out of harms way? Why fight against something that apparently God has foreordained to occur? This is why there has been minimal push back from the Christians in America against the evil and wickedness that's overrun our nation! This sad state can be laid directly on the lap of the inept 501c3 Scofield Churches! If our Founding Fathers had been taught by Dispensationalist Pastors, we would all be under the rule of Britain and the greatest missionary nation in the history of the world never would have existed most likely.
Clearly world government is not in our future...it's like herding cats. Nationalism is stronger than ever and to think that God is going to allow this when He explicitly gave His Son the Keys to the Kingdom after His resurrection and destroyed the plans of the devil is just not Biblical and it goes completely against God's Sovereign character. Jesus will never relinquish His control and ownership ever again. Adam had it once and gave it to satan. Jesus received it back when he defeated satan once and forever on the Cross. Now it's just a matter of time (how long I don't know...could take another thousand, two thousand years or longer) for the beautiful, simple message of Christ's Gospel to win the world over in love. As Jesus told Peter, "And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Doesn't sound like world government was in Jesus' idea for the future either?
Others have commented on the Rothschild aka Khazarian/Ashkenazi connection in relation to Israel, but there is another aspect of this which is extremely relevant today. Much of modern Israel is in fact Edom, which is the descendants of Esau.
Much deeper discussion of this here: https://godskingdom.org/studies/ffi-newsletter/2023/identifying-nations-in-prophecy-part-2/
In very short though, Esau had a legitimate claim to the rights of the firstborn which was stolen by Jacob at the suggestion of his mother, and made possible because Isaac was blind.
According to Biblical law the only way to disinherit the firstborn is if they screw up (ie Reuben dishonored his father's bed). Esau had not done so as yet, so he had a valid legal claim still.
Fast forward to modern times and you have Esau/Edom taking the birthright/name of Israel/Jacob and taking the land back by deception, empowered by the blinded prophets of the church. They've been given their time in the sun, but ultimately as we see in the state of Israel, I believe they too will be found rebellious before God and will be disinherited on account of their actions.
The link above does a much better job than I have, but maybe that's enough to whet someone's interest.
Moses wasn't a tough guy at all, he was meek and shy. He could only speak if there was no eye contact, Aaron had to speak for him
Moses was not meek and shy. Not sure how you come to that conclusion? He had a speech impediment, but also had a violent temper. This is the very reason he couldn't enter the promise land. He murdered an Egyptian, broke the first set of Commandments, and he struck the Rock two times. Each of these eruptions was because he had a violent temper.
There is no such thing as "antisemitic", the J__s invented the word to perpetuate victimization.
They (the cabal aka Pharisees aka Cain aka Zionists Rome and on and on) have been doing these horrible things to humanity per ages. I don’t really know their identity because they have adopted and stole too many. Anyhow hopefully this time their days are over.
110 in about 24rs when the thousand nations (and rockets) of some persian empire decend upon them lol
Rome invented Palestine to humilate the Jews, something going on to this day.
they didnt "invent" it so much as take their word for the ancient israelite enemy, the Philistines, and slap that name on the area. but there was never a Philistine state in the area, either. they invaded in waves starting in 13 or 1400 bc and constantly battled Egypt and Israel. never took any consequential amount of territory, to the point that archeologists cant even be sure where they came from. the "isle of Crete" theory is based on similar pottery, not any historical record. so while there were some Philistine cities and defeated Philistines probably did mingle w the inhabitants of the land, there was never a cohesive country callled "Philistia" or "Palestine" until the Romans started calling Israel that during their occupation
Natural law would say that people, stateless or not, occupying the land have a legitimate claim to it.
I see this argument more and more. Because the Palestineans never organized and made a modern state registered with the United Nations means there was never a Palestinean state. That argument is practically a strawman. Any map prior to 1949 shows that land as Palestine because the world recognized it as such because there was no state of Israel. Now along comes the U.N. and the State of Israel at the behest of the Rothschilds after WWII and all the sudden Palestine never existed?
I have no problem with Israels right to exist but I do have a problem with its existence predicated on the displacement of another people. The argument pretends the land was empty and unused and that is clearly untrue.
the word "Palestine" was put there by the Roman government while they ruled the region, based on their word for the Israelite enemy, Philistines. the Philistines were a seafaring invader and it's not clear where they came from originally, but 1. they were defeated by Israel and Egypt, and only ever had a few cities 2. the cities were few and far between, and never established a country called "philistia" or "palestine"
the arabs living in Gaza today have no claim to "the nation of palestine", because there never was one. and even tho they could potentially have petitioned for a state and gotten one, as the Jews did following the fall of the Ottoman empire, their commitment to war and terrorism has basically disqualified them from statehood. Nobody, jew or Arab, wants a Palestinian in their nation because they are completely hate-filled suicide bombers from birth. It isnt the "nation of Palestine" truly at issue, or any sympathetic neighboring country could just say, "come here and settle". but they dont. The palestinians hate the nation of Israel and want to see it wiped out. "from the river to the sea" means they will take out all the territory Israel has, in a sort of "manifest destiny". so even if Israel granted them more space, or if Egypt or Jordan or Syria took in the palestinians, they would use their newfound space and wealth to create more terrorist attacks and international incidents. nobody wants them. they have been raising their kids to attack Israel since the 1950s.
This is why I don't really take sides in this issue. Everything you say about the Palestineans is pretty much true about the Israelis. Israel is an apartheid terrorist state. They did 9/11 for peats sake. Maybe the Palestineans are a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths, but after the way they have been treated, how you would you act towards the people that threw you and your family out of your home and ancestral lands? I actually knew a Palestinean family who came to the US once they were forcibly removed from their home so a jewish family could live there. No one wants to talk about that though. God forbid!
except that israel bothered to get recognized by global treaty, and defended their claim via war in the 6 Days War. neither of those things have happened for the palestinian people. any overtures towards "wanting to be a state" are just lipstick over the ugly goal "wanting to be a state with the exact same boundaries as modern Israel, where Jews are wiped out". there are like 50 muslim nations in the world and 1 jewish nation. so while I agree israel has misdeeds to answer for, their claim and the palestinian claim are not comparable. israel has a right to exist as a state
It could be that the Philistines are the descendents of the Jews during the time of Jesus
the philistines were no longer a thing by the time of Christ. they lost a war with Egypt and were eventually assimilated into various Canaanite cultures.