Construction was completed in 2015, so it should be modern enough to have these backup systems.
I understand the significance of the Key Bridge, however, I have a hard time dismissing the symbolism. How many people know or remember who wrote the Star Spangled Banner these days? I suspect the British distinctly do. The use of a ship is also symbolic since at the time the British had a mighty navy.
The ship was probably hacked. A shipfag video i watched explained that if the motor went down the propeller would basically free wheel behind the ship. The water being forced through a draging propeller would encourage a turn to starboard. Also, the police chatter blocking off the bridge repeats that the steering was out. This was either a very unfortunate situation or a very well orchestrated attack.
JUST so everyone knows...these ships INCLUDING cruise ships have a "back-up" STEERING SYSTEM in the AFT part of the ship...which too me means that this was a deliberate attack...FYI!!!
Right.
The known challenge to using the aft steering is time and man power. Not to mention the distance needed to cover to effectively manipulate it in the minutes between the failure/hack and collision.
It's very reasonable to conclude this was created and no accident. It's a safe assumption that the SOP of what the crew did and the turning to starboard of a drifting vessel would have been studied and known to whomever pulled this off.
I'm really surprised the media didn't use this as a "Sum of all Fears" reason to get normies to want to attack Russia and not just forget the diddler epstien. Makes me think it was our clowns using an old play they've prepared long ago but didn't capitalize on it because they were rushed for a distraction.
My son worked on merchant vessels for 10 years. Remember the El Faro that sank and lost its entire crew back in Oct 2015? It was because it catastrophically lost all power in a hurricane and without power the ship was not able to steer causing the ship to turn sideways to the wind instead of heading into the wind. It rolled over and sank. My son was on the same model ship but in the pacific at the time and I watched the hurricane tracker every day after that incident. Those vessels take miles to make turns and if the current is strong against the turning direction it’s even harder. merchant ships are not like cars that can easily turn a corner and honestly knowing what I know based on his stories through the years I’m a bit shocked that there are not more incidents. Backup systems are not bulletproof.
Whatever happened we will never be told the truth. Every anon knows this. If America isn’t under attack it sure is being destroyed one piece at a time…
I don’t understand why everyone here thinks a backup manual steering control would make any difference in this amount of time with a vessel that weighs over 200 million pounds. Am I the only one that’s seen a vessel of this size? Why not highlight the corrupt city of Baltimore who I guarantee has gotten recommendations to retrofit greater protection to the pylons of this critical bridge? I feel like I’d be banned even trying to make a reasonable thread about this. Rant over
I was right up with you until your second point. I feel like pedes have NOT seen a ship this size before. It's unimaginable (just think of each of those cargo containers being on the back of a semi truck)
Which is why no protection in the world would have kept that bridge up.
From a direct hit, certainly not, they admitted that shortly after it was built. The ‘dolphins’ that protect them are only good for deflection, it’s quite hard to find good technical specs of these on various bridges however, so I can’t say for sure that ANY ‘dolphin’ as these bumpers are known are rated to take a collision from one of these ships.
Typically they are controlled by huge hydraulic rams, or gears. Meaning the do not flop around when power goes out. So a power outage causing a turn to starboard is highly unlikely
In any case the cabin lights and deck lights would not be on the same circuit as the steering system.
Is your furnace/AC system on the same circuit as your lights in your house?
What i understand is that a freewheeling propeller getting pulled by a ship will act like a rutter influencing a turn to the right as it fights the still water passing under the ship.
Rudder.
And no.
What you suggest would result in a progressive turn.
If you look at the course track there is a discrete point of deviation follows by a strait leg.
Prop is on centerline unless the vessel has twin props which would balance.
It is an arching progressive turn. It's a huge ship. There is a moment when the lights go down the first time that it starts to turn and only stops turning after the black exhaust is expelled. Then the lights go down again. It only appears to straighten out when either the anchor starts dragging or the ruDDer and engine get momentarily back under control. A single propeller will pass water it is drug through off to the starboard side causing a dead ship to turn right. All that has to happen was a shut down at the right moment to set this up. My guess is a second shut down happened when the crew was able to possibly counter hence the second lights out moment.
Perhaps in reverse though? Before the lights went out the ship was in the correct channel and headed for the middle of the opening. The lights go out and it starts to turn. The lights come back on a black smock starts coming out the exhaust stack. The lights go out again and then a few seconds later the smoke quits coming out. Then the lights come back on, more smoke starts up again, and the ship seems to straighten out and maybe even turn away from the pylon then impact. I think they got hacked and shut down.
When the hack happened it killed the motor and generators. The drag on the propeller started turning the ship. They started the motor back up and threw it in reverse and throttle it wide open and tried to turn left. They got hacked again and loose motor and lights but get started back up and drop an anchor on the back left side and start to correct but it's too late.
The anchor and warning call tell me the crew were trying to avoid this. All the hacker really needed to do was inflict a kill switch at the right time to float this battering ram in the right direction and down it goes.
I think someone had control that was NOT on the ship. The thing to have done when lost power was to use the rudder to steer straight ahead without power unless the current would hve pushed you into the bridge.
Didn’t the Captain give the order to drop anchor and that could have caused the bow to swing but not stop the ship? I sort of recall watching a video on this.
Anchor port side was dropped. Proves they were trying to stop or at least slow down and turn left. Anchor is useless to stop the momentum in shallow water were not enough chain weight is pulled out of the boat and the soft mud just gets plowed by the Anchor though. They at least tried.
This is great and all, but there was a Princess Cruise ship that slammed into the dock coming back from an Alaska Cruise just this week. The story I saw on the news said it came into the dock area kind of spinning. Accidents can happen (this doesn't mean it wasn't sabotage) and stuff can break. Who knows if either of those accidents were the result of hacks, drunk captains, something breaking, or were actually done on purpose?
There are single points of failure all over. If bad fuel was responsible take a wild guess where the backup generators were getting their fuel from. Yup, the same tanks.
Unless it was purposeful like this. 👇🏻😉
https://youtu.be/g_rWja1Xiu8?si=OUvmDzOXQQdFZexv
Rapunzel! Rapunzel!
Kek!
Beats backing into a pond and drowning............those darn hackers
Funny video, looks more like Boeing post DEI, minus the cultural enrichers.
What's that song; "what do you do with a drunkin sailor, make him the captain of a ship of containers .......goes something like that.
Put him in the bed with the captains daughter?
😆
https://youtu.be/Vcdbn6vx40w
Thank You, enjoyed it.
Construction was completed in 2015, so it should be modern enough to have these backup systems.
I understand the significance of the Key Bridge, however, I have a hard time dismissing the symbolism. How many people know or remember who wrote the Star Spangled Banner these days? I suspect the British distinctly do. The use of a ship is also symbolic since at the time the British had a mighty navy.
Dunno, just something I've thought about today.
The ship was probably hacked. A shipfag video i watched explained that if the motor went down the propeller would basically free wheel behind the ship. The water being forced through a draging propeller would encourage a turn to starboard. Also, the police chatter blocking off the bridge repeats that the steering was out. This was either a very unfortunate situation or a very well orchestrated attack.
JUST so everyone knows...these ships INCLUDING cruise ships have a "back-up" STEERING SYSTEM in the AFT part of the ship...which too me means that this was a deliberate attack...FYI!!!
Somewhat of a pictorial history: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternate+steerage+control+for+ships+in+aft+part&t=newext&atb=v419-4&iax=videos&ia=videos
Right. The known challenge to using the aft steering is time and man power. Not to mention the distance needed to cover to effectively manipulate it in the minutes between the failure/hack and collision.
It's very reasonable to conclude this was created and no accident. It's a safe assumption that the SOP of what the crew did and the turning to starboard of a drifting vessel would have been studied and known to whomever pulled this off.
I'm really surprised the media didn't use this as a "Sum of all Fears" reason to get normies to want to attack Russia and not just forget the diddler epstien. Makes me think it was our clowns using an old play they've prepared long ago but didn't capitalize on it because they were rushed for a distraction.
My son worked on merchant vessels for 10 years. Remember the El Faro that sank and lost its entire crew back in Oct 2015? It was because it catastrophically lost all power in a hurricane and without power the ship was not able to steer causing the ship to turn sideways to the wind instead of heading into the wind. It rolled over and sank. My son was on the same model ship but in the pacific at the time and I watched the hurricane tracker every day after that incident. Those vessels take miles to make turns and if the current is strong against the turning direction it’s even harder. merchant ships are not like cars that can easily turn a corner and honestly knowing what I know based on his stories through the years I’m a bit shocked that there are not more incidents. Backup systems are not bulletproof.
Whatever happened we will never be told the truth. Every anon knows this. If America isn’t under attack it sure is being destroyed one piece at a time…
48 hrs later more info leaks out. Tomorrow will be 72 hrs.
I read that they have a wheel they can turn 30x for 1 degree of rudder.
Totally useless in a tight turn with an outgoing tide and the already limited maneuverability
I don’t understand why everyone here thinks a backup manual steering control would make any difference in this amount of time with a vessel that weighs over 200 million pounds. Am I the only one that’s seen a vessel of this size? Why not highlight the corrupt city of Baltimore who I guarantee has gotten recommendations to retrofit greater protection to the pylons of this critical bridge? I feel like I’d be banned even trying to make a reasonable thread about this. Rant over
I was right up with you until your second point. I feel like pedes have NOT seen a ship this size before. It's unimaginable (just think of each of those cargo containers being on the back of a semi truck)
Which is why no protection in the world would have kept that bridge up.
From a direct hit, certainly not, they admitted that shortly after it was built. The ‘dolphins’ that protect them are only good for deflection, it’s quite hard to find good technical specs of these on various bridges however, so I can’t say for sure that ANY ‘dolphin’ as these bumpers are known are rated to take a collision from one of these ships.
Typically they are controlled by huge hydraulic rams, or gears. Meaning the do not flop around when power goes out. So a power outage causing a turn to starboard is highly unlikely In any case the cabin lights and deck lights would not be on the same circuit as the steering system. Is your furnace/AC system on the same circuit as your lights in your house?
What i understand is that a freewheeling propeller getting pulled by a ship will act like a rutter influencing a turn to the right as it fights the still water passing under the ship.
Rudder. And no. What you suggest would result in a progressive turn. If you look at the course track there is a discrete point of deviation follows by a strait leg. Prop is on centerline unless the vessel has twin props which would balance.
It is an arching progressive turn. It's a huge ship. There is a moment when the lights go down the first time that it starts to turn and only stops turning after the black exhaust is expelled. Then the lights go down again. It only appears to straighten out when either the anchor starts dragging or the ruDDer and engine get momentarily back under control. A single propeller will pass water it is drug through off to the starboard side causing a dead ship to turn right. All that has to happen was a shut down at the right moment to set this up. My guess is a second shut down happened when the crew was able to possibly counter hence the second lights out moment.
Or it was turned deliberately. At exactly the right time... He didn't overdo the turn either. Went strait for the pier.
It's like a celebrity's car, it's really hard to steer when the cia take control of it remotely
Seems this is unraveling very quickly.
The ship's engines were billowing black smoke like they were running full bore all the way until impact.
Perhaps in reverse though? Before the lights went out the ship was in the correct channel and headed for the middle of the opening. The lights go out and it starts to turn. The lights come back on a black smock starts coming out the exhaust stack. The lights go out again and then a few seconds later the smoke quits coming out. Then the lights come back on, more smoke starts up again, and the ship seems to straighten out and maybe even turn away from the pylon then impact. I think they got hacked and shut down.
When the hack happened it killed the motor and generators. The drag on the propeller started turning the ship. They started the motor back up and threw it in reverse and throttle it wide open and tried to turn left. They got hacked again and loose motor and lights but get started back up and drop an anchor on the back left side and start to correct but it's too late.
The anchor and warning call tell me the crew were trying to avoid this. All the hacker really needed to do was inflict a kill switch at the right time to float this battering ram in the right direction and down it goes.
I think someone had control that was NOT on the ship. The thing to have done when lost power was to use the rudder to steer straight ahead without power unless the current would hve pushed you into the bridge.
Didn’t the Captain give the order to drop anchor and that could have caused the bow to swing but not stop the ship? I sort of recall watching a video on this.
In the overhead drone videos, there is an anchor dropped.
There has been no release that I have seen as to who the Harbor Pilot who was piloting the ship is.
This is a really good point.
Originally from ifunny meme maker I would say false...
https://ifunny.co/picture/tracker-deep-tracker-deep-container-ships-do-not-lose-their-Ajm4Kh9KB
Hmmmm.
umm.. Anchor .
Anchor port side was dropped. Proves they were trying to stop or at least slow down and turn left. Anchor is useless to stop the momentum in shallow water were not enough chain weight is pulled out of the boat and the soft mud just gets plowed by the Anchor though. They at least tried.
At unpowered low speeds the rudder doesn't do much.
This is great and all, but there was a Princess Cruise ship that slammed into the dock coming back from an Alaska Cruise just this week. The story I saw on the news said it came into the dock area kind of spinning. Accidents can happen (this doesn't mean it wasn't sabotage) and stuff can break. Who knows if either of those accidents were the result of hacks, drunk captains, something breaking, or were actually done on purpose?
electrical bus faukt means even with power it cant go where you want it too as for the slight turn to starboard see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlIhoxIxM30
bank pressure is a huge influence on a hull this big one of the reasons pilots are required
There are single points of failure all over. If bad fuel was responsible take a wild guess where the backup generators were getting their fuel from. Yup, the same tanks.
If you watch it at 8x, its 100% being steered right into that main support column, it makes precise movements and corrections to hit it.