Dude has a point. Something that has always bothered me as well. Christians ignoring the fact that Israel continues to persecute Christians and wants them removed from Palestine as well.
if this guy were actually a Christian (he's not), he being from the middle east (he's not), then he would know about the Christian genocide that has been going on in the middle east since islam was first spawned.
Millions of Christians in the region have been uprooted from their homes, and many have been killed, kidnapped, imprisoned and discriminated against, the report finds. It also highlights discrimination across south-east Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and in east Asia – often driven by state authoritarianism. “The inconvenient truth,” the report finds, is “that the overwhelming majority (80%) of persecuted religious believers are Christians”.
No love for israel, but don't expect Christians to want to lift a finger for muslims in the war they themselves started, especially since their fellow muslims don't want anything to do with them either.
None of that negates the fact that Christians that are ok with people being killed are not following their own faith. And Christians should care more about the Holy Land and what's taking place there. Not shirking and running with the "muzzies deserve it" ideology.
Read that again, it's the summary of the last 2,000+ years....
Christians try and try daily to follow and DO as Jesus Teaches in the New Testament, and those are in fact the ONLY Rules we need to live by, WE do not NEED the Old Testament because Jesus Closed that Book with his arrival, and he said so....
The Jews, Fooled and Insulted God for a Second time, and Murdered his Son Jesus, and now they want to have a Man Made Israel, with a ""Temple"", some 2,000 Years after breaking the Second Covenant given to them by God???
I don't fucking think so, I highly doubt that God is that much of a FOOL....
As for the Muzzies, they're even worse, they want to Murder Everyone that isn't a Muzzie, Refuses to become a Muzzie, insults Islam or Mudhamhead, and the two main targets are the Christians and Jews....
Nope, as Christians WE, sooner or later, and much better SOONER, must realize that this is an ALL OUT WAR against All of Christianity, bar none....
This is a Two on One type of Fight, and we should openly Cheer for ALL of the Weapons we have been forced to pay for that those two sides are using against each other, better they attack and lessen each others Numbers, than lessen ours....
Its a lost cause. Evangelicals will never give up the man made zion idea. Despite Revelation saying GOD brings his holy city DOWN FROM HEAVEN. imo, all sides are building a throne for the antichrist.
And if you believe trying to actively bring about the second coming is a good idea? Will refer you to Amos "Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord".
The promises don't apply unbelieving Jews. They apply to those who have been baptized into Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3:26-29 "You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise."
God's promise to the Jews who worship Moloch and the star of their god Rephan is exile.
Acts 7:43 "And you took up the tabernacle of Moloch and the star of your god Rephan, the images that you made to worship them; and I will remove you beyond Babylon.'"
This, as quoted by Stephen was a history lesson and a reminder that they had not always followed God's law. Later in this very section it is pointed out that godly Jews buried him.
Acts 7:58
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit,
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
The promises don't apply unbelieving Jews. They apply to those who have been baptized into Jesus Christ.
I’m curious if Starlink is going to have anything to do with it..
Right now, antichrist systems and actors could be in anything, though.
Here’s a good question, I both think we need to act in some capacity because the cavalry isn’t coming, and that we need to wait on The Lord. How might those two statements be rectified?
Even just the idea that God said "these things will happen before Revelation" and so then some weirdos think "OK so we'll make all of those happen, so Revelation will start" is retarded.
God didn't give you an instruction set to start Revelations, dummies.
That's mainly because they think that Apocalypse means something special, like ""End of the World"", and because many have bought into the whole ""Rapture"" Mumbo Jumbo, and to top it all off, they really don't Read very well, nor do they cross reference much of anything.....
We see this level of empty Heads on the Dot-Wins all the time....
It's a Protestant thing, and totally based upon one Passage, pretty much nothing else::
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The main problem I see is that although God can do anything, even transform a Body into pure Energy, what would be the use, of doing that, when the Body is Dead in Sin, and all the Sins are of the Flesh. therefore possibly transforming the Sins into pure Energy also???
Especially now that I know that Repentance, as given by example by God, simply means to Change your Mind....
And there's this::
Romans 8:10—"Christ is in you". "But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness."
Not to derail the Thread, but surely, others know this also....
I have been pondering this specific thing for a while, especially since it became obvious that the Vaxxxines were in fact Bioweapons....
Well, IF I twist my Mind a bit, and begin to think like a Churchy Churcher, I can very easily jump through hoops and Prove the ""Rapture"", by simply claiming that those who have Died from the Vaxxxine were ""TRUE CHRISTIANS"", and they were ""Raptured"", instead of MURDERED....
This alone, and no other obvious Evidence added, matter of fact, would necessarily need to be purposefully excluded, would Justify pretty much everything the Leftists did and have done, and have been doing, for the last Two Decades....
And what's even worse, this alone places ME, and all those like me, on the wrong side of Religious History, and does so in a very nefarious way, as it then affirms Satans. aka Allah, plans for Humanity, all because some Clown didn't know what he was reading in the Bible, didn't connect other passages to the main one he leaned upon, didn't Research deeply at all, and from that, Fooled oh soo many people into believing something that just is NOT Truth....
This is the REAL Sin that we must REPENT from, This is the Real Sin that we Must Change our Minds and Stop doing....
If God can Repent, then who are WE to refuse to repent???
KJV
Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Deuteronomy 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
2 Samuel 24:15-16 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
These passages go on, where Repentance doesn't mean what some people think it means, it simply means ""Change of Mind"", Change of Mental Position concerning a thing....
And Rapture, is not backed by anything more than that one single passage, IF there's another, I still don't know about it....
Yeah that something has a key modifier before it that says "better that" because what they face outside this realm, if unrepentant, would be the second death. I swear between the millstones and table flips I think most "Christians" here have literally never read any other piece of the scripture. Just ignore the Commandments, the Beatitudes, and all the times that Christ taught to not meet evil with more evil.
There is a reason Matthew 7 exists and it would behoove you all that think violence is the solution to anything to actually read the Gospels, and if you need it to get a red letter version so you don't get confused. A lot of you are going rush headlong into the abyss chasing the demons thinking that was somehow the mandate because you embraced the teachings of the world over the teachings of Christ and then get sucked into the pit because it's all you can focus on.
Vengeance is the Lords. Vengeance is not the psychopathic supposed "followers" of His teachings thinking they can torture, maim, and kill their way out of the world of darkness.
Christ the Lord has come to bring a sword, which is the Word of His tongue, and the Word the cleaving blade between the wheat and tares, between the Children of God and the children of disobedience. Those that hear and follow Christ's Commandments, and those that hear and do not.
I don't think he really was. Saying one would be better off to have a millstone around their neck than to hurt a child didn't mean he would tie the millstone. It's a metaphor about karma and how energy attracts like energy.
Israel has the unofficial Carte Blanche from it’s Islamic Neighbors to handle affairs in the Gaza Strip. Given they haven’t acted beyond stern finger wags about the bombing campaign and any threats about accepting potential resettlement efforts.
The only Islamic Countries which really seem to give a Damn about the Palestinians beyond generic PR Humanitarian statements and aid packages. Are Qatar, and Iran. Both of whom are known to furnish Hamas and various other Islamic Fundamentalist groups with Money, Military Equipment and Advisors. Not to mention shelter the Leadership of aforementioned groups.
Somewhat ironically the People who seem to be the most bent out of shape and Angry about events in the area on both sides are White Westerners. And the Palestinians for obvious reasons
I also remember Palestine in my childrens Bible in the early 80s. Had maps and pictures in it and i spent the entire sermon looking at animals of the levant and historic tools, as well as the maps.
I dont think any Christians are saying “Kill them all”. I know if windsor were shooting rockets into Detroit, id require the US gov to take care of that. Not that everyone has to die, but they can no longer operate under a separate government. The Hamas of windsor would be toast.
Like the ones that think the temple being destroyed in 70 a.d. was a one and done?Not even close. It will repeated in the future as well. See Matthew 24:1 and Luke 21:5 and how their wording differs in the Olivet Discourse.
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see a third constructed temple being built (it likely will be), though I personally think that the era of the third temple has already been decreed and is still here.
The people on both sides deserve better. Both sides slaughter the other. We see mass graves in Gaza and everyone assumes that Jews are responsible. But those mass graves are in Gaza where the Palestinians had control. And isnt it convenient they are found at this exact time?
And why would the Hamas leaders initiate this fight in the way they did in the first place? They knew what the reaction would be. It is all an excuse to further nefarious intent. The death cult needs the Palestinians removed so they can control the massive gas fields off their coast. They need them removed so that a secondary canal from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean can be dug through Gaza. Knowing that Arab nations wont take them the Biden faggots are building an artificial harbor, not for humanitarian aid as stated, but for the removal of these people to the US to further their agenda here.
This is a massive FF psyop where the leaders of all sides, but really all the same side, are playing against the good people, Jew, Muslim and Christian.
Absolutely! They pulled the same type of psyop during the COVID Scamdemic, pitting the vaxxed against the unvaxxed. Some didn't fall for it, many did.
This is why the statement in green in the side-bar is so important:
They want you divided.
They want you labeled by race, religion, class, sex, etc.
Divided you are weak [no collective power].
Divided you attack each other and miss the true target [them].
The Jews and Arabs in the land related to each other quite well until the Cabal Masters In Great Britain and America became involved.
(btw, I love your lead sentence: >The people on both sides deserve better.
So if the area is rly Palestine not Israel then the Jews who live there are also Palestinians and it’s a inter tribal war not a genocide… funny how hamas publicly states they want to kill all Jews but somehow Israel is committing a “genocide” by fighting to get its citizens return being held hostage by terrorists
how hamas publicly states they want to kill all Jews
Lies
fighting to get its citizens return being held hostage
Israel holds thousands of Palestinian hostages and has been kidnapping/arresting/disappearing Palestinians for decades. It could simply agree to a swap; no destruction necessary.
Dude has a point. Something that has always bothered me as well. Christians ignoring the fact that Israel continues to persecute Christians and wants them removed from Palestine as well.
if this guy were actually a Christian (he's not), he being from the middle east (he's not), then he would know about the Christian genocide that has been going on in the middle east since islam was first spawned.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/02/persecution-driving-christians-out-of-middle-east-report
No love for israel, but don't expect Christians to want to lift a finger for muslims in the war they themselves started, especially since their fellow muslims don't want anything to do with them either.
None of that negates the fact that Christians that are ok with people being killed are not following their own faith. And Christians should care more about the Holy Land and what's taking place there. Not shirking and running with the "muzzies deserve it" ideology.
BOTH the Muzzies and the Jews are Wrong....
Read that again, it's the summary of the last 2,000+ years....
Christians try and try daily to follow and DO as Jesus Teaches in the New Testament, and those are in fact the ONLY Rules we need to live by, WE do not NEED the Old Testament because Jesus Closed that Book with his arrival, and he said so....
The Jews, Fooled and Insulted God for a Second time, and Murdered his Son Jesus, and now they want to have a Man Made Israel, with a ""Temple"", some 2,000 Years after breaking the Second Covenant given to them by God???
I don't fucking think so, I highly doubt that God is that much of a FOOL....
As for the Muzzies, they're even worse, they want to Murder Everyone that isn't a Muzzie, Refuses to become a Muzzie, insults Islam or Mudhamhead, and the two main targets are the Christians and Jews....
Nope, as Christians WE, sooner or later, and much better SOONER, must realize that this is an ALL OUT WAR against All of Christianity, bar none....
This is a Two on One type of Fight, and we should openly Cheer for ALL of the Weapons we have been forced to pay for that those two sides are using against each other, better they attack and lessen each others Numbers, than lessen ours....
Islam spawned and existed since Ishmael left Abraham. This isn’t even true cause the first Christian didn’t exist until Christ was born.
Its a lost cause. Evangelicals will never give up the man made zion idea. Despite Revelation saying GOD brings his holy city DOWN FROM HEAVEN. imo, all sides are building a throne for the antichrist.
And if you believe trying to actively bring about the second coming is a good idea? Will refer you to Amos "Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord".
God’s promises to Israel are still in effect. Maranatha quickly is appropriate.
The promises don't apply unbelieving Jews. They apply to those who have been baptized into Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3:26-29 "You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise."
God's promise to the Jews who worship Moloch and the star of their god Rephan is exile.
Acts 7:43 "And you took up the tabernacle of Moloch and the star of your god Rephan, the images that you made to worship them; and I will remove you beyond Babylon.'"
This, as quoted by Stephen was a history lesson and a reminder that they had not always followed God's law. Later in this very section it is pointed out that godly Jews buried him. Acts 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit,
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
Romans 3 answers this quite nicely: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/3/1/s_1049001
This Is not entirely accurate, please read Romans 9 - 11 with an open mind. https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/9/1/s_1055001,
I’m curious if Starlink is going to have anything to do with it..
Right now, antichrist systems and actors could be in anything, though.
Here’s a good question, I both think we need to act in some capacity because the cavalry isn’t coming, and that we need to wait on The Lord. How might those two statements be rectified?
Hmm.
I think we should oppose mandates from men and also wait on the Lord in regards to His Kingdom.
Even just the idea that God said "these things will happen before Revelation" and so then some weirdos think "OK so we'll make all of those happen, so Revelation will start" is retarded.
God didn't give you an instruction set to start Revelations, dummies.
That's mainly because they think that Apocalypse means something special, like ""End of the World"", and because many have bought into the whole ""Rapture"" Mumbo Jumbo, and to top it all off, they really don't Read very well, nor do they cross reference much of anything.....
We see this level of empty Heads on the Dot-Wins all the time....
Agreed.
The Rapture stuff reaaaaaally bothers me.
It's a Protestant thing, and totally based upon one Passage, pretty much nothing else::
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The main problem I see is that although God can do anything, even transform a Body into pure Energy, what would be the use, of doing that, when the Body is Dead in Sin, and all the Sins are of the Flesh. therefore possibly transforming the Sins into pure Energy also???
Especially now that I know that Repentance, as given by example by God, simply means to Change your Mind....
And there's this::
Romans 8:10—"Christ is in you". "But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness."
Not to derail the Thread, but surely, others know this also....
Someone is downvoting you (and me). Not I. Your post is worthy and I did upvote. I suspect a foreign saboteur.
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My biggest issue with the Rapture folks is the one-two punch:
So retarded.
I have been pondering this specific thing for a while, especially since it became obvious that the Vaxxxines were in fact Bioweapons....
Well, IF I twist my Mind a bit, and begin to think like a Churchy Churcher, I can very easily jump through hoops and Prove the ""Rapture"", by simply claiming that those who have Died from the Vaxxxine were ""TRUE CHRISTIANS"", and they were ""Raptured"", instead of MURDERED....
This alone, and no other obvious Evidence added, matter of fact, would necessarily need to be purposefully excluded, would Justify pretty much everything the Leftists did and have done, and have been doing, for the last Two Decades....
And what's even worse, this alone places ME, and all those like me, on the wrong side of Religious History, and does so in a very nefarious way, as it then affirms Satans. aka Allah, plans for Humanity, all because some Clown didn't know what he was reading in the Bible, didn't connect other passages to the main one he leaned upon, didn't Research deeply at all, and from that, Fooled oh soo many people into believing something that just is NOT Truth....
This is the REAL Sin that we must REPENT from, This is the Real Sin that we Must Change our Minds and Stop doing....
If God can Repent, then who are WE to refuse to repent???
KJV
Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Deuteronomy 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
2 Samuel 24:15-16 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
These passages go on, where Repentance doesn't mean what some people think it means, it simply means ""Change of Mind"", Change of Mental Position concerning a thing....
And Rapture, is not backed by anything more than that one single passage, IF there's another, I still don't know about it....
You can't really call yourself a Christian and be pro-death, whether it's through genocide, abortion or the death penalty.
Jesus himself believed in the death penalty - something about millstones. FFS
Yeah that something has a key modifier before it that says "better that" because what they face outside this realm, if unrepentant, would be the second death. I swear between the millstones and table flips I think most "Christians" here have literally never read any other piece of the scripture. Just ignore the Commandments, the Beatitudes, and all the times that Christ taught to not meet evil with more evil.
There is a reason Matthew 7 exists and it would behoove you all that think violence is the solution to anything to actually read the Gospels, and if you need it to get a red letter version so you don't get confused. A lot of you are going rush headlong into the abyss chasing the demons thinking that was somehow the mandate because you embraced the teachings of the world over the teachings of Christ and then get sucked into the pit because it's all you can focus on.
Vengeance is the Lords. Vengeance is not the psychopathic supposed "followers" of His teachings thinking they can torture, maim, and kill their way out of the world of darkness.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-1/
Christ the Lord has come to bring a sword, which is the Word of His tongue, and the Word the cleaving blade between the wheat and tares, between the Children of God and the children of disobedience. Those that hear and follow Christ's Commandments, and those that hear and do not.
Are you Christ the Lord?
I don't think he really was. Saying one would be better off to have a millstone around their neck than to hurt a child didn't mean he would tie the millstone. It's a metaphor about karma and how energy attracts like energy.
Wrong.
What the crap with the -1s lately.
Israel has the unofficial Carte Blanche from it’s Islamic Neighbors to handle affairs in the Gaza Strip. Given they haven’t acted beyond stern finger wags about the bombing campaign and any threats about accepting potential resettlement efforts.
The only Islamic Countries which really seem to give a Damn about the Palestinians beyond generic PR Humanitarian statements and aid packages. Are Qatar, and Iran. Both of whom are known to furnish Hamas and various other Islamic Fundamentalist groups with Money, Military Equipment and Advisors. Not to mention shelter the Leadership of aforementioned groups.
Somewhat ironically the People who seem to be the most bent out of shape and Angry about events in the area on both sides are White Westerners. And the Palestinians for obvious reasons
Palestine NEVER existed. Anywhere. Ever.
https://x.com/psyop4921/status/1784951291917013110?t=m_5aAMw35md-EHV29-6g1Q&s=09
I also remember Palestine in my childrens Bible in the early 80s. Had maps and pictures in it and i spent the entire sermon looking at animals of the levant and historic tools, as well as the maps.
Most Arab leaders, like most western leaders, are compromised. That's why.
I dont think any Christians are saying “Kill them all”. I know if windsor were shooting rockets into Detroit, id require the US gov to take care of that. Not that everyone has to die, but they can no longer operate under a separate government. The Hamas of windsor would be toast.
Christians of all flavors also ignore 75%+ of their own book (“dispensationalism”)
Not shocking at this point. We are all very dumb and would do well to humble ourselves much more strongly than we do.
Edit: Keep up those downvotes! “Till heaven and earth pass away, not one letter or pen stroke”. Who are you downvoting? Has all been accomplished?
“I came, not to abolish The Law, but…”
Like the ones that think the temple being destroyed in 70 a.d. was a one and done?Not even close. It will repeated in the future as well. See Matthew 24:1 and Luke 21:5 and how their wording differs in the Olivet Discourse.
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see a third constructed temple being built (it likely will be), though I personally think that the era of the third temple has already been decreed and is still here.
The people on both sides deserve better. Both sides slaughter the other. We see mass graves in Gaza and everyone assumes that Jews are responsible. But those mass graves are in Gaza where the Palestinians had control. And isnt it convenient they are found at this exact time?
And why would the Hamas leaders initiate this fight in the way they did in the first place? They knew what the reaction would be. It is all an excuse to further nefarious intent. The death cult needs the Palestinians removed so they can control the massive gas fields off their coast. They need them removed so that a secondary canal from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean can be dug through Gaza. Knowing that Arab nations wont take them the Biden faggots are building an artificial harbor, not for humanitarian aid as stated, but for the removal of these people to the US to further their agenda here.
This is a massive FF psyop where the leaders of all sides, but really all the same side, are playing against the good people, Jew, Muslim and Christian.
Absolutely! They pulled the same type of psyop during the COVID Scamdemic, pitting the vaxxed against the unvaxxed. Some didn't fall for it, many did.
This is why the statement in green in the side-bar is so important: They want you divided. They want you labeled by race, religion, class, sex, etc. Divided you are weak [no collective power]. Divided you attack each other and miss the true target [them].
The Jews and Arabs in the land related to each other quite well until the Cabal Masters In Great Britain and America became involved.
(btw, I love your lead sentence: >The people on both sides deserve better.
It shows an openness and empathy I appreciate!
Gaza, is 23% Christian
So if the area is rly Palestine not Israel then the Jews who live there are also Palestinians and it’s a inter tribal war not a genocide… funny how hamas publicly states they want to kill all Jews but somehow Israel is committing a “genocide” by fighting to get its citizens return being held hostage by terrorists
Can the liars just stop lying already?
Not even saying who the liars are, just that it’s clearly somebody!
Lies
Israel holds thousands of Palestinian hostages and has been kidnapping/arresting/disappearing Palestinians for decades. It could simply agree to a swap; no destruction necessary.
..yawn..
Sadly a lot of uniparty-"conservative" Christians in the US are proudly supporting open Satanists, as they murder Palestinian Christians.
The hexagram seems to be the symbol of Chiun/Remphan/Saturn. Which would mean they are openly holding up the star of Saturn as they murder Christians.