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A local mom that is slowly waking up has been asking the wife and I questions. Her husband lost his previous wife (two of their 5 kids lost that mom) due to cancer so I have to be VERY careful about what I say. I don't want to scare them away and make myself look more like a kook than I already do. They tend to listen to the wife and I since we were there for my niece as the medical establishment murdered her at 11 years old with chemo, focal radiation and puberty blockers. Most questions I can answer off the top of my head, but her last request requires a bit more digging.
She regrets getting the Covid shot for work so she's asking if there are any Sensory Disorders associated with the shots. In the past she's complained of brain fog and forgetfulness. Unfortunately I didn't save a link to all the published side effects, so if anyone has that handy, I'd greatly appreciate the help / link.
Thank you all and God Bless!
My co-worker who got the 1st 2 shots and 3 more boosters afterwards has been walking around like a zombie since last year. His mind became very slow, stressed out, and critical thinking greatly depreciated. He told me last month he went for a check up and they found a clot in one of the veins in his head.. I forgot what he said later on.. they probably make him take High blood pressure pills and told him to watch his cholesterol or something along that line. So after that he's only been eating salad, and now probably got parasites too. I tried to offer him ivermectin, zpack, and about the lion diet but he said he'd only listen to his doctor. It's really sad because he's actually a nice guy. And yeah he voted for Brandon.
Brain fog was the most reported effect, even on Reddit vaccine sub, even during all the censorship.
If you google, you should still find tons.
GME completed its sale of 45 million shares and raised almost a billion,possibly for merger.
Price up 15% afterhours.
Merger with?
Bbby, they have 11 billion in net operating losses, plus a massive fraud case against GPM.
FYI: Zappos's is online store shipments are coming from Amazon in a Zappos box. I’ve ordered about three pairs of shoes in the last eighteen months and returned them all because they didn’t fit right. I ordered yesterday and said it would be delivered today, that should have been a red flag. I noticed you can pay with your amazon account but I think you can on some other stores also. The shoes I ordered today was my fourth pair in the past five to ten years of OluKai Ohana flip flops. I believe Zappos is selling fake brands, can’t prove it. Amazon has a reputation for doing this. I could get an index finger between my foot and the strap. It’s also possible the shoe was not right because they are made in china. I’m mainly posting because most people here don’t want to shop at Amazon and Zappos used to be a very reputable retailer.
Interesting.. remember the founder or CEO of Zappos died by suicide or fire? I wonder if they were trying to silent him. Ecco is a good quality brand for shoes but I'd recommend buying directly from their website.
I ordered seltzer once a dozen of those and they were shipped from Walmart. Go figure.
I didn’t know about the Zappos CEO. I’m not sure if Amazon was affiliated at the beginning. I’ve been ordering from them at least ten years. I’ll check out Ecco, thanks. I’m in flip flops more than anything but need whole shoes for winter. These flip flops are really good. I can walk in them a long time. I’m not sure about now. If you don’t have much arch might not like em, great high arch support. Hawaii life guards used to wear them on the beach. They don’t get slippery when wet and dry quickly. Chaco’s sandals are great, very rugged and it’s like a tennis shoe on the bottom.
Ah flip flop for summer time. I've been having a hard time finding a good one too. They're selling those at Costco but they don't look too nice. Amazon has some nice ones but they ship directly from China and sometimes take weeks to arrive. They never last long either. If you go to the beach areas they usually sell them at the surf shops and at better deals imo
P.S This was the Zappos CEO - Tony Hsieh
On July 22, 2009, Amazon announced the acquisition of Zappos.com in a deal valued at approximately $1.2 billion
I can’t wear the cheaper shoes anymore, not enough support. I wish I could there’s some cute shoes on the market, used to very thin sole sandals and shoes. Even though OluKai is made in china it’s a really good shoe. I can’t speak for any type other than Ohana flip flops. My only complaint is after 3-5 years the sole gets slick. I save those for wearing in the house if I’m on my feet a long time. Clearly I haven’t kept up with Zappos selling.
Did the Majestic12 say anything about Buddhia and his teachings?
not sure about that, but Elizabeth Clare Prophet talked about Buddha quite a bit & it was her prayer that General Flynn took so much grief over.
I really enjoy listening to her lectures. and the 'church fathers' hated her, so that's always a positive sign🤠
https://youtu.be/WOHmenh8DsU?
Thank you for responding.
I asked Google some questions.
if drinking alcohol kills parasites and this is the answer:
Alcoholic drinks aren't generally put into the category of health food, but in some cases they might be just the cure for nasty parasites. That's according to a new study showing that fruit flies will actually seek out alcohol to kill off blood-borne parasitic wasps living within them.
What can I drink to kill parasites?
In one study, researchers found that a mixture of honey and papaya seeds cleared stools of parasites in 23 out of 30 subjects. Drink a lot of water to help flush out your system.
How do you know if you have a parasite?
Unexplained digestive problems, itchiness, anemia, muscular and joint pain, and inability to feel satisfied after even a hearty meal are some of the commonly experienced signs you may have a parasite.
Abdominal pain. Diarrhea. Nausea or vomiting. Gas or bloating. Dysentery (loose stools containing blood and mucus). Rash or itching around the rectum or vulva. Stomach pain or tenderness. Feeling tired.
Does eating kimchi kill parasites?
Studies show the probiotics present in fermented foods help block parasites and microbes from getting certain nutrients they need to survive while also boosting your natural immunity against them. (18) Eat a daily serving fermented foods like coconut kefir, sauerkraut, kimchi, or non-dairy yogurt.
❓ Question of the Day ❓
If you could have one of these items free for the rest of your life, which would you choose:
Food OR Gas
(Ulimited)
Food I believe the average person buys more food than gas. I don’t drive everyday. Also unless I fall off the wagon the only food I eat is eggs, butter, beef, occasionally chicken/pork, coffee and some dairy. The skeptic in me is thinking any lifetime supply would probably not last. I never trust “lifetime warranty” and if I won the lottery I’d get lump sum because of trust issues. Not that I play anymore.
Gas.
Because I can grow or catch my food if needed.
I can't grow or catch gasoline without expensive equipment.
Also, it is unlimited… So you could share with friends and family. or open your own gas station. 🤷♀️
NBA is scripted - but then again we’ve known that for a long time.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7C5zLGOKve/
So...If intercontinental ballistic missiles can only go an absolute maximum of 7,000 to 16,000 kilometers (9900 mi) in 2024, How did they manage to send a rocket to the moon, with enough fuel to go around the earth for the slingshot and enough for allegedly getting it into lunar orbit to scuttle the lander... and then, enough fuel for the return trip, way back in the 60s ??? Just wondering...🤔🤔🤔
Here's an interesting clip regarding The Newsmakers from 1968:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAke_z3RVU
That’s a very good point!
So, there is a thing that was on my mind throughout the past 48 hours.
The Switch Remake of Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door was released this week and there is something that kind of caused a bit of controversy:
One of the more predominate characters, named Vivian, is made to be Transgendered (male-to-female to be precise). This caused a bit of outrage that Nintendo is catering to the woke mob and the Globalist DEI agenda.
However, from what I understand, Vivian was ACTUALLY transgendered in the original Japanese version of the game that was first released on the GameCube back in the 2000's. The American localization of the game at the time removed the tranny stuffs and made Vivian a straight girl, and altered all dialogue to reflect that fact. This localization change was very well-known within the Paper Mario fanbase, although I do not recall if it was that controversial back then as it is today. It seems that the Switch remake of the game is preserving what is accurate in the Japanese version of the game back then.
I find myself very conflicted. On one hand, for seemed like forever, I get annoyed and miffed about censorship in general. I get especially annoyed about changes and alterations when translating and localizing foreign media for American markets, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Anime and Japanese Games, and ESPECIALLY if it is to inject Woke BS or to cater to leftists, like what many of these woke leftists are saying they are doing right now. Give me the original vision of the creators of the media and don't alter it for your woke politics.
On the other hand, I am not so sure if I would like to see nor tolerate anymore Woke or LGBT BS in my games, even though if it is the original intent of the makers of the game. I say this since my tolerance for such insanity was very strained and eroded in recent years from living in this clown world. In this case, I would like Vivian to be a straight girl, for it makes the story flow more naturally without LGBT distractions.
This makes me worry for future works and remakes of beloved classics Nintendo has that is still Japanese-only at the moment, like the long-rumored remake of Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War. That game has some very dark themes in its story, like the part where an evil medieval-fantasy-empire is being controlled by the fantasy-analogue of a Satanist cult and going around kidnapping children en-masse to feed to their version of Satan.
Stuff that GAW would be interested in.
'Morrnin'. Did anyone else notice that at last nights Bronx rally, Trump talked extensively about his Uncle John??? Admittedly I haven't listened to ALL his rally speeches, but this is the first time I can recall him saying anything about Uncle John.... the Uncle John who went thru Nikola Tesla's personal stuff right after he died? ....and LOTS of other stuff maybe having to do with time travel????
VERY interesting that CIC/POTUS would mention his uncle... LMK if you-all would like me to post this on the 'main' page. thanks
yes, there's definitely something otherwordley going on with time, etc. there's a Trump, Tesla Time travel video, think I saw it here earlier.
Also interesting that Trump's father paid for his brother's college education.
Yes!
Haven't listened to a rally in awhile myself, but that stuck out to me.
He also mentioned Biden "falling out of helicopters" in reference to him not being able to use stairs. Thought pedes would be all over that.
First Verse.
Luke 4:12
https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/4/Luke-4-12.html
Family member has angina and an apparently enlarged heart. Likely not from the jab--he's in his 70s. I think it's stress from being so high-strung for so long. Watching Fox News for hours a day, despite my protests, will do that to a person.
What nutrition do you recommend? I know magnesium taurate is good, from when you recommended it to me last year after my own bout with food poisoning. Would magnesium glycinate work as well?
After writing this, I saw JohnTitor17's pinned topic. Taking that to heart, give me anything in addition to that.
Glycinate is great for heart. A more severe case I would do 300mg taureate and 100mg glycinate, kal labs has powdered versions where dosing is easier
I've lowered my blood pressure with ivermictin.
I've read they use it in Africa for that purpose.
yes i've heard that too. do you have to take it daily?
I take it about every 5 days or so.
My blood pressure wasn't that bad,so maybe more often if you need to.
Did Eve really have an affair with the Devil and the product was Caine?
Nope. Well yes and no.
This is how I understand it:
Firstly, we need to understand the relation between the spirit and the flesh. Human beings, created as God's children, have a spirit (which is incorporeal, comprised of elements of the spiritual world) and a body (which is corporeal, comprised of the elements of the material world). Angels, however, are created with only an incorporeal body, aka spirit.
Human beings can interact with Angels because we have spirit. We can interact with the created material universe, because we have flesh. God created human beings as a microcosm of the creation: both spirit and flesh.
Adam and Eve could freely interact with Lucifer, an Archangel, because unfallen and pure, they had no impediments to spiritual communication. This is why they could also freely talk with God the Creator.
But prior to the creation of Adam and Eve, the archangels were at the complete top of the hierarchy of love, they receive God's love more than any other creature. They were the conduit for God's love and commands to the entire angelic world. After Adam was created, with both spirit and flesh, Lucifer felt jealous, thinking Adam was now the top dog, the most beloved of God.
That jealous feeling in Lucifer started to grow, and clouded his judgment. He thought he knew everything, and thought his evaluation that he should still be at the top was correct (it wasn't). He began to feel more distant from God, and slowly felt a lack of love. Then, seeing Eve, who as God's precious daughter was pure and beautiful, Lucifer felt powerfully attracted by her love.
Over time, they engaged more and more, and Lucifer began to tell lies to Eve, eventually seducing her to "eat the fruit".
What is the fruit? The fruit of a tree is that part of the tree where the seed for the next generation resides until it is planted. Here, the "fruit' of the tree symbolizes the love of Eve. When Lucifer tempted Eve to 'eat the fruit' he seduced her into a spiritual sexual relationship. is that possible? yes. The spirit is the model for the flesh. So spiritually, humans and angels have the same normal makeup we see in the flesh.
So while the union between Eve and Lucifer was sexual (love) in nature, it was not material, only spiritual.
But when Even then went to Adam, and tempted him, Eve and Adam "ate the fruit' by uniting in sexual love physically.
These are the two stages by which humanity fell and came under Satan's dominion. First, the 'spiritual fall' and then the 'material fall'.
What about Cain and Abel?
Well, as soon as Adam and Eve fell, God began work to restore them back. This meant reversing the fall. But how could he relate to Adam? God is only good, and Adam was now a mixture of Good and Evil, his good nature originally from God but now he had inherited evil nature from Lucifer, who had become Satan, via the relationship that Eve and then Adam had with Lucifer.
In order to relate to Adam, God symbolically divided Adam into symbolic (or relative) evil and symbolic (relative) good. Cain, the elder, represented the first fall, the one between Lucifer and Eve. That was more evil, because Lucifer was NEVER meant to be Eve's love partner. Abel, the younger, represented the second fall, which although evil, was relatively less evil because Adam was originally created to be Eve's love partner.
So God had Cain and Abel both make an offering, but he could accept Abel's because Abel represented relative good. He rejected Cain's because Cain represented relative evil.
Then, after the offerings, if Cain could humble himself to Abel, and acknowledge that Abel had God's favor, and then ask Abel to intervene for him to God, Cain would have done exactly what Lucifer was unable to do towards Adam. By Cain being humble to Abel, this would reverse the actions of Lucifer being arrogant and instead destroying Adam by tempting Eve.
Gen 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you refuse to do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires you, but you must master it.
What was it for Cain to "do what is right"? It was to, from the position of relative Evil, do the opposite of what Lucifer did, and humble himself to the one that God favored: Abel.
So, in conclusion, Eve's love and sexual relationship (in spirit) with Lucifer could not bear children, because Lucifer had no flesh. However, because Adam and Eve became love partners not under God's blessing, but via Lucifer's temptation, they became the 'children' of Lucifer, and all humanity thus became the lineage of Satan.
This is the reason why everyone must be reborn through Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Because we are born into the fallen lineage of Adam and Eve, aka Satan's lineage. This is exactly why we must "be adopted" into God's family.
Adam should have been the one who started God's family on the earth, by resisting temptation, and then after perfecting himself in faith, united with Eve under God's blessing. But he failed, and so Christ had to come as the 2nd Adam, to become the ancestor of God's family. To join that family, we must believe in Jesus and be reborn through the holy spirit.
Romans 8:23 Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
But here is the thing. Because the Fall took place in two stages - spiritual and then material - likewise, salvation (restoration) comes in two stages: We receive spiritual salvation through faith in Jesus and the Cross, and being reborn in the holy spirit BUT our flesh is still under Satan's claim.
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I serve the law of God, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
This is why the Second Coming is necessary. Christ at the first coming accomplished spiritual salvation (rebirth to God's lineage, spiritually) but had to pay the price of his flesh to accomplish this (the cross). The second coming is to complete the process, and restore our flesh as well as spirit, so that humanity is reborn both spiritual AND physically into God's lineage and out of Satan's dominion.
Until the second coming, everyone is born as an offspring of Satanic roots. But, the framework of Elder brother - Younger brother is continually used in God's providence to reverse the effects of the Fall and build god's foundation. Cain-Abel, Isaac-Ishmael, Esau-Jacob, Ephraim-Manesseh, etc.
The product of the relationship between Eve and Lucifer was the fallen spiritual lineage. The product of the relationship between Eve and Adam cemented that spiritual lineage in to human flesh.
Hope that helps.
Edit: addendum: Even though Lucifer felt jealous and his judgment became clouded, this would NOT be a problem if Eve and Adam kept faith in the commandment. So, God know that Lucifer might develop a problem, but he trusted that Adam and Eve would keep faith in his commandment not to eat the fruit, and know that if they DID keep faith, it would neutralize Lucifer's ability to fall and become Satan.
It was Eve's responsibility to believe the command and NOT respond to Lucifer (not eat the fruit)). But ultimately, it was Adam's responsibility to keep faith and NOT respond to Eve or Lucifer, either. This is another reason why Christ comes as a man: to restore Adam's failure. Christ fulfills the responsibility of man, because he is one in perfect union with God, the Word of God perfected in the Flesh.
That helps, thank you. 🤗
Soon as I read his question I was like, "iron's going to reply" in my mind
And here you are. Pretty spot on analysis. It is great because I feel even a normie Christian could get behind it without raising an eyevrow.
But his user name, who you replied to, is merkava...I bet he would have loved an even longer, crazier, fully esoteric response.
I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, and theological views are normally the object of great passion. As it should be. After all, how we understand the creator and ourselves is at the core of our identity for people of faith.
But I've been looking at this issue for most of my life, and I've found so much confirmation in scripture and in practice that this perspective is what the Bible is really trying to tell us.
The bible (OT and NT) are like the Q drops. Future proves past. There were things that the Israelites couldn't really fathom based only on what Moses shared with them. Likewise, the disciples and believers also could not understand a lot of what Jesus was trying to teach them. Even Paul acknowledged that he only understood in part, and foresaw a time in the future when all would "see face to face" and know just as Christ knows.
At some point, we need to unravel the "G-drops" that God has put into the scripture, a certain amount of it "in code" i.e. in symbolism, but also the underlying principles. It's navigating the symbolic and metaphorical with the actual and literal that is the trickiest aspect. Jesus so often used parable and metaphor, and explained quoting Isaiah:
“The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables, so that "‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding"
With regards to an underlying principle, consider the constant stories of the dynamic between elder brother and younger brother, where the elder has to humble himself to serve the younger. When you consider all of providential history as the history of unwinding or reversing what happened in the Garden, the scripture is illuminated in a completely different way.
Example. Mary. Mary was unwed when she conceived Jesus. How does this make sense? By Jewish law, she should have been stoned to death for adultery. So when Mary says "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord, let it be with me according to your word" she was actually putting her life on the line. She risked her life to unite with God and believe in his word to her. This is the opposite of Eve, who risked her life to unite with Lucifer, and disbelieve God.
The purification of the womb leading up to Mary is an amazing aspect of OT history. (Jacob and Esau wrestled in the womb. Why? The fight between elder (cain) and younger (abel) had to go back and back finally into the womb, where the fallen lineage took root, to reverse the origins. There are other stories in the OT that indicate this reversal of the fall (Lucifer - elder - Adam - younger) in the lineage of Jesus.
Jesus' birth was not just a magical miracle without reason or foundation. It was a miracle that God created over millenia, in the history of Israel, until finally he could send Christ in a purified womb that Lucifer had no claim over.
I know some of the ideas come out of the blue for many believers, but if scripture was plain and straight forward and easy to grasp, there would not be so much division amidst the Christian community. Denominations, and hundreds of theological divisions exist because the "G-drops" have not yet made themselves apparent.
But as evil crumbles and the Great Awakening proceeds, I believe that Christianity will be revived to a much more alive state and we'll begin to realize that for millenia, we've been waiting for this time.
Excellent analysis. Thank you for that, fren. I learned something today.
I haven't been able to convince myself that sexual act is the temptation that Satan got Adam and Eve to indulge in, because God already blessed his creations with "Go forth and multiply" and you cannot multiply without sex.
I strongly believe that the Original Sin is the sex with the Devil, and Sin refers to the contamination of the blood line because of this. This bloodline is the origin of the 13 blood lines that control the "Cabal" and is the root cause of all our suffering.
What Jesus taught us was to overcome this "Sin" of the bloodline - by showing the reason why this bloodline is evil - by exposing for instance how they use usury to enslave people. If you accept Jesus as your saviour and Lord and follow his teachings, you will effectively free yourself from the shackles of the "bloodlines" (Cabal).
There is a lot of other evidence that we can bring to bear to the idea that Lucifer tempted Eve into a sexual union.
One aspect is to run an analysis on the fruit itself: was it a literal fruit? Symbolic?
Another is an examination of the trees in the garden, the Tree of Life and the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What might they symbolize?
Another aspect is the idea of why on earth God would put the fruit in the Garden in the first place.
Then you have the historical reality, of how sex, which should be the most holy and previous act, became so degraded and has been used by evil to corrupt people for millenia.
The metaphor of 'eating' as used in the books of Solomon, etc.
There is a lot more, as well, because it is really only in an overall comprehensive interpretation of scripture that this interpretation makes sense.
On another note, the blessing that God gave Adam, to 1) be fruitful 2) multiply and 3) subdue the earth and establish governance over it is a formula encoding the blueprint by which Adam (and humanity) should fulfill the purpose of creation.
When is a tree 'fruitful'? When it is mature. What is fruit God is referring to? It is the maturing of love, the capacity to love as God loves. So the 1t blessing can be seen as first of all, maturing to become "perfect as your heavenly father is perfect". Second, multiply. If a man perfected in God's love were to unite with a woman perfected in God's love and form a family, the children would already be born with a direct and full connection to God's love, as god would be 100% present in the act of sexual union. Such a family, multiplied through a clan, society, to form nations and the world, would be true family under God. The third blessing is to then engage with the creation from the position of being completed united with God's love, loving and caring for creation with God's heart.
The idea of the fall as the sexual union begins to take more significance in that it was engaged 'out of the proper order'. In other words, neither Adam nor Eve grew to complete maturity and oneness with God, because the period for them to do this required their unchanging faith in the commandment "not to eat the fruit'.
If they fulfilled the first blessing, then the need for the commandment would have evaporated when God blessed them as man and wife to engage in sexual union and form a family under his blessing.
There is no record in scripture of God ever blessing the union of Adam and Eve. in fact, they produced offspring outside of the Garden, AFTER they fell.
All that said, I strongly agree that the issue of bloodlines and lineage and the spiritual dimensions of these is key to the entire providence of salvation.
Anything in the scripture that gives a direct hint that God expected or was waiting for or made anything conditional on Adam and Eve "maturing" in any particular way? Nothing comes to my mind ...
Good question. Well, there are a few elements here, I think.
Firstly, ultimately, we need to grasp that truth has both an internal dimension and an external dimension, just like the cosmos and just like the human being. Religious pursuit (i.e. via scripture and teachings) is how God has been revealing internal (spiritual) truth, and science research is how God has been revealing external (material) truth.
Today we live in a situation where the external truth has been revealed to an off-the-charts level. Whereas our last significant spiritual update was 2000 years ago.
So, in fathoming the truth behind scripture, we also have to apply some of our external knowledge and understanding, including logic.
Looking at every single living creature that God created, every single thing grows to maturity through a growth process that takes time. Everything. And by and large everything follows a pattern: being conceived (or sprouting, eg), developing rudimentary and basic functions, a flourish of growth, then a maturing or ripening, leading to full completion of the growth cycle.
When we consider this, it is completely logical to posit that God created Adam and Eve to grow from being born, through basic development (childhood), growth spurt, then maturing to full adulthood (just like Jesus).
When the scripture says God created or shaped Adam from the dust of the earth, then breathed the spirit into him, its easy to understand this as a metaphorical description of God creating, over time, the human form, and then, at the right time, breathing His spirit into it.
The idea here is that Adam and Eve were born and had to grow, just like every human being including Jesus. But the difference is, before Adam and Eve, no one had God's spirit. They were 'dust' (aka material without the spirit or soul).
In scripture, we also read that Jesus perfected himself through his sufferings. This is direct evidence that although Jesus was born sinless, he was not born 'perfect' or fully mature, [perfected here meaning the development process being fully complete. Jesus himself had to grow and mature physically, but also spiritually, we find.
Also, the fact that Adam and Eve could fall (death meaning becoming separated from God and outside of the realm of God's lifegiving governance) directly implies that they were immature and not complete. If someone who was complete and perfected, aka perfectly good, could fall, this implies God himself could fall, and this we know is impossible.
The fact that they fell and were given guidance meant to deter them from making a fatal mistake shows that they were immature, still capable of deviating from the path of truth.
So in this case, I think that application of logic and understanding of God's entire created world helps us to decipher the meaning behind the symbols and story in Genesis. The scripture itself, however, is very rudimentary, and the fact that the meaning of the Eden story and the 'fruit' has been argued and debated and led to some strange interpretations (it was an apply! No, it was a pineapple!) over millenia is evidence that we have needed to mature ourselves (internally and externally) to get to the point where we could grasp its real significance. I mean, that's my opinion.
We can see from the entire universe that God's own nature has a mathematical aspect to it. The beauty and harmony of mathematics is an expression of God's own harmonious nature.
Another aspect about God expecting or waiting on a level of maturity can be seen in the fact that the providence of salvation has taken time. Why did God wait 2 thousand biblical years before calling Abraham? Why did God wait 2000 years after Abraham before sending Jesus? Logically, we can understand that there is some process that involves time here.
Sometimes I think that the Q drops themselves are almost a symbolic version of scripture. in Scripture, God has made 'drops' that indicate a much larger overall 'map' but sometimes it is only understood later (future proves past), or after certain events have happened.
for me, personally, considering the overall nature of providence as revealed through scripture, I find the view that Adam and Eve fell during a period of immaturity to make the most sense.